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user3956566
7:01 PM
@NisargShah It works brilliantly :D
 
Ron
Hello World!
 
@Ron Hey, this isn't your first day at programmer school
 
Ron
I consider myself a beginner in C++.
 
I'm a beginner in Haskell
2
the most exposure I have to it is in CV queue audits
 
@gunr2171 don't be late for that meeting that's starting soon
 
7:10 PM
yeah, it's about HR benefits
 
@Ron \o
 
Ron
All those lucrative Delphi gigs coming my way - wasted...
@user0042 o/
 
@Ron Me too (still) :D
 
Ron
@user0042 One 3 years long gig came with the work permit for Belgium. Turned it down.
Because Delphi.
2 years that is.
 
@YvetteColomb I'll get to those PRs in a bit (unless someone else wants to review those for me). Meetings.
 
user3956566
7:28 PM
@gunr2171 that's cool.
 
user3956566
It's about time I did it, it's just plain bone laziness
 
user3956566
Close reason broad as an Amish barn
 
user3956566
I wonder if it will take off :D
 
@YvetteColomb not unless it has wings and a jet engine attached to it
 
user3956566
7:41 PM
@TylerH what about hollow bones and lots of feathers?
 
Ron
Can I pipe a 15m HDMI cable from PC to TV upstairs and worry not?
 
@Ron what would you worry be?
@YvetteColomb it's possible, depends. Are there predators to worry about? Is it laden with a coconut?
Is it from Africa or is it from Europe?
We must know these things
 
Ron
@TylerH Loss of signal or similar.
 
user3956566
@TylerH it is from Elephant Island. It has sharp teeth, so not predators. It IS laden with coconut. Good question.
 
@Ron We've got at least one HDMI cable piped from our Dish receiver downstairs to a TV upstairs
 
7:43 PM
@Ron 15m or shorter should be fine
you would maybe see attenuation of signal at like 30m
unless you are doing incredibly high data stuff, then maybe between 15m and 30m
 
Ron
I see. Thank you both.
 
I'm assuming you are using a good cable and not some PoS from Monster Cables
 
@TylerH I wouldn't expect HDMI to be nearly as susceptible to that as an analog format, but I'm not at all a cable expert
 
Ron
@TylerH That's a tricky one. I don't know the specs in this corner of the world.
 
user3956566
 
7:45 PM
@NobodyNada It's far less susceptible than analog, but still susceptible
 
15m is basically the max of what a HDMI cable can handle.
 
@Ron just make sure you are buying an HDMI 2.0 cable and that it's not from a company called Monster and you should be fine
 
Ron
@TylerH Appreciate it.
 
I just found out people are using CAT6 to do long HDMI runs
 
Ron
@TylerH Can I get away with the 1.4 one? Those are the long cables on offer currently.
 
7:50 PM
@YvetteColomb I hope I did not come across as rude, but I believe this is one case where the downvotes are fulfilling their role without the need to actually close the question, that is neither unclear nor too broad.
 
@Ron probably, but the difference is those are maxed out at 10gbps
2.0 cables offer 18gbps of data bandwidth
Are you worried about just a decent signal or do you want to support 4K resolutions?
 
Ron
@TylerH I see. I will be using it for 1080p movies mostly.
 
That being said, that user was rude, and I don't wish to invest any more effort on their case. If you want to close/delete the question go right ahead, I don't mind.
 
@NathanOliver Yeah, Cat6 doesn't degrade up to 300ft/100M. Just have to convert it on both ends
 
Ron
@Machavity Is that with or without some kind of signal boosters?
 
7:52 PM
@Machavity Yep. I just didn't realize they were doing that. Ethernet all teh thingz \o/
 
@Machavity Cat6a is less range but higher throughput :-D
@Ron 1.4 should be fine in that case
 
@Ron No boosting needed. That's Ethernet spec
 
Cat6a caps out at a little over 100ft
 
@Ron Why do you need a cable? Doesn't streaming over your WLAN work well?
 
@NobodyNada Problem is with analog/VGA, you only get a degraded quality, but still can see a picture. With digital lines, you either don't see anything at all, get block/line/etc. digital artifacts or maybe one image very some seconds only.
 
7:56 PM
@TylerH You mean 100M, right?
 
Ron
@user0042 The damn built-in TV player software stutters. Can't watch movies properly. House is not properly wired either.
 
Now, if we're talking 10gBe then I would expect it to be less
 
Ron
@user0042 I've decided to turn the desktop machine into main entertainment center.
 
@Machavity that's cat6, not cat6a
but looking at the spec for cat6a, it seems to say 100m as well. I recall when I purchased a 100ft run that I had researched it and the spec for it said 100ft at no attenuation, and 101- 300ft with some potential attenuation
 
@Ron Well, I use a Chromecast and a Fire-TV stick. Mostly satisfying my streaming needs.
 
8:00 PM
I've seen 150 feet max suggest for CAT6 runs.
 
@Ron do you have metal conduit for this pull?
 
Ron
@TylerH Eeer, what's that? Excuse my English.
 
Ah, I haven't kept up on the latest Ethernet. Apparently 6a foil wraps the pairs. 6 Just has a plastic separator between pairs
 
@Ron conduit is what you put cables and wiring into, inside of housing/walls
 
@TylerH IIRC, it is alyways ca. 90m (300ft) for 1000baseTX. For other L1 protocols/modulation schemes it can greatly differ. You'll hardly get 90m for HDMI. Oh, and all this requires a correctly installed and connected cable. Not that it might work for longer distances or higher rates, it is just not certified. It also might degrade over time as the electirac properties change with aging insulation, etc.
 
8:01 PM
a lot of time it is cheap or plastic or nonexistent
metal conduit lasts longer and is coated on the inside to make pulling cables and wires super easy
 
Ron
@TylerH Unfortunately not. Holes need to be drilled or that plastic guides thingies need to be installed.
 
gotcha. bummer
electricians will charge extra (and take longer) for that. But it sounds like you might be doing it yourslef
 
Ron
@TylerH Yes. Fortunately, the work of electricians here is not expensive.
 
@Ron But really experts??
 
@Machavity Taht's actually another dimension, you can also get CT6 as STP (foil twisted pair), even CAT5. And then ther can be another shileding around all 4 pairs together: F/FTP.
 
Ron
8:05 PM
@user0042 Well, they are certified as far as I know.
 
@Ron Certificates can be bought allover, everywhere ...
 
Ron
@user0042 Certified = went through high school training on the subject.
 
@Ron I strongly discourage let a normal electrician install network cabling! Either you do it yourse4lf, after you read some information (the LSA tool is not that expensive), or you get someone certified to do to. For a normal electrician, chances are pretty good you'll end up with 100Mbit/s max (we also had 10Mbit).
 
heh
 
Ron
Noted.
 
8:08 PM
@Ron Never heard about high schools offering such courses.
 
@Ron I agree with @Olaf
 
Ron
I was thinking piping a 15m HDMI cable through those plastic channels, nothing more.
 
@TylerH You're an electrician basically??
 
Ron
Network is not needed.
 
@user0042 No
 
8:09 PM
@TylerH ;)
 
@Ron: I installed my GbE here myself. Used CAT7 as the price-difference was not that much, but it was a hell to get it into the wall plugs. Verification was simply: connect all lines with patchcables, forming one very long link and connect two PCs on each end. Then run ping for 24h with max. blocksize and max. speed. Count the losses.
 
@user0042 When I lived at home I had planned to run ethernet cabling under the house from where it comes into the office from outside and wire it back to my bedroom, ~100ft away
 
@TylerH I roughly remember your problemz with your (old) car's light machine/battery :-P ...
 
so I did a lot of research on network cabling and stuff there
@user0042 yeah, it was the alternator
 
Ron
@Olaf Will try it out. Thanks.
 
8:12 PM
@Ron 15m HDMI is … challenging. Not only for the connectors, but also the curves, etc. Unless you are fine with 720p, of course ;-)
 
@Olaf I think he is going straight up and down
 
I'd think about using a media-server stick or so and GbE cacling. Also way more versatile
@TylerH From my experience: It's never that simple in the end.
 
Ron
Hmm, now the straight up HDMI is out the window.
 
Just because such cables are sold at amazon does not mean they will work. Worse: they might work with some combination of equipment, but not other, due to tolerances.
@Ron Wait some years and see the mantle becomming brittle;-)
 
@Ron how come?
unless you mean you're now planning to run it through some windows... :-P
 
Ron
8:18 PM
@TylerH Haha, true. I am thinking about relocating soon, wonder if I should abandon the whole thing.
 
@Olaf LOL It seems there are people who sell "WLAN cable" over eBay successfully as well. :D
 
I would try a chromecast at least
it does the same thing wirelessly and has the benefit of being able to move with you when you go
 
@TylerH What I mentioned!
 
Can some approve a tag wiki review? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/17610551
 
@Olaf huh, why cat7 instead of cat6? Or was this pre 2008?
 
8:20 PM
@user0042 Old joke. But - unless they are real fakes - they mean coax-cable for the antennas. That's fine.
 
Ron
Something uneasy with those wirelesses thingies. I tend to minimize it as much as possible.
Cable all the way.
 
@TylerH It was ca. 2010 iirc the price was almost the same and the cat6(a) was not available that time. CAT5E would have worked, too, but was too much at the edge for me. I still have quite some meters on the roll somewhere stored.
 
@Olaf I'm offering TCP via avian carriers services Just contact me, I'd be proud to be your provider ...
 
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I have a small 6HE 9in rack under the ceiling with a patch-panle and the other stuff. works like a charm for me, inlcuding POTs, ISDN, etc.
@user0042 I don#t think this will work with films, even with compression that high it hurts.
(OTOH, with µSD cards of 256GB the datarate might not even be that bad. But the latency …
 
Ron
8:25 PM
@TylerH Damn **** 40" TV image stutters when casting via LAN. Probably outdated software hardware thing.
 
And it's prone to DDOS attacks by hunters
@Ron Which cast do you use? C-style of C++ native?
 
Ron
@Olaf Unlike academia I like verbose C++ style casts.
 
@Ron Maybe you have the wrong one of that zoo?
 
Ron
@Olaf Come again? Ich verstehe nicht.
 
@Ron Maybe you have the wrong one cast of that (C++ casts) zoo?
 
Ron
8:28 PM
My German is a bit rusty.
 
@Ron I'm pretty sure I write english (mostly).
 
@SmokeDetector Unclear?
 
@Olaf You got the point. It's the "Latency" actually. But don't worry, I'm working on raising light speed capable pigeons ;-) ..
 
> So, I decided to solve this Problem so i can the data in the Pivot table.
 
Ron
@Olaf I probably need a new TV, new LAN infrastructure and someone to do all those nitty gritty things for me while I focus on important things in life - which is C++ theory.
 
8:32 PM
@user0042 Why do I have the image of a loong cannon like the roadrunner cartoons (just with pigeons instead of Coyote)?
 
@user0042 Oh, well, Morrice …
@Machavity Isn't that more like "professional infrastructure" or so?
 
@Ron Now you are talking
 
8:53 PM
@Olaf Sure. Mellow yellow and such. I'm currently on a CBD trip :P ...
 
Ron
@TylerH Separation of concerns. ;)
 
@Ron How do you think C++ will fare when Bjarne passes away
isn't he the driving force behind any updates to the language still?
 
@Ron I'd call it odd priorities, but then, who am I to talk about priorities
 
Ron
@TylerH I am fairly new to C++. I think the committee is the one steering most of the things. Given the slow rate of adoption of new C++ standards I think it is here to stay for the foreseeable future.
 
@TylerH would you mind checking my comment: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357735/…
and offer some help maybe?
I might as well ditch that last paragraph completely
 
9:02 PM
@TylerH His hair passed by, and we didn't even care. So what??
 
@rene
Woops.
Why wouldn't there be more than one answer to complex questions that aren't "How do I get rid of X" / "How do I do this"?
 
I don't know
 
There are quite a lot of questions on SO (iirc) where the top answer consists of explanations of more than one option to handle the issue. "You can do it this way, but then you have to watch out for X, the better approach would be Y because you will not have X occuring".
 
Ron
@TylerH Believe it or not I consider it to be such an amazing endeavor of human intellect. It is unlike any other language.
 
Again, if I recall correctly, I haven't been browsing SO actively for a couple of months now.
 
9:06 PM
@rene sure but might be a bit, super busy atm
 
Mmm Ok, I'll be afk in a few minutes. You know, the sleep thing ...
 
@rene I think the problem is that OP has a different scenario than your answer
 
People still do that in 2017?
 
in OP's scenario, his two answers solve his problem completely. In your scenario, he has two separate incomplete attempts
 
Hmm, makes sense
ditching the answer then
 
9:08 PM
If he had two incomplete attempts I would agree with your answer; they belong as part of the question
 
OK, makes sense
thanks
I'm afk for real now, cya
 
9:26 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/46717660/… never mind that. Good answer, reopening it. No need to delete.
 
NH.
9:41 PM
What would y'all think about unmarking this as a duplicate: stackoverflow.com/q/10720486/1739000
There is a very big difference between "last updated" and "originally added"
 
NH.
10:03 PM
@dur wouldn't that be more on-topic on security.SE?
 
10:15 PM
Does this seem like NAA? "The spec of foo changed in v1, so you can no longer bar the baz. Therefore the accepted answer is no longer valid. Does anybody know of a way to bar the baz?"
 
Hi all! o/
 
\o
I must be tired. I just waved at a tree.
 
NH.
@AndrewMyers lol, it seems like flack overstow
 
@AndrewMyers Did you observe the tree waving back? o/
 
NH.
if you wave at a flag, it might wave back...
 
10:21 PM
@BaummitAugen o/
 
NH.
so what do y'all think about stackoverflow.com/q/10720486/1739000? should I make another meta post about it?
 
@AndrewMyers I'm keeping an eye of the "right side" arm should be raised. Anything else looks suspicious :P
@BaummitAugen shoveling away ole stuff?
 
@user0042 Well, I assumed that Baum and I were facing each other, so I responded with the same (to me) arm that was waved at me.
 
@AndrewMyers I'm just a soup nazi, don't worry ;-)
 
@user0042 Natty reports, new answer to old question.
If they attract new garbage, time to close'em.
 
10:29 PM
@user0042 And I actually thought about which one I was doing when I did it, which may or may not be worse...
 
^ See answer (10k).
 
dur
11:24 PM
@NH. Maybe, I don't know, but Makyen already wrote such a comment.
 
11:55 PM
@KenWhite You've got a live one there
 
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