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6:18 AM
@Makyen I've edited my question in order to try to improve it, given your guidelines. Please take a look at it and consider undeleting it.
@HovercraftFullOfEels What do you think of the improved question?
 
6:59 AM
@gparyani The changes are an improvement; it's more clearly a debugging question. However, it lacks a MCVE, which is required for debugging questions. Questions (and Answers) must be self-contained. While they can refer to off-site resources for additional background, the minimum information necessary to understand the Q or A must be in the post. That means that the code which is causing the NPE and enough of the call-chain needs to be in the question for the problem to be deterministic.
For using external resources, the thing to do is look at it from the point of view of: what happens if the off-site resource goes away? If nobody can find the code at gridworld.info, then the question has far less value, and would be essentially unanswerable. This is why a MCVE is required to actually be contained in the question for debugging questions.
Creating a Minimal, Complete, Verifiable Example (MCVE), is a significant process. It can require considerable effort. It's not uncommon for people to find and fix their problem themselves by putting in the work to create a MCVE (which can often be a completely separate program). However, putting out the effort to created a MCVE is required for debugging questions.
 
@Makyen The bug is in the library itself, not in my code. I didn't write the library. Also, the bountied answer contains the code which causes the exception.
 
@gparyani which question is this
 
hi all
 
@gparyani So? You are specifically asking for debugging of the library, not your code. The code which you are asking to be debugged needs to be in the question (i.e. a MCVE of the library code needs to be in the question).
 
7:09 AM
@HiI'mFrogatto \o
 
well, I don't necessarily agree with deletion
deletion is for stuff that "no way this can become useful"
 
15 hours ago, by gparyani
@HovercraftFullOfEels If you read the answers, you'll see that the bug is in the library. The library in question hasn't been updated for years, and the question is useful to anyone else facing the same issue.
 
As for guys who are looking for the answer for this problem, we need to use two while(1) loops. In example 2, we need to do it after accept() and need to handle 'read, write` there. In example 3, we need to it after fork() inside if and again needs to do read, write there only. Thanks for not knowing the answer and alternatively putting this on hold. @AnttiHaapala — Sunny Singh 47 secs ago
 
Did chat just bork out for a moment?
 
nope? worked for me
 
7:18 AM
I couldn't load it for about a minute, then I checked isup.me and it said it was down. It is up now, and now that site says so too.
 
@gparyani Did you ever file a bug, with an explanation of the problem and solution?
 
@Makyen Initially, before posting the question, I emailed the developer but didn't receive a response or an update. A year later, I emailed the developer about this bug one more time, and he responded with a link to that question, telling me that I should follow the steps there and recompile it.
I replied back asking if he could incorporate the fix into the library and release an update, but he didn't respond
@Makyen Why'd you ask?
 
@gparyani To gauge the expected level of usefulness of submitting a bug report.
 
I get the impression that he's directing people who contact him about this bug to this question, though that may not be the case
 
7:34 AM
@gparyani While that's possible, it seems like more work than unpacking the archive, making the change, repacking and putting the updated version on the server (and adding a new version to the changes shown).
 
@Makyen I think it's easier, because he probably reads just the first few lines of his email, Googles the issue, finds this question, and links it (without bothering to read the entire email).
Also, I think the bounty should be given back to the user who actually discovered the cause of the bug and the actual fix
 
 
3 hours later…
10:16 AM
meh, maybe too broad is better ^
 
11:05 AM
Unclear.. my new rule is never vote too broad
 
@Petter my new rule is to eat more biscuits... I think my rule's way better :)
 
12:10 PM
@JonClements heeh yeah you are a lucky one... be sure I will not complain if you get too broad :)
 
Ahh... but by your own rules you're not allowed to say I'm "too broad"... you'll just have to remain "unclear" on what rotund shape I am :)
 
Exactly
 
@JonClements so when are you coming over? @rene will lend you a basket to sleep in, I'll bring the whisky
 
Shortly? :)
 
you're quite short, yes.
 
12:14 PM
It's the lens that was used! :)
 
12:39 PM
@JonClements you're not short and fat?!?
 
Well... yes... but not that short and fat :)
 
I see there are more people in here now (was a ghosttown earlier) Can I get a fifth reopen vote @ stackoverflow.com/questions/47846237/…
 
1:10 PM
^ utter spammer.
^ attracts spam.
 
@J.Steen that answer in on voximal.. curious seeing it twice today.. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/360780/need-voximal-tag
maybe I am reading too much into it
 
Nah, I found the question following that person's spam-answers.
They're not off to a great start with their Stack Overflow experience.
 
@gparyani is that the q you want to close or the dupe target?
 
@SurajRao The question that should be closed
 
@J.Steen all lot new users jump in thinking it as a regular forum and stumble..
 
1:22 PM
@SurajRao When you come to SO from Google, it looks at first just like a normal forum
 
@gparyani well its pretty old.. was there recent activity in there?
 
@SurajRao Actually, now that I'm reading it, I think the other one should be a dupe, while this one is the target, because the linked one has better answers
@SurajRao Well, we should still close them, because they are duplicates
 
@SurajRao They've been here for a year. They should have learned, by now, how not to use Stack Overflow.
 
ah.. didnt see that..
 
I like doing forensics.
 
1:28 PM
@gparyani please read rule 11 in the FAQ .. Dont think your question fits the category
 
So I tend to try and find out the circumstances. ;)
Of course, I might start getting my spam-flags denied, for creating so many flags...
 
@J.Steen I confine flagging in charcoal room :p its easier to figure out the spam ones
 
Ah. Never done that.
 
^ or no mcve
 
1:46 PM
I'm running out of flags on these spam-answers... heh.
Oh well. Enough for today.
This... feels seriously too broad, or opinion based: stackoverflow.com/questions/47855809/…
Right? Wrong?
 
I think so.. Maybe suited on softwareengineering.SE
 
2:45 PM
^ general computing?
 
3:37 PM
@SurajRao FYI: that is not even programming related. Possibly SU.
 
@Olaf yeah general computing is one of the reasons..
 
@SurajRao More "prof. network/server admin". A normal user will hardly set up a mail server. But AFAK there is a dedicated "other site" CV-reason for SU.
 
a normal, or abnormal?
or, amoral user?
 
@JohnDvorak Better^?
 
3:41 PM
both "normal" and "abnormal" fit, thus my question
 
@Olaf if you mean migration.. not sure SU or ServerFault will welcome a post which lacks MCVE..it linked to a youtube video for steps to repro
 
(how does your comment show up before my post??)
@SurajRao Yeah, I'd voted as the first reason, no migration hint. That löoks like some univerrsity. If they hire someone doing administration by obscure YT videos and not even reading the manuals (apparently), they are doomed from the beginning. Reading this question gave me shivers. Another bot in the net.
 
Hi all! o/
 
@BaummitAugen o/
 
\o
 
4:03 PM
Are we allowed to request "please flag as spam" here?
 
You can report to smokey at least. Has the same effect.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Maybe a custom mod-flag explaining why (I assume the address?). I VtC as unclear, though.
 
4:20 PM
@Olaf: moot point now as the user has been blasted to oblivion by the site.
And yes, I did report him/it.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Hmm, I still see the question and the account. Maybe I missunderstood you. Did you mean this FireAlarm message chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/40484839#40484839 ?
 
@Olaf: No, I meant this one.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Oh, Yeah, tat is definitively blatant spam. There is no link here for this post. The FireAlarm link was the most recent and I thought you meant this one.
 
5:10 PM
@gparyani As @SurajRao mentioned, cv-pls requests should be for questions which fit the criteria mentioned in #11 in the FAQ. If you change your mind about a cv-pls, or other request, please ping an RO to have the request removed. Which question should be a duplicate of the other is important. I agree with you that it should be the opposite of what you requested.
 
@Makyen Yes, I'll remember next time.
 
5:42 PM
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Q: Should we burninate [gaming]?

Li357Currently, the gaming tag has 330 questions, most of which are relating to the creation of games or creation of game-related plugins/software, etc. I don't see the point in this tag because it conveys no real information. It's overly broad and doesn't give the reader any more information than the...

 
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Hello o/
 
Ron
o/
 
user4639281
How's the giant wall of crap this fine Sunday morning? Any good discounts on handbags?
 
6:32 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Yes, requests for flagging as spam are fine here. The format from the FAQ is: [tag:spam] https://stackoverflow.com/q/12345 However, it's more common to see: [tag:flag-pls] [tag:spam] https://stackoverflow.com/q/12345. If you have SmokeDetector privleges, it's more effective to report to SD: !!/report https://stackoverflow.com/q/12345. The examples show a question URL, but answers are more common.
 
@Makyen: thanks
 
how to tell if one has SD privs?
didn't SD learn?
 
Gotta ask someone with priv-giving priv. =D
 
@AnttiHaapala In the commands for SD, it's: !!/amiprivileged Like:
!!/amiprivileged
 
@Makyen ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
6:46 PM
!!/amiprivileged
 
@AnttiHaapala ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
 
1 hour later…
8:12 PM
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General question to editors/voters/mods here. Where a user posts identical answers to several questions, I flag them with a custom note, and add a message to say that this is discouraged. Mods will give me 100% backup on this, and will delete (n-1) answers that are less disruptive. What is your view when answers are substantially copy+pasted but not identical?
I have an example of an answer with 5 paras (most of the answer, which in itself looks useful) as obvious copy+paste, and I suspect the user has a long history of it.
 
@halfer If the answer is tailored to the question I would leave it, if it is just a means to get by the plagiarism verdict I would flag, but explain and link to enough evidence to make the issue clear.
 
@rene: is it OK with ROs here if I put a Gist/diff link in (that does not identify OP) so I can get your/room views on it? I am a bit nervous about troubling mods, having recently irritated them twice.
 
@halfer well, we are quick to find out who it is so I don't fancy that.
 
OK.
I might ask a general Meta Q on it at some point, but I'm at a low ebb on quality issues atm, so will have to wait for my energy levels to bump up :-)
 
@halfer you can irritate mods as much as you want, as long as you accept that hey have the final say. Don't go looking for justice if you have a declined flag.
@halfer still worth trying to not blame a user.
 
Ron
8:23 PM
@halfer Btw, if you need a custom made cat shelter - don't buy it from me. My stray adopted cat doesn't like the one I've made.
 
@rene Yeah, I don't mind declined flags, it's the hostile^Wterse notes that accompany them that bother me.
 
@halfer they are just reminders to get your act together
 
@Ron heh, I bought a scratch post for mine, she sniffed it and never troubled it again!
@rene heh, "getting ones act together" is not something that can be demanded of volunteers (on either side) :-D
 
I think it can due to their role but I see enough users that believe otherwise
Whatever sails your boat
 
8:53 PM
@JarrodRoberson Not true -- I did list them in my answer (which you down-voted). Sigh.
 
9:45 PM
A lot of 10k-eligible worthless questions here (upvoted questions w/ no answers won't Roomba but are worthless): stackoverflow.com/…
 
10:05 PM
@SmokeDetector self-deleted after revision; I rolled back anyhow. Is that the correct way to go?
 
10:21 PM
@Adriaan yes, it is.
 
@rene phew Good to know
In other news: I finally finished Война́ и миръ by Лев Толсто́й. One of the best books I have ever read, and in my opinion worthily regarded as one of the greatest books ever to be written in any language. It took me a year to read all the 1500 pages, but it was certainly worth it.
 
@Adriaan that is 5 pages per day ...
 
@rene I read only in the train or when at my parents. I have too much unrest in my own home to read.
I fact: I just read the last 40-odd pages in my favourite bar, just to have the tranquility I needed :P
 
Isn't there still an ambtenaren train from The Hague to Heerlen? That would give you plenty of time to read ....
 
@rene mhm, problem is: government no longer pays my train journeys :p
 
10:31 PM
Bad government! ;)
 
Exactly!
 
 
1 hour later…
11:40 PM
FYI: I have answered the above as a Community Wiki, since I didn't think it was high enough quality for me to gain rep for it
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels could you not just roll back to the last good Q state?
 
@halfer: I could, but I still think that the question is low-quality and should be closed/deleted.
And rolling back won't change that.
 

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