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2:20 AM
@TetsuyaYamamoto FYI: SOCVR only moderates Stack Overflow, not any of the other Stack Exchange sites.
 
2:36 AM
@Makyen Oops... seems my CV request sent to the wrong place (it's intended for SU room). Can the RO delete it?
 
@TetsuyaYamamoto Is there a room that specifically accepts cv-pls requests for SU?
 
3:01 AM
freaking garbage getting upvoted, I gotta get out of here
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Better Shock the monkey and use your Sledge hammer :P
@SotiriosDelimanolis And finally youtube.com/watch?v=VjEq-r2agqc
All that s**t seems to be our fate :P ...
 
 
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4:17 AM
Kinda getting on my nerves TBH ;)
 
5:03 AM
Plop everyone
 
\o
 
5:13 AM
(^ I have mentioned the wrong duplicate while closing. Take the duplicate from the comments)
 
6:02 AM
@SmokeDetector plagiarised from stackoverflow.com/a/33035611/4826457 and spam.
 
6:13 AM
Anyone else facing issue with SO or just me imgur.com/a/81Zqc
 
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Q: Stack Overflow redirects to an error page: "Server Error in '/' Application"

I am the Most Stupid PersonWhen I try to navigate to stackoverflow.com, it automatically redirects to https://stackoverflow.com/error?aspxerrorpath=/. The error is: Server Error in '/' Application. Runtime Error Description: An exception occurred while processing your request. Additionally, another excepti...

 
@Pang seems to be working now
 
 
@SmokeDetector turned out OP edited it to NAA before grace period flag declined :(
 
@SurajRao Yes, it got declined for me too. I thought mods could see the edits made in the grace period too?
 
@AjayBrahmakshatriya they cant IIRC meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/267885/…
 
@SurajRao Oh well!
 
Morning
 
7:04 AM
\o
 
@SmokeDetector User's long been deleted; do we add attribution, or delete the answer altogether?
 
@Adriaan I say remove the link.. it seems dead
got caught by SD cause of stackoverflow.com/a/46681855/4826457 answer. borderline vlq
 
@SurajRao I didn't want to click it, thanks
@SurajRao I'm tempted to leave a "Should be a comment, I'm flagging this for deletion" comment. But indeed, it's barely above the VLQ threshold, although no-one will ever see it, buried under 6 other answers
 
Ron
7:19 AM
Hola, ¿cómo estás?
Or as fate would have it now: Sup?
 
Ron
8:05 AM
@rene @PaulStenne Please discard this request of mine.
 
8:24 AM
 
 
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9:44 AM
Hiya o/
 
user3956566
si
 
siya
 
user3956566
sow sare sou?
 
sine shanks a sot
sow sou soing sarling ?
 
user3956566
so sood shank sou, so sood :)
 
9:47 AM
\o.. someone needs a new keyboard
 
We will convert this room. Chime in or prepare.
 
user3956566
ok I'm going \o
 
@YvetteColomb you can go but you can't leave ...
 
@rene guitar solo follows
 
10:47 AM
Ready (I get exception), Set (Here is code dump), GO, GO GO, (Thanks in advance) SMH :(
sure thing boss, as soon as I am finish shaving this Yak
 
Hmm is EBKAC a valid answer ?
 
11:04 AM
@SurajRao Nope, NAA
 
11:41 AM
Can a Mod accept an answer or only the guy that asked the question
 
the latter
 
@UnknownDeveloper only the original poster of the question. it is their question
 
@UnknownDeveloper: yes, only the asker
 
I hate people that say thanks and leave ....
2
 
@UnknownDeveloper :( :(
 
11:42 AM
thanks guys
 
sudo OP acceptAnswer
 
@UnknownDeveloper meh.. if your answer is good you will get upvotes
 
i spent 15 minutes googling his error found it answered it atleast he can accept it it takes 3 seconds
 
@SurajRao Eg, stackoverflow.com/a/46673791 The OP ran away even without saying thanks.
@UnknownDeveloper ^^^
:( :(
 
@PraveenKumar well you got 3 upvotes.. 3 * 10 > 15
 
11:49 AM
people like them should burn in hell...
 
ROFL...
@UnknownDeveloper True that.
They have a special reservation...
 
Morning
 
\o
 
11:52 AM
\o
 
Plop Nathan
 
@UnknownDeveloper if OP is a new user, I reply with this meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5234/…
 
@UnknownDeveloper you don't even get the upvote privilege until 15 rep.
 
12:13 PM
@JohnDvorak then in that case i forgive him for not upvoting but he can accept my answer. It takes 3 seconds
 
12:36 PM
That's plagiarized ^
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis the question?
 
The other answer by vvvv
 
flagged
its literally from the an answer in the same question
 
1:35 PM
I wonder if they are badge hunting.
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver probably - I left one custom reject message. Saying trivial edits on old posts just bump the posts, find a recent question
 
@YvetteColomb If you are seeing a pattern of questionable behavior you should mod flag. They can handle it better then us. I also think the runs a foul of our don't target users policy.
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver yes - I was wondering about that. Can you delete my comment?
 
I can move it to the bin if that's OK with you
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver yes please
 
1:39 PM
 
user3956566
thanks
 
@adiga OP has edited their question
 
1:58 PM
There are only 4 closed questions left for [tag:nda]. They are all off-topic.
Please help on deleting these, so we can get rid of this tag. I decided not to create a Meta request, because there are only 4 of them.
There are only 4 closed questions left for
 
everything is closed.
should we delete them?
 
@PraveenKumar yeah, sure. I mentioned that you should delete
 
rip
 
@TylerH retracted close vote and dv. Thanks
 
2:08 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis @Steve thanks guys! that was fast
 
2:22 PM
general flooder
: p
 
I'm out of votes actually, that's why I'm so verbose :)
 
@kayess At least now you get to actually vote on those =p
 
@Steve who?
 
2:46 PM
@PraveenKumar Nevertheless OP got his answer, so chances are good he will come back with the next stupid problem. I just wonder when the comment flag for "tries to answer the question" was removed. Should we flag as "obsolete" such comments now?
 
@Olaf Yep, something like three flag types were rolled into "obsolete/ no longer needed"
It's either rude/abusive, not needed, or in need of moderator attention, if it's flag-worthy now
 
@TylerH The problem is that the "should be an answer" flag made clear that the comment was inappropriate and circumvented the reason why closed questions cannot be answered. The comments could be deletred and such questions were discouraged. But as it is now, there is no use in not asking such questions, as chances are very good they get an answer anyway.
 
@SmokeDetector gotcha
 
@TylerH It seems we are not supposed to flag such comments now anymore. Which (see above). Or is there a meta to flag them as one of the three current criteria? WHich one?
 
@Olaf Yep
 
2:58 PM
@Olaf I dunno about a meta, but if I see an answer posted as a comment I would flag it as not needed
 
@PraveenKumar "Yep" like "Yes, we should flag as obsolete?
 
@Olaf Yea, right.
 
Well, 'll try then
 
maybe as needs moderator intervention if it's a user I see posting answers as comments all the time
 
Sma
Should we have a field where we can indicate that user is asking for program without effort?
 
2:59 PM
@Sma what do you mean by "have a field"
 
Sma
@TylerH While flagging a question for closing
 
@Sma We have: "too broad"
 
Sma
@Olaf Okay, got it.
 
We have Too Broad like Olaf said and we also have a custom off-topic reason where you can write in your own reason.
 
@TylerH Yes, but we should get along with standard reasons where sufficient (for "gimme teh codez" TB is). That will help the statistics to be more expressive.
@Sma: I just wonder: Do you already have the close-flag privilege?
 
3:09 PM
Yep, you get that at 15 rep
 
Only mods can reverse tag synonyms, right?
 
I don't know if even they can
but probably
 
CMs can for sure
 
@TylerH Thanks, you are right. I was certain it requires much more reps than that.
 
devs can rollback the DB to a state before the tags were made a synonym
 
3:19 PM
@rene eh, slightly overkill in this case...
exists since '10
 
well, as everyone was listing options I couldn't resist to add mine ...
 
We could nuke the datacenters from orbit...
that would probably take care of the problem
 
@Siguza looks like mods can meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/289310/… (Bill was a mod back then)
 
@rene ahh, thanks
 
yw
 
3:23 PM
@TylerH That's what backups are for: When all your data centers just happen to get hit by kinetic energy weapons.
 
@Siguza Maybe a petition at Apple would be easier. I wonder which devil drove them … marketing, I suppose.
 
@Olaf haha, I suppose you haven't had to deal with Apple on that level a lot?
there have been petitions
but they won't even let us have a 5th icon in our dock on iOS, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
until that happens, no petition will change their mind
 
@genpfault yikes, that needs to be closed and deleted
 
@Siguza I happily never had to and hopefully most likely will never have to. But I remember very well old MacOS and - as the meta states - how much Apple emphasised the difference between MacOS and OS-X (and how harsh some Apple fans became when they were confused).
 
@Siguza Apple also still maintains that god awful login modal that is the source of dozens of phishing attempt methods
 
3:30 PM
@TylerH you mean the one that's been all over twitter the last few days?
 
@Siguza Oh, I very well knwo why I don't like neither Apple nor MS. It's not like most people who just don't even know why they refuse something.
 
@Siguza yep
 
 
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4:51 PM
Hiya o/
 
o/
@EJoshuaS too late, tim got it. Also please use actual close vote reasons
 
Sure, will do
 
5:09 PM
Anyone here that can access my userprofile page on SO?
 
I can
 
this is my result: i.stack.imgur.com/tDmty.png
weird
 
switching to IE11 ...
 
Oh, that's drastic
 
5:14 PM
something with my session
 
You could try logging out and back in maybe
I have no problems visiting my profile
 
@rene Had the same issue few hours ago. Seems fixed now meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357683/…
 
@rene no repro IE6
 
IE11 can't authenticate with Google, the world is a better place now
It is serverside, Oded confirmed
 
5:21 PM
BTW, somebody on meta was talking about whether discussing edits was okay in this room (in case somebody wants to clarify anything): meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357672/… and meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357672/…
 
@AndrewMyers thx, I'll leave a message
@AndrewMyers ... and done
 
6:04 PM
@rene aww I thought this was a permanent thing
like SO was blocking people from logging in when on IE
 
:D
I fiddled with settings labeled security in IE. It only added to the number of bugs. It basically DOS-ed itself.
 
6:57 PM
Sometimes when my avatar doesn't show in the list, I wonder what will happen if I send a message (like right now)
 
you can actually post in a room you're not in.
If you have a fkey and cookies you're all set
 
 
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8:18 PM
@rene I VOTED TO DELETE THAT
 
HOW DARE YOU?
 
8:46 PM
@SmokeDetector went NAA, left a comment
 
9:14 PM
@Adriaan FYI: In addition to NAA, it's undisclosed self-promotion, which the feedback guidance says is a k.
 
@Makyen I didn't click the link, and the term "master" seems general enough for me, hence I NAAed
I'll let the mods eat this
besides, I don't have feedback privs to SD, nor do I want them
 
9:27 PM
Are there any rules about posting duplicate questions if you delete the old duplicate first (assuming you posted both duplicates)?
 
@Justin for this room or on SO proper?
 
@rene On SO proper.
Though are there different rules in this room?
 
If the dupe delete is to dodge down votes and is done regularly it is a flagable offense
 
I'd have no idea if it's been done regularly; should I just flag?
 
sure, only a mod can see the pattern but you can state in your custom flag that you want to have them check that
@Justin yeah, if you have a stake in the Q/A pair we rather not see moderation requests here. Things like answering first and then post a dupe cv-pls here or dupe cv-pls to questions you answered. We have discussed that in a room meeting and adapted the FAQ on it. But I realized a few moments later this was not about you.
 
9:34 PM
@rene That makes sense
 
room meeting could also be: the RO's had a secret voting party and that was the new rule.
 
Sad.... this user is quitting SO because he got heavily downvoted due to lack of MCVE. Deleted old post and reposted, getting heavily downvoted again. I offered to help him fix his question in chat, but he didn't take it up :/
 
Was the second post any better?
 
It was just barely better, but not really better
 
It is always hard to get a message across if they are in all defensive mode.
Never have the patience or find the right words to turn that around
 
9:44 PM
I've become more aware of how people might react to having their questions closed / DV and the like ever since seeing the comments on this r/ProgrammerHumor post. People keeping the site clean have definitely come across as rude elitists. I've been meaning to make a meta post, but I haven't gotten around to it yet
We're definitely doing something wrong when someone feels this way: "Being a beginner programmer it's those people that make me feel like an idiot for asking a question." I'm not saying we should allow bad questions on the site, but we are doing something wrong if people feel like an idiot for asking questions.
 
@Justin I've given up with those people. It's amazing that anybody bothers with moderating the site at all. The 'Be nice' policy only seems to apply to OP's, and libels, abuses and even death threats are routinely thrown by those who have only to open another account to cause more hassle. It's explicitly stated that SO is a site for professional and enthusiast programmers. IMHO, that excludes those who don't have basic language syntax and cannot use Google.
 
@Justin: Yes and no. Many of them either don't read the rules, or read them and ignore them, and then get upset mainly when their unrealistic expectations are not being met, and that is the crux of the matter -- how to get them to align their expectations to reality before they post. This has been a constant issue for this site since I've been on it.
 
10:01 PM
@MartinJames I agree with you. My current opinion is that somehow we need to discourage such questions from coming in the first place.
 
Maybe we need to ask are you going to post in r/ProgrammerHumor when your post get moderated
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I think people don't read the rules because there are so many rules. You need to read a lot of rules + much of the help center to even begin to understand how to ask a good SO question. People have this preconceived notion of "this is how I ask a question" and there's no way they're going to read all the rules when that's much harder than just clicking "Ask Question". I have no idea how to solve this issue, but it makes me sad that people have had such a bad experience
 
@Justin I freely admit that I have no realistic answer. That's why I don't bother with proactive posts on meta anymore. I still fire back at the weekly 'SO is unfair to newbies' posts, but that's it.
 
People feel like they are being treated like crap and I feel that means we are doing something wrong
 
They never stay long enough to work out where we went wrong
But they seem to have lots of time to provide reddit with content
 
10:05 PM
Honestly, many of them don't belong here. This isn't a "please fix my Java 101 homework for me" site. It never was and never should be. This will upset folks, no doubt, but that's the price we pay for having a site where questions and answers are both community moderated.
 
@MartinJames Stack Overflow is probably "unfair" to everyone. :P
 
It just seems to me like maybe we can do a better job of helping people understand that SO isn't a Q&A site, it's a site for crafting a repository of problems and solutions.
 
@Justin What could be done that has not been tried?
 
@MartinJames Plumbing work
 
@user0042 Get Mario in?
 
@MartinJames LOL
 
@MartinJames I honestly have no idea
 
@rene Dreck! Those 'Please explain the code I copied/plagiarized from [somewhere] so I can demonstrate to my prof/TA that I actually did work' are near the top of my 'hugely annoying' list;(
I mean, if they genuinely want to know how some code works, they could run through it with their debugger. No - they want copypasta.
 
Although it is tempting now to continue to bash all those newcomers but maybe we can focus the energy on getting this fixed before they post as @Justin suggested.
And with those words I leave the room in your hands.
I need sleep
 
@rene hear hear
@FireAlarm self Q/A with too unresearched a question
 
10:57 PM
Not sure what to close this NATO as but it has already attracted two NAA stackoverflow.com/questions/46585291/…
 
How annoying. You can only open the flag dialog every 3 seconds, and can only flag every 5 seconds... So that 2 second window exists where I can open the flag dialog but can't flag
 
@Justin SO world problems. lol :)
 
11:48 PM
@Nkosi I went with no MCVE. It looks like a typical "works in development (local)/doesn't work in production (server)" type problem. Such questions are rarely on-topic on SO due to the difficulty in providing a MCVE which duplicates both the working and non-working environments. As usual, without such, it's just a guessing game as to what the problem might be. I left a comment:
While this might seem like a programming issue, such things are almost always differences in setup/permissions/etc. between the local (development) machine and the server (production). Debugging questions on SO must include, in the question itself, a Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable example which duplicates the problem. Such questions require knowing all the differences between the two system environments, which are almost impossible to fully include in a question. Thus, such questions are almost never on-topic for Stack Overflow. Such questions might be on topic on Super User or Server Fault, but read their on-topic pages first. — Makyen 4 mins ago
 
@Makyen cool. I'll go with that. thanks for clearing that up with the comment
 

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