I guess it depends on how people's theory of moderation works... e.g. do you decline all stuff if it could possibly be handled by non-mods? Or mark it as helpful if it's... helpful
I almost asked about it on Meta but figured since it's such a seldom thing, it's no biggie. I thought almost all of them were positively scored but turns out almost all of them were negatively scored (which would learn more toward the "20k users should delete this" camp)
@TylerH Sure, if it's at <=0, then, yes, that can be handled with 20k delete votes. But, you are < 20k, so, as a normal user, there's nothing you can do about them, other than downvote. Yes, you could del-pls in here, or post a Meta about wanting to delete them, but that's really what flags are for: exceptions where the tools available to normal users are insufficient. [For those who have not read the thread, this is about duplicate answers, not just technically incorrect answers.]
@TylerH I've glanced at them. They look the type that's going to be a duplicate of an already existing answer, but I haven't checked in detail. If the resolution from the mod room is that mods are not going to delete such things, ping me and I'll take the detailed look I'd want to do prior to voting to delete.
Thoughts on how to proceed w/ this atlassian question? stackoverflow.com/questions/9178042/… The question itself is not a request for links but all the answers are link/library suggestions
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I'll edit my question to show precisions on the use case, and why the so-called duplicate is not exactly one for the use case I need.
@Basj The only new information was this "but is only compatible with windows and requires all the Win32 packages", I think that is why it was only deleted as insufficient attribution.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yes. The difficulty is indeed to have the keystrokes sent in the background during even 1 hour, and to be able to continue browsing on internet on the same computer without having the keystrokes arriving to the browser :)
@Adriaan I don't consider a screenshot to be a copy of code, I consider it as a way to discuss the post and clarify the issue (I also took care to not show user), but yeah there has been discussions about 10K showing deleted posts, I'm kind of on the side, what damage does it do, lets clarify the issue.
@PetterFriberg showing a deleted post is in itself not so much a problem, as well as this answer being mod-deleted for a specific rule violation. This violation has now been circumvented by presenting the OP with the content nonetheless.
@Adriaan I confirm it was not about the code itself. If it's indeed a copy/paste, I can clearly read the original instead ;) The goal was just to clarify why my question (with bounty) had an answer when I woke up (and was still half-sleeping) ;) and why 2 hours later it has been deleted. Out of curiosity.
Imagine: you work on a problem for days, you post a question, a few days later you post a bounty, the next day you wake up, you open your phone you see a probable answer. You take your kid to school, you come back to work, the answer has disappeared, you are just curious about what was the problem.
Now if you want to describe this about breaking the rules and a legal problem, please go on, but come on...
I view it differently @Adriaan, the post was deleted because of insufficiente attribution (probably it could also be edited, since it contained the text "only compatible with windows and requires all the Win32 packages", hence if that alone is enough as an answer (you can edit)). Whether OP of post can see it or not has nothing to do with this.
They could if they had 10K, now is it allowed for another 10K to show it... there are mix feelings and it have been discussed on meta... I will search some.
@Basj step back for a minute, please don't escalate, Adriaan has a point lets discuss only this point.
Thanks @Jean-FrançoisFabre. Not sure, but isn't it a slightly different problem? while True: win.TypeKeys("w"): "However, instead of holding the key down, it repeatedly sends single letters to the game. I need a way to hold the key down instead"
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Thanks so much! (PS: I added a note at the end of the question to show the specificity here, i.e. if the app has a window then a dialog, then another active window, the keystrokes should be directed to the active window of the process, like a human user would do with his keyboard)
@PetterFriberg I remember it being discussed too, at least in comments. I wasn't able to find the discussion quickly. What I'm recalling is that a 10k user providing an image is OK, when it's for the purpose of discussing a moderation issue on SO/SE. In other situations it's discouraged, but I don't recall exactly how strongly it's discouraged, or the details of the discussion or other possible exceptions.
Without finding the discussion, I'd assume evaluate on a case-by-case basis. In this case, personally, I would have described it and given a link to the original source (i.e. the copied answer), but I would have wanted a more pressing reason in order to provide an actual copy, or image.
I would have been willing to provide an image of the moderation information (deletion reason and any comment that might have gone with the deletion action), as that appeared to be at least part of the issue and is specifically a moderation discussion.
@Makyen Too me the reason that it was posted as an answer to own post was enough, hence OP directly involved and wanted to understand exactly what was going on, but yeah I'm very on side, there is no secret here, here you go.
@JonC from my lecture notes on Bayesian statistics:
> The first section of Bayes’ work is concerned with the probabilities of events, where the term event is abstract and not further specified. It could be the event of a sunny day in London[1]: Note that the probability of that event is not exactly zero. In fact, London receives around 1400 hours of sunshine per year, which is 100 more than Reykjavik!
Must be a lie right, I mean, it always rains in England
In general according to me there is no secret with delete posts since all 10K users can see them, instead it's a trust issue (10K), to be able to delete and undelete and well also a usability issue for normal users to not see bad/delete useless stuff
In fact many bots keeps copy of answers/questions that are deleted which then later are available to all
@PetterFriberg Yeah, without seeing the discussion again, I'm not really sure why it's considered semi-secret. Sure, some things shouldn't be shared, but those can be redacted (through 2 moderators acting), or use your own discretion. Deleted contents are often still available from various archives. Ultimately, everything is covered under CC BY-SA 3.0, which grants you the right to copy, even the deleted content, but with attribution.
In this case, I would have been more hesitant, given the lack of attribution in the deleted copy and the fact that it was still available from the original.
In other words, the deleted version is a copyright violation. Thus, copying it again from that is also a violation, given that you know of the original violation.
I agree with pasting the code to another place, but screenshot for the purpose of showing why it is a violation probably is a "stretch" to call a copyright violation in itself.
@PetterFriberg Depending on what it was being used for, it could qualify for a fair-use exception, but it's definitely copying the work, unless you're claiming that the act of making the screenshot is a new creative act, creating a different work. Note that this type of argument has been litigated (photography mostly). IIRC, the resolution depends on various factors. For just a screenshot of a single page, I'd say that it would be a clear: no, it's not a new creative work, it's just a copy.
@Makyen I'm claiming that the screenshot was used to show why it's a violation and from the context of chat it was clear from where the original source, hence it was investigative purpose, demonstration of incorrect attribution :)
@treyBake we hope and expect people to be able to learn from their mistakes, and anyway, if they are not interested in this room currently, they will probably simply not come back
@MichaelDodd I don't think even moderators can band from a specific room. In the relatively recent past it's appeared to be all chat on one of the servers, or nothing (i.e. someone was permitted back, but told to stay out of a specific room, but they went back to that room anyway).
@Adriaan Good to know & seems reasonable. The system shouldn't allow a disruptive person to shop rooms with each room having to start over at 1 minute kicks.
@MichaelDodd it kind of is delegate to RO's, if a room does not have available RO's that's a problem of the room that should be addressed. I guess you can raise the custom chat flag. The normal chat flag is shown to 10K hence it can be difficult for them to understand how "Seriously guys" is offensive.
but yeah before raising flag let RO handle it if they are available.
@MichaelDodd np. It's largely about what's effective. Unless there's enough people in the room to all jump on fairly rapidly all flag the same message (and the users with <10k rep won't know which message), then the rest of the >10k users on the chat server are notified of the flag and can confirm the flag, or counter-flag. That notification provides no context. So, unless the message is spam/rude/abusive on its own some of those uninvolved >10k users are going to counter-flag, negating the flag.
But I have to set up stuff; laptop is coming next week, but I already received everything else (screens, docking station, keyboard, mouse, external HDD), so now I have a desk to arrange
@treyBake I usually do close them (I think as too broad, maybe tutorial rec/unclear), and leave a comment for the OP to contact the author of the code, assuming they did not write code themselves they don't understand
@kayess I'm not even close.... I don't have 20K, I don't have sportmanship badge (no clue how to get it, since normally it's only my answer on the questions :), and yeah I would not have enough community support..
@StephenKennedy Regarding my comment I left on your answer in Aviation, last time me and my wife flew back from Taipei we were treated to a nice flight over the Siberian tundras on the way back due to China Airlines' airspace restrictions :)
@MichaelDodd According to the Wikipedia article on "Freedoms of the air", which I cited in my answer, the treaty establishing the "first freedom" (the right to fly over a foreign country without landing) was never signed by Brazil, Russia, Indonesia and China. Tbh, while researching that answer I found the whole thing to be quite a complicated mess so kept the answer simple - there's less chance of being wrong that way :)
Who can reproduce that the update button is missing (about Unclosed Request Review Script)? Seems the last update broke it (cc @Makyen, mentioned above).
@Jean-FrançoisFabre might be valid (I don't know the technique) but as they stand they're link-only. Answers need to explain how that plugin should be used as well
@Ron Unfortunately I can't take credit. I've seen/used that Q before so I just typed into google get all sub sequences in n^2 time c++ and it was the first result.
@double-beep Sorry, the "update" button was supposed to be optional in the next version. Unfortunately, I left the call to the function that adds it commented out. My mistake. I'll re-release with it back in.
In development, actually prior to the beta being released, the update button became largely superfluous, due to automatic updates being available (if set in options) at a rate that's as frequent as the SE API policy permits, which restricts when an update requested by the "update" button can be made.
@Zoe Ahh.... I'm not quite sure what you're saying. Are you saying that the stock URRS doesn't work for you in SOBotics, or that it doesn't have the additions that Filnor added? The stock URRS should be functional in SOBotics, but without Filnor's additions (i.e. it works for me). I haven't taken a detailed look a the changes, in the hope of a PR. Hopefully they'll submit a PR this weekend. If not, I'll take a more detailed look at the changes.
@Makyen Mainly that Natty reports aren't handled in the same way as various *-pls requests. It shows votes and stuff like that, but that's it. The update button still shows up on this version
@Zoe OK. Yeah, my understanding of at least one change was that Natty reports are considered "complete" when the post they are about is deleted. When "complete", the message is faded and shrunk, like completed requests in here. That's quite easy to add, but I'd been waiting for Filnor to do a PR (as it was their idea/work). In addition, I haven't actually looked at Filnor's code to see what changes they made, or if there was more than that.
@Makyen when the question will Roomba in 0 days according to the Roomba Forecaster, when the question will Roomba actually? I had downvoted some questions in the past; Roomba forecaster said 0 days and after the check in the whole tag, I returned and the question showed 7 days. Can the forecasts be a bit more detailed or that's simply not possible?
@treyBake let's just not target specific users here.
@double-beep not so much targetting, just remembered they were due back soon, the bio is one of my favourite things I've read haha - was their a blanket ban on users that I didn't know about?
@TylerH I took to mean that double-beep's message meant there were multiple users that were coming back - but re-reading maybe double-beep meant to not direct people towards a singular user
@treyBake right; he was referring to user targeting, the practice of calling out a specific user or focusing on a specific user, as opposed to focusing on specific questions
@Jean-FrançoisFabre mods are fairly lenient on what folks put in the profiles
if it's not using inappropriate language or calling out specific users/threatening harm or action, they tend to let users pontificate however they like
20. Targeting users for moderation requests is forbidden. - pos may be worth changing to reflect Machavity's last message- think that could avoid confusion for scrubs like me :)
^^ that's a good point I hadn't considered before actually .. I'll play it safe from now-on and paste bio rather than user link, keeps everyone happy :)
@treyBake Relevant part is Keep in mind that we are concerned about both not actually targeting users, and not having the appearance of targeting users.
@double-beep Given that you downvoted, you most likely encountered the most recent change (last month) to the Roomba, which has not yet been accounted for in the Roomba Forecaster. That change was that the 30 day Roomba does not delete unless all downvotes on the question are at least two days old. That change is not supposed to affect the other Roomba tasks.
Speaking of attributions, I didn't invent that self-referencing profile joke, got that from here a few months/years ago. But same goes for Rick rolling.