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@CodyGray /dev/null is the correct room for requests which are not to be fulfilled (e.g. the user no longer feels the question should be closed; the request violates some SOCVR rule; etc.).
On the other hand, requests which are moved to SOCVR Request Graveyard are intended to be fulfilled. The vast majority of requests which are moved to the Graveyard are moved after they are fulfilled, but there are some which enter the Graveyard without being fulfilled. Basically, someone viewing the Graveyard's transcript should be confident that at the time the request left SOCVR, there was a desire for the request to be complete.
 
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02:30
@CodyGray I'm getting more people talking about Triage & H&I (meta/chat); I'm getting SE to review and fixing Triage; and I'm applying pressure to these feature requests: Make it more obvious that you're review banned and Retain a link in the top bar review queue menu for users in review suspension
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I'll be posting review ban stats in the Bad Stack Overflow Reviews room from now onwards to avoid cluttering SOCVR. I've also linked a spreadsheet with previous stats (with charts) in there.
03:20
@Makyen So, then, how does it come about that "...there are some which enter the Graveyard without being fulfilled"?
@CodyGray We give cv-pls and reopen-pls requests up to 3 days, while del-pls and undel-pls requests get up to 7 days. Those requests are moved to the graveyard regardless of their fulfillment status the next time the Archiver is run after that amount of time has expired. Given the change to 3 CV, it's less likely that requests are moved without being fulfilled, but it does happen. When 5 CV were required for closure, it was routine for some requests to expire without being fulfilled.
Ah, okay. I was not aware there was a timeout period.
03:37
@CodyGray Well, when they get older than that, it's not all that likely the request would be fulfilled, even if they stayed in SOCVR. The URRS provides a way to review unfulfilled requests, but the people which use/used it tended to do so regularly, so if the requests got that old it's not very likely that new people are going to look at the post. Those that would review older requests will have mostly looked at the request and/or post and made the choice to either Cl/Del-vote or not.
URRS. That sounds painful.
:-). It's the Unclosed Request Review Script. Its functionality was expanded significantly since it was named. It now provides a more feature-full request review page, but also provides semi-realtime status for each post and request in chat, chat transcripts, searches, chat user pages, etc.
03:57
Wow, that UI is busier than a cross-eyed air traffic controller.
lol :-)
I must say, I am beyond thrilled with the effects of lowering the close-vote threshold to 3, even if it did reduce the need for your scope-creep-infected userscript.
@CodyGray :-) I too am quite happy with the 3 CV change, even if it makes the script, particularly the review page portion, significantly less relevant. :-)
I find that I still routinely use the semi-realtime information in chat and transcripts, but the review page is something that I don't really visit that much anymore. Prior to the 3 CV change, I'd use the review page at least daily. We'd often have up to 70 or even 100+ active cv-pls requests.
04:13
So happy it got two smileys.
I'm quite happy with the change. I'm happy enough to give it lots more smileys, but if I start giving it more, I'm not sure where I'd stop. :-)
Interesting articles. From a brief skim, they are consistent with my experience.
04:40
The second definitely matches with my prejudices. The first? Meh, I think I must be more German than American...
 
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@rene morning
Morning!
 
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08:47
If I have a solution that's almost identical to someone else's answer, should I post the entire solution or just link to the other answer and put my one line in my own answer?
..or just leave a comment on the other answer? this has a minor difference to another answer.
09:01
@Scratte it really depends; for example, if the difference is in code, you really should not edit someone else's answer, and might be better off providing a separate answer with a comment to explain how yours is different and why; for minor tweaks, maybe just leave a comment on an existing answer
@Scratte that's too messy to even tell how it's different
@tripleee In the case above someone posted the complete answer, leaving most of it hard to read because it's in a quote. I checked the differences :)
It's only the last line :)
So the choice is between leaving an Answer saying: "Using the answer from .. this change made it work: ..." Or NAA.
if I had the stamina I'd try to edit it into shape but ... feel free, it will earn you a juicy +2 rep
I do have that stamina :) I'm just afraid it will look odd. But I should keep the entire code then, or it will become mostly a link to the other answer?
@Scratte I really don't see any difference at all, where exactly is it different?
@tripleee if name == 'main': The last line in the quote/code. Everything else is just whitespace-diffs. If I was the answer-er I would have left a comment on the other answer.
09:12
the source looks exactly identical, though of course because they didn't format it properly it's displayed as bold instead of with the underscores; but the correct code should have underscores so that's a bug, not a feature
@tripleee Thank you. I'm going to go away now. This is embarrassing..
@Scratte no worries, it happens to all of us (-:
10:03
Unless a user explicitly mentions their contact information on their profile (like email), is there any way for other users to find it?
No, quite deliberately.
10:19
@yivi Thank you
10:49
@nopassport1 welcome! Glad you found us ;)
@rene Thanks, I didn't know this community existed
@rene did you feel lonely before, or is this a "Glad that you saw the light"-welcome? :P
:D
11:11
@Dharman please be invited to report to Smoke Detector, too; it helps us develop detections if we get alerted when spam is not detected
you need room owner approval to be able to !!/report from here but I'll be happy to give you the privileges in Charcoal HQ if you don't want to wait, or if ROs are not approving
11:31
@tripleee yeah, Smokey permission meetings are a battlefield. No RO escapes undamaged ...
waffles
Mm. Waffles.
That account needs to be nuked... purely a spam account by the looks of it. >.>
@J.Steen accounts are most often nuked if they posted multiple times on multiple sites. I see no evidence of that.
@rene multiple time on single site , 3 post within 8 days :)
@Shree hmm, I would have expected they earned badges?
:)
12:26
@Shree okay, I've brought it to the attention of JNAT.
12:38
Waffles?
@rene the stack overflow employee?
wait, that's JMac...
@TylerH yes, a CM
15:08
plops in
I am alive, back from Abu Dhabi, got some non-coronavirus thingy but still self quarantining because is miserable.
Get well soon!
@Compass what a way to lighten up chat :)
I'm very happy though, even though I'm sick!
Great to hear and hope you feel better soon! I had a slight cold for a few days - turns out it's a really good way to just freak people out these days :)
My friend got mandatory 2 weeks sick leave :O
paid
with no symptoms :O
15:16
My wife's cousin is on a quarantined cruise ship. Good times...
When do they plan to let them go?
Oh no :(
@Machavity yikes
@JohnDvorak 2 weeks probably
15:18
when that first came up I mentioned to someone I wouldn't mind at all being on a cruise ship indefinitely until I realized they probably don't let you continue doing all the stuff for free after your paid duration expires
thats why i go everywhere with my VR headset lol
even in my bedroom I can do stuff :)
I'd be out of luck; all my gaming is done on my Desktop, mostly thru Steam, but almost entirely requiring an internet connection these days
it makes me le sad
@TylerH Have you tried steam link? My brother was playing one of the modern tomb raiders on his phone
I have not. But that would still require an internet or mobile data connection, wouldn't it?
welllll..... yeah
15:22
what makes me le sad, specifically, is the lack of offline play for games that are single player or partially single player
ahhh i see, yes, I agree
Starcraft II for example, has singleplayer capability for a large portion of the gameplay but you have to login online to get to it. SC1 didn't have that issue. There are endless examples these days of the same
@TylerH I think that's the case for most of blizz's games though, D3 is the same and I reckon D4 will as well
One of the things I would do if I won the lottery and became a billionaire (guess I'd have to start playing for that to have any chance...) is probably start a game dev company and just let the devs make good games without all the crappy business decisions like microtransactions, always-online, lack of dedicated servers, etc.
maybe even buy some popular IPs and restore them to glory or open source the code
@TylerH and a bountiful supply of scooby snacks, right? /me looks hopeful...
15:28
of course
yay... go forth and win a lottery or something then :)
I recommend for all of you, the Oculus Quest.
I've had it for almost a year, early adopter, and it is an amazing piece of equipment for its cost. You can use it for working out when you don't have access to a gym, and as a movie theater when you don't have access to a good TV.
@Compass I could probably use it to throw up when I don't have access to a stomach bug
@TylerH Ironically, I think limited microtransactions can be a good thing by dropping the cost of the game. It's when they go out of control that we revile them
@AndrasDeak surprisingly, Quest VR has very little motion sickness once you adapt to it.
None of my friends have experienced any symptoms.
You should correlate that with their natural tendency to get motion sick. I can't read in a car, or play any fps games even on a single flat screen.
So, in a car, your focus is on a static object, but the car is still in motion.
I can't read in a car either.
16:03
here it's the other way around
But in a VR headset, unless you're physically moving, there is no movement.
I've never tried a VR headset thanks to my susceptibility, but I'm pretty sure the fps scenario is representative
I've experienced motion sickness in VR, but it was on a PSVR and with a game that forcibly rotated your perspective
so sitting on the ground and rotating 90 degrees in space = no go
but in games that root you to the ground or a chair, like a movie theater, it might work
I'd recommend you at least try it out, perhaps at an arcade. If you tell the staff that you're naturally prone to motion sickness they'll probably let you try out a low-motion VR demo.
16:10
A low-vomit VR demo ....
I wonder if that leads to low volume-high speed or just low-speed vomit...
@tripleee thanks. I think I have permissions, just not the time :)
@AndrasDeak Not sure, but it says 100% success rate on the package ...
Unless the game moves you against your will, I think it should be fine. Even watching a movie in theaters is relaxing. I'll just put the headset on and lie in bed and watch YouTube on a virtual movie theater that's pegged to a virtual skybox :)
@rene "Our VR produces 50% less vomit than the leading brand!"
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16:29
Can't wait to play Roller Coaster Tycoon with this!
@Adriaan Yeah \o/ I was in Sweden a 2 weeks ago, I tried to get a table (to eat and see a match, but failed, full booked)..
 
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HI all,
When did the question list start showing the name and image of the person that last edited a question rather than the name and image or the person asking the question?
Or have I been missing this for ages :)
@RiggsFolly in the question tab, depending if you use "active" or "newest". newest shows the OP, active the last intervene
Ahhh thanks @Vickel that explains it, doont normally use newest :)
@RiggsFolly It's been the last week or so. Not sure if it's a bug or not. Never bothered going to meta about it. (and yes, I'm on newest, not active, and newest used to always show to OP)
@NathanOliver Ooo, so I am not quite as far behind the curve as I thought. Thanks
18:13
Although now I cant reproduce that behavior
Ahh shows me (Editor) in the Active list and the Questioner in the Newest list
Y'all be cray.
Editor has never been shown in "Newest". The bug is in Nathan's memory...
Ok so I am way behind the curve, although I am normally in the Newest list and not the Active list :)
Sorry for stiring up the swamp :)
Yeah, I only ever use Newest.
@RiggsFolly welcome to Stack Overflow
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18:46
@ROs do you check if so many cv-pls requests from one of our fellow reviewers are going unhanded? Obviously, I had some request which I asked to be binned (OP edited, somebody left a comment that changed my mind, etc.) or even I didn't ask for binning since I haven't come across them again. But recently, I noticed so many requests from one user not getting closed; I did not cast a vote but haven't had enough experience in those tags to challenge them either.
I am now starting to worry since number of them is increasing, and I cannot recall agreeing with even one of those requests (I cannot be sure since I wasn't monitoring their request/close votes)
@Makyen maybe you have a script for this :/ p.s. not calling any names since as I said I am not sure yet
brb, getting the tar and the feathers
@M-- Are you saying someone isn't getting CVs handled, or they are getting them handles when they shouldn't?
It's probably me...
Incidentally, you can always search for open CVs and we have URRS if you need to search
@M-- The URRS can be used to easily see requests where the post is not in the state which the request is asking for. The review page can be sorted by requesting user, if desired. However, I'm not seeing all that many from any one user. The user with the most only has only one which is both unhandled and which hasn't been edited after the request was posted. There are also at least some of them which were closed and then later reopened.
I'll look some more at the specific cases, but I'm not seeing something that's dramatically wrong.
ninja'd... again :-)
19:00
It's OK, you still beat me in JS skill :P
Please do keep us updated... The tar is starting to get cold.
^^ :-) & ^^^ :-)
@Dharman I went with typo
Works as well
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19:10
@Machavity I am saying that CVs they are posting seem problematic. I noticed them since they are not getting handled; it is a good sign that we are not acting blindly on anything that getting posted here (and a proof that we are not a cabal :D)
@Machavity @Makyen does URRS also list the request that have aged away? (you also bin very old requests, right?)
@Dharman you wish =)
@M-- It does if you run it from the SOCVR Request Graveyard, which will have all requests which have either aged away or have been handled. The default is that it will only display those where the post state isn't the requested state (or a superseding state; e.g. deleted for a `cv-pls). There's a button at the top-middle of the review search page which will re-run it and show the completed requests too.
The default is also to not show the posts you've visited, so you need to enable showing those if you want to see everything (and enable showing your own requests).
@Georgy I would recommend to raise this on Meta. Repeated requests should not be asked in this room. We do not want to get involved in content dispute, especially when a mod is involved.
I am not RO, just saying from my own perspective as I do not feel comfortable voting on it against the gold-badge and mod
@M-- The URRS is also active on each user's recent messages page, so that can be visited to easily see the mix of completed/not completed for a single user.
@Dharman Could you, please, point me to the rule regarding repeated requests? I can't find it.
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@Makyen is it? how? (sorry to bother with many questions)
19:22
@Georgy We don't permit re-requesting for a question which has already been closed via a prior request (or several other possible conditions indicating a potential conflict between users). The reason is that the situation is a difference of opinion between users. Once it escalates to that point, it's something which needs to be taken to Meta, not just be handled isolated here in SOCVR.
While this has been the policy for quite a while, we do need to make it more clear in the FAQ.
@M-- np. While the URRS will show status on user pages, if you want it to apply the completed style, you may need to adjust the options on the URRS option popup under "General options" -> "Completed requests:".
This is your recent messages page, which is paginated: add &page=N to the URL. Userscripts which add pagination buttons: Stack Exchange Chat History Pagination and Chat Pagination, which is also in Sam's Chat Improvements.
Can we make an exception for questions like this? stackoverflow.com/q/50789182/1839439
19:37
@AdrianMole I was contemplating what to do with a post. During that I noticed you had Reviewed it. May I ask what you did to it? this one
What post?
@Scratte Ha! I can see why you can't see what I did! ... I upvoted the comment.
@Clint off-topic why?
@Dharman nothing to do with programming
@AdrianMole lol! Ok. You might also have flagged it, and either got it declined or still be in the queue :) Thank you for remembering what you did :)
@Clint It's hard to tell. I went with Needs focus
19:42
I didn't remember, really. When you go back to a comment that you've upvoted, you can see that you have done so, because the up arrow is highlighted.
@AdrianMole Ah.. yes. That's right. I keep forgetting all the details of this place. There's no much to learn.
@Dharman What exception did you want to be made there...?
The learning-curve and forgetting-curve here, for me, are inter-twined, with their sum being approximately constant.
@AdrianMole I can't let that happen for me. I'm about to process a post about licensing, with the scrollbar being too narrow to hit.
@CodyGray No recent activity. We can't ask for closing such questions here, but FAQ says we can make exception sometimes
19:52
@Dharman OK. As long as you didn't want to make an exception to our no-translation policy or something like that. Because I nuked it.
20:17
@CodyGray obrigado
Closed @Dharman as off-topic/not English
20:31
@CodyGray muito obrigado? :D
21:08
Hola. ¿Cómo estás?
Is this NAA?
@Scratte Si.
@S.S.Anne Grazas
*Gracias
Bizarrely, that wasn’t the only C# answer to that Ruby question...
21:12
Not in Galician
Yes. But I was speaking typing Spanish.
Oh. My mistake. I thought we could pick which ever we wanted.
My knowledge of Spanish is very poor.
Mine too. But my knowledge of Galician is even worse.
Pretty sure we were doing Portuguese...
21:15
*Português
If anything fails, we should just each keep to our native language.
I only know what Google Translate tells me. I took Latin for 7 years, so you can imagine how useful that is
klidně...
Czech your privilege
¡no orines en la piscina!
21:20
@S.S.Anne "otherwise a red color appears around you"
no rojo, amarillo
rojo tio
@Scratte As you wish. I’ll try to express everything in C++.
@S.S.Anne that's what children are told, do you think they are afraid of a little yellow
uncle red?
21:22
tio means something like "dude"
I was taught that it meant uncle.
yes, sure... but when you speak with your homies people often use it as "dude"
@CodyGray I know some danish person invented it, but we only have one language in common.
@S.S.Anne form urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tio: "#dude#mate#bro#buddy#pal"
Oh, yes. Such a reputable source.
21:27
@S.S.Anne Looks like there is repro code there. What is the specific concern? Can you not reproduce the described behavior?
@S.S.Anne there is another source: Netflix
Parece que tío puede ser muchas cosas diferentes - Sólo conocía cuatro de los ;}
@Vickel urban dictionary is widely known as a good source of nonsense
I always have the urbandictionary open in a tab, just to understand what is said in here..
LOL
„How should I know what I think before I hear what I said?"
21:35
@CodyGray Trash it, please. I thought I saw a function missing that is present.
@TylerH only source i found in a rush, and translates "tio" use in slang pretty well, anyway that red color thing after peeing in the pool is a hoax, started in 1937, see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine-indicator_dye and it worked with me when I was a kid, never peed in the pool, too afraid of the red cloud
@Vickel Some kids turn out to be great testers though :)
One time when I was a kid the pool turned green on me. I was also thirsty.
well you are stuck to detect the little yellow
Ohh no, what have I started. Yet another pointless conversation.
21:40
@S.S.Anne they turned the lights on?
The pool was blue and my urine was yellow.
rgb
rgb="random guy busted"
@TylerH @S.S.Anne binned per your request
If I keep using Sam's script I will never catch up with TylerH. This script closes it outside of the queue.
fear not, you'll make it there one day
@CodyGray Do you know an efficient way to find the n most common words in a string in C++? I used a map and a string_view but for a 64-megabyte size text document it's pretty slow.
These audits are not even trying: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/25534794 cc @NathanOliver
@S.S.Anne you're wondering specific implementations? or general theory/pseudo code
22:19
general theory would be nice. It should be case-insensitive and words are separated by any non-alphabetic characters.
Have you checked the answers on the question about that? I have it favorited, one sec...
Useful not just for the responses but for the links along the side, too
Hadn't seen it. Thanks, I'll take a look.
otherwise, there's all sorts of Q&A pairs across the network accessible from googling related phrases, e.g. this codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/66446/…
22:54
^ Also flag the comment on it. For some reason it didn't poof with one flag despite its contents
23:08
@S.S.Anne The most important question is how you're reading from the file. Are you mapping the file's contents to memory? MapViewOfFile on Windows; mmap on *nix.
I haven't done exactly what you're describing before. I do have a general algorithm to find the indices of the K largest/smallest elements in a range, which uses a std::priority_queue.
That's been sufficiently optimal for me, but I never stress it with huge input ranges because I'm no masochist.
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica It still feels to me like the code in the question is just the updated version, taking into account the changes from self-answer. I am not entirely sure what to think of the code, but I voted to reopen
23:29
use this code. i am sure it will be work :-c
Almost 2 years, and nobody bothered to edit that answer to fix either the grammar or the fact that it was formatted as code.
@CodyGray It was rubbish answer. I blame myself for not seeing it earlier.
@CodyGray I'm opening an ifstream based on a program argument, building a stringstream from that, and using rdbuf.
@Scratte The other day me trouble and strife fell down the apple and pairs, and I rang up me china on the dog, who thought I was having a giraffe!
@CodyGray It's for this. plz helps me makes it fasters
[fastest-code] on PPCG? Bah, humbug!
23:44
but also it's interesting.
@halfer Sometimes, it's not enough :D
@Scratte Giggle ;-)
There's five examples of rhyming slang in that sentence (en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Cockney_rhyming_slang). Three are in full, but it is common to miss out the second word, so "china" and "dog" are missing their second words.

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