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12:21 AM
 
@user0042 Would be not the first time gcc is correct where others err. The question is what the standard says.
 
@Olaf Was my 1st thought as well (at least regarding MSVC), but Clang accepting that is a stronger indication that this might be a bug in GCC. Though not really an off-topic or TB question, as was originally asked by @Nick for the audit fail.
I'm no angel, but is that guy drunk? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/360859/…
 
12:38 AM
@user0042 Well, AFAIK clang and gcc are not identical in error reporting either. Sometimes one, other time the other is stronger/correct. From C _Generics I know there are various implementations, none is wrong as the behaviour is badly specified (there is a defect report). Whatever it is, a compiler failing/accepting that code is no proof at all. What does the standard say?
 
@Olaf Sure asking about clarification from standard would be the correct question.
 
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1:01 AM
@Makyen I disagree with the emphasis on "unique to software development". Many questions can exist on multiple sites, but that has never been a reason to migrate. If the question is off-topic here and on-topic somewhere else then it should be migrated. Again the important point being that we don't determine our scope by the scope of other sites. We determine our scope based on what is on-topic here, and the use of a programming tool for programming purposes is on-topic here.
 
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Generalizing here, but if the software under discussion wasn't server related, but rather a post-processor or some part of the compiling / linking process, there would be no question of topicality. Your objection depends on the argument that because the software is server related, it is no longer on-topic here, even though the task is a programming task, and the software is being used for programming related purposes.
 
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That would be along the same lines of shipping off any question related to wordpress to the wordpress site, or drupal questions to the drupal site, or sql questions to the dba site, etc, etc. There is a lot of overlap in the scope of some of the technology related sites.
 
1:25 AM
@user0042 Looks like they deleted my attempt to joke, and any comments about it.
 
1:38 AM
@TinyGiant The on-topic page is clear that to be on-topic a question must be "a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development". Questions also have to fit one of the other criteria, but "unique to software development" is required. If the question is not "unique to software development", then it's off-topic. I'm determining scope by what's explicitly stated on the on-topic page as on-topic, not by what's on-topic on other sites.
@TinyGiant There are lots of analogies which could be used here. A alternate one could be that a web server is equivalent to the process of physically copying, packing, and shipping software to a distributor (ISP) who then delivers it to customers. I don't think you would say that a question of how to configure that process is on-topic.
@TinyGiant No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm not even saying that the process of configuring the infrastructure necessary to get your software to your customers is off-topic here. I'm saying we should either consider all such to be on-topic, or that we should consider all such to be off-topic (unless the question specifics indicate it's firmly software development). I'm also saying that I've semi-routinely seen questions closed which are about configuring web servers/SQL servers, etc.
 
1:53 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels We hate fun, ya know :-P ...
 
2:06 AM
Indeed. Meta is a magnet for cluster B personality types
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels "Drama queen" was a frequently used term at MSO, wasn't it? Is that banned as rude now?
I prefer my regular developer's Asperger disorder. Even when acting, I'm far from giving the Diva, or Drama Queen.
 
@Makyen [1 of 2] I'm trying to work out which way I did vote, as I'm now thinking my previous comment was incorrect. Can you remember if the closed question had a resource request sub-reason section listing all 5 users? (Is it possible to find out now, given that the question has been re-opened?)
[2 of 2] I definitely recall in the past sometimes my name being added to a close reason even though I voted differently, whilst other times not. I've tried searching Meta for a clear answer as to exactly when this difference occurs. My best guess on what is supposed to happen is that all 5 users are shown in the main reason, whereas only the appropriate users are shown in the sub-reason(s). Can you confirm?
I have a suspicion that this doesn't gel with my observations. I'll be keeping track in future to see if I'm imagining it or not.
 
@robinCTS There are many questions appearing at Stack Overflow where more than one of the regular close reasons applies. Even if the question was edited to overcome unclearness it often appears TB, POB or missing an MCVE (etc.).
I won't bother that much catching up the exact final close reason for an obviously off-topic and unsalvable question.
 
2:21 AM
@user0042: yeah, "drama queen" is out, which is why I prefer "Cluster B", since it is a standard medical term, right out of the latest DSM manual.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I. <3. SCIENCE!
 
@user0042 Yeah, I forgot about the case where there is more than one main reason. It's even more complicated than I wrote in my previous comment.
 
@robinCTS I was going to comment to you on this, but got distracted by the on-/off-topic discussion. All five users were listed under the "resource request" sub-reason, in addition to being listed as closing. My understanding of how it works is: If the close reason is a primary reason (on the first page of the close dialog: Duplicate, Unclear, Too Broad, Primarily Opinion Based), then all users are listed as closing (once) with the reason specified. If the close reason was
off-topic:sub-reason, then the user is only listed (a second time) under the one they actually voted for. This can result in not all users being listed a second time when a off-topic:sub-reason was the close reason. A minimum of three users will be listed. Under some conditions, it's possible to have two off-topic:sub-reasons listed. In which case, those who voted for each one are listed with their reason. In that case, it's possible to have only 4 of the users listed a second time.
 
@user0042 ...which has been reopened :-( As for the exact reason I chose, it was more to do with trying to work out if there is a bug or not. For that particular question, I can actually see myself as having voted to close as either" General Computing" or "Resource Request". (Barring a bug, it looks like I did vote as "Resource Request".)
I was going to post a comment explaining why I could have did vote as resource request, but I suspect this either might not be taken as constructive by Carrie or has run its course. Do you agree @Makyen? (Apparently @user0042 does ;) )
 
2:38 AM
@robinCTS I didn't dig deeper into the question in question FYI
 
@robinCTS It appears to have run it's course. I only pinged you because I was interested in why it ended up with that close reason, not because I didn't believe it should be closed. In part that's because from the CV-review queue I've been seeing a variety of questions with close reasons that don't appear applicable. [Not saying or trying to imply that's you. I don't know who, as I've only seen them while in the process of closing (i.e. can see votes, but not who). That's coincidence only.]
 
2:55 AM
@Makyen I have noticed the same wrt inapplicable close reasons and I vote otherwise for those questions. That's why I was a little riled to be called a "robo-reviewer" ;) I suspect, however, that my, along with some other users', definition of resource request is a bit broader than yours - I remember a discussion you had with somebody in the last couple of days to that effect.
For the particular question that started this thread, what I think happened is that I initially thought "General Computing", then saw it already voted as "Resource Request" and went "I can see how that applies" and must have changed my mind (or my fingers did so for me ;) ).
"(i.e. can see votes, but not who)" - Depending on what the specific vote reasons are, you can sometimes track down who voted "strangely" by revisiting the question once it has been closed. @Makyen (Please be sure to let me know if you find it was me ;) )
 
3:13 AM
 
@user0042 In C main returns implicitly 0 if no result is returned. It's the only function with this behaviour. Is that different in C++?
 
@Olaf No, there's no difference. That comment just cultivates a cargo cult or something.
 
@robinCTS I agree that using the term "robo-reviewer" was going a bit far, and I understand having a negative reaction to being called that. It's clear there is disagreement as to the topicality of the question. Yeah, it's possible that part of it is different definitions of some of the close reasons. I've noted that my definitions for some reasons are more narrow than other people use. :-)
I expect that there will be various additional discussions about such over time, which is a good thing. It allows us all to more fully examine how we think about such. However, I was trying discount the disparity, and yet have still been surprised several times by seeing multiple close-votes on reasons I've felt really didn't apply.
@robinCTS Yeah, but that's more work. The issue hadn't risen to where I was concerned enough to put out the effort. This whole conversation has significantly increased my interest. Thus, I'd planed to do so. I will let you know if it's you (not likely). To be clear, I'm not trying to chastise anyone (not that I have the right to do so for the reasons they choose to use for a VtC). It's just that the times I've noticed it, the reason(s) not matching the question has been perplexing.
 
3:29 AM
@user0042 Too bad, I already got the steel drum out.
 
@Olaf Well, an appropriate return statement fixes a lotta things, so ... (dangerous half-baked knowledge is likely to appear)
@Olaf I'm goin' to charge you a Lebkuchen and a Bottle of beer for each of these c++ crash course questions during winter bash from now on BTW.
@Antti Feel free to join ;-)
 
@user0042 Pft, I had something much better the last days: Stilton and a glass of Port wine. I just missed the crackers.
Anyway, I'll try sleeping. Some say it's vital. Good night.
 
@Olaf I'm just in the blunt german X-Mas mood. Lebkuchen and Beer is fine you burgeoise :-P
 
the unholy trinity: blue cheese on gingerbread <3
top with olive :D
(kalamata)
 
3:42 AM
@Olaf N8
 
@user0042 Actually more Bohemien. The older I become, the more I like good food. After all that's the last good things you can get here quite easily.
 
@Antti Sounds yummy. I had greek diner tonite.
 
@AnttiHaapala Not sure what blue cheese is. You mean Roquefort?
 
@Olaf "Actually more Bohemien." Ha! You snob! ;-)
 
@user0042 Must be something age-related ;-þ
 
3:48 AM
@Olaf You're still distinct from an ordinary "hipster", yes :-)
 
@user0042 That is the idea. Behemien is the new Punk. duck und wech isser
 
@Makyen Funny story. I'd not failed a review for a few weeks now. And that's working the CV queue and three other queues fully every day. Then just this morning, I failed a bad CV queue audit question. It was appropriate for the tag and looked like a "Resource Request" but when I went to vote it closed I saw a previous user had voted using a strange reason.
Instead of listening to my spidey-sense (alert, alert… AUDIT!) I shrugged my shoulders ("Geez, some users are weird!") and chose the "correct" reason. Ha, ha! I suspect your "narrower" definition would have saved your bacon for this particular question :) And then, as a suspected robo-reviewer, I got hit with another 4 audits!
 
4:07 AM
@Olaf roquefortlike yes
all of the blue cheeses are bootlegs of Roquefort
 
@Olaf Ha, those kids don't even know what it takes to grow a grey beard in dignity, and deservedness ...
Peoplez are stubborn sometimes: stackoverflow.com/questions/47879798/…
@AnttiHaapala Not sure regarding Gorgonzola. Same but different, no?
 
4:49 AM
@robinCTS I have yet to see an audit when filtering on which is appropriate for the tag. I'm not looking forward to seeing the one you encountered. The audits becoming much easier to see is usually one of the nice things about filtering on a tag.
@robinCTS Ouch. Yeah, ya' got to listen to that spidey-sense. I've no idea if I would have detected it or not. Particularly for , for audit identification, I'm mostly looking for questions which don't match the tag (at all).
 
5:40 AM
@Makyen Don't worry. It won't show up again. I killed it with a downvote.
 
6:21 AM
@StephenRauch if you have the dupe hammer you should be able to reopen it as well
oh it was @furas
 
 
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7:33 AM
 
8:13 AM
\o
 
9:10 AM
CV queue on has some off-topic questions, please get involved
 
 
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10:22 AM
Has anyone any experience on localStorage in FireFox ?
 
 
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11:28 AM
I have a doubt
I am stopped from asking questions in SO
what should I do to improve it?
 
@PeterHaddad Please provide link to the answer, not to the question
 
@pluto20010 any particular question ? or just in general ?
Although there are plenty of reading materials are available on meta already
 
11:44 AM
@pluto20010 did you read and followed up on everything mentioned here?
 
12:16 PM
 
12:44 PM
@SmokeDetector duplicate?
 
1:29 PM
@AnttiHaapala Not really. The use similar (and for Gorgonzola the same) mould fungus, but they are prepared very differntly and use different milk (sheep, cow, goat). Plus the manufactureing and ripening process. Gorgonzola has a very different taste and texture for example than Roquefort (and I don't like it much).
 
@SmokeDetector why is "title ends with a comma" a trigger?
 
@Adriaan Title - Position 1-73: I am parsing data through retrofit and storing it in List of type model,
 
@Adriaan because it probably is not a title but the first sentence and thus spam/low quality? Something like that
 
@rene sounds like LQ to me indeed, and thus more a thing for fire alarm
 
yeah, they are competing against each other ....
It is for us to decide who wins ...
 
1:38 PM
@Adriaan the reason was added because it was requested chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/41834329#41834329
 
@SurajRao aight, thanks
 
@Olaf Plus the name sounds like a disreputable port city in some ancient, Portuguese South American colony, probably involved with smuggling, piracy or slavery. Also, the cheese tastes and smells offensive:)
 
@MartinJames Which one do you mean? Well, whatever. I don't eat the Roquefort normally in pieces, but use it for a good pasta sauce with chicken/turkey filet pieces. Just add to hot milk (or cream), some salt&pepper, add sliced peaches. One must be careful, though not to add too much of the cheese beacuse it will make the sauce taste like a hospital (you know, that anti-bacterial smell).
 
2:02 PM
:40509160 Sam edited the Q there! Where's Sam? We miss Sam
 
2:51 PM
Here's my daily reminder to go visit the CVQ for
 
@TylerH You mean the CVQ for , don't you?
...where I see There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[documentation]"
\o/ Feed me!
 
@Mogsdad yes
I put 10 or so in just now
 
Caching?
 
Also if you want to go visit the first page of stackoverflow.com/… and work your way down that
@Mogsdad they take about 15 minutes to enter
that link I posted ^ has a very high percentage of off-topic questions
mostly POB or resource requests
Same query but "should" instead of "good" also yields several hundred targets
 
@TylerH So good is bad?
 
3:00 PM
Now you're catching on!
Hmm should I get some chicken minis or a white mocha...
 
Chicken minis are awesome. Sadly, my kids aren't keen on the buns, even though my wife serves Sister Schubert rolls on a regular basis and they fight over them
 
Sadness. I'm finding documentation questions that I've already close-voted on, but all close votes have expired.
 
@Machavity wut
how can you not like the buns
not you, you, but like, someone, you
aka your kids
@Mogsdad Same :-(
 
My kids have weird tastes. They're odd on lettuce
 
I can eat lettuce but only in a salad
I hate it on burgers
 
3:06 PM
I can get that. But tacos?
 
nope
only meat and cheese
 
There's always w3schools trolololololololololololol — Aaron Jan 6 '12 at 6:16
 
I don't eat tacos that often. I prefer burritos
@Machavity I thought about flagging that but I figured it would be a waste because the question will be deleted anyway
I've decided. I'm going to get both chicken minis and a white mocha
 
is now down to 39 questions open
 
3:25 PM
That implies that we don't have the critical mass of reviewers required to effectively do the job - once again, members are spread thin.
@TylerH Magic Tag Review says we have 43 doc questions with 1-2 votes... we need reviewers.
 
4:00 PM
is it me of this question is very confused or a nth duplicate? stackoverflow.com/questions/47889098/…
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre OP apparently did not read the fine manual. He compares apples and oranges. The different result of range in P2 and 3 is very well documented. P3 range is like P2 xrange, it does not generate a list, but a generator. I CVed as "cannoit reproduce"
 
@rene Hey, that worked pretty well. Maybe we should have a way to request those close thingies
 
@TinyGiant I wish MagicTagReview would allow me to export the results of a filtered fetch, as a static html page, say. Something I could copy and post to help burnination efforts.
 
@Machavity with a certain format, you mean?
 
@rene And maybe some way to track em. Crazy talk, tho. Who would write such things?
 
user4639281
4:22 PM
@mogsdad look in the console
 
@Machavity way too much work
 
@TinyGiant \o/
A little messy in here, I guess.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Meta posts convert the links to titles and dashes to list items. It aldo works fairly well in gists with .md extensions
 
@Mogsdad yes
 
user4639281
4:43 PM
@Mogsdad first 7 closed ~15 min ago
 
@TinyGiant ta da!
 
user4639281
:↓
 
@PeterHaddad This request is unclear. Your reason implies that you intended the request to be about an answer, but linked to the question (which is open with no close votes). The question has 1 answer, which has been deleted. Please note that even if you wanted to make the request about that answer, a NAA flag would be more appropriate, perhaps with leaving a comment saying why it's not an answer (for reviewers who might think it's an attempt at an answer).
 
user4639281
5:02 PM
@rene possibly coworker?
 
@TinyGiant User's name is robbie. I guess they thought he should have had Thanks in there
 
user4639281
@Machavity I have seen similar situations with coworkers reviewing each others questions and doing nonsensical things like this.
 
@TinyGiant might be. I thought they added it to overcome a quality/length check.
 
user4639281
Huh, I forgot that I answered an SO question in a meta comment... Lulz.
 
Ron
5:18 PM
o/ caretakers!
ABBA was great, you oldies had it good...
 
@Ron I had BABA↑↓BA←→BA and then Start
 
Ron
Haha.
Did it unlock the secret level?
 
@Ron Start with 10 lives
 
user4639281
5:35 PM
Ooo i haz seekrit hat
 
Ron
Gimme teh hatz!
 
user4639281
Request closed as too broad
 
Ron
runs over to meta to complain
 
user4639281
I would probably enjoy that.
 
Ron
This years selection of hats is... Playful...
 
5:46 PM
@TinyGiant The first rule of seekrit hat: no talking about seekrit hat.
 
user4639281
:P
 
user4639281
I wonder how I got it though. I havent really done anything today
 
@TinyGiant that is the seekrit ..
 
user4639281
Do nothing... Lol
 
@TinyGiant You bloody well know how hard it is to not edit, to not vote, to not comment ... it is an achievement ... ;)
 
user4639281
6:12 PM
@rene lol.
 
6:31 PM
I suggested that the following post was moved to Andrioid SE as it seems to belong under their google play tag
However I Was told by another user that it was incorect
but that user didn't have much rep, which is why I am asking here
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Q: Criteria to ensure that our apps are ready to publish on Google Play

AmandeepWhat is criteria to ensure that our apps are ready to publish on Google Play?.I am now to publish application and I did not find any thing related to this.

Is it acceptable on this site or should it be migrated to Android SE
I was also told that my behavior was inappropriate by recommending the OP to user Andrioid SE. I am asking here to here from experienced users if I am behaving inappropriately by suggesting this?
 
@JakeSymons It is not so much if a question is on-topic somewhere else. You only have to consider if a question is on-topic on the site it is asked.
 
@rene So is it inappropriate my comment.
 
@JakeSymons For the question at hand I'm not 100% sure it is on-topic as I don't develop for that platform but the answer doesn't make me thrilled
 
@rene I was accused of inappropriate behaviour
a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development? without knowing things please can not do un appropriate behaviour.i hope you can understand. — Amandeep 7 mins ago
 
@JakeSymons no, I don't think it was/is in appropiate.
@JakeSymons well, someone disagrees with you, such things happen, let's not make a drama out of it
@JakeSymons You can say something like: Oh, no problem I thought offering you an extra site where you could find your answer as well would be appreciated and then leave it at that and move on.
@JakeSymons you might find this MSO post useful but maybe @Mogsdad can confirm if that applies to that question as well.
or anyone else with Google Play services experience
 
7:02 PM
@rene @JakeSymons I'd characterize that question as a customer support request, as the only canonical answer for it must come from the service provider (Google, in this case). Any answer provided on SO would always be suspect or stale.
 
I thought so., thanks for confirming
 
Someone has a really good auto-comment reason for that closure too. Need to get that in our list
 
@Machavity you make a PR?
 
@rene Not yet. I will when I get a few mins
 
OK
No hurry but I'm waiting for it ... ;)
 
7:09 PM
Done yet?
 
7:20 PM
Was so excited when I initially thought someone answered with poetry, here. But then I felt so let down.
 
7:31 PM
@Mogsdad Link only answer. Leaves you all unsatisfied. Low quality post
 
7:45 PM
@Machavity naa that's an answer, leave it where it is...
 
@PetterFriberg Was meant to be a haiku. Chat just doesn't format it well
 
aah + my level of understanding is not sufficient ;)
 
8:02 PM
This woman just emailed me, asking for an alphabetized version of the Excel list I sent her
...
 
@TylerH Did you respond to her "This question is better asked on Super User"?
 
she is old
 
"We violated your privacy with an extension because the extension is about a show that promotes privacy"
lol
 
8:40 PM
Hi, I've just noticed that a question I did was closed as off topic: stackoverflow.com/questions/24047991/… but there was no comment about it and I don't understand really why... maybe someone can help me
 
@pconcepcion Well to start with, did you read the note in the big yellow banner itself?
 
yes
 
"Does Swift have any type documentation comments or documentation generation tools?"
 
@pconcepcion And?
 
well, it's not asking for any recommendation, it's about if it's possible on the language
 
8:44 PM
The second half of that is asking for tools. The first part asks "is there something I can type in my code that gets generated as reable elsewhere?"
I think you could just remove "or documentation generation tools" and be good
 
@gunr2171 needs a broader reworking IMO
 
should I remove the second part? The main idea was to understand if it was possible to do it in the language
 
@TylerH also true
@JAL this is your cup of tea
 
it's something that it's on many languages, but when I wrote it there was no documentation at all about it for swift
 
@pconcepcion Just an FYI, when you ask a question is typically irrelevant to whether it should be closed, reopened, etc.
 
8:47 PM
+1 better
 
At any rate, I've edited the question title, body, and tags
 
@TylerH I wanted to understand because I've done few questions, I've mostly answered, so I wanted to know for future ocasions
 
@pconcepcion We're not looking to remove the question. What we want is to avoid answers like this one, which are considered low quality
 
I see
thanks for your help :)
 
dur
@pconcepcion: Just my 2 cents (I didn't vote on your question): Asking for a feature is often looking for a tutorial or offical documentation. If there is no documentation it is often too broad.
 
9:04 PM
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Q: Real programmers don't use a [pc]

MureinikAwkward attempt at a humorous title aside, Stack Overflow has a pc tag with the description "Anything about personal computers.". It has nearly three hundred questions, most of them off-topic for SO (although they may fit SU). Can we please burninate this tag?

 
JAL
@gunr2171 Are questions that ask "Does [IDE] have documentation rendering support?" normally on-topic?
Because if so, that question is on-topic, since as far as I can tell it's not asking for a documentation generator
 
Tyler modified the question, before half of the last sentence was asking for a tool
 
JAL
Still almost sounds like a tool req:
> Many languages support documentation comments to allow a generator (like javadoc or doxygen) to generate code documentation by parsing that same code.
if the question is asking "can xcode render comments as docs?" and not "is there a tool that generates documentation from code comments in xcode?", then it's on-topic
if it's still a tool req, well, we just reopened it
but i can get br to re-close it potentially
 
@JAL Let's get a historical lock instead. Might meet the qualifications
 
JAL
let me ask
I think he's afk but i'll grab him the next time i see him
 
user4639281
9:31 PM
I just helped a couple break into their car. I felt so helpful. Then the female counterpart said "Wow, you must do this a lot.", like yeah, I'm a car thief, thanks.
 
@TinyGiant are u into lockpicking?
 
user4639281
@Jean-FrançoisFabre coat hanger
 
Coat hanger never gets old.
(I always have one on me)
(I never remove it from my jacket)
 
user4639281
lol
 
user4639281
I always seem to be near a hotel whenever I need a coat hanger
 
9:35 PM
those wooden ones are useless though :)
 
user4639281
Absolutely, need just the right ductility
 
Sorry for asking but what's NATO ? (besides the obvious military alliance) I mean SO lingo.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre New Answers to Old Questions
 
user4639281
New Answers To Old questions
 
(we don't normally bother with old, inactive questions)
 
user4639281
9:37 PM
We dropped the Q because NATOQ was weird
 
I feel dumb now, but I'm actually less dumb now. thanks
 
user4639281
lol
 
9:52 PM
ouch Crystal report guy's taking a beating...
 
I put some more questions in the queue
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I remind you of our rule to not link to user profiles. Just don't do that.
 
10:23 PM
@rene: seems that I'm violating every rule. Sorry. For my defence, in that case, that user = 3 answers of same spam. Does that qualify as an user?
but I won't do it again, of course!
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre yes it does. The only exception to this rule is on request from a mod for plagiarism checks.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I'll remember you next time ... ;)
 
@rene I hope I won't do anything bad again, cos I like it here :)
 
10:43 PM
ok back from camp.
o/
what did I miss?
lol
 
@rene crystal report spamming user has been deleted BTW.
 
user4639281
11:11 PM
@Nkosi All the good stuff
 
user4639281
It was rainbows and sunshine the whole time
 

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