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Have a doubt. If somebody takes an existing answer and modifies it slightly to make it an answer, is it flag worthy as in here stackoverflow.com/questions/62735493/…
@akrun Is the previous state better than the later state? If no, then does the flag still applies?
original answer (rbind(0, 0, 0, c(4, 8, 12, 16, 20))) was slightly modified
@Braiam I think the intention is to get some points. But, it should have been better to notify the original answer as a comment
e.g. rbind(matrix(0,nrow=3,ncol=5), c(4,8,12,16,20)) made this complicated and then suggest that it is a better answer
Eh, if it improved the answer, then it's ok in my books.
@Braiam it is made worse
01:28
Roll back then?
@Braiam I think you got confused. It is not the same author. Somebody else took the answer, changed slightly and then posted an answer
@akrun Ah, then downvote? It's obvious that it's not better than preexisting answers.
02:05
@Braiam Another post where the same person uses an existing answer and make a small change stackoverflow.com/questions/62735963/…
02:43
Yay, Linux didn't avoid the proverbial storm around words.
02:59
@Dharman Thanks, I do work hard...
 
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05:10
@Makyen I've sent you a message, if you could see that I'd appreciate it :)
 
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06:39
I’m curious if anyone had any insight regarding a rejected flag. The flag was on a review comment regarding a link-only answer, but the author had subsequently updated their answer so I flagged it as No longer needed. Any idea why it was rejected? It seems like a pretty obvious case for that flag?
(The original review comment by Chris was completely appropriate when it was made. It just doesn’t seem to provide any further value now that the answer has been fixed, and passed subsequent review.)
@JeremyCaney I blame a misclick. I would raise a custom flag, explaining the comment is obsolete now that the answer has been edited. Maybe the answer was still in the queue when the mod handled it and they considered it to be too early to be deleted.
this is the timeline: stackoverflow.com/posts/62731063/timeline not sure when your flag was declined?
06:55
Likely not a misclick, but rather a mod reviewing the comment flags in isolation, without looking at the post.
We get a fair number of flags on "possible duplicate" and automatic comments from review. Most of them are false positives, and we don't delete these comments.
This one actually was obsolete, because the answer was edited and the original comment no longer applied, but I doubt the moderator who saw the flag noticed that.
I've deleted it now, so no reason to re-flag. Just giving you an explanation of what probably happened.
Using NLN is the correct flag. If it does get declined, and you feel that decline is erroneous, just re-flag with a custom comment flag, explaining why it is no longer needed.
@JeremyCaney ^^ (cc @rene)
that is sound advice.
@CodyGray That makes sense, and I appreciate the background. I’ll follow that advice should this ever happen again. Any reason for me to be concerned about the declined flag on my record?
@karel that is old and not active. We have this rule that posts need to have been active in the last 6 to 8 months. That one is more in the 6 to 8 years range ...
@JeremyCaney No, for two reasons: (1) a small number of declined flags really don't matter, and (2) there's nothing that can be done about it either way. :-)
@rene Don't sound so surprised :-p
Heh, I only try to encourage people ...
07:08
@CodyGray Ha! Good to know. I almost never get rejected flags—thanks to some useful advice you, Rene, and Scratte gave me a few months ago—so I won’t worry about it. I appreciate your time, as always.
@JeremyCaney Absolutely; no worries. Far too many people obsess over a handful of declined flags. It's only a problem when you're having a large number of flags declined.
Argh!.. Feature-request: Put a button to lock a review, so that one doesn't waste ones time by losing it to another reviewer while trying to properly review a post.
I thought that reviews implicitly locked for a certain period of time while someone was looking at them.
@rene I think that makes you a very good candidate :)
@CodyGray In my case, I’m especially jumpy after a few back-to-back review suspensions back in March. I’ve done a lot of reading since and believe I’ve learned from my mistakes. But it has definitely gotten me in the habit of scrutinizing any failed audits or rejected flags. I’ll be sure not to fret as much over these occasional declined flags.
07:21
@CodyGray It does. But not enough time for me :( I spent 15 min on a review apparently.. I wold have liked to have a button that goes green (it's locked), yellow (about to be unlocked) <-- click to make green again, and red (unlocked) <-- someone elses now.
@Scratte Did you stop to make a sandwich?
!!/sandwich
@CodyGray No such command 'sandwich'.
@CodyGray No. I searched for Oracle documentation on a datatype (10 minutes). Then I tried to run their code (5 minutes). Then I wrote a explanation for things the poster should improve on their post, and that their Question is lacking particular details..
@Scratte this happens to me too on occasion—and especially for late answers on chatty threads where I check to see if the same answer has been given. (I don’t flag repeats unless they’re obviously plagiarized, but I do like to remind contributors to review existing answers before submitting a new one in that case.)
@JeremyCaney Yes, always when I check to see and compare with other answers and/or search for plagiarized originals, do I hit this limit. Now.. I'm selfish, and just hit Skip :( The system shouldn't make people selfish like that.
07:34
@Scratte I certainly skip them as well if I’m short on time, and there are a lot of existing answers. As an aside, that’s one of the few contributions that really get under my skin. I am sympathetic to new contributors posting questions or comments as answers, and try to give constructive feedback so they can learn the ropes and better understand Stack Overflow. But leaving answers with the same guidance as, especially, an accepted answer, but with less care and detail feels exceptionally lazy.
@JeremyCaney What do you mean by "But leaving answers with the same guidance as, especially, an accepted answer"? A reviewer ansering the Question in a comment?
 
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08:38
Is this an Answer?
@Scratte Oh, no, I just mean contributors posting answers that provide the same basic answer as the accepted answer, but with far less detail.
@JeremyCaney Oh. I think I used to just comment on those. Depending on the user, their Answer sometimes just went missing.
If they provide an identical subset of another answer, I think I flagged them NAA too.
@Scratte As for your above question, I have trouble with those types of answers, too. Where it’s a question, combined with a suggestion. I normally skip those, but am also curious what the guidance is.
@JeremyCaney They drive me nuts, to be honest. Half a question / half an answer :) I think some users just edit out the question part.
But then I saw the Question. Isn't that too broad and opinion based?
09:07
There's noway to undo an edit and take a Question out of the re-open for a reset, right?
@Scratte No
Even if you edit out the question part, you're left with an extremely low-quality guess.
I noticed the Question went missing. I'm guessing magic happened :)
Does the "Please avoid extended discussions in comments. Would you like to automatically move this discussion to chat?" make for an auto-flag, or does one have to comment after seeing that to invoke the flag?
09:41
@Scratte The auto-flag is for 25 or more comments. It's unrelated to the prompt that appears.
09:59
@bad_coder What feedback are you looking for?
(We don't answer questions here - we curate them. It does look to be too brief to be on-topic though, if that is what you are getting at.)
@halfer I would guess that's a duplicate for sure...I came across the answer on the VLQ...Someone knowing may want to DV for the Roomba, or mark as duplicate, or both...
10:34
What's the policy on transcribing code, like in this edit?
^ never mind..
11:20
^ s/class/method
11:37
@HovercraftFullOfEels Are you sure? Even though it technically has no MVCE, it's been answered and is findable. Are you sure it cannot be useful?
It also requires 20k+ rep still.
@JohnDvorak: the issue for me is that the OP seems to have testable code in a link, but still declines to post it in the question, degrading the quality and utility of the question
@HovercraftFullOfEels Presumably someone else than the OP making the edit would be legally dubious?
@JohnDvorak If the author refuses to edit their post and it needs to have added code to be on topic, then I can't see how to salvage it.
I feel the OP might be possible to convince with words though.
11:45
Seeing the score, I'm thinking it's unlikely.
How much of this score is the result of HFOH's assessment of the situation here though? ;)
HFOH? :)
Hovercraft's
(what's the preferred short version?)
@JohnDvorak Tim :p
Ohh.. I though that would have been HFOE ;) But I cannot say, since I'm late to the party. I noticed that two different users have asked them to include the code.
11:48
Wouldn't that be ... confusing to onlookers? :P
Oh... right. Eels, not heels. Sorry.
@JohnDvorak no more than stuff about swallows? :p
But in all un-seriousness, it's a disservice to the username to shorten it. I just @-mention them and remove the @ after the tab-completion and voilá: HovercraftFullOfEels :)
I'll be honest here. I've never actually watched Monty Python.
I haven't seen it either. I'm blissfully ignorant and under the impression that the username is just really inventive and took a long time in it's creative process ;)
Just Tim seems fine :)
11:53
It probably is, just not inventive of the bearer but of the referent ;)
@JohnDvorak Checking the timeline, it already got -6 before it was mentioned here.
lol! I thought their avatar was a picture of themself.. :)
@JohnDvorak Slippery, snake-like fish-infested boat that doesn't quite fly properly.
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Q: Burninate [data-processing]

janwThe data-processing tag currently has 613 questions over a wide range of topics, e.g. How to smooth a curve in the right way? Ways to read only select columns from a file into R? (A happy medium between `read.table` and `scan`?) Lua vs Embedded Lisp and potential other candidates. for set based ...

12:15
Question: if I follow a post, then the post gets deleted (say, by OP), edited while deleted, and then undeleted, would I get an notification?
I know editing deleted posts doesn't produce notifications, and I think undeleting itself doesn't. I wonder if undeleting an edited post does, however.
@VLAZ I think.. no one knows this. Not even the developers :D
@VLAZ could always try it? :p (although my guess is most likely not...)
@JonClements Hmm, yes. I'd need a volunteer, however.
I don't mind delete a post, editing it, and undeleing it.
12:19
Cool, can you post in the sandbox thread?
The what?
Does follow work on meta? (I was just going to pick any one of my answers)
@Scratte it's this one
and follow does work on Meta
@VLAZ It's that doing the post a disservice? I don't have a snippet
12:24
I'm not aware of another sandbox. Well, there is one on MSE, if you wish
My aim is for you (or anybody) to post something, I follow it, and we see what happens if it's deleted -> edited -> undeleted.
Or I can post, that's also fine
I've got a few answers I can temporarily delete, edit, then undelete on main...
@JonClements thanks, I followed that
okay... so deleted/waited a little bit/edited/waited a little bit/undeleted...
I got a notification!
/me faints with shock...
12:32
Good, thank you for your participation :)
I tend to follow posts I downvote with the hopes they get better. I was wondering if I was missing notifications for some of those.
Well...turns out I didn't miss anything - they are just not being updated almost ever...
which is a little disappointing, but hey, a feature actually works! :p
@JonClements Furthermore, they've fixed the bug that prevented unfollowing a deleted post. Where will it all end?
It's almost like a miracle... maybe I should go find some posts about it to click the prayer button on... :p
Are they still there?
Is what still there? It's not a thing... it doesn't exist... it's just a bad dream... lalalalalala lalalalalal... :p
12:58
@JonClements I've found that uBlock is an effective dream catcher.. :)
@Vega wow... nearly 11 years old - how'd you happen across that one?
It was SD report. But, but... you just deleted the answer
The mod plays innocent. That is a new one .... ;)
Well played, I believed :)
Oh weird... not sure how that happened... I generally end up closing questions with answers like that while I'm there... must be the after effects of fainting when finding out the follow feature did something that was expected :p
13:10
Do you still wiggle your tail while fainted?
How would I know!?
Oh.. I see. No friends, huh? Sorry :)
@Scratte why you make puppy sad
my awesome cuteness is obviously too much for some people to handle... what can I say... it's both a blessing and a curse... cough cough cough cough cough
We should put in a Feature Request for a "Friends with..." something or other on SO. Like they have on FarceBook. {runs away hastily...}
13:18
@Mithical they're still picking on me... tell 'em off some more :p
I would, but I've come to the conclusion that I'm not actually very imposing and that me telling people off is not very effective
Yes.. that was really bad. I've hidden bones in the yard.. if you want, you can go and dig them up :)
@Mithical hey... it's the thought that counts I guess!
@Scratte thanks, but think I'm okay... there's plenty of bones under the patio from people that were mean to me to play with later...
@Mithical Not true :) I just tried to make puppy feel better.. even if it didn't work. And I may find some of my own bones under that patio
aha, wonderful... I think
13:23
@Scratte nah... don't worry - you're perfectly safe... I'm out of room until I extend the patio... :p
What about a baby-pool for you to play in with a hose that you can snap at too? :)
now you're talking... bring it on!!!!!!
...a sprinkler that moves back and forth and goes on an off for extra surprise? :)
awww... happy puppy...
Ooo... < 30 hours for nominations...
@Scratte Perhaps don't talk too much about the sprinkler ... we don't know if the puppy has been house-trained, yet. ;P
13:31
I see you don't feel attached to your bones ;)
🎵 🎵 Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones... 🎵
13:58
Was that answer self-deleted?
@Scratte No. Three community votes. (A fuzzy flower, "Tim" and one other.)
you're welcome.
Ok. Thanks :) I was afraid I had made another puppy sad.
 
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15:04
this tag is a nightmare
Python?
Trigonometry? I hate that stuff too
@JohnDvorak yes. Everything gets at least an upvote
@ RO I've retracted my flag of my last , as OP added context, pls bin my request here too, thanks
@Vickel Do us a favor and actually pick an RO to ping in the future. I noticed, but many of us merely idle (especially on Sundays) so it's easy to miss
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Q: It's too late for first [impressions]

Machavityimpressions - 66 questions Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? In most cases, we're talking about advertising impressions, although I have no idea why this question uses the tag Is the concept described even on-topic for the site? Most...

@Machavity ok I will, np
16:12
When you close as duplicate, does the top answer of the duplicate target automatically receive a thanks-reaction by you?
@user4642212 What? That'd be crazy. Have a link to the target?
@IanCampbell I’ve removed those thanks-reacts already. Maybe it only happens when the OP clicks “Yes, this answers my question”.
@user4642212 Now that I think about it, I did find a thanks reaction that I didn't think I put on a post either yesterday or the day before. I figured I accidentally clicked without noticing. I wonder if it could actually be this issue.
That would be hella weird, if this is true. "See, even power-users use the reactions feature. Lets keep this!"
starts looking for a duplicate question to verify
16:36
@janw Please post it here, so we can all see it in action :)
@Scratte I really think the OP needs to pick the “Yes” option and the question needs to have a Community close vote in the end; otherwise it doesn’t work.
The one time I am actually looking for a dupe, I don't find one...
@user4642212 Oh.. that makes it harder to see. But then who is the thanker?
@janw Same! Argh!
I know of one, that should be closed, but I don't think the author will do it.
16:49
@user4642212 I think this is the question that caused the errant thanks react: stackoverflow.com/questions/62633386/…
So it may effect deletion votes too.
This Question same in earlier, and I'm sure it has at least one vote to close at duplicate. There at no thanks on the target as of yet.
17:03
@Machavity I'd like to bin this request as the OP edited their question
A closer @-pingable when they have the only binding vote, right?
Correct, only a moderator or a gold tag holder that had no other votes
I was led astray though. It looked like an auto-thanks came in on the top answer of a dupe-closure, but I found other duplicates where there was no Thanks™
Found one where author accepted the proposal but there is no Thanks™ on the target.
@Scratte Hah, yes, that’s mine. There was a thanks that I later removed!
17:15
@user4642212 Sorry.. I'm not so good with userxxxxxxx, so I didn't recognize you! :)
I'll see if I can find another then :)
I just started putting together a SEDE query to find posts where the OP closed themselves, but it seems like those close votes are not recorded :/
Found another. There's a Thanks™ on the target from the one that proposed the duplicate. I think I'll pink the user.
We need a meta post. I really hope it isn't purposeful as janw suggested.
@Scratte Who proposed the duplicate? I cannot infer that information
@janw user called mag_zbc just above the Community♦ on the timeline.
Thank you for pinging me, because it seems they did not thank the answer on the other post.
17:23
But they did not thank? Or did I miss something?
janw is correct, neither of the thanks reacts are from mag_zbc. See stackoverflow.com/posts/59506860/…
No, you're right. They did not. I'm not going to ask them if they did now :D
@Scratte Oh, did you already ask them? Because I just asked that question: stackoverflow.com/questions/62742217/…
That's a lucky example, since the user just happened to have a visible comment so you could ping them.
@user4642212 No. I stopped while writing, because I noticed there is no thanks from them. I just saw your comment though. Maybe you still have time to remove it before they ask you about it :)
17:26
There's no way to know if they noticed it and removed it themselves. I think it's still a valid question.
That is correct. Lets see how it goes then :)
If would be so much easier if the timeline didn't change and had both thanks and un-thanks :D
@Scratte What do you mean? There are two “thanks” on this answer; how do you determine that none of them was by mag_zbc?
The timeline has a list of everyone who thanked. stackoverflow.com/posts/59506860/…
Ah, the timeline!!!
🤦‍♂️
@user4642212 But IanCampbell has a valid point.. perhaps they did notice and removed it, like you did.
17:39
Two glowing reviews of an IP geolocation service: stackoverflow.com/questions/62637694/… stackoverflow.com/questions/60545597/… . Spam or coincidence?
@IanCampbell I would say spam, it does not really answer the questions
BTW, the questions those answers were posted to kinda asked for that kind of answer.
Yeah, maybe use the opportunity to close those too
I agree, if they weren't spam, they are answers. Not good ones, but answers.
The here-api one a valid question, misguided but valid.
17:46
Yes, I agree.
@IanCampbell I think if you find posts by the same user, the report can be made in the Charcoal HQ chat room. I'm not sure it gets added to smokey if they just vanish.
But I don't really know how it works there. I've just noticed that it's sort of like smokey's war-room :)
Here’s one closed as duplicate by me and Community, but no thanks-react by me: How does indexing work in a 2D array in Python?. But then again, I accidentally clicked on “thanks” when I wanted to view the timeline, so not sure if that messed something up.
18:08
Hey folks, just a general reminder that we don't discuss users. If you think a user has a pattern of bad behavior, please take it to Charcoal
Asking about specific posts is acceptable
Right, sorry
I sometimes bump up against that line myself. No worries
No worries? bwa ha ha ha ha
@Machavity We all talk about rene a lot. But of course we always use praise :)
What's the odds that all potential candidates will line up exactly at midnight? Do they usually do that, or do they come slowly during the time between the nomination and the primary?
So another mod election is coming up. Is this the first one since the Monica issue? I think so
19:09
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter yes, it is. You can tell if you look at the Mod QA meta post.
@rene: then it will be interesting to watch
it certainly will be
@rene: thanks. I hadn't seen that discussion thread, but have now found it and will certainly look through it. I'm certainly not running, but again, it will be interesting.
@Scratte SO is a 24/7 site so candidates probably show up at a time that is convenient for them. While nominating early does have some advantage, waiting a bit after the first hype is over is a strategy I would prefer. And on some election we had late, very late nominations.
Seems complicated. Did they win though?
Silly me. It says to on the page.. Seems there is no rule :)
19:42
^ what to do there? Edit in the comment?
20:36
Would this be considered as rude ""We have to assume that you, at the very least, googled your title. Please show us your attempts and where you failed. Thanks"". I meant that you can say a lot of things bad and in end, say God bless
@akrun I saw that one. I don't think it's that rude.
That's not rude
Maybe a small bit unkind
@IanCampbell In the past, he did commented more than that, but afterwards ended with "Thanks".
It's not rude. The commenter is asking for additional details after stating their assumption.
20:47
@Dharman I would have asked "Could you please add more information etc" or "these are the links where you could find the solution. Thanks". Instead of "at the very least, googled your title."
@akrun If you feel that you can word it better than add your own comment and flag the other one as not longer needed.
@Dharman It is not only my point. There is another guy who responded to the message with "given the clarity and specificity of the question, I think it is safe to assume OP has googled and found some text mining packages. However, s/he most probably is asking for a package that is specialized for this purpose. I wouldn't be so harsh on OP."
@Dharman I thought the new direction from SO is to be respectful in comments
If there is more to the conversation can you share a link to the comment?
Yeah, I don't see anything rude there.
This is unkind: "Ohh come on you idiot. You should Google it first before asking here. This is a waste of my time". This is rude: "F*** you, you lazy *****"
20:55
Honestly, I upvoted the comment when I saw it (which is how it appears currently). I thought it was reasonable to ask the OP to show what code they have tried thus far, even if it could be interpreted as curt. I would have personally worded it differently, but I didn't think it was rude.
@Dharman Let me try a different version "Ohh come on. You should have Googled it first. This is a waste of my time. You are being lazy. God bless you". I removed some of the words. My question is whether only using curse words gets somebody in trouble or the message
Here, I intentionally added some sentence pacifiers to modulate the message so that it won't appear as bad but if we split the sentence without the last one, it may appear as rude
@akrun I'd say that counts as "unkind" and would fall under the second flag option (what was previously known as "not constructive"). It's berating the OP and being disrespectful. It's got a bit of a nasty tone. And tone is extremely important.
@Mithical So, should we rename the "second flag option" text to, "It's not warm and fluffy?"
"You should have Googled it first" is an accusation. "This is a waste of my time" is passive aggressiveness. "You are being lazy" is an ad hominem attack.
@AdrianMole No. You don't have to coddle someone but there's no call for being rude either.
@akrun I would say you should classify the comment based on the perceived emotion you feel when reading it as if it was directed to you. If you feel being attacked then the topmost option in the flag dialog is probably appropriate. If you feel that the comment makes you feel humiliated then it was probably unkind. It is not about the wording, but about the tone.
21:03
It's a fine line.
That's true, it is a fine line. And some people don't appreciate what they perceive as false niceties, either. Communication is difficult and not an exact science.
yeah, it's a fine line and some of them uses the pacifier words at the end to make it look like its okay
If you are asking for more details then you are probably being respectful, though direct. You need to be clear in what you expect, but you are making a request to the user, so you must also be polite.
Also, I think there is a problem introduced implicitly with commentators who are not native English speakers, or who are from different cultures. What, in one language/culture may seem perfectly 'neutral', may be perceived as rude in others.
@AdrianMole Totally agreed
21:07
@AdrianMole Or overly polite (see the Indian English "sir" usage as an example).
@Mithical Oh, yeah! The number of posts with introductions like, "Dear beloved Overflowers..."
Overflowers? Is that what you call a group of @rene?
"You are wasting my time" is not a polite request for more details. It is an insult. "I assume you have done research before and you have tried something, could you show it to us, please. Thanks." is a useful comment because it requests the necessary information
@Mithical {shudders} The very thought of 'plural' and 'rene' in the same sentence.
shakes petals
21:10
hehe
Culture and language plays an important role. English-speaking people are generally more polite. Eastern European people are not.
It is better to create a list of sentences that should be politically correct and use them for each situation. I do understand that we are all busy and have different moods at different time which can cause to have this kind of reaction
@Dharman I'd phrase that as English-speaking people and non-English-speaking people have different standards of politeness. Saying that Eastern European folks aren't polite doesn't strike me, as well, polite. ;) On a more serious note, yes, culture makes things difficult and even native speakers will interpret things differently, so I like to keep in mind a line from the old Be Nice policy: "assume good intentions".
Not sure I can dig it out, now, but I came across a Meta post about whether or not a particular comment was rude; Martijn posted an answer (IIRC) that went along the lines of, "Yes, but say it to yourself in the accent of an old Russian and it sounds much better."
@Mithical What in our language sounds natural, translated to English sounds unkind. You misunderstood what I meant.
21:14
....thus illustrating the point? :)
("assume good intentions" is a good rule of thumb. It has its limits - you don't need to assume good intent if it is absolutely clear that it's not - but as general guidance it's sound advice. Interpret things charitably to a reasonable extent, help gloss over culture differences, and be mindful of what you say - you can always personally make an attempt to communicate well, even if other people around you aren't.)
Good intentions don't make a polite comment. "I would love to give an answer to this trash question, but I can't help if I don't see the damn code!"
@akrun Are you using the Auto Review Comments user script? It's very helpful. It also automatically includes "Hi Bob, welcome to Stack Overflow." if they are new. That way they can feel extra warm and fuzzy.
What this boils down to in terms of comments and being "unkind" is that you personally (general you) should strive to avoid leaving comments that are passive aggressive or otherwise disrespectful; but assume good faith to a reasonable degree when reading and responding to other people. "Assume the best of others, but apply strict standards to yourself" is a good method of communication if you can do that.
@IanCampbell No, i haven't used it. thanks
I used to type out Hi Bob, welcome to Stack Overflow. I was such a sucker.
21:24
@Dharman Right? Assume good intentions does not mean ignore blatant rudeness or anything. As I've been saying, it's assume good intentions when it is reasonable to do so.
@AdrianMole I'm looking forward to this meta thread.
@Dharman one thing for sure. The Polish I have met are consistently very nice people. Maybe I've been lucky, but I have the impression something in their culture tends towards being polite and gentle. I've had nothing but excellent experiences with the Polish.
@bad_coder Most people acquire local culture and courtesy with time. Fun fact: to many polish people the shocking thing after the first contact with English-speaking culture is that you say Hi and Sorry so much. Why are you being so insincere to us?
@Dharman I didn't fully understand the connection with the last sentence, that saying "hi" and "sorry" a lot (the way English speakers do it) causes the impression of insincerity to a person of Polish culture? (Did I understand that right?)
(And trust me, I'm not a native English speaker, there are a ton of things that I find remarkable and awkward in their way of speaking and being.)
Yes, that is what I meant
The culture slowly shifts. With the worker exchange in recent years, young people are bringing the western culture to east Europe. However, it is still a shock for me whenever I go there. I am used to people saying hi and sorry to me, now. I find it weird that a shopkeeper yells at me and has a facial expression which looks like he wants to kill me. For people living there, it is still the norm. That is how people are and they are not trying to be rude to you.
Should we delete this now or wait for Roomba? stackoverflow.com/q/62744953/1839439
21:50
@Dharman that's a really good description. That conceptual (stereotypical) shopkeeper, he's from Eastern Europe?
@Dharman I think we let roomba do it. Otherwise that poster will be very sad.
@Dharman ok, it's said "ethnic/national stereotypes" are best avoided on SO...But, SOCVR is an exception, since regulars here do get to know each other. However, we need to be careful because anything can be taken out-of-context and misinterpreted.
That is a valid point, @bad_coder. Even when the culture talked about is my own culture and I was only describing my past experiences.
@akrun I think the "Thanks!" in the end is rude. It's probably not flagable rude, but I find it to be expressing that I already did what they want me to do, and it annoys me :) Like "Add the error as text. Thanks!" <-- Just don't put in the Thanks! :)
21:54
@Dharman What you said are some of the "idiossincracies" that do effectively characterize other cultures on a very broad level. And those become especially enhanced and significant if we're living abroad or faced with different cultures. I do not, personally, have any problem talking about those characteristics, because they are true to some extent and very noteworthy.
@Dharman So I'll join you...I've never understood what I would call "the Eastern European way of playing macho in a conversation".
@Scratte it is a bit difficult to say with regards to how the tone is perceived. But, I guess all of us agree that curse words are no-no. I was called at least 3 or 4 times the "idiot" word :=)
@Dharman I'd let it Roomba. Doing so gives the question OP the opportunity to edit the question into English, if they choose to do so.
@Dharman for example, I just know that if I'm in a restaurant and the waiter is Ukrainian, in that first brief conversation he'll make it clear that "he's my peer", "my equal". While normally in a restaurant, waiters have a way of deferring to the client and making themselves inconspicuous. I've never been able to understand why....
question is even if one is an idiot, can it be called?
@akrun Oh, sorry about that. I think it's also just preference. I'd rather be called an idiot than have a pre-thanks! :) Perhaps it's just reverse physiology. The Thanks! makes is appear as a nicety, but it's not, it's like an order.
@akrun No :) Not to a stranger, even if it's true :) And on a post in a comment everyone is a stranger, even if you know them, because everyone that sees the post will not know the connection.
22:00
@Dharman normally in Western Europe, there are what the US citizens call "social queues"...Like, people meet each other and give of some hints about their social status, if they've studied, if they work, their social standing...
@bad_coder You are right that we should probably avoid discussing cultures further in this room. I was only describing my culture to illustrate a point that sentences translated to English can be perceived as terse or even impolite, but they were not intented to sound like that in their original language.
@Dharman your culture. If we talk about the Polish, since you are a national citizen, there's little chance someone would accuse you of being incorrect. Since your, after all, talking about yourself.
and yet I do not represent the whole nation
user10957435
Is there a canonical for Intellisense not working?
@Chipster Which one? Your question needs more focus
22:04
@Dharman Your name sounded more like an east indian name
@Dharman I thought you were Irish :)
user10957435
@Dharman Just in general. Common reasons that could break Intellisense in a C++ dev environment like Visual Studio.
user10957435
I'm thinking of a case where the code actually compiles and runs, just Intellisense says its wrong.
@Chipster Ok, then I am not C++ SME, but you can check if one of these suits: google.com/…
user10957435
@Dharman Okay. Thanks.
22:07
@Dharman :funny you should say that. I picked up a book by a Polish author (a woman actually) a couple of weeks ago...And that's what I'm currently reading.
@bad_coder you should try an Austrian waiter in Vienna, a local one... many make you understand that the restaurant is theirs and you are just a little nobody they allowed to sit down and will have the grace to be serves by them. At the end they make a joke, to make sure the tip is OK.
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@Vickel I think maybe it's also just personality. I've had very different experiences in my own town. One like you just mentioned (no, I didn't leave a tip) and also other ones where the waiter is very humble.
@Vickel What do you think of the Portuguese waiters?
@Scratte I've been meaning to tell you...Sometimes I'll see a live music concert in Denmark, and it's really peculiar that the entire crowd is holding up their smartphones and recording it....like, what?! Have you noticed that?
@bad_coder You'll be surprise, most are very helpful and friendly, it's in the genes of the Portuguese people to be welcoming and helpful, obviously like anywhere else you can run into someone having a bad dayd
@bad_coder No, but I don't go to concerts anymore, so I wouldn't. That is indeed very strange :)
22:21
Good genes, good genes.
@Vickel hey like maybe the Portuguese genes are like the "SO genes" all "helpful and passionate" right?! lol
I thought it was spelled "Jeans" I have a few good ones. One is a little torn.. and one is a little tight.
@E_net4ofthedownvotebrigade you can only say that once, otherwise it becomes a racist remark :)
@Scratte I'll confess my ignorance: I didn't catch that last one :|
22:24
@bad_coder pretty much :)
@Vickel hey, what does a Portuguese person do on SOCVR?
@E_net4ofthedownvotebrigade ^^ above question to you also.
@bad_coder Why, enters the downvote brigade, of course.
No wait, that's SO in general.
@E_net4ofthedownvotebrigade no that's meta :)
That's also Meta. ;)
@bad_coder "Genes" and "Jeans" have the same pronunciation.
22:26
I'm not going to lie, a lot of things have been said in the last 2 hours in this room that could look very bad taken out of context.
@Scratte how does that relate to torn and tight?! Ohh wait...now I get it :\
@IanCampbell ohhh we're in trouble
@bad_coder what's wrong with a Portuguese person being on SOCVR?
Quick, send some cv-pls and pretend nothing happened.
@Vickel well I count 3 Portuguese here...Out of, 27...That's 1 in 9...
@IanCampbell When linking to any one message, the context always appears.. except if one links to the plain test, of course.
22:30
@E_net4ofthedownvotebrigade LOL....
Taking things out of context is fun.
22:53
@E_net4ofthedownvotebrigade I don't understand. I thought you liked potatoes.
@Machavity What's wrong with it?
First sentence is OK. Second one is...
> [Sketchware] should be used if the person is using sketchware, because sketchware is limited and most of Android Java Codes don't works on it.
@Machavity Are you saying this is not a valid advice?
So I should use the tag for the software if I am using the software. Uhm...
I can see what they tried to say. They meant that if you are using this software then you should add this tag so that people know of the limitations
@Machavity After thinking about it even more, I think this was a very good excerpt. I would definitely approve it. If I saw this information in the excerpt it would prevent me removing the tag from the question. I do often remove unnecessary tags and seeing this information in the excerpt would be valuable information for me.
@Machavity I don't think you can provide code for such question. The MCVE is there already.
23:41
@Dharman It might be possible to clean it up. it looked unsalvagable to me. If you wanna submit one feel free

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