@IanCampbell but yeah, to your comment last night...I do CV queue review of almost exclusively Android questions. I don't think I've turned off that filter in quite a long time. I can easily get through my 40 reviews just in that tag, with very few Leave Opens (plenty of skips over Firebase questions, though). Fortunately the tag is well-watched by other curators too, so I have a very high close vote -> closed question rate, and many of the rest are roomba-eligible.
@RyanM I know nothing about Android, but maybe I should turn on the filter and try my hand at the ones that are so egregious that I don't need to be a SME.
@krjdev The problem is that there is rarely a "correct" answer to these sorts of questions, and Stack Overflow doesn't really do well with opinion-based questions to which there's no "correct" answer
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@Braiam @RyanM Serious question: Are there any other sites on the StackExchange network with slightly restrict rules for asking programming questions? And thank you for thinking my questions are spam. It's always easy to clarify an other opinion as spam. Notice for me: Avoid SO, directly ask in the mailing list of the project or at other resources.
@VLAZ I should have responded in more detail: Implementing the display of any currently active request for a post is something I've thought a reasonable amount about. I've intended to add it to the Request Generator, but have not implemented it. I have worked a bit on some associated things in other scripts, which I'd seen as prototyping a portion of the needed functionality.
Basically, the Request Generator needs the information about all currently active requests in order to indicate to users when the request they want to place is going to be a duplicate. Once it has that information, it's a very short distance to displaying the existing request in the question/answer (e.g. as a formatted note at the top of the post).
I thought of a few/several different ways for the script to keep itself updated with the request messages available in the chat room, including some schemes where the URRS helps compile the list and communicates it to the script. However, I'd decided it really wasn't a good idea to force the use of both scripts. Anyway, doing so would be inconvenient, because communicating between them on different domains is non-trivial, but doable.
So, I'd gotten to the point that the script would need to keep track of what requests were in the chat transcript. The associated work has been a couple of scripts which fetch and share the transcript events for transcript pages. My intent was to use a portion of that code for the basic part of fetching and keeping the transcript events (actually only keep a subset). For parsing the chat events, I'd intended to pull the modular detections in the Archiver out and use those.
If you want to work on something, that's great. I'm happy to supply more information about what I was thinking, if it's helpful.
If your goal is only to have the display when you click on links from from chat (i.e. not display if you didn't get there from a link in chat), that's doable as an alternate way of having the functionality.
@Scratte Unrelated: this may be small comfort/unhelpful for you, but I can assure you that you'll have a much higher close success rate once you can cast close votes, as casting votes from close review will increase the priority of the review and get more eyes on it.
@Nick Can you edit a post yourself and then change your vote?
Some of your posts definitely require subject-matter expertise to understand why they should be closed...like the SQL one I don't really understand well enough to be confident of a vote on. The CV queue at least potentially has people with filters on looking at things they know.
On the other hand, there are relatively few total CV reviewers.
@RyanM Although I haven't done that, someone else did that to me, they accidentally downvoted an answer, came back later and realised they meant to upvote, then edited the post themselves and changed the vote.
@RyanM Yes, you can definitely do this. I've downvoted, then gotten more information from the OP in comments; edited the information into the question and upvoted.
@Scratte I guess, but who's going to have enough information to notice I'm doing it? I guess it'd flood the front page if I tried to do it quickly. Also, is this actually realistic?
Or...heck, limit me to five post-grace-period vote retractions a day.
I have 843 active up/down votes, I'm surely not that bored.
I certainly don't make five voting mistakes a day; that'd be more than enough.
I actually don't think anyone has ever edited one of my posts. Dharman tried the last time I made this comment, but apparently couldn't find anything in need of improvement :D
My point was that this change is enabling anyone to go through their votes and un-vote any of their earlier ones from the begging of time, if it's on a post that was edited by Community. Which, among other things, are all post that didn't use a space in the #-header
@RyanM Did you mean to pull the Question out of the close vote queue?
Dear SO: Just because I improved something doesn't mean I think the end result is good.
In particular, I'll strip the [android] tag off any CV review I see that isn't an Android question. Apparently SO thinks that means I'm voting to leave it open?
Heh.. but there's the idea that your edits are wasted if the Question is to be closed and forgotten anyway, no?.. I mean edits send them to the re-open queue, so edits should also remove them from the close, no? :)
That one is particularly bizarre because it has an actual close vote on it. I didn't think a single vote could punt something from the queue, especially if it has close votes.
In this case, I'm trying to send it to the right reviewers - people who know PHP. Or that's what I thought, anyway.
@RyanM If it's this SQL request that you're not confident about, it doesn't require any SME at all. It's about a missing expected & actual result. And missing the definition and data of the tables involved. It even has an image of their actual result :)
I'm also a little confused about the review queue. It seems to keep giving me SQL Questions. Is there some functionality that will give users Questions in the tags that they previously reviewed or is it based on their profile tag points?
@RyanM You are doing that. Whenever you choose "Edit" as your review action, that completes the review for that post (i.e. it kicks the post out of whatever queue you made the edit from). You should only click the big blue "Edit" button if you can resolve all of the reasons why the post is in the review queue. If you want to make cosmetic improvements, then open the question page in a different tab and make the edit there.
@Makyen yep, I can see that now...thanks. I could've sworn I'd spot-checked one before and it didn't do that. Ugh, well now I know. Fortunately it's not an action I've taken many times.
@akuzminykh Personally, that also wouldn't bother me. Neither could "Cancer". Even if they did bother me, it would be a personal issue, that I'd have to deal with.
(I'm assuming we're asking if it's so insensitive as to be flaggable, for the record. I think naming yourself after any major cause of death is at least tasteless, and potentially insensitive as well. But it's not, by itself, flaggable.)
I also don't think that this is flaggable. But it's out of place and keep in mind that SO has an "image" + it'd be just a nice disciplinary measure to make the user aware of that it is not tolerated. He is most certainly aware of the characteristics of that name and knows what he's doing by using it.
I think all those 4 are not intentionally provocative but "Covid19" is. It's a greyzone, it's etiquette to not name yourself like that IMO ... but yeah, it'd be extremly harsh to punish that. :D
@Scratte a few of them do that, but most are just providing background for why they're trying to find any Bluetooth device with less than a certain signal strength (remember to social distance from all your Bluetooth devices)
If the big shade would just go off and on, instead of rotating on this flat earth, we wouldn't even be arguing. I think I need a feature-request to the disk-creator.
I'm assuming they're still active. Who else would be winding it up for the shade to continuously work? It probably also needs oil on occasion :)
@Nick It's a bit tricky to push the submit button though. It's a bit far away and looks like cheese. I think the first person to be close enough was a guy named Neil, but he forgot to write up the request before pushing the button :(
@Nick I wouldn't say "insensitive" but it's a poor choice. Some one could ask him in the comments if he'd perhaps considered changing it to something else.
BTW @Scratte: you had mentioned that the Microsoft Store made you create an account before installing software. Having recently installed some, it doesn't, but it uses dark patterns to make you think it does. Simply close the dialog and it will proceed without an account.
@Braiam I haven't checked on the Dominican Republic elections outcome, but I've read up (again) on the country's history...Quite interesting and mind-boggling for a European...
@Braiam not unattractive at all...quite interesting!! Your 20th century history is very contrived and full of dark periods (Europe had the same, and worst...But the difference is I'm used to commenting on European history, while commenting on Central American history would be nearly impossible.)
@Braiam one thing I can say: I'm looking forward to reading Juan Bosch. That's a really noteworthy detail, the connection between politics and literature/poetry in your history (it's hard to find clear and significant parallels in that regard.)
I have no earthly idea if that question is clear or not, but apparently the comment answered it? so maybe it's clear, and the comment should be converted to an answer.
@rene I'm not against inventing new words for new things, but things that already have words to define them we shouldn't reinvent them willynilly. I would call that feature local profile and be done with it.
@Scratte Are they trying to write the heapify method (title), test it (body), or fix a bug in it (implication)? I assume "cant change the methods or variables" means the function signatures, but that's definitely a guess...
Feature request: if a question is closed as a duplicate of a question that's the first Google search result for the exact title of the question, the asker has to type "I will search the internet before asking questions on Stack Overflow" five times before they can ask another question.
@Scratte Well, I then copied the question ID into the close-as-duplicate box...
I imagine that it would be fraud to have separate accounts to put more than one close vote on a post, but is it bad to have two accounts and use close votes on 100 different posts a day?
Is there actually a way to list all question that duplicate a question? E.g. I have this question and I want to list all the questions that were marked as duplicates of it.
@Scratte Not for my user :-p but yes, it doesn't implement that (yet?). Or bounties paid, +2 for accepting other people's answers, rep from deleted posts (not in the data), red flags against your account (not in the data), documentation contributions (not in the data), or answers you've downvoted (not in the data).
Any guesses on whether this will be declined as NAA? The first part of the answer is really an aside, but the part that addresses the OP's requirement is just a non-English YouTube video... stackoverflow.com/a/62727820
Spamming the same post twice is something that mods should be aware of regardless of content. The link is undesirable but it does not make it NAA. However, the flag is actionable since a mod should delete one or both of these answers.
So to sum up. I don't think NAA flag was appropriate here. You should have used mod-flag and explained "This user posted two identical answers linking to a YouTube video. Possible spam!" but the system already raised that flag so you could just leave it be and come back in 24 hours to see if the answers got deleted.
Nevermind I read that wrong. Still, if you answered it I don't think this room allows you to ask us to reopen it.
@Dharman Doubling up on flags isn't a huge deal. Doesn't create any more work for mods, really, as handling one of the flags will handle all of them. That frees you from the burden of having to think about whether an auto-flag would have been raised.
@WiktorStribiżew Just be aware that, according to the official room rules, you really shouldn't be making [xxx-pls] requests in here for posts in which you are involved.
Yeah, that's how I took it... More of a "don't pile on". If there's no RO around, I don't see a problem with a regular gently correcting. But, well, I'm not a RO, so I don't make the policy either.
Hi! On Meta SO, how to flag off topic questions (e. g. programming questions)? Would that be "Needs improvement" -> "A community-specific reason"? The new dialogue is a bit confusing, so I stopped flagging.
The Privileges page and the links there were not so helpful.
And dialogs with nested options (in this case, 3 levels worth of nesting!) don't make it very straightforward to review all the choices and pick the one that makes the most sense. I had suggested putting all the close reasons in one dialog, but that wasn't a popular suggestion.
@Scratte That's correct. "Closed" was renamed again.
I've added CSS to my dialogs that appends "should be closed.." to the "Needs Improvement" text
@CodyGray That is the only thing that makes sense. I had to copy'n'paste them all into a file to understand what the different options were and how to get to them.
@CodyGray But I like to see it :) And.. if a new user finds the CSS changes in the post of mine on meta (Yeah, I get it.. never going to happen), then it may remove some confusion :)
tl;dr the mvvm tag is either a meta-tag that's irrelevant the questions it's attached to, or a subject that's off-topic on Stack Overflow. Either way, it should be burninated.
Burnination criteria
Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous?
Yes...
@RyanM It sounds funny, but that could be a logical outcome. I am flagging stuff because I do not have the details to know the whole situation. As a mod I could see that my flag was unwarranted and decline it
Fun fact: if you have two flags on the same post marked helpful, it only shows the second one in the main/helpful lists, but you can see the first one if you open its category (the first was spam, the second was custom)
Speaking of flags ;) I flagged 7 answers as spam (same user, same tool, no disclosure). All flags were helpful and all the posts, except 1, were deleted. I believe it was forgotten by the mod, but strangely was just downvoted. Would mod-flagging be abusive?
@Vega You deserve congratulations. That is the only Steward badge I don't have and it's not one I could ever imagine getting. You must have the patience of a saint.
You flagged that right in-between my clearing the migration history on the question (which undeleted the answer) and my re-deleting it, so it required quite a bit of a coordinated dance on all sides. Two other flags on that post were automatically marked "helpful" by Community when that question was wrongly migrated to another site.
They have to be attempts to answer the question that was asked. They can't just be attempts to answer something, because that opens the floodgates for all kinds of nonsense to be preserved as a possible to answer to some hypothetical question.
Note that this is different from judging whether or not they are correct answers. Anything that requires subject-matter expertise is out of scope for NAA flags (and, in general, for moderator flags).
Yeah, I've spilled gallons of ink about it on Meta over the years
Interesting. I had assumed that flagging would lead to a "flags should not be used to indicate technical inaccuracies, or an altogether wrong answer" - assuming that the wrong language is a techical innacuracy.
If I ask how to perform such and such machine-learning task in C++ and someone replies "You can achieve this much more easily in Python using TF and here is how: ..." Then it is an answer
@RyanM Yes. As soon as I read the question title and skim the question, it becomes very clear that that doesn't even remotely attempt to answer the question.
@Dharman Yeah, the guidance assumes that at least one of the users involved (flagger or moderator) is not an idiot.
That example only proves that context matters, and that you have to actually read the post in order to decide whether it is an answer.
@Dharman while those are perhaps "answers", I find them quite unhelpful, since they are in fact answers to a different question that was not asked, but could be asked, self-answered, then linked in a comment
The end result of that hypothetical is that the information on how to solve a problem in python is now in a C++ question
The famous 7 word 900 scored answer, is then a NAA, since the Question of that clearly stated that they had already tried that and was looking for another solution.
@RyanM I think that's overstating it. They're no different than library or tool recommendation answers, which are very good, when they're done correctly. Plenty of programmers tend to use the wrong tool for the job, just because it's the tool they know. Answers that recommend a superior tool are useful, if not for the original asker, for a generation of future Googlers.
And I totally agree with adding it, it just seems like it's usually more of a comment than an answer. But I can see it having its place for XY problems.
"Need refer to parse this XML in python" "Use an XML parser"
I'm having trouble understanding why it would be better as a comment.
Because you're imagining something low-quality that consists of little more than a link or a two-word suggestion? Sure. That's probably best as a comment. It would likely qualify for NAA on its own.
If the answer is "you reaallllly shouldn't do this this way, here's why you should do it this other way" then I'm totally on board with it as an answer
But if I ask how to use TensorFlow from Java and I get told I should use Python instead because it's easier...well, that doesn't really answer the question.
(probably not NAA, but doesn't answer the question)
Okay I am really going to sleep for real. Night y'all.
@Scratte IIRC, Moderators who voluntarily step down can get re-instated fairly easily. I think (not sure) that Jon did just that. But Community Moderators are elected for life. As for a certain former CM: The CEO has stated (on Meta) that there is no formal rule or barrier stopping him from seeking election as a Moderator. (But when some idiot hinted at that when he visited this room a few days back, he quickly vanished.)
^ CM confusion there - sorry. CM = Community Manager.
@AdrianMole I am aware of one user that asked for reinstatement and was denied. Which made me curious. Yes, lets not talk about that idiot ;) Feeling a nGrudge++ coming my way now ;)
The idiot referred to in my earlier post would be the person that this poster would refer to using the perpendicular pronoun. (Translation: It was self-referential, not a hurled insult.)
But then they didn't technically get elected twice, did they? Unless they were elected, then hired, then non-hired, and for some reason was un-elected..
That's what I'm saying. There's no need for a second election; the Community's vote stands for life. So long as the Company decides that there is no other impediment.
@Dharman That's probably not a good idea. Since that would circumvent elections and open op the possibility that all moderators are favoring each other. If they appoint enough, there'd even be reason to even have elections.