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02:06
@TylerH Vote to close the question as "typo or can't reproduce"
03:00
Making rene angry what can he do? steal your O2 during the night? rash?
03:34
@BhargavRao looks like you were wrong... all 7 of mine got declined and got me flag banned 🙃
Wat
I thought it was the norm
03:51
@BhargavRao I dunno. I mean I understand the argument of 'use 20k delete votes for that' but not all the answers are negatively scored
and I def wouldn't want to make down vote in order to delete vote requests
I've anyway asked in the mod room.
I guess it depends on how people's theory of moderation works... e.g. do you decline all stuff if it could possibly be handled by non-mods? Or mark it as helpful if it's... helpful
If they all agree to decline such flags, I'll probably start to decline as well...
@BhargavRao Cool, let me know. And I don't mind about the flag ban I received from it; I rarely flag posts compared to comments
Sure, and sorry for the false information.
03:53
No worries, it may just be a mod preference thing
Rob
Rob
FWIW, I'd have deleted the flagged posts
I almost asked about it on Meta but figured since it's such a seldom thing, it's no biggie. I thought almost all of them were positively scored but turns out almost all of them were negatively scored (which would learn more toward the "20k users should delete this" camp)
@Rob it's good to know Bhargav is not the only crazy one :-P
@TylerH Yeah, but I've seen ones that are positively scored, some quite high.
03:56
@Makyen I flagged basically the bottom 7 or so scoring non-deleted answers on this post stackoverflow.com/questions/1825585/…
I have flagged some fairly high-scoring ones for it before, though... I think
Can mods deal with flags on their own content?
Rob
Rob
Nothing stopping us, but usually we don't
Conflict of interest and all that
Yeah, clear conflict of interest concern sniped
Rob
Rob
;)
That's why I asked, I assumed they could but wouldn't :)
04:01
@NickA Mods have the power (but they don't always use it)
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@TylerH Sure, if it's at <=0, then, yes, that can be handled with 20k delete votes. But, you are < 20k, so, as a normal user, there's nothing you can do about them, other than downvote. Yes, you could del-pls in here, or post a Meta about wanting to delete them, but that's really what flags are for: exceptions where the tools available to normal users are insufficient. [For those who have not read the thread, this is about duplicate answers, not just technically incorrect answers.]
@Makyen yeah, and that's more or less the reasoning Bhargav and I were operating under
I can see a valid argument for both sides, FWIW
@TylerH I've glanced at them. They look the type that's going to be a duplicate of an already existing answer, but I haven't checked in detail. If the resolution from the mod room is that mods are not going to delete such things, ping me and I'll take the detailed look I'd want to do prior to voting to delete.
@Makyen Will do; if I do that I'll list the exact answers
FWIW I think at least the bottom 10(ish) answers add nothing of use to what is already there and should all be deleted...
But I need more imaginary internet points to delete vote
04:12
@NickA ah, shucks, those're on backorder for at least another 6-8 somethings...
04:46
@TylerH Well, I guess we know now. That's important, I think
@Machavity also important is fixing typos :-P
did you see my earlier ping about your Aviation.SE question?
@TylerH Yeah, I was helping a friend move this evening. Still chewing through comments (too many people arguing in comments on my Politics.SE answers)
@Machavity flag 'em all, let Shog sort 'em out
ugh, post flag banned, and I already forgot -_-
How did you get flag banned?
Thoughts on how to proceed w/ this question? stackoverflow.com/questions/9178042/… The question itself is not a request for links but all the answers are link/library suggestions
05:04
@TylerH Probably should NAA the bad ones and leave the good one
Anyways, bedtime. I hurt from moving furniture
@Machavity nn
\o
@Machavity I'll have to leave that for someone else; I can't flag 'em til March 7th
05:24
FYI all - the burnination is in full swing - don't forget to visit the CV Queue
@Makyen can you repost Machavity's pinned message about it? The Close Queue link in it goes to a misspelled version of ...
I take it back, I miss the post flagging already for all the spam...
 
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@tripleee Just wanted to post that
yeah, brilliant minds think alike
@PetterFriberg hehe
07:57
Do edit suggestions rejected as "spam or vandalism" get forwarded to a mod?
@MichaelDodd nope, let me find it meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/348575/…
but it does feed spam ram, maybe... see next comment
Hi there!
@PetterFriberg Cheers, I'll wait and see if they try again before modflagging
08:23
This morning I had seen an answer to my question: stackoverflow.com/questions/54882751/…
but now it has been removed
but it contained some helpful code! Can someone with 10k+ rep copy/paste it to a pastebin?
This is a rare case, but it would really help me
@Basj it has been deleted by a moderator, since it was copied from an external source without attribution.
@Adriaan when I read it, there was "Here is some code (not mine)" clearly referecing that it was a citation..
could you pastebin it?
@Basj no it wasn't. Besides, it was a literal copy from another SO post, making your question a duplicate
@Basj no, as I won't be copying either without attribution. It hasn't been deleted by a mod for nothing.
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I clearly remember the "not mine" in his answer
@WiktorStribiżew I have seen this one, but IIRC, the code he posted as an answer was slightly different
08:26
@Basj 'not mine' is hardly a clarification, since it doesn't say whose it was
@WiktorStribiżew is this pastebin the code from the linked question, or from the now-deleted-answer?
@Basj there you go i.sstatic.net/l1c7p.png
it seems like everything is copied..
When a mod deletes that for no-attribution, why is everyone here copying it...
@PetterFriberg Is the code copied from the link, and is the link to another SO answer or an external site?
@MichaelDodd The link is the one Wiktor show (hence other answer)
08:29
well at least poster can't get cheat upvotes on an image.
but would be better if upvotes went to the original poster.
@PetterFriberg Thanks so much for the screenshot of the deleted question, this clarifies that it's a clear copy/paste.
@PetterFriberg I agree with the deletion in that case. That deleted answer doesn't add any new insight, user should have flagged as duplicate instead
Thanks for the clarification, as it is deleted, I was not sure if it was a copy/paste without attribution of another answer or another source
now I know, thanks
08:33
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I'll edit my question to show precisions on the use case, and why the so-called duplicate is not exactly one for the use case I need.
@Basj The only new information was this "but is only compatible with windows and requires all the Win32 packages", I think that is why it was only deleted as insufficient attribution.
Fair enough, I agree
Thanks for your help
@Basj interesting, and with a bounty. I'll do some research. pyautogui is probably the best way.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yes. The difficulty is indeed to have the keystrokes sent in the background during even 1 hour, and to be able to continue browsing on internet on the same computer without having the keystrokes arriving to the browser :)
@Adriaan I don't consider a screenshot to be a copy of code, I consider it as a way to discuss the post and clarify the issue (I also took care to not show user), but yeah there has been discussions about 10K showing deleted posts, I'm kind of on the side, what damage does it do, lets clarify the issue.
08:40
@PetterFriberg showing a deleted post is in itself not so much a problem, as well as this answer being mod-deleted for a specific rule violation. This violation has now been circumvented by presenting the OP with the content nonetheless.
@Adriaan I confirm it was not about the code itself. If it's indeed a copy/paste, I can clearly read the original instead ;) The goal was just to clarify why my question (with bounty) had an answer when I woke up (and was still half-sleeping) ;) and why 2 hours later it has been deleted. Out of curiosity.
@Basj that I told you without having to copy any ill-gotten content, but you kept pressing us to break the rules and send you the code anyway
@Adriaan I can't see how the violation has been circumvented?, it was not delete for the reason that OP can't see it.
"Kept pressing us to break the rules", please...
This escalated quickly...
the fact that any 10k+ user can see it regardless makes this rather moot anyway
08:44
Imagine: you work on a problem for days, you post a question, a few days later you post a bounty, the next day you wake up, you open your phone you see a probable answer. You take your kid to school, you come back to work, the answer has disappeared, you are just curious about what was the problem.
Now if you want to describe this about breaking the rules and a legal problem, please go on, but come on...
I view it differently @Adriaan, the post was deleted because of insufficiente attribution (probably it could also be edited, since it contained the text "only compatible with windows and requires all the Win32 packages", hence if that alone is enough as an answer (you can edit)). Whether OP of post can see it or not has nothing to do with this.
@Adriaan Ok. What do you want now?
@Adriaan What's the purpose of this discussion now?
They could if they had 10K, now is it allowed for another 10K to show it... there are mix feelings and it have been discussed on meta... I will search some.
@Basj step back for a minute, please don't escalate, Adriaan has a point lets discuss only this point.
Sorry if I did. But I don't see why we need to endlessly discuss about this.
08:49
don't think it's spam, but don't want to click on the link either. VTD
@Adriaan links to a commercial site, smells as spam
spam: lose weight while eating sausage
@Jean-FrançoisFabre The fact it's an unregistered user pushed me towards the spam flag
(my spanish is coming back sometimes)
Sounds intriguing though
08:51
I didn't want to click on the link just because it could be anything, but hey, I'm sacrificing for you guys.
Who wouldn't want to lose weight while eating sausage?
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true
(I made the "while eating sausage" part up obviously)
I suspect that the "answer" is in another language just to delay/lose spam detection, human and bot
@Basj same need here, in the question: stackoverflow.com/questions/50656751/…
Thanks @Jean-FrançoisFabre. Not sure, but isn't it a slightly different problem? while True: win.TypeKeys("w"): "However, instead of holding the key down, it repeatedly sends single letters to the game. I need a way to hold the key down instead"
@PetterFriberg I can't find meta, but I distinctly remember a discussion about (showing stuff on meta etc)
@Basj I'll post other help in your question. No need to pollute here.
09:01
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Thanks so much! (PS: I added a note at the end of the question to show the specificity here, i.e. if the app has a window then a dialog, then another active window, the keystrokes should be directed to the active window of the process, like a human user would do with his keyboard)
@PetterFriberg I remember it being discussed too, at least in comments. I wasn't able to find the discussion quickly. What I'm recalling is that a 10k user providing an image is OK, when it's for the purpose of discussing a moderation issue on SO/SE. In other situations it's discouraged, but I don't recall exactly how strongly it's discouraged, or the details of the discussion or other possible exceptions.
Without finding the discussion, I'd assume evaluate on a case-by-case basis. In this case, personally, I would have described it and given a link to the original source (i.e. the copied answer), but I would have wanted a more pressing reason in order to provide an actual copy, or image.
I would have been willing to provide an image of the moderation information (deletion reason and any comment that might have gone with the deletion action), as that appeared to be at least part of the issue and is specifically a moderation discussion.
@Makyen Too me the reason that it was posted as an answer to own post was enough, hence OP directly involved and wanted to understand exactly what was going on, but yeah I'm very on side, there is no secret here, here you go.
09:18
@JonC from my lecture notes on Bayesian statistics:
> The first section of Bayes’ work is concerned with the probabilities of events, where the term event is abstract and not further specified. It could be the event of a sunny day in London[1]: Note that the probability of that event is not exactly zero. In fact, London receives around 1400 hours of sunshine per year, which is 100 more than Reykjavik!
Must be a lie right, I mean, it always rains in England
In general according to me there is no secret with delete posts since all 10K users can see them, instead it's a trust issue (10K), to be able to delete and undelete and well also a usability issue for normal users to not see bad/delete useless stuff
In fact many bots keeps copy of answers/questions that are deleted which then later are available to all
@PetterFriberg Yeah, without seeing the discussion again, I'm not really sure why it's considered semi-secret. Sure, some things shouldn't be shared, but those can be redacted (through 2 moderators acting), or use your own discretion. Deleted contents are often still available from various archives. Ultimately, everything is covered under CC BY-SA 3.0, which grants you the right to copy, even the deleted content, but with attribution.
In this case, I would have been more hesitant, given the lack of attribution in the deleted copy and the fact that it was still available from the original.
In other words, the deleted version is a copyright violation. Thus, copying it again from that is also a violation, given that you know of the original violation.
@Makyen Violation-ception
I agree with pasting the code to another place, but screenshot for the purpose of showing why it is a violation probably is a "stretch" to call a copyright violation in itself.
09:36
@PetterFriberg Depending on what it was being used for, it could qualify for a fair-use exception, but it's definitely copying the work, unless you're claiming that the act of making the screenshot is a new creative act, creating a different work. Note that this type of argument has been litigated (photography mostly). IIRC, the resolution depends on various factors. For just a screenshot of a single page, I'd say that it would be a clear: no, it's not a new creative work, it's just a copy.
@AshishAhuja already reported ^
@Makyen I'm claiming that the screenshot was used to show why it's a violation and from the context of chat it was clear from where the original source, hence it was investigative purpose, demonstration of incorrect attribution :)
09:52
is a perma-ban option not there?
with more kicks the time increase and then there is a chat ban (mods will often come)
@treyBake That's a moderator action. RO's get to kick from the room with progressively longer times.
@treyBake we hope and expect people to be able to learn from their mistakes, and anyway, if they are not interested in this room currently, they will probably simply not come back
Ahhh I see, makes sense makes sense. That's a dream I aspire for, to be able to have that kinda Mod power
But persistent disruption without necessarily being R/A is not flaggable?
09:54
@Makyen he got into CHATLAB&Talktave to continue his behaviour; when I kicked him it was an instant 30 mins+modflag, or so the banner told me.
@MichaelDodd I saw some chat flags, I don't think you should flag it if not clear R/A, it's better to ping RO (if they are not already seeing it)
@MichaelDodd I don't think even moderators can band from a specific room. In the relatively recent past it's appeared to be all chat on one of the servers, or nothing (i.e. someone was permitted back, but told to stay out of a specific room, but they went back to that room anyway).
@Adriaan Good to know & seems reasonable. The system shouldn't allow a disruptive person to shop rooms with each room having to start over at 1 minute kicks.
@PetterFriberg Yeah, was just clarifying, situation here is under control since we have @Makyen but was just checking for future issues
I'm going to clean up the transcript a bit, but leave the discussion about how chat moderation works.
@MichaelDodd it kind of is delegate to RO's, if a room does not have available RO's that's a problem of the room that should be addressed. I guess you can raise the custom chat flag. The normal chat flag is shown to 10K hence it can be difficult for them to understand how "Seriously guys" is offensive.
but yeah before raising flag let RO handle it if they are available.
10:02
@tripleee oops, sorry.
no worries
@MichaelDodd np. It's largely about what's effective. Unless there's enough people in the room to all jump on fairly rapidly all flag the same message (and the users with <10k rep won't know which message), then the rest of the >10k users on the chat server are notified of the flag and can confirm the flag, or counter-flag. That notification provides no context. So, unless the message is spam/rude/abusive on its own some of those uninvolved >10k users are going to counter-flag, negating the flag.
@Makyen handled by a mod, see their profile
@Adriaan Thanks.
Rob
Rob
On my phone and looks like there aren't many mods around. If they continue to harass you guys on main, please ping me and I'll sort it out
(feel free to move that message to dev/null if you want to clean up)
10:17
@Rob ta. All the Dutch mods having an early vrijmibo?
@Rob I'm perfectly fine with having the message. It's helpful for people to see it, particularly if they need it. Thank you.
@Adriaan not a bad idea, at all.
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@rene I'm so happy that they have one here as well. Beer for 'only' 3CHF a bottle :P
Rob
Rob
@Adriaan not really sure what that is.. so, maybe? :)
@Rob short for vrijdag middag borrel, a well established Dutch cultural concept.
10:28
@Adriaan getting drunk is a good investment
But I have to set up stuff; laptop is coming next week, but I already received everything else (screens, docking station, keyboard, mouse, external HDD), so now I have a desk to arrange
Rob
Rob
@Adriaan guess I must be partly Dutch then
are "meaning-of [code here]" questions off-topic? My gut says yes, but I'd thought I'd double check
@treyBake I usually do close them (I think as too broad, maybe tutorial rec/unclear), and leave a comment for the OP to contact the author of the code, assuming they did not write code themselves they don't understand
@Adriaan dankes! :) and will do :)
10:40
@treyBake Usually too broad, unless it's a common enough snippet to help others
(For example, what does this mean? [first, ...rest] = someArray;)
@MadaraUchiha Ah ok, so if it's more of a potential future-learning thing rather than explain this plugin code kinda thing, it tends to be on-topic?
Correct
Ask yourself whether you see other people arriving at this problem from Google and benefiting from an answer.
\o long time no see @MadaraUchiha
o/
@Adriaan I'm lurking around pretty much all the time, just don't speak often :D
\o
10:43
@MadaraUchiha but when you do, it's words of power, capable of deciding the fate of nations
awesome, thank you :)
10:53
^ already deleted
\o not much happening this morning then?
@StephenKennedy Just a random user arriving, spouting nonsense and subsequently ending up with a 12 hour ban, but other than that not much
@MichaelDodd I'm rage quitting this room. It's too boring.
@StephenKennedy I know what you mean. Needs more over-the-top sports commentators and vuvuzelas
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@MichaelDodd I literally laughed out loud at that one. tyvm.
11:01
^ Would that count as a R/A edit?
Second time, modflagged
@MichaelDodd and more one boxes. Just add one and see what happens.....
Could really do with a diamond mod around now...
I mod flagged as well
Yeah stop rolling it back, let mod handle it
Hmm mod. elections... looks at @NathanOliver @PetterFriberg @rene
11:08
And looks like they are actively doing it to their other question.
Hiya @nko
Also Professor Fribergo \o
o/
Post locked. Here we go
@kayess I'm not even close.... I don't have 20K, I don't have sportmanship badge (no clue how to get it, since normally it's only my answer on the questions :), and yeah I would not have enough community support..
thanks @Shree for colliding our nice dance train
@kayess blank stare
@rene I was under the impression you'd already declared your candidature ;)
@rene tears eyes
11:10
Quick, hide, those stares can turn you into stone.
in the shape of a blurry flower
choo choo
ah, wrong room
Hiya @maky \o
@rene on meta "I don't (yet) have to answer my own question"
11:11
@tripleee not sure about general - but defo's unclear
and somebody deleted my +26 comment there. nice :(
certainly no mcve and unreproducible
^^ heck ye to that, just going to be one of those Fridays I fear xD
You see what happens when someone says things are slow. The universe be like "Challenge accepted."
Why can't we just appreciate what we have. smh. :P
@StephenKennedy there is no timeframe on that comment.
11:17
@rene So what kind of timeframe are we looking at? When hell freezes over?
@Nkosi No response to my \o, and blamed for everything. I'm off to SOBotics :(
@StephenKennedy I think it's 'cause the train crashed. lol
!!/blame
@Nkosi It's EJoshuaS's fault.
See it's not only you. lol
@rene Flowers tend to bloom in March
@MichaelDodd in his case: flowers tend to focus in March
11:35
you guys are on fire tonight? deleted after 30 seconds. thanks
I think I missed some mess in this room a few hours ago...
It's middle of daytime dude :D
earth rotates dude
@Makyen did the new update in the URRS removed the update button? Is this ?
@Makyen you could tamper with your script so the users who installed it automatically vote for you 😀 Wouldn't be worse than US elections.
Figured dude
11:40
of course you did :)
@Jean-FrançoisFabre That's because we don't recognize your new profile picture :p
you'll get used to it :)
@StephenKennedy Regarding my comment I left on your answer in Aviation, last time me and my wife flew back from Taipei we were treated to a nice flight over the Siberian tundras on the way back due to China Airlines' airspace restrictions :)
@MichaelDodd According to the Wikipedia article on "Freedoms of the air", which I cited in my answer, the treaty establishing the "first freedom" (the right to fly over a foreign country without landing) was never signed by Brazil, Russia, Indonesia and China. Tbh, while researching that answer I found the whole thing to be quite a complicated mess so kept the answer simple - there's less chance of being wrong that way :)
It's a Hot Network Question now.
11:57
Complains on Twitter
Right, that's the final straw. I'm going to buy this room and turn it into a car park.
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no hashtag?
12:21
^^ or pos too broad
12:57
o...k?
Zoe
Zoe
nvm, that group is negating
13:48
Morning
14:18
Hmm. I just had a 3+ year old answer get 2 up votes in the last couple of minutes. weird
Zoe
Zoe
@NathanOliver not really
I bet someone linked it somewhere
Zoe
Zoe
A new answer was posted 24 minutes ago, which bumps the question to the front page and gets it attention, which usually results in votes.
At least if the post is good
Zoe
Zoe
Assuming it's this one at least
14:20
Still better than having two long inactive questions/answers get a downvote within minutes of each other...
I frequently edit my old answer, so they get attention, and sometimes upvotes too ;)
I frequently edit my old answers, so they get attention, and never get upvotes.
lol
@Zoe That was it. Forgot that happened.
14:21
but the best votes are on old answers that you didn't edit, true fact. They should count double :)
in fact more often than not i would get a down vote in those cases
never occurred either. Disappointing
Well, my questions are not nice, so whenever someone visits my profile, he downvotes both questions.
Zoe
Zoe
Meh, assuming it's a good answer, it'll likely get votes from bumping. Not sure about self-editing vs other people editing or answering though
@Zlytherin Lol. I admire your honesty.
14:24
;)
questions are an easy downvote target, but it's worse on meta
@Jean-FrançoisFabre That's tooo true!
Zoe
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre -1 for discussing the meta effect.
:p
the fact is, once the answer is accepted you can't even delete them. Questions lie here like a sitting duck.
@Zoe I stand corrected. The meta effect is different. I was taking about downvotes on the meta posts :)
Zoe
Zoe
oooh ^^"
14:28
Who can reproduce that the update button is missing (about Unclosed Request Review Script)? Seems the last update broke it (cc @Makyen, mentioned above).
@Zoe unknown tag: . Did you mean ?
Zoe
Zoe
@double-beep nope.
@double-beep I'm not seeing an update button
Zoe
Zoe
Still sucks that the original doesn't work with SOBotics :/
14:45
How can smokey know about this flag? (just curious)
@Jean-FrançoisFabre BTW, your comment was caught here. :D
that's just great!
@Jean-FrançoisFabre It didn't. Someone else also found it: Post manually reported by suraj from the metasmoke API.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre your comment popped up in Sobotics heat detector. Used advanced flagging userscript :p
14:48
Anyway, someone already flagged it but NAA it appeared in my beloved NAA queue. It would have been deleted after a while
But each second gained to delete this crap is good.
@SurajRao And they say Skynet is complex...
can someone have a look here: stackoverflow.com/questions/39392753/…
One -1 deleted answer, and a new one (new answer) which is identical. I feel that the answer(s) are somehow legit and not NAA. Advice?
ok, made my mind. OP should have provided an example of usage. Damn I'm tired.. thanks
@Jean-FrançoisFabre might be valid (I don't know the technique) but as they stand they're link-only. Answers need to explain how that plugin should be used as well
@Jean-FrançoisFabre IMO VLQ, proposing tool and link-only
yeah of course, looks obvious now. ty
15:05
@BhargavRao any outcome from the mod discussion re: answer flagging last night?
@PetterFriberg I wish you the utmost momentum with your angular crusade
I can hardly wait for Firefox 66 to drop mainstream this month. It will block all autoplay media that contains audio by default. \o/
15:22
A new contributor who knows how to ask questions: stackoverflow.com/review/first-posts/22345651. We should have him stuffed.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre SOCVR effect comin' up.
I've seen that. I didn't ask for this. Just to lighten people up. New contributors aren't all spammers and lazy students :)
what was I thinking using all my CVs before going to bed last night T_T All these poor cv-pls going unaddressed
that's me working the first posts queue...
> I though I was a good programmer until my team decided to support IE11.
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15:31
@SurajRao lol
Zoe
Zoe
@SurajRao Today's lesson: Don't to webdev and you don't need to work with the browser that is almost worth classifying as a tool for torture.
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Ron
Ron
@NathanOliver That was an awesome dupe find. Looks like someone has been doing some serious algo design work ;)
@Ron Unfortunately I can't take credit. I've seen/used that Q before so I just typed into google get all sub sequences in n^2 time c++ and it was the first result.
Ron
Ron
It's a great dupe nevertheless.
16:07
@double-beep Sorry, the "update" button was supposed to be optional in the next version. Unfortunately, I left the call to the function that adds it commented out. My mistake. I'll re-release with it back in.
In development, actually prior to the beta being released, the update button became largely superfluous, due to automatic updates being available (if set in options) at a rate that's as frequent as the SE API policy permits, which restricts when an update requested by the "update" button can be made.
16:17
@Zoe Ahh.... I'm not quite sure what you're saying. Are you saying that the stock URRS doesn't work for you in SOBotics, or that it doesn't have the additions that Filnor added? The stock URRS should be functional in SOBotics, but without Filnor's additions (i.e. it works for me). I haven't taken a detailed look a the changes, in the hope of a PR. Hopefully they'll submit a PR this weekend. If not, I'll take a more detailed look at the changes.
Zoe
Zoe
@Makyen Mainly that Natty reports aren't handled in the same way as various *-pls requests. It shows votes and stuff like that, but that's it. The update button still shows up on this version
@Zoe I assume that version treats Natty reports like a del-pls, correct?
@TylerH Thanks, if no answer, my next step is a patch based on no answer... hence remove at least a few sub tags (a few synonyms indication :)
but I have to wait for at least a week
Zoe
Zoe
@Makyen Not sure what the difference is between that and cv-pls, but it shows A:(1234) and deleted when it's gone
so I guess yeah, it's like del-pls
Heh, irony in this duplicate banner stackoverflow.com/questions/34579814/… :-D
16:28
marked as duplicate by Deduplicator ?
@Zoe OK. Yeah, my understanding of at least one change was that Natty reports are considered "complete" when the post they are about is deleted. When "complete", the message is faded and shrunk, like completed requests in here. That's quite easy to add, but I'd been waiting for Filnor to do a PR (as it was their idea/work). In addition, I haven't actually looked at Filnor's code to see what changes they made, or if there was more than that.
@Makyen when the question will Roomba in 0 days according to the Roomba Forecaster, when the question will Roomba actually? I had downvoted some questions in the past; Roomba forecaster said 0 days and after the check in the whole tag, I returned and the question showed 7 days. Can the forecasts be a bit more detailed or that's simply not possible?
@treyBake let's just not target specific users here.
@double-beep not so much targetting, just remembered they were due back soon, the bio is one of my favourite things I've read haha - was their a blanket ban on users that I didn't know about?
@treyBake what do you mean by blanket ban?
@double-beep at the end of the UTC day or shortly after (e.g. 2AM the following morning), I can't remember which
16:40
@TylerH I took to mean that double-beep's message meant there were multiple users that were coming back - but re-reading maybe double-beep meant to not direct people towards a singular user
room rules: avoid quoting user profiles. That said, only the bio should get him banned another time...
@treyBake right; he was referring to user targeting, the practice of calling out a specific user or focusing on a specific user, as opposed to focusing on specific questions
downvoting all answers of this user right now
@TylerH yeah .. that makes most sense! Not sure why my brain took it so literally autistic twitch
@Jean-FrançoisFabre mods are fairly lenient on what folks put in the profiles
if it's not using inappropriate language or calling out specific users/threatening harm or action, they tend to let users pontificate however they like
I can see it!
Rule mentioned here.
@treyBake Let's avoid discussing a controversial user in here specifically. We don't moderate users and try to avoid discussing them in general
next time, maybe just paste the bio without link. That wouldn't break a rule.
20. Targeting users for moderation requests is forbidden. - pos may be worth changing to reflect Machavity's last message- think that could avoid confusion for scrubs like me :)
^^ that's a good point I hadn't considered before actually .. I'll play it safe from now-on and paste bio rather than user link, keeps everyone happy :)
16:46
grey area when just posting user profile not to moderate it. Just don't post links on user profiles.
@treyBake Relevant part is Keep in mind that we are concerned about both not actually targeting users, and not having the appearance of targeting users.
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@double-beep Given that you downvoted, you most likely encountered the most recent change (last month) to the Roomba, which has not yet been accounted for in the Roomba Forecaster. That change was that the 30 day Roomba does not delete unless all downvotes on the question are at least two days old. That change is not supposed to affect the other Roomba tasks.
Anyway I'm going to target this user
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@Machavity that bit is defo's more applicable!
@Jean-FrançoisFabre del-user-pls
@StephenKennedy On it.
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@Jean-FrançoisFabre Need a profile picture with your hand in your jacket
😀 I don't have any proper jacket.
Speaking of attributions, I didn't invent that self-referencing profile joke, got that from here a few months/years ago. But same goes for Rick rolling.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre But you didn't post the self-referencing profile. You posted a link to your profile :)
16:52
True! new joke then 😀 old joke used "user:me", now I remember.
@Machavity I got the Bonaparte reference BTW. Not the best part of french history. I think my ego is bigger.
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@Jean-FrançoisFabre eh, I'd much rather we target this user - just look at all that stuff!!!
^^ that user is a douche, downvote everything they've said xD
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