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12:02 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels okay. Well, I've rolled back to give the OP the best chance of escaping closure. I will try to tidy it up and will see if it merits my CV after that. If closure is still the best route, then fair enough
 
@halfer: I appreciate your moderation
 
12:18 AM
\o night all
 
Night! o/
 
12:34 AM
For anybody working the CV queue (when done with 🔗) I've found 10+ 🔗 (most @3-4cvs) and 10+ 🔗 (most @2cvs).
 
 
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1:45 AM
Added ~80 more questions to the CV Queue.
 
@robinCTS An auto-closer for and "where is" matcher for the title would instantly close more than half of the OT questions, all correctly.
 
2:07 AM
@Lokesh "bad question" is not a valid close reason. Including an actual close reason with your cv-pls requests is required. That a question is "bad" is a reason you might choose to down-vote, not close-vote. In addition, you will find that having an actual reason will result in more people clicking-through the request to look at/VtC the actual question.
@AndyK Please don't put the close reason in the message as a tag. As previously mentioned, just the question being homework is not a valid close reason. It can be valid to use a custom close reason that it's homework and the OP has not fulfilled the specific requirements for homework: "include a summary of the work you've done so far to solve the problem, and a description of the difficulty you are having solving it"
@Lokesh (this request) and @AndyK (this request, feel free to re-post a request with a valid close reason.
 
 
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5:22 AM
@Enzokie needs a reject edit.. random inline code syntax
 
5:40 AM
@Makyen cant vtc a bounty question.. may need mod flag
 
@SurajRao I thought that you could once the bounty was over (ended 5 hours ago). Is it still blocked?
 
@Makyen its in grace period
> Grace period ends in 18 hours
 
@SurajRao I had assumed that the block ended after the actual bounty (and could not test, as I VtC prior to the bounty being placed). Thanks for telling me.
 
5:55 AM
> I promise to widely publicise the answer in an easy tool for lots of charities to use if I can get it to work in a slick way :)
@EJoshuaS migration or general computing?
 
I voted general computing, but you could argue for it being migration-worthy
 
6:37 AM
Sorry for sudden requests... there are multiple low-quality Q at this time.
 
 
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7:37 AM
NAA? stackoverflow.com/a/47863859/5292302, seems like anopther question but not sure maybe some php peeps will know
 
7:48 AM
\o
 
PETER, what a nice name, you are only missing a t :D
 
I should add it then :p
 
Yeah why not, maybe better to add 2 or 3 of'em
 
7:52 AM
Yeah make it all T's, Petter Hattat \o
Hat-tatto rofl
Please ignore me, no sleep makes you apply weird jokes on teh interwebz
 
:D you to Katyett
 
^------------- invalid smiley detected - space missing
fp'ish
 
next year we need titles with the hats, so Peter Haddad the explorer :p
 
 
8:57 AM
which flag do you use when someone creates a new question asking for explanation of an answer to their old question?
 
@WhatsThePoint meeh the question could be valid an extension to old question, if not it's just a dupe
 
@PetterFriberg thanks, tracked down his old one, and flagged
 
9:13 AM
Hi there! Is it only me who are having 503 errors on SE sites right now?
 
wtf
 
Also alternate error message on refresh : I/O error (head)
 
@SurajRao Is this what lack of Net Neutrality looks like?
 
9:22 AM
it looks back up for now..
 
 
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10:34 AM
@VadimKotov Funny thing is, a few years ago, a non-programming question was upvoted instead of closed, and showed up as a known-good review audit for me. I tried to flag it for closure, but I failed the audit.
 
@gparyani the audit system failed on you, rather
 
Ron
Indeed. SO has evolved during the years. There should be exceptions to the rule, however. Take for example this C++ books list. It's off-topic by todays standard but I doubt anyone in the C++ community would allow for it to be deleted.
In fact that post is curated and frequently referred to in the C++ world.
 
@Ron That's why there is a lock on it, to prevent such actions.
Too bad revenue from the large number of displays/page visits means more to the company than the accordance to their own Q/A rules...
and this concludes our daily-SO-rents section
 
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Q: And the [oscar] goes to Trogdor

solarissmokeThe oscar tag is for an old and obsolete instant messaging protocol that is no longer used anywhere. It often gets mixed up with django-oscar (I've just gone and cleaned up all incorrectly tagged questions - there were about 20 tagged oscar that were actually meant for django-oscar). There are...

 
11:31 AM
thanks BR for solving that
 
12:27 PM
@FireAlarm TB/Unclear. Sloppy self-Q/A
 
I posted a question on meta chat, I would like to have your opinion about this. Because this particular dupe subject bother me.
 
^how to read json sigh
 
12:54 PM
@DragandDrop why do you want to bring it to meta? Cv as dupe not much more we can do in long term
 
Ron
Large influx of question that do not adhere to Capitalization rules.
Grammar I don't care much about, but this lowercase practice leaves much to be desired.
Other than that how is everyone feeling on this glorious Monday?
 
@Ron but that requires me to press two keys ... no can do ...
 
@Ron pfff I'm safe! I know nothing about grammar but I do respect different languages NamingConventions
 
Ron
When I see a post with all lowercase letters - my stack overflows.
 
Well that's better then all in uppercase
 
1:08 PM
^ find prime minister by recursion :p
 
@SurajRao Thank you for my daily dose of laughter.
 
@SurajRao a few years back Putin was Prime minister, and he's rather small
 
lol.. had to read it twice to confirm it :D
 
Ron
Prefer parliamentary elections to recursion.
 
:40493346, first as a lowbe I don't have CV only flag and bump to the queue. Second because on 3 question about 800k rep are answering the dupe. So i must be wrong and need to be corrected.
 
1:18 PM
@DragandDrop they didn't get that amount of rep through sitting around and answering only very, very good questions (unless this is about Skeet, of course)
 
BDL
@tripleee Why is bash programming not considered programming?
 
@BDL if you look at my top tags you'll see that I definitely regard Bash as on-topic in general but this is just asking "how do I autorun" and the script is more or less "hello world" implemented in an uncanny fashion
 
BDL
@tripleee ok. I wouldn't have closed it, but seems I'm wrong here.
@SardarUsama Strange profile of the person who wrote the answer on this.
Or better to say: Are such profile texts something one should flag?
 
1:44 PM
@BDL I don't see anything inappropriate. Sounds more like "I don't like my job and bosses, because they are idi**ts. Pretty common, I think. One should not interpret too much into statements.
 
2:29 PM
@EJoshuaS that's not a close reason
 
2:48 PM
@SardarUsama I have edited the question, and I'm pretty sure I have an answer ready to go.
 
@FireAlarm is that a customer support question?
 
@Adriaan I called it Too Broad. Not a programming question at any rate
 
@ the maintainers of the roomba forecaster: why does the 9-day roomba forecast now show 20 days? Does it indeed roomba after at least 20 days have passed and is the name in the help centre wrong, or is there another, internal reason?
 
3:04 PM
Whoa... should I flag this mess?
 
@Machavity I downvoted it for 'not enough links'.
 
@Machavity I dunno if it's flag worthy for what it can be flagged as now, but it's delete-worthy IMHO
 
@Machavity I don't think it answers the question. Could have as well posted a link to google. So NAA to me.
 
@Olaf Some might say that it answers the question 14 times... nah, I present it with a delv Xmas gift.
 
@MartinJames As mush as "read the standard and your toolchain and platform decumentation" for a C question. I don't think one would get along with it, so why here? Wasn't there something about "specific questions and answers"?
 
3:17 PM
@Olaf Maybe. Anyway, the answer was the wrong colour and the wrong shape, so I delv'ed it:)
 
@MartinJames I had, too if I could. I wonder if the question is "no mcve"-worthy. Looks thelike to me, but then it is not my field of expertise.
 
3:34 PM
@Adriaan I disagree, it is a close reason. From the on topic guide: "Questions asking for homework help must include a summary of the work you've done so far to solve the problem, and a description of the difficulty you are having solving it."
 
@EJoshuaS Brilliant, still doesn't make it an explicit close reason (unless you mean custom->homework dump). No effort is an explicit down vote reason, and homework usually falls in the category too broad, which is an explicit close reason
 
@Adriaan I agree - "gimme teh codez" isn't in and of itself a close reason for "ordinary" questions, just for homework. I probably should've made that a custom close reason.
 
@wandadars The OP nowhere stated or even remotely/implicitly implied what you suggested for an edit. I'm rejecting your edit.
 
4:05 PM
@SardarUsama What exactly is making the OP's question too broad? Asking how to create and represent a 3D voronoi tessellation in MATLAB seems specific.
 
4:20 PM
@wandadars but we're not here to do the work for them. What is keeping them from achieving that? What is their input, output, their attempt, errors, a misconception about what 3D thigies are?
 
@mickmackusa: Looks like sometimes it helps explaining friendly why a question is off-topic and that is should not be answered;-) (I was surprised myself he followed my recommendation)
 
@rene those "3D thigies" are awesome and usually what makes your games work: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronoi_diagram
 
I believe you
@Adriaan For a rather simple concept they have a invented a lot of synonyms for it ...
 
@rene Jup. No idea why :P
 
@Adriaan Roomba Forecaster's shown that number since it's release in Feb. of this year. That number of days, as of its latest release (last March), was when questions were actually deleted (I followed multiple questions through on-hold->closed->deleted). However, when Roomba deletes questions has changed since then. It used to be that deletion was >9 days after actual closure (vs. "on hold"). It's now 9 days after "on hold". An update, including GM4 compatibility, is in testing (6–8).
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4:35 PM
@Makyen thanks for the update!
 
@Adriaan np. I'm happy to do it. Sorry it, and multiple other script updates, keep getting delayed.
 
4:50 PM
@wandadars 'making no effort' and 'asking for code' are making it that
 
@SardarUsama I see now. Thanks for the clarification.
 
After a morning of closing questions, I want to throw hammers at the wall
 
5:40 PM
Sorry, the quote is, "Please provide a solution"
 
JAL
5:52 PM
Should this be closed as not a programming question? Real world applications of Binary heaps and Fibonacci Heaps
 
@JAL if it wasn't edited I would say no ...
but now ...
 
JAL
6:08 PM
@rene yeah blame the editor who bumped it back to the front page
 
o/ jal
 
JAL
o/ hey
@Mogsdad sorry I missed you when you were in NYC, I've been traveling for the past few weeks - New Orleans and Chicago
 
@JAL Maybe we can meet up in January? I'll be in SanFran during the last week!
 
JAL
lol
 
Life's like that, right?
 
JAL
6:14 PM
Always
I started a new job which takes me to Chicago once a month. Hoping to see @NathanOliver eventually
I'm just sad that I need to travel there during the winter
 
Our office is at 7th & 34th... it was chilly but gorgeous there last week.
 
JAL
Nice, I'm not too far from you, 23rd st and 7th ave
 
Neat - I should be back in March or April, and will ping you again. I've been there about once a month since June, but the project that was for has launched, so I won't be back as frequently.
 
JAL
Sounds like a plan
 
If you happen to know any iOS devs looking for something there, let me know.
hint hint
 
6:19 PM
Hmm, should we close this question. Not sure if it's an offsite request or not
 
@Machavity Too Broad would cover that. I don't see it as a pure request, although it will tend to get "read this" or "use this tool" responses.
 
@Mogsdad Works for me. Thanks
 
is it just me, or is the "d" at the end of Mogsdad cut off?
 
Daily close vote limit reached; please try again in 5 hours. 凸(゚Д゚#)
@gunr2171 Just you
 
hum, weird
 
JAL
6:23 PM
@Mogsdad lol I need to hire more iOS devs too
 
@gunr2171 Mine says Mogsmom. I just blamed Tim Post and moved on
3
 
:P
 
JAL
@gunr2171 I just got the "Ooh, Shiny!" hat. I bet you get it when you close a question
 
@JAL Ooh, Shiny!
 
oh, that's what it's for
just zoomed in a lot
I'm guessing it's because the name is italics
 
6:36 PM
@gunr2171 That's going to be OS/OS config/windowing system/browser/browser (font) config specific (at least). For me, the last d is distinct (only checked Firefox and Chrome).
 
hum. I'm using W10 Chrome.
 
@gunr2171 I was able to duplicate the issue when I reduced the zoom in Chrome to 90%.
 
6:54 PM
@mason How in the world did that get up to (8-1) on SO?
 
@ThomasWeller this is me being very pedantic, but in c# you can use upper case String instead of string, but as you said that's not the "default"
 
@mason In the future, please provide a more detailed close-reason for your cv-pls requests. "off-topic" is insufficient, as it covers many different close reasons. On SO, "off-topic" includes all of: General computing (Super User, but really anything that "doesn't belong here"); belongs on Server Fault; is a Resource request; No MCVE (debugging question which doesn't fulfill requirements); Typo/Not Reproducible; Migration (to a few different, but not all, sites); and Other: custom reason.
 
I also say to a person who has a higher badge score in c# than myself, so that person already knows that full well
 
@gunr2171: :-)
@LynnCrumbling: It had a bounty, which also explains why the question was not closed before.
 
Indeed it does...
You would have thought with that much attention, though, it would've gotten downvoted to nothing. People that answer bountied questions seem to generally know what is off-topic...
 
7:05 PM
@LynnCrumbling: that's true. Sometimes moderators even refund the bounty just to migrate it.
 
very little in the cv queue... someone needs to seed some
 
8:02 PM
While well everyone's intentions were good, that ended up being inappropriate.
 
8:18 PM
jquery edit with 1 approve and 1 reject stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/18292320 make your choice if you know jquery
 
@PetterFriberg Roub-ed out of the queue
 
9:15 PM
Hey, I said something before which has been interpreted as "please vote for my stuff because I'm close to getting a badge". I didn't mean it that way. Please don't vote for my stuff just because you want to give me fake internet points. Sorry about that. I'll be more careful with my selfish plugs in the future.
 
what badge?
 
@gunr2171: I don't think that's the reason. I would rather have downvoted, if I interpretedyour statement like that. It just seemed to me that you're excited about it and you'd be happy when you get it.
@Peter: C# silver badge
 
@gunr2171 downvote all the gunr posts
 
And now he thinks he has cheated because of 2/400 upvotes.
 
true, but the end result was multiple people upvoting me. Good intentions or not, it's not right
but anyways, time to drive home. Snowing out right now : (
 
9:25 PM
The fact that you're lurking in SOCVR is good enough
 
@gunr2171 you should ski home, instead
 
not enough snow for that. I can still see pavement
 
You know what I miss
browser status bars
 
@Mogsdad Why?
It's just a NaA, not spam.
It's a user who posted a question, which involved mentioning their website, as an answer.
 
wrong command... meant only to delete the sd post because bhargav already deleted the answer
 
9:34 PM
So can you please overwrite/delete your feedback?
Deleting the message won't help.
Or just replying 'n' to Smokey.
Which will overwrite your previous feedback.
 
like that, @Mithrandir? Metasmoke says I don't have privs.
 
...okay, that should have overwritten the previous feedback, but it didn't?
Try a direct reply?
 
Re-tried link you gave, and it got me there.
It did NOT when I had to go through auth.
 
@Mogsdad But you appear to have deleted the wrong feedback.
Can you please delete the 'tpu-' one?
@Mogsdad Yeah, you didn't have a Metasmoke account before.
 
@Mithrandir Looks like "no". I get no actions on it.
 
9:38 PM
Huh. That's odd.
 
user4639281
I blame unicorns
 
user4639281
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I have a question that you are uniquely qualified to answer.
 
user4639281
not programming related.
 
user4639281
well... it is, but more programming question related.
 
user4639281
maybe not, nevermind
 
9:44 PM
 
Thanks for getting all our attention @TinyGiant
 
user4639281
You're welcome.
 
I know
 
user4639281
I know
 
10:12 PM
Is C# Listen TCP Port too broad? All four answers are link-only NAA to the same documentation.
 
user4639281
@CyRossignol In its current form yes "where to start" is not an on-topic question, but if it was "How can I go about doing..." it may be more on-topic. I know nothing about c# though so I don't know if the task itself is too broad or not. None of those answers are LOA's though, they all propose a solution (most solutions being the TcpListener class). The fact that they link to the documentation for the class they're suggesting doesn't make them link only.
 
@CyRossignol I would say yes.
 
10:28 PM
@SmokeDetector is old. Close and delete imo
 
@CarrieKendall I agree that the reason used for closing, resource request, doesn't seem to fit. However, it sounds much more like a system administration question to me, that's not "unique to software development". @robinCTS @gre_gor Would either of you like to comment as to why this qualified for closure as a resource request?
 
@TinyGiant Thanks, I will retract the answer flags. Those do feel more like comments, but the link in your profile cleared up my understanding :)
 
imo, it's basically "Kestrel is a new web server and microsoft suggests using a proxy server in front of it. Why?" and that is easily on topic here
 
@Makyen using that serverhost/appcontainer is a tool used by developers. Asking about its applicability is on-topic.
 
user4639281
^ agree
 
10:35 PM
^ better words
 
user4639281
I know, agree is a much better words, isn't it?
 
:( damn you
 
user4639281
:P
 
anyways, it also just pisses me off that it was so robo-closed
 
@rene I see that it could be related to programing, but it largely sounds like system administration to me. Where is the cut-off to be? Are questions about how to configure Apache on-topic? It doesn't seem unique to software development, unless we want to say that all deployment of software and how to set up systems to handle such is also. Where should that line be drawn?
 
user4639281
10:42 PM
@Makyen Configuring and installation of software is off-topic. Use of the software for programming purposes is on-topic
 
user4639281
I would classify that question as "Why must I use this programming tool if I want to accomplish X programming task?"
 
^ agree
^ better words
 
^agree
 
user4639281
agree always seems to be better words
 
agreed
 
10:49 PM
Can someone explain to me why this audit is not too broad?
 
@NickA no down or close votes == good audit. I close voted as TB :P
 
@Adriaan Sorry Adriaan I don't understand, you've said no dv/cv == good audit, yet you've close voted as TB, does that mean it is or isn't too broad?
 
@TinyGiant That's not how the question sounds to me. The question sounds more like "I have this app that I want to use on Linux/Apache. Do I have to do X?" It does not say "I wrote this app, which I want to test on a Linux machine..."
 
that's not what it says at all, idk if you're generalizing
 
@NickA I think it is too broad, the system thought it was perfectly fine, because of no down and close votes. Now that I close voted, the system no longer considers this a good audit. Nothing to help you, sorry, but at least for future reference/
 
user4639281
10:54 PM
@Makyen I get the distinction that you're trying to make there, but I don't agree that it matters.
 
@Adriaan Ah I see, is that all the system looks at for CV audits? vote count and cvs?
 
@CarrieKendall It says "I want to host an ASP.NET core app on linux".
 
@NickA c++, I don't touch it but maybe @user0042 or @Olaf can chime in to explain why it is not too broad. I can only expect that ambiguity is a common thing among C++ devs and they like questions that present such bugs. Something like that ...
 
i think you were just generalizing (mentioning apache), but he isn't necessarily wanting to use another web server, hence the question
 
@NickA @NickA I'm not a C++ expert, but I generally do consider such questions too broad. It's a typical homework/test question and should show some effort. This one does not even state OPs opinion.
 
11:00 PM
@NickA @rene No the question is not too broad. In fact it's quite obvious why the two template definitions are ambiguous. Not a great question, but certainly not TB.
 
C++ is UB for me ...
 
Interestingly, I had another audit some hours ago which I also consider close-worthy (IIRC, it was the "gimme teh codez" style). Problem is, rules have changed since the early days. I sometimes wonder who puts such questions as audits. Or is that done automatically? If yes, how does the algorithm know if a question is not too broad? There is no "not to broad" vote.
 
@Makyen If I remember correctly, I voted that one General Computing.
 
@Olaf leave open audits are on not closed, not down voted questions and +5 upvotes, you can work out how the closed audits are selected
so yes, it is automatic
 
@user0042 That doesn't really answer the question, what I want to understand is why doesn't that question just boil down to "What's wrong with this code", because that's what it looks like. And just because the answer is obvious to you doesn't mean it is to everyone, can you post an answer to it?
 
11:04 PM
@rene The problem is "not closed" does not imply they are not close-worthy. So if that's the ways they are selected, failing such an audio does guarantee zero.
 
@user0042 I don't mean it cannot be easily answered. For homework additional restrictions apply. It is much the same as "explain me this code" questions.
 
@Olaf yep.
 
@NickA Then the close reason would be more unclear than too broad still. Feel free, I said it's not a great question, and I don't want to answer it.
@Olaf ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
@CarrieKendall I didn't intend to imply that the person asking wants to use a different web server. What I was trying to get to is: Where is the line between unique to software development and something that's system administration work in support of delivering SW to customers? If a question about how to configure a system to be able to use a particular web server (Kestrel) to serve web pages is on-topic, then why are not all questions about how to do the same for all web servers not on-topic?
 
11:07 PM
@rene Thanks, I'll read it once I got more time. Until then, I retract from this discussion. (busy otherwise and a bit drunk; the Port and Stilton were way too good)
 
@user0042 Don't worry I'm not forcing you to, just a friendly request as I don't understand the ambiguity in it :)
 
@user0042: For my understanding: The ellipsis (...) in the audio code, is that some kind of variadic syntax or just something OP left out?
 
Hi all! o/
Found a nice pass-time for mjolnirs. XD stackoverflow.com/…
 
@Olaf I had the same question but didn't dare to ask ...
 
@Olaf Surprisingly, there are not a lot of questions matching and "where is". and "find" is better, but still disappointing. So much for a robo auto-closer :-(
 
11:12 PM
@rene better ask and look stupid than not to ask ;-)
 
@BaummitAugen \o
 
@robinCTS Did you try "where can" as well?
 
@Olaf These are variadic template parameter packs, yes.
 
@robinCTS Yesterday when I worked on that queue, there were quite a lot. I have an alternative expalantion why there are not that many (currently).
 
11:15 PM
@Olaf Yeah. I thought of the same explanation too - already closed.
 
@user0042 Ok, in that case the ambiguity is obvious. @NickA How does the compiler decide which template to use for the instantiation? (unless I missed a rule of "explicit parameters before variadic - as I wrote, I'm not a C++ expert).
 
@NickA No. Just did, though. Got roughly the same as "where is", just a little better.
 
@Olaf I don't understand why it wouldn't pick the first as it is specific on the int but my C++ starts becoming limited around the beginning of templates
As OP said in their first comment
 
@NickA I never worked with templates and my last C++ code written was roughly 20 years ago (I tried later, but never found the time). Both are actually possible. If this would be allowed, it would IMO cause much more problems than helpful. Just consider a new header is added which provides this specialisation unexpectedly. C++ is not really good for duck-typing;-)
 
And indeed, when running it, it does use the first one, at least when built using VS2015
and according to comments, clang 6 is also fine with it, although GCC 7.2 has issues
 
11:28 PM
@NickA Yes, looks like it's GCC specific: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/b964d848d624d92a
 
@user0042 So what are the criteria for closing as "Cannot be reproduced"
for future reference
 
@NickA Looks like the question should be edited to make the GCC context clear. I'm no longer sure if it is closeworthy.
 

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