Have a doubt. If somebody takes an existing answer and modifies it slightly to make it an answer, is it flag worthy as in here stackoverflow.com/questions/62735493/…
I’m curious if anyone had any insight regarding a rejected flag. The flag was on a review comment regarding a link-only answer, but the author had subsequently updated their answer so I flagged it as No longer needed. Any idea why it was rejected? It seems like a pretty obvious case for that flag?
(The original review comment by Chris was completely appropriate when it was made. It just doesn’t seem to provide any further value now that the answer has been fixed, and passed subsequent review.)
@JeremyCaney I blame a misclick. I would raise a custom flag, explaining the comment is obsolete now that the answer has been edited. Maybe the answer was still in the queue when the mod handled it and they considered it to be too early to be deleted.
Likely not a misclick, but rather a mod reviewing the comment flags in isolation, without looking at the post.
We get a fair number of flags on "possible duplicate" and automatic comments from review. Most of them are false positives, and we don't delete these comments.
This one actually was obsolete, because the answer was edited and the original comment no longer applied, but I doubt the moderator who saw the flag noticed that.
I've deleted it now, so no reason to re-flag. Just giving you an explanation of what probably happened.
Using NLN is the correct flag. If it does get declined, and you feel that decline is erroneous, just re-flag with a custom comment flag, explaining why it is no longer needed.
@CodyGray That makes sense, and I appreciate the background. I’ll follow that advice should this ever happen again. Any reason for me to be concerned about the declined flag on my record?
@karel that is old and not active. We have this rule that posts need to have been active in the last 6 to 8 months. That one is more in the 6 to 8 years range ...
@JeremyCaney No, for two reasons: (1) a small number of declined flags really don't matter, and (2) there's nothing that can be done about it either way. :-)
@CodyGray Ha! Good to know. I almost never get rejected flags—thanks to some useful advice you, Rene, and Scratte gave me a few months ago—so I won’t worry about it. I appreciate your time, as always.
@JeremyCaney Absolutely; no worries. Far too many people obsess over a handful of declined flags. It's only a problem when you're having a large number of flags declined.
Argh!.. Feature-request: Put a button to lock a review, so that one doesn't waste ones time by losing it to another reviewer while trying to properly review a post.
@CodyGray In my case, I’m especially jumpy after a few back-to-back review suspensions back in March. I’ve done a lot of reading since and believe I’ve learned from my mistakes. But it has definitely gotten me in the habit of scrutinizing any failed audits or rejected flags. I’ll be sure not to fret as much over these occasional declined flags.
@CodyGray It does. But not enough time for me :( I spent 15 min on a review apparently.. I wold have liked to have a button that goes green (it's locked), yellow (about to be unlocked) <-- click to make green again, and red (unlocked) <-- someone elses now.
@CodyGray No. I searched for Oracle documentation on a datatype (10 minutes). Then I tried to run their code (5 minutes). Then I wrote a explanation for things the poster should improve on their post, and that their Question is lacking particular details..
@Scratte this happens to me too on occasion—and especially for late answers on chatty threads where I check to see if the same answer has been given. (I don’t flag repeats unless they’re obviously plagiarized, but I do like to remind contributors to review existing answers before submitting a new one in that case.)
@JeremyCaney Yes, always when I check to see and compare with other answers and/or search for plagiarized originals, do I hit this limit. Now.. I'm selfish, and just hit Skip :( The system shouldn't make people selfish like that.
@Scratte I certainly skip them as well if I’m short on time, and there are a lot of existing answers. As an aside, that’s one of the few contributions that really get under my skin. I am sympathetic to new contributors posting questions or comments as answers, and try to give constructive feedback so they can learn the ropes and better understand Stack Overflow. But leaving answers with the same guidance as, especially, an accepted answer, but with less care and detail feels exceptionally lazy.
@JeremyCaney What do you mean by "But leaving answers with the same guidance as, especially, an accepted answer"? A reviewer ansering the Question in a comment?
@Scratte As for your above question, I have trouble with those types of answers, too. Where it’s a question, combined with a suggestion. I normally skip those, but am also curious what the guidance is.
I noticed the Question went missing. I'm guessing magic happened :)
Does the "Please avoid extended discussions in comments. Would you like to automatically move this discussion to chat?" make for an auto-flag, or does one have to comment after seeing that to invoke the flag?
@halfer I would guess that's a duplicate for sure...I came across the answer on the VLQ...Someone knowing react may want to DV for the Roomba, or mark as duplicate, or both...
@JohnDvorak: the issue for me is that the OP seems to have testable code in a link, but still declines to post it in the question, degrading the quality and utility of the question
Ohh.. I though that would have been HFOE ;) But I cannot say, since I'm late to the party. I noticed that two different users have asked them to include the code.
But in all un-seriousness, it's a disservice to the username to shorten it. I just @-mention them and remove the @ after the tab-completion and voilá: HovercraftFullOfEels :)
I haven't seen it either. I'm blissfully ignorant and under the impression that the username is just really inventive and took a long time in it's creative process ;)
The data-processing tag currently has 613 questions over a wide range of topics, e.g.
How to smooth a curve in the right way?
Ways to read only select columns from a file into R? (A happy medium between `read.table` and `scan`?)
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Question: if I follow a post, then the post gets deleted (say, by OP), edited while deleted, and then undeleted, would I get an notification?
I know editing deleted posts doesn't produce notifications, and I think undeleting itself doesn't. I wonder if undeleting an edited post does, however.
Oh weird... not sure how that happened... I generally end up closing questions with answers like that while I'm there... must be the after effects of fainting when finding out the follow feature did something that was expected :p
my awesome cuteness is obviously too much for some people to handle... what can I say... it's both a blessing and a curse... cough cough cough cough cough
@Vickel Do us a favor and actually pick an RO to ping in the future. I noticed, but many of us merely idle (especially on Sundays) so it's easy to miss
impressions - 66 questions
Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous?
In most cases, we're talking about advertising impressions, although I have no idea why this question uses the tag
Is the concept described even on-topic for the site?
Most...
@user4642212 Now that I think about it, I did find a thanks reaction that I didn't think I put on a post either yesterday or the day before. I figured I accidentally clicked without noticing. I wonder if it could actually be this issue.
@Scratte I really think the OP needs to pick the “Yes” option and the question needs to have a Community close vote in the end; otherwise it doesn’t work.
I was led astray though. It looked like an auto-thanks came in on the top answer of a dupe-closure, but I found other duplicates where there was no Thanks™
@user4642212 No. I stopped while writing, because I noticed there is no thanks from them. I just saw your comment though. Maybe you still have time to remove it before they ask you about it :)
@IanCampbell I think if you find posts by the same user, the report can be made in the Charcoal HQ chat room. I'm not sure it gets added to smokey if they just vanish.
But I don't really know how it works there. I've just noticed that it's sort of like smokey's war-room :)
Here’s one closed as duplicate by me and Community, but no thanks-react by me: How does indexing work in a 2D array in Python?. But then again, I accidentally clicked on “thanks” when I wanted to view the timeline, so not sure if that messed something up.
What's the odds that all potential candidates will line up exactly at midnight? Do they usually do that, or do they come slowly during the time between the nomination and the primary?
@rene: thanks. I hadn't seen that discussion thread, but have now found it and will certainly look through it. I'm certainly not running, but again, it will be interesting.
@Scratte SO is a 24/7 site so candidates probably show up at a time that is convenient for them. While nominating early does have some advantage, waiting a bit after the first hype is over is a strategy I would prefer. And on some election we had late, very late nominations.
Would this be considered as rude ""We have to assume that you, at the very least, googled your title. Please show us your attempts and where you failed. Thanks"". I meant that you can say a lot of things bad and in end, say God bless
@Dharman I would have asked "Could you please add more information etc" or "these are the links where you could find the solution. Thanks". Instead of "at the very least, googled your title."
@Dharman It is not only my point. There is another guy who responded to the message with "given the clarity and specificity of the question, I think it is safe to assume OP has googled and found some text mining packages. However, s/he most probably is asking for a package that is specialized for this purpose. I wouldn't be so harsh on OP."
@Dharman I thought the new direction from SO is to be respectful in comments
This is unkind: "Ohh come on you idiot. You should Google it first before asking here. This is a waste of my time". This is rude: "F*** you, you lazy *****"
Honestly, I upvoted the comment when I saw it (which is how it appears currently). I thought it was reasonable to ask the OP to show what code they have tried thus far, even if it could be interpreted as curt. I would have personally worded it differently, but I didn't think it was rude.
@Dharman Let me try a different version "Ohh come on. You should have Googled it first. This is a waste of my time. You are being lazy. God bless you". I removed some of the words. My question is whether only using curse words gets somebody in trouble or the message
Here, I intentionally added some sentence pacifiers to modulate the message so that it won't appear as bad but if we split the sentence without the last one, it may appear as rude
@akrun I'd say that counts as "unkind" and would fall under the second flag option (what was previously known as "not constructive"). It's berating the OP and being disrespectful. It's got a bit of a nasty tone. And tone is extremely important.
"You should have Googled it first" is an accusation. "This is a waste of my time" is passive aggressiveness. "You are being lazy" is an ad hominem attack.
@AdrianMole No. You don't have to coddle someone but there's no call for being rude either.
@akrun I would say you should classify the comment based on the perceived emotion you feel when reading it as if it was directed to you. If you feel being attacked then the topmost option in the flag dialog is probably appropriate. If you feel that the comment makes you feel humiliated then it was probably unkind. It is not about the wording, but about the tone.
That's true, it is a fine line. And some people don't appreciate what they perceive as false niceties, either. Communication is difficult and not an exact science.
If you are asking for more details then you are probably being respectful, though direct. You need to be clear in what you expect, but you are making a request to the user, so you must also be polite.
Also, I think there is a problem introduced implicitly with commentators who are not native English speakers, or who are from different cultures. What, in one language/culture may seem perfectly 'neutral', may be perceived as rude in others.
"You are wasting my time" is not a polite request for more details. It is an insult. "I assume you have done research before and you have tried something, could you show it to us, please. Thanks." is a useful comment because it requests the necessary information
It is better to create a list of sentences that should be politically correct and use them for each situation. I do understand that we are all busy and have different moods at different time which can cause to have this kind of reaction
@Dharman I'd phrase that as English-speaking people and non-English-speaking people have different standards of politeness. Saying that Eastern European folks aren't polite doesn't strike me, as well, polite. ;) On a more serious note, yes, culture makes things difficult and even native speakers will interpret things differently, so I like to keep in mind a line from the old Be Nice policy: "assume good intentions".
Not sure I can dig it out, now, but I came across a Meta post about whether or not a particular comment was rude; Martijn posted an answer (IIRC) that went along the lines of, "Yes, but say it to yourself in the accent of an old Russian and it sounds much better."
("assume good intentions" is a good rule of thumb. It has its limits - you don't need to assume good intent if it is absolutely clear that it's not - but as general guidance it's sound advice. Interpret things charitably to a reasonable extent, help gloss over culture differences, and be mindful of what you say - you can always personally make an attempt to communicate well, even if other people around you aren't.)
@akrun Are you using the Auto Review Comments user script? It's very helpful. It also automatically includes "Hi Bob, welcome to Stack Overflow." if they are new. That way they can feel extra warm and fuzzy.
What this boils down to in terms of comments and being "unkind" is that you personally (general you) should strive to avoid leaving comments that are passive aggressive or otherwise disrespectful; but assume good faith to a reasonable degree when reading and responding to other people. "Assume the best of others, but apply strict standards to yourself" is a good method of communication if you can do that.
@Dharman Right? Assume good intentions does not mean ignore blatant rudeness or anything. As I've been saying, it's assume good intentions when it is reasonable to do so.
@Dharman one thing for sure. The Polish I have met are consistently very nice people. Maybe I've been lucky, but I have the impression something in their culture tends towards being polite and gentle. I've had nothing but excellent experiences with the Polish.
@bad_coder Most people acquire local culture and courtesy with time. Fun fact: to many polish people the shocking thing after the first contact with English-speaking culture is that you say Hi and Sorry so much. Why are you being so insincere to us?
@Dharman I didn't fully understand the connection with the last sentence, that saying "hi" and "sorry" a lot (the way English speakers do it) causes the impression of insincerity to a person of Polish culture? (Did I understand that right?)
(And trust me, I'm not a native English speaker, there are a ton of things that I find remarkable and awkward in their way of speaking and being.)
The culture slowly shifts. With the worker exchange in recent years, young people are bringing the western culture to east Europe. However, it is still a shock for me whenever I go there. I am used to people saying hi and sorry to me, now. I find it weird that a shopkeeper yells at me and has a facial expression which looks like he wants to kill me. For people living there, it is still the norm. That is how people are and they are not trying to be rude to you.
@Dharman ok, it's said "ethnic/national stereotypes" are best avoided on SO...But, SOCVR is an exception, since regulars here do get to know each other. However, we need to be careful because anything can be taken out-of-context and misinterpreted.
@akrun I think the "Thanks!" in the end is rude. It's probably not flagable rude, but I find it to be expressing that I already did what they want me to do, and it annoys me :) Like "Add the error as text. Thanks!" <-- Just don't put in the Thanks! :)
@Dharman What you said are some of the "idiossincracies" that do effectively characterize other cultures on a very broad level. And those become especially enhanced and significant if we're living abroad or faced with different cultures. I do not, personally, have any problem talking about those characteristics, because they are true to some extent and very noteworthy.
@Dharman So I'll join you...I've never understood what I would call "the Eastern European way of playing macho in a conversation".
@Scratte it is a bit difficult to say with regards to how the tone is perceived. But, I guess all of us agree that curse words are no-no. I was called at least 3 or 4 times the "idiot" word :=)
@Dharman for example, I just know that if I'm in a restaurant and the waiter is Ukrainian, in that first brief conversation he'll make it clear that "he's my peer", "my equal". While normally in a restaurant, waiters have a way of deferring to the client and making themselves inconspicuous. I've never been able to understand why....
@akrun Oh, sorry about that. I think it's also just preference. I'd rather be called an idiot than have a pre-thanks! :) Perhaps it's just reverse physiology. The Thanks! makes is appear as a nicety, but it's not, it's like an order.
@akrun No :) Not to a stranger, even if it's true :) And on a post in a comment everyone is a stranger, even if you know them, because everyone that sees the post will not know the connection.
@Dharman normally in Western Europe, there are what the US citizens call "social queues"...Like, people meet each other and give of some hints about their social status, if they've studied, if they work, their social standing...
@bad_coder You are right that we should probably avoid discussing cultures further in this room. I was only describing my culture to illustrate a point that sentences translated to English can be perceived as terse or even impolite, but they were not intented to sound like that in their original language.
@Dharman your culture. If we talk about the Polish, since you are a national citizen, there's little chance someone would accuse you of being incorrect. Since your, after all, talking about yourself.
@Dharman :funny you should say that. I picked up a book by a Polish author (a woman actually) a couple of weeks ago...And that's what I'm currently reading.
@bad_coder you should try an Austrian waiter in Vienna, a local one... many make you understand that the restaurant is theirs and you are just a little nobody they allowed to sit down and will have the grace to be serves by them. At the end they make a joke, to make sure the tip is OK.
@Vickel I think maybe it's also just personality. I've had very different experiences in my own town. One like you just mentioned (no, I didn't leave a tip) and also other ones where the waiter is very humble.
@Vickel What do you think of the Portuguese waiters?
@Scratte I've been meaning to tell you...Sometimes I'll see a live music concert in Denmark, and it's really peculiar that the entire crowd is holding up their smartphones and recording it....like, what?! Have you noticed that?
@bad_coder You'll be surprise, most are very helpful and friendly, it's in the genes of the Portuguese people to be welcoming and helpful, obviously like anywhere else you can run into someone having a bad dayd
I can see what they tried to say. They meant that if you are using this software then you should add this tag so that people know of the limitations
@Machavity After thinking about it even more, I think this was a very good excerpt. I would definitely approve it. If I saw this information in the excerpt it would prevent me removing the tag from the question. I do often remove unnecessary tags and seeing this information in the excerpt would be valuable information for me.
@Machavity I don't think you can provide code for such question. The MCVE is there already.