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14:00
But maybe I will go and pick Socratic. Since I never ask Questions :D
@janw That line of upvotes is hilarious!
@Scratte That reminds me that some times I might misspell your username as Socrate :)
@AnnZen sorry, but we rather keep one-boxed images out of our transcript, as per our FAQ rule 6: socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-oneboxes I'm noving that message to /deb/null shortly
waffles™
14:04
and rule 7 for that matter
Hmmm... I mentioned waffles again, so the @ElectionBot should show up... :)
@Vega Unfortunately I cannot live up to that :) I would be a disservice to the Socrate :) But I'm not fuzzed about misspellings of my username of any use of pronoun. The english site is Socrates
@rene Sorry, I didn't expect the link to expand like that*
@janw But you get to keep the badge. :)
14:08
@AnnZen if a one-box shows up by mistake, you can allways edit it, pre-pending some text
@AnnZen yes, that is a "feature". If you make a habit to always have some text with the url, you should be fine. Something like "See this image: [link to image]" will work.
@AnnZen Unfortunately, at least from this room's point of view, if the only thing you have in your message is a URL, then the system may turn it into a onebox (depends on the URL). To prevent that, you can add any additional non-space text, even just a ..
@Makyen Okay.
@Vickel Okay.
@Makyen Is that 2 dots?
@Makyen Yeah, seems like :)
14:10
@rene It's a . in code format and a period to end the sentence. :)
@Machavity :D
@AnnZen Put a character before the link or image and it won't onebox. I'd link you to something but there's a bug with that
@janw You always get to keep a badge that you got. Unless for some reason the system does a recalculation.
Oh hey, I hit my limit o_O
@Makyen that is ... very clear at first sight.
14:12
@Machavity Okay.
@Tschallacka which one?
The number of votes I have to close stuff heh
Nice!
@Scratte Yeah, read about it somewhere a few days ago. IIRC they are only revoked when someone gets them by abusing the system
Yeah, badges are generally permanent unless there's something they fix
14:21
@Tschallacka position 3612: heather-eggnog.glitch.me/?userid=1356107 you're getting there ...
Review queue's are depressing
true that
Whoa. The top reviewer almost has 99k reviews o.O
Hey I want a text file in x language.
@Tschallacka Why?
14:23
@Tschallacka Try Help and Improvement sometime. It will make you feel better about all the other queues
LOL
Is there a queue where flags are utilized?
Still got 27 of those thingies
Go hit up NATO, you can use some NAA flags
Or jump into SOBotics and flag some NAAs
Can't really think of a better room to post this in, I came across a strange post. A question was asked a few days ago, and then edited to ask something completely different a few minutes ago. A minute after that edit, someone adds a bounty. Is it justified to be suspicious about this? stackoverflow.com/questions/62853449/…
14:25
@IanCampbell Get your Late Answers badge first
@ShanS Uhm... yeah, that needs a mod flag. That's definitely not OK
@ShanS Looks indeed suspicious. I'd cast a custom mod flag
I'm out of flags unfortunately
This is embarrassing. I've only reviewed 8 tasks. I had forgotten it exists.
Especially since the second version of the question is either off-topic as a tool recommendation or too broad depending on how you interpret it.
yeah, and then we have that deleted answer
14:29
I mod flagged it. The question and the reason for the bounty are off-topic so it's likely the bounty will be refunded and the question closed (or rolled back)
@ShanS @Machavity I also just left a moderator flag.
@Machavity you did mention the bounty was started by the OP of the deleted answer?
@rene I missed that one, but the other reasoning should get it to the right place
Okay
I'm trying to get you sharp for your mod tasks in 6 to 8 days ;)
Thanks :)
14:32
Yeah, hopefully you can clear this flag yourself :)
Hmmh, now i'm out of downvotes too
14:48
@Tschallacka Welcome to user-level moderation. Your votes are appreciated. Please bring more tomorrow.
If you run out of stuff to flag there's always more chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/210133/naabot
Hmmh, should questions like this be closed, as it's caused by an issue in the package? stackoverflow.com/questions/62897303/…
@Tschallacka With what reason?
Well, if the open issue gets resolved on github, it's unlikely to be helpful to future readers
@Tschallacka then the answer can be updated
@Tschallacka I think that question is fine. Either a fix comes in or someone provides a workaround.
I'll try to remember that as a guideline :-)
14:58
@janw No.. :( They are also some disappearing when accounts are merged :(
@Tschallacka Relevant just posted answer: "I usually delete answers just saying "it's a bug in the tool/framework", linking to the issue."
yeah, I was reading that with mixed feelings as well ...
@Scratte If we are talking about badges I think you can lose them for plenty of reasons. I have taken few badges from some people through my actions
@Dharman certain badges can be lost, like tag badges
most cannot be lost, though
@Tschallacka I don't like the answer to be honest. What is the issue?.. It's forcing a click-thorugh.
@Dharman Huh? How?
15:05
Retagging questions
@Dharman That's not the sort of badges I was speaking of. I mean I have the Tenacious badge.. and on occasion I have only 5 or even only 4 zero-scored accepted answers. But I still keep my badge.. until I merge my account with a newer one and it notices I only have 4 zero-scored accepted answers, and I lose the Tenacious badge.
@Scratte once you earn such a badge it is yours even after circumstances change
e.g. if you visit on 100 consecutive days you earn a badge but then you can not visit the next and you won't lose the badge
same for badges about unanswered questions or 0-score accepted answers and more than 25% or whatever it is of your total answers
@TylerH That is just not a good example :) Because one cannot go back in time to be offline for a day :)
@TylerH I have been told that merges of two accounts forces a recalculation.
Gold tag badges are revoked if your score decreased due to deletion or voting irregularities, right?
@Scratte yes, merging accounts is a retroactive action like upvote re-evaluation
@IanCampbell yes
If you at any point no longer have at least 1000 score and 200 non-wiki answers in a tag, you will lose the gold badge for that tag
15:10
This is the meta post that states badges are recalculated and some are lost if they no longer apply: Accounts automatically merged after logging in with different credentials; lost badges and double entry in Dev Story
@IanCampbell In cases with voting irregularities, I think badges are the least of one's worries :D
Well you can't control the action of rogue users.
But I can see how it must be very annoying to lose a gold badge just because someone else kept voting for one's posts.
Are closures from undeserved hammers an issue?
@JohnDvorak not particularly
There's a data.SE query that shows reversal percentage for gold tag holders
15:14
Then let them eat cake
Other than a few users that have very low numbers of hammers, it seems like reversal rates are very low, 1-2%.
It would be good for such a query to weight the reversal rates by volume of hammer uses
Uh oh. My dataphilia is flaring up again.
Yes, that query includes the total number of hammers. And the more hammers you perform, the lower your reversal rate.
@IanCampbell Does it also take valid hammers into account, that were reversed after the post was edited?
Or easier, do you have a link to that query? ;)
15:18
@IanCampbell right, but that's not the same thing as weighting the reversal score by volume
I'm trying to find the silly query, hold on
e.g. a reversal score of 100% sounds bad but if it is based on 1 hammer, it's not really that bad, whereas a score of 13% sounds much better, but not if it is based on 5000 hammers :-)
Serious queries only!
Did I just get pinged by SD?
London Calling!
@IanCampbell I certainly hope not!
15:28
Maybe I'm just going crazy
Smokey and ElectionBot having been having some fun today in the Election Room. Maybe they're targeting potential allies?
@AdrianMole Yeah, I think they just started a new stage of their plans. SD suddenly began throwing lots of reports at us
Those reports are just distractions...
Finally! I found the query in question. Feel free to /dev/null this if it seems like targeting people: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/425986/…
@SmokeDetector The link in that post is the same as in one for which the user got blacklisted. Does it make the second post spam?
15:40
ok. Used up my close votes, my downvotes and my flags. That's a first xD
got two new badges though, so that's nice
@Tschallacka nice! \o/
How about suggested edit reviews?
Don't have the time anymore xD, I also have to do an actual job
oh wait, suggested edit? already maxed that one out
I thought about help and improvement
15:43
@Tschallacka Be careful doing that, you'll hurt yourself
It's only a wild day. Wanted those badges honestly xD
@Tschallacka Well, if you like to press "skip"... :)
vox populi and the one for max close votes
@Vega It implies there might be some affiliation. However, it's also possible that there is no affiliation and there's no cause for concern. In such situations, unless there's evidence that there is affiliation, we should assume good faith. OTOH, it's not unreasonable to leave a comment suggesting that the user might want to review the self-promotion guidelines and meta posts. I've done so on that answer.
Note that I didn't look into it all that hard, so could have easily missed evidence of affiliation.
hey wait. Comment flags are counted seperately?
That's interesting
15:46
Yes, you get an equal number for each type.
@Vega Not necessarily. As Makyen mentioned it bears more scrutiny than otherwise would, but it's not uncommon to have someone's first answer get deleted for spam and their second answer be genuine
@Makyen Yes, thank you :)
np :)
@TylerH I was just trying to be sure, thank you for the reply :)
15:51
@IanCampbell Yes, you should not post sede queries that target "Community" ;)
That community user... what a jerk, always closing my posts.
I'm out of votes. But I can yell at my monitor if it helps?
@Tschallacka That would be very much appreciated!
Apparently, answering those types of things is common in some tags. But we don't really like it in C/C++.
15:56
@AdrianMole I know it was probably meant in jest/light-heartedly, but we do not allow descriptive messages accompanying *-pls requests asking to act quickly, etc.
@TylerH Sorry. I shan't do it again.
:-)
^ Too late, anyway.
Indeed
16:23
@Andreas should be flag pls?
@Andreas Just some info, adding more NAA flags to a post doesn't help it go away any faster.
@ArghyaSadhu Forgot. Thanks.
@IanCampbell It doesn't?
Only in that NAA flags age away, but the mechanic is not like R/A or spam in that 6 NAA flags won't delete an answer.
If you really, really, feel strongly, you can ask for deletion votes or you can try to track down the Low Quality Post review task and ask for a review
@IanCampbell Had another answer I thought I'd tag with flag-pls, but somebody left a comment with a link to the VLQ review, where it already had "recommended deletion" and "deletion".
Oh, right. Now I understood. "review-pls".
If a Question is saying that their code is giving a warning and present with the code, is that ok? Or do they need to say if it's the compiler or IDE that is giving the warning?
I ran their code, and I am not getting the warning they say they're getting..
16:31
@Scratte You could be using different compilers. GCC and Clang sometimes differ very much in the message.
@Andreas This a java Question :)
@Scratte Different IDEs, maybe?
@Andreas Those links have many functions, but one of them is that you have an opportunity to cast your recommendation.
@Andreas So.. basically you are saying that they need to include this information for the Question to be answerable?
@Scratte Could be a bug in the IDE or JVM. I was just about to see if you'd left a comment on the post, so I could see for myself.
16:37
@Andreas This is the post
@Scratte Aha. Already found it. ;) IntelliJ, at least, has a list of things to warn about. Some are enabled by default, while others are not. Maybe this user has one of those for "closing resources" enabled, and you don't? Their warning is valid, though.
@Andreas No it's not.. one should never close a scanner on system.in.
Well, it's valid, but I would just suppress it.
@Scratte No, you shouldn't close a Scanner on System.in, but the compiler is probably warning on every use of a Closable class instance that isn't closed.
Ok, but what you are saying is that you have from the message, found out that they are using a particular IDE :) But it is reasonable to not flag the Question then?
@Scratte No, I wouldn't flag it. I left an answer, too.
16:45
@Andreas Fair enough :)
16:57
@IanCampbell I need 2000 reputation first. Anyway.
Ah, right. Forgot LQP was a 2000 rep privilege.
@Machavity Needs more focus? Not off-site resource?
@Andreas That too, but closed is closed
Oki.
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17:14
@Georgy I think it's salvageable. Not a great question, but there are much worse ones around.
why on earth is that not fixed yet -_-
What should be the flag for an answer which is posted in non English?
VLQ (With an optional comment.)
NAA works as well
Does NAA work in French?
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17:19
@AdrianMole No, its worker visa got rejected
hehe
VLQ would be QTM, I guess.
Yes, lets take all those silly and confusing abbreviations that makes life extra hard on newcomers, and translate them to French, then make everyone use them.. until next week where we pick another language, until everyone just starts using "Not an answer", "Low quality posts".. :)
But E_Net4 probably likes abbreviations.
Why? E_net4 always have a long username, like " likes cookies" or " is downhaused", not " LC" or " ID" :)
@Andreas Tnx
Vive la République! N'oublie jamais la Bastille.
Non, nous ne parlons pas français.
17:50
It's a good thing we can't flag chat messages very low quality.
But today is the Fourteenth of July.
I'm looking forward to May 17th next year.
That's nice, you remembered la fête nationale, merci ! :)
I remember the first time, back in the old days. The peasants were revolting.
17:52
Google thought they'd be cute and make some fireworks appear when I searched "Bastille Day"
I also share a birthday with Napoleon Bonaparte. :-)
@AdrianMole You can take your hand out of your jacket now
15th of August is also a holiday
As it should be.
Did you know that those countries wherein one drives automobiles on the wrong right do so because of M. Bonaparte? (He was left-handed.)
I thought it was because he wanted to impose something. I didn't know he was a lefty..
17:57
Yep. So that when you pass a horseman coming the other way, your "sword hand" is ready to defend/attack.
He missed the 13th of August for a little, it's the lefties day
@AdrianMole I remember my dad explaining me about the sword, but didn't catch about the hand preference, pff...
Hi, what makes this question offtopic ? stackoverflow.com/questions/19560170/…
There's nothing mentioned like duplicate, or out of focus etc
It looks like it's asking for recommendations. The good answer maybe defies that, but the bad answer confirms it.
There are two closing reasons, the second is the equivalent of actual 'needs focus'
18:13
its simply asking convert word to pdf
people have suggested me to use html to pdf which seems simpler but it is cumbursome
if a client changes the word doc then the html has to be rewritten. It's always better to get docx to pdf
@VisheshMangla converting word to pdf is not simple.
hmm it's not, not without ms word/libreoffice/abiword
but python offers excellent template filling packages like jinja through which anyone can create a template doc and then it can be filled by that package
I 'm using python for filling the template and c# for converting to pdf due to some issues with python packages to save as pdf
@VisheshMangla Maybe Software Recommendation Stack Exchange would be a place to ask? Be sure to check their help center about what's on topic.
ok, thanks @Ian
So there are several ways to reach that goal. Going from C# to Python wouldn't have crossed my mind. That question you linked to is simply too broad. It is not a programming problem, it is a task / an assignment / a feature waiting for a coding problem to appear. Once you're there it is time to ask.
18:25
it is so then @rene.
18:47
What should be done if a question is duplicated of another but that question has a bounty that does not allow voting to close it?
@eyllanesc If it's blatantly off-topic, it might worth to mod-flag, otherwise just wait til the bounty period is over
@eyllanesc If you feel that a question with a bounty should be closed, you have two options: A) Raise a custom moderator flag and explain, asking for the bounty to be removed and the question closed; B) Wait until after the bounty is awarded and then vote to close.
@Vega thanks
@Makyen thanks
bahhhh ninja'd again, but system didn't show it. :;
19:11
If you're looking for some questions to evaluate for close-votes, we have a relatively large backlog of cv-pls requests that it would be helpful for some people to go through. It's not critical yet, but the backlog is a bit higher than we'd like, and contains a number of requests which are a bit older than we'd like.
Non-useful question for the community – stackoverflow.com/questions/62902231/…
@Enijar Why not useful?
@oguzismail it's just a typo. Argument string was passed into the function, but s (instead of string) was used. Don't think that's really helpful to a wider audience. Could be wrong though?
@AnnZen I noticed you both voted to close this question and voted to reopen it. (@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ, you voted to reopen) While I don't consider myself to be an expert at Python, that question looks like a clear typo to me (failure to indent) in both the original and current versions. Is there something I'm missing?
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ You made substantial changes to the code in both that question and the answer on that question. While your editing to both retained them as being in sync, and a similar problem is still exhibited, why the dramatic change to the code used in both?
@Makyen You're not missing anything, but I don't think it's a typo.
@Makyen, @Machavity and @Dharman good luck with election! Not sure that SO merits you as moderators.. but you have my vote so remember that before you click that "Suspend Petter NOW!" button :)
@PetterFriberg Thanks man. Appreciate your support. And I would never ban you. But Queen... :P
@PetterFriberg Thanks!
@PetterFriberg You can only vote for one ^,^
hmm well I voted for 3... I must have some special privs or lots of bots :D
19:31
@Petter wait... how did you know we have a special button reserved just for you :p
@PetterFriberg I voted for three, also. @Dharman is my first place vote
@PetterFriberg Okay, at least there'd a top.
ooh the puppy is around also.. nice to cya Jon!
@AnnZen OK. Is it something that is going to help future visitors? I'm interested to understand why you think it's not a typo (just straight interest, because I'm wanting to understand another way of looking at it). If it's not a typo, there's got to be a duplicate for such an indenting issue (if not a lot of such duplicates).
@JonClements Sorry Jon. I let that one slip
19:32
lol
@PetterFriberg it's been a little while - how you been?
I'm great, lost some interest of SO after the Shog9 story.. he was a myth for me and it pushed me away see the way SE was going
Way too vauge without any explanation of what code they tried or any example code – not useful: stackoverflow.com/questions/62902703/…
and you how is it in UK?, still a lot of pressure from COVID?
Seems like a homework question? stackoverflow.com/questions/62902741/…
19:36
@PetterFriberg it's err.... interesting...
@Makyen Okay, maybe it's a duplicate. Maybe I messed up. But I don't think it's a typo because when I just started out, I've made that mistake before.
@Enijar homework or not just evalute the question, find a dupe...
@PetterFriberg it's not a useful question for the community imo
@Makyen I think this was discussed in the election room..
@Scratte Ah, OK. I'm still a few hundred messages behind in that room, but trying to catch up.
19:38
@JonClements Italy has been doing great, still lot of rules but a serious approach to the problem, while Sweden instead seems lost... I have no idea why Sweden is being so passive.
@Makyen I think this is in the middle of the discussion. It seems to be helpful to new python developers
@Enijar try to be objective, don't consider if homework or not, just follow the normal close reasons... "not useful" is to subjective and not a close reason.
@AnnZen This CV does seem to contain a MRE. I'm curious why you think it doesn't
@PetterFriberg Okay, I understand. It's not useful becuase it's a basic algorithm that is not condusive to learning about the specific code problem outlined in the question
@Scratte OK. I'll read the transcript, but I don't see how it is not a duplicate, unless every other Python "I failed to indent properly" question ever asked on SO has been closed as a typo and deleted.
19:41
@Enijar anyway I voted to close, it's unclear exactly what he needs, whats that clicking he wants?
@PetterFriberg It seems they are asking for someone to write and share UI code...
if you have energy explain to OP how he can improve the question
@PetterFriberg okay
@Makyen I do not know python. This is the first I see of it. I also see a python gold tag user (that is also a moderator) involved in the discussion though.
just be nice... they tend to get upset when you close and downvote..
19:43
@PetterFriberg understood
and I also got a bot that monitors :D
Monitors CVs or unuseful questions?
comments..
@PetterFriberg well you should see my comment by now if your bot is real time or has a fast poll
@PetterFriberg Is that one of those that finds out if we're nice or not? (reminds me of a Christmas song)
19:48
@Enijar I was just joking (well it's true that I have a bot but it was a joke...), it pulls from SE Api.
@Scratte Exactly and it store everything in db so I can black mail you later..
@PetterFriberg Awesome. Can you even get a bad/not bad % count on a users comment? :)
All comments are bad
@Scratte no I only store bad :), but I can give you percent on "How bad"...
@JohnDvorak what makes you say that?
@Vlad Sorry, but we do not allow request for reopening posts you are involved with.
19:51
Fair enough. Removed message.
<insert generic noncommittal reply here>
@PetterFriberg I assume that when you check to see if I'm "naughty and nice", I may get something in my christmas 🎅 stocking. ..ohh, so it's only between "naughy or worse"
@Vlad Thanks. We have the rule so people can't accuse us of using the room to subvert the system.
@NathanOliver then treat it as a request for advice
@NathanOliver Yeah i can understand, thanks for explaining.
19:54
That was a part of the conclusions from the meeting
I received "Please don't hesitate to email us directly at [email protected] any time" in my email for reaching a milestone. Is the email address available to those who haven't reached the milestone?
Are they trying to sell you something? That sounds like SO.
@IanCampbell .
20:04
@AnnZen From a brief look at the Election room transcript, you appear to largely just be caught in the middle of the issue with that question. I'm sorry you ended up caught up in it.
But.. you're a top user of the month of 5/1/2020.. whatever that month is :D
@Makyen By reducing the code, I give it an MCVE.
@Scratte ISO-8601 is love, ISO-8601 is live
@Scratte But what?
A beginner could legitimately think that having out-dented code results in that code always running, and before the elif block, and after the if block, if it runs. The post author specifically mentioned that he "looked for indentation errors."
For a future visitor, it can help them resolve a "puzzling syntax error" and help them understand that you can't put code between an if and an elif block.
20:11
@AnnZen Which milestone did they email you about? I wonder if it is a recent thing... I don't think I received an email from them for any specific milestone
then again I have most emails turned off
Oops..
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ We request you not onebox links. You can inline them, or add characters before to prevent this
@Machavity Thank you for explaining.
@AnnZen Normally a month doesn't come with a date. So I'd assume they mean either May (5/2020) or January (1/2020). The month of 5/1/2020 seems strange. Also, it's not really a good way to write May 1st, since most of the world uses dd/mm/yyyy
20:14
@TylerH Top user milestone, I guess. I've had my profile very close to the top of the first page of the user week page.
I've also been on the first page for the top month user.
I turned the question's code into an MCVE, gave it an easily googable title. I think Stack Overflow could do more to accomodate Syntax Errors we take one blink at and think is a bad question because it's blindlingly obvious to us. softwareengineering.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7947/…
What's the general consensus on how to handle questions from users who are clearly new to programming; downvote, comment, close vote? If anyone could link to a meta discussion I would be interested in reading. Can't find any relevant links through search
@Enijar Not take into account the perceived knowledge that the user has about the topic he's asking about.
Evaluate post, not users.
@Braiam I mean if it's a genuinely non-useful question...
Deal with it as we deal with all questions like that ;)
20:18
I'm not referring to the user, just the content of their post
@Braiam fair enough
@Enijar There is no mainstream programming language that let's us execute code between if and elif blocks, but a new programmer might think that's possible.
@AnnZen #29 is pretty impressive for your 2nd month
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ It's fine to create a canonical, but that's usually done after consultation with other Subject Mater Experts (SME) (e.g. on Meta or in the Python room), first to see if others feel it's a good idea, then to get input on what they feel should be in it. The canonical question and answer is commonly crafted in conjunction with other SMEs, so it covers what multiple people feel is appropriate.
IMO, it was inappropriate to try to saddle this on some random user's post that was already downvoted to a score of -7, for being a typo. At an absolute minimum you needed to include edit comments that explained why you were unilaterally making substantial changes to the posts. Edit comments exist so that you can communicate such intentions to people who look at the post later, including both other users and the author of the posts.
If a Python canonical Q&A for obvious indentation problems is something that you feel would be beneficial, please begin the process of creating one, but don't just head of and do so on a whim.
@IanCampbell Where can I see that?
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ what? if expresion; then execute; elif another_expresion; then execute; fi in bash??
20:20
stackexchange.com/leagues/1/month/stackoverflow/2020-06-01 You should see your name as the first result.
@AnnZen well done
Hi @mohdmazharkhan
(of course, you may be looking for a case statement, but those require a break to stop execution of the case statement.)
@Braiam that's context specific
20:22
I want to talk with Machavity for voting purpose
It'll be easier for him to see your messages if you prefix his name with @.
@mohdmazharkhan Sounds like you're looking for the election chat
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@mohdmazharkhan He's also in that chat room, so he will get a notification if you @ notify him.
may i know what about this chat
You can visit this website: socvr.org There is an FAQ
I can't understand how this question would get an upvote: stackoverflow.com/questions/62903427/…
20:27
@IanCampbell bots...
Maybe they meant to downvote and click the wrong spot?
@IanCampbell also, that is the kind of question I was referring to in a previous question I made in this chat about how to deal with "the general consensus on dealing with users who are clearly new to programming"
how much REPUTATION i need to vote for election
> Any community member with 150 reputation may vote in the election.
20:32
@mohdmazharkhan It is better that you ask questions about the election in the other room. The other room is all about the election.
@mohdmazharkhan We do request you refrain from oneboxing links
@Scratte bizarre...here's the image rehosted
@CodyGray There's a really good local seller of that that's often at the Redwood City farmer's market...or at least, was when I used to live there. They had a bunch of different types of honey, too. I still have a bunch of it. Do you have any good sources in the Bay area?
20:50
I'm sure that if I even try to import that, I will lose an arm or a leg. Maybe that's what Jon did :)
Can room owners clear stars?
Yes
One just appeared on a cv-pls request..
@Scratte Thanks; cleared
20:56
if True: print("1")
print("2: This runs after if always, regardless of whether or not the if statement itself ran")
elif False: print("3: When this runs, it always runs after 2")
@PetterFriberg Thanks. I really appreciate.

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