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9:01 AM
Android/java peeps here? Is there a canonical for errors with json parsing object/array mismatch?
 
Plop Ashish!
 
o/
 
@AshishAhujaツ Plop
 
9:09 AM
\o @Tunaki
 
@ashish Didn't you ask about SD privileges yesterday?
 
P|op @Magisch
@Magisch Yup.
PIop @Kyll
 
You can probably get them if you want
you just have to request them
 
Who do I have to request?
Who is "them"?
 
either ping one of the charcoal admins (Meta, ArtOfCode, Undo) or submit a pull request in the SD repository
 
What are you giving up on? there's hardly a discussion
 
@Magisch And how can I get SD privileges in this room?
Who should I request?
 
I need a pun for
 
@Magisch the auto-block system.
@AshishAhujaツ me :P or one of the other SD people, but I'm here.
 
@ArtOfCode Okay. Could I join?
 
9:15 AM
Are you already privileged somewhere, or are you new to SD?
 
@Kyll Convene to burn conventions
 
@ArtOfCode I joined SOCVR about a week ago, but I've quite got it.
I don't know advanced commands,
but the basic ones are known
 
@AshishAhujaツ make sure you understand the powers you get, specially with some of its commands
 
If you know the basics, you're good. Let me go add you, immediately end minutes or so.
 
@rene Okay.
 
9:16 AM
@AshishAhujaツ Whether or not you know the commands is not so important. Do you understand the errors you can make, and how you can fix them? Please give an example. =)
 
Immediately end? Autocorrect-_- give me 10
 
@Kyll Okay, I'll give an example.
For example, a spam post is posted.
It has a link in the dot
SD reports it
I don't find the link, and think it's a false positive
I do "sd f"
 
Okay. How do you fix that? Because there's spam that needs nuking, and it's now invisible.
 
Then someone reports that they found a link, and it's spam.
 
Kyll means how you fix a mistake, for example you do sd f but it was not a false positive
 
9:19 AM
You ping Kyll : )
 
@Kyll You flag it, and post that it's spam. You can also manually report it
 
I would say as long as you do not report any non spam, we will help you out
 
Like: !!/report abcde
 
@AshishAhujaツ really avoid this command!!!, ask in chat before
 
@PetterFriberg Not necessarily. Sometimes obvious spam is posted but it slips through the regexes
 
9:21 AM
I'm just saying for a new user, there is no hurry to report
you can ask in chat and find some agreement before
 
@PetterFriberg okay.
Was I correct?
 
Yup. Enjoy the flagging =D
 
Reporting wrong to smoke detector is not the end of the world other user can fix it and you can by your self metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com
 
The general idea is: you have lots of power and it needs to be used carefully. If you have the slightest doubt about spam or not, ask in chat
 
9:22 AM
The best way to fix it is to ping me, Undo, or hichris123. We can erase mistaken feedback.
 
@ArtOfCode not the need admin function?
 
So do I have privileges in this room also?
 
Waiting on CI builds, then I'll pull.
@PetterFriberg or that. Either one, to be honest - I check those reports regularly, and I also check chat regularly.
 
@AshishAhujaツ, start checking out the metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/posts, here you see all report spam so even if you remove from our chat its still there, the green check and x if you hover is whether it is a tp (k) or fp (f)
 
9:26 AM
Okay.
 
If you check a single post, there is also the needs admin function if you do something wrong
 
Clicking needs admin will ask you for a reason, which will get sent to the admin dash along with the post. I review those regularly, and I suspect Undo and hichris do too.
 
@AshishAhujaツ just be very very careful with the !!/report, ask in chat before, and you are home free.
 
Basicly
 
@ArtOfCode Quick question, in which cases would a post need an admin? AFAIK if there's any conflict about the spaminess / rudeness of a post they are discussed in the room
 
9:29 AM
Okay.
 
don't give feedback on posts where you're not certain
 
Got it.
 
@Kyll If someone failed and gave wrong feedback by accident for instance
or if something is a spam wave and needs a new regex or website blacklist
 
I'm one of the Charcoal developers, primarily on metasmoke, but I do have Smokey access too. I'm at for help if you need it, so are the friendly bunch in this room
 
or if some false flagging has happened on a sd f
 
9:30 AM
@Magisch AOC said above that fixing those would be easier with a ping
 
@Kyll nah, either one. That's what it was originally intended for, actually
 
Ah, k
 
If it's chat I've gotta find the post, if it's needs admin I'm already there, but the difference is minimal.
 
So fast...
 
@Tunaki post too long for sd to detect it?
 
9:35 AM
Very bad question.
 
@AshishAhujaツ Congrats
Your first command worked already
 
Oh thanks.
 
@AshishAhujaツ check out metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/27154, hover over the check
 
@PetterFriberg Already checked.
 
: ), yeah I saw now that Kyll had the check : )
 
9:40 AM
sd k is short for sd tpu-. tp means "true positive" (checkmark), u means "blacklist user", - means "shut up about it"
 
@Kyll - testing
 
Is zephyr not working today? The last message by it was posted 14 hours ago chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/773/low-quality-posts-hq
@Kyll and what happens if we do not put "-"?
 
Check next time, use sd tpu instead of sd k
 
Then you get feedback on your command
 
9:44 AM
So Magisch has suggested that we make Smokey reviewer stats public, including total reviews, invalidated feedback, and percent invalidated. Forgetting what your stats are - how happy would everyone be for that to happen, even if your stats weren't so good?
 
@ArtOfCode You mean personal stats?
 
go go go : )
 
@Kyll yep, per user
 
@Ashish Come on, you can do tpu =p
 
@TimCastelijns was hoping on Ashish
 
9:45 AM
Aw, too late
 
Nah, it'll accept two.
 
@ArtOfCode very happy, if you can't bare or handle critical feedback you don't belong in this room, tbh.
 
^
 
@ArtOfCode I have np with that
 
@ArtOfCode Meh. What would be the point?
No issue with the idea, I just don't really see what we'd make with the stats
 
9:46 AM
And more to the point - even if those stats make it obvious that you've crossed the ignore threshold.
 
Oh sorry. My internet connection just went out. I'll try tpu next time.
 
@Kyll greater accountability.
 
@ArtOfCode Why not then
 
A page to link to when someone gets worried about smokey, to say look we're actually pretty damn accurate.
 
I see where you're getting at then
 
9:49 AM
It seems like a good idea to me, I just want to make sure that nobody has a big issue with us exposing stats that are potentially negative reflections on the user.
 
@PetterFriberg i know but he was too slow
 
: )
not u!
(do not blacklist user has rep)
no!
 
Some >2k user just made that edit.
 
I would like this not only because I like to check my own stats and see that I stay at a good rate, but also because some people have growing fears with Smokey feedback and will make snide comments
 
yeah but it is a tp
 
9:51 AM
This could easily quell their fears
Custom flagging that edit
 
We should rollback right?
 
Yeah but to sd in this case you should make it a tp, not f
note: you avoid blacklisting the user, but confirms that report is correct
 
@PetterFriberg Okay. Sorry, I think I'll ask next time when there is a doubt.
 
For Vandalism edits its sd tp-
 
@kayess It's TB
 
9:53 AM
Okay.
 
@Kyll I could answer it like three ways so is POB.
 
@kayess TB literally means "There's too many possible answers" =p
 
@AshishAhujaツ np, same for questions that get vandalized, tp-
 
(f) for me
 
9:56 AM
Some people write questions like they write freaking SQL
 
Anyone editing?
 
Dat edit from a 15k tho.
sigh editing...
 
@ArtOfCode fix this please, metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/27157 we do not want to ruin @AshishAhujaツ career before he has started (it was an vandalism edit, so he was unsure of the command)
 
9:58 AM
@PetterFriberg Fix this, please =p
Editing done
ffk
 
Plop @Sam
 
Sam
Hey
Finally had the courage to get outta bed. :p
 
Hiya
 
@AshishAhujaツ, if you really fall in love with SD, you can start monitoring the whole SE network from here Characoal HQ
@Kyll The 4% level hits hard on new user : )
Hi Sam
 
Sam
10:07 AM
o/
 
@Sam \O
 
there is really a huge difference on the how long spam lives on SO and other SE networks
 
Sam
yep
 
@PetterFriberg Okay. Already joined there yesterday.
You'll see a few messages of mine
 
10:13 AM
@NitinGohel flagged as too chatty
 
@AshishAhujaツ For now you can not send commands there, you need to ask to be privileged, I would advise to work some form SOCVR and when you get the hang of it, you can ask for priv also there. (create accounts on all other site's you can flag)
 
@PetterFriberg Okay.
 
spam (translated to casino)
 
check posted same answer : stackoverflow.com/questions/37023987/…
by lion
@PetterFriberg @Tunaki what can we do at this situation ?
 
The time difference seem to small
 
10:23 AM
check the same use's answer and its comment : stackoverflow.com/a/36760976/1280373
 
@NitinGohel We don't target users here make sure you just ask about post contents
 
i just said what i seen not targeting use
 
@PetterFriberg its about 5 minutes ... I don't think its small
 
i said that the use must be add as a comment
anyway i dont mind i just do what i have found
@kayess
 
If this way is right ... than anybody can copy and paste same things which is answer just a few minutes ago :)
 
10:26 AM
@EICaptain hmm 4-5 minutes, I do not think a mod will take action on a post like that, the code is slightly different, it the grace time, you need to find a pattern a single post is nothing.
 
lol its ok
 
However since we do not moderate users in here, the only option you have is a mod flag
 
@NitinGohel Yeah ok, don't take it personal just a slight note :p
 
@PetterFriberg hmm .. looks pretty same ... but its ok
 
lol not like that i just try to show you how user use so now a days
 
10:28 AM
its already gone?
 
yeah, answerer nuked it
 
so proper action is sd remove ?
 
@NitinGohel Yeah I know : ), they use many tricks to gain rep... but in the end I hate most answering duplicate...
 
If some users just begs for upvotes obtrusively over and over again can this be custom flagged?!
 
@SmokeDetector remove (user with rep, probably cat on key board)
 
10:31 AM
@PetterFriberg I don't have personal problem with him but I just said him tomorrow in this Q&A stackoverflow.com/questions/36982262/…
thats why I just ask you .. is it ok or not :)
 
@EICaptain We really do not discuss user
 
@PetterFriberg ok
 
but in general if you find patterns and think something is not correct you can use a custom mod flag
be sure to explain your case
 
:)
its ok
 
@PetterFriberg ok ... I am not discussing user ... I am just ask you that same pattern for answers ... its ok I'll take care of mod. flag :)
 
10:36 AM
Does anyone of you know if there is a SEDE query that would allow me to query to see if the questions I have answered have been linked in other posts ?
 
@EICaptain its a problem of coordinating voting that is not allowed on SO (specially targeting user), that's why we avoid these issue, hence we can not say how you should vote ecc. In this case the spam or abusive flag can not be used so you only option is a custom mod flag.
 
@kayess yes, that is in postlinks meta.stackexchange.com/a/2678/158100
 
@PetterFriberg hmm .. got it thanks :)
 
@rene Ok thanks I will give it a look
 
I just today discovered how many flower puns you can make about @rene
Like when rene is angry that someone should water him to cool down
Or jokes about people smelling rene
 
10:41 AM
@EICaptain anyway nice to see you : ), you like to learn more see the FAQ
 
@Magisch Or send bees to his direction
 
@Magisch You assume I have emotions?
2
 
@rene You're a flower, of course you do
Blades of grass get scared when you mow their neighbours
 
@EICaptain There is a whole iOS / Swift team by now so I guess you can really make a difference in keeping clean those tags if you like to coordinate reviewing say hello to @Drew or @JAL
 
@PetterFriberg ok ...
hello @Drew @JAL how are you guys???
 
10:44 AM
: ), they will be in later...
 
:D ... anyway this ping reached to them :)
 
Back
 
Sam
wb
 
@Kyll is in tha house (chat)
 
ty Sam
 
10:48 AM
@EICaptain If you like to install users script and know about cv-pls request I guess @NitinGohel is the guy to ask : )
 
@PetterFriberg ok ... I'll contact him for this
 
11:02 AM
@Lundin closed with fire
 
Sam
@Yam stats
 
Yam
I'm currently watching 405 posts.
 
11:17 AM
@IanKemp o/
 
Sam
@Magisch o/
 
@Sam o/
 
You're learning so fast
 
Sam
I knew that train wouldn't last long :p
 
Train of typos
@KhalidHussain Unclear, TB, borderline Tool Rec or POB
Just close that
 
@KhalidHussain Voted
 
@Kyll edited
 
11:27 AM
Seems NAA "My earlier answer was deleted by Vinoth Krishnan so posting this as another answer." stackoverflow.com/a/37026244/3186722
 
wat..? How could a 2k possibly delete an answer?
@KhalidHussain Also, it is an answer because it contains information relevant to solving the issue in the question
 
@Kyll Probably what happened is his answer got killed in the LQP queue and he saw the review comment from that guy and assumed it was only him
 
Last report is very fishy
NAA, borderline spam
 
@Kyll ok....
 
@Kyll Managing Director at Oye Trade
 
11:30 AM
Is it sd n?
 
not just borderline, blatant spam to me
 
Guys that's spam
 
o_o
 
: ) yeah check the link
 
Don't think something ever got so many ks
 
11:31 AM
I ninjad all of you : )
 
That guy is by his own admission managing director of that site
and the site has literally nothing to do with the Q
 
So it's spam :(
 
Hi guys, Just in for sometime o/
 
Sam
Hiya
 
Plop @BhargavRao
 
11:32 AM
Plop @BhargavRao
 
@BhargavRao Link?
 
the link above
 
So I was right
\o/
 
I was exactly right
Behold my prophetic powers
 
Sam
@AshishAhujaツ Hmm
 
@Sam Is it alive?
 
@BhargavRao I'd have voted "Looks OK". Is it an abusive review? I'm not sure this should have been deleted, it looks like an answer
 
Sam
@AshishAhujaツ Checking...
 
11:35 AM
Okay.
 
@Kyll I'd have voted "Edit". Borderline NAA
Shouldn't have been deleted
 
Worth doing anything about it?
 
@Kyll I don't think so. The user has already answered the question again.
 
Sam
@AshishAhujaツ Yeah, it seems like it.
 
@Sam So you know why it is not working?
 
Sam
11:37 AM
No idea
I've pinged Andy though.
 
Who's Andy?
 
Andy the Autoflagger
Has a bot for everything.
 
Okay, is he the one who created zephyr?
 
Sam
Yeah
Andy runs him on his server too.
 
@PetterFriberg wasn't it "sd tp"?
It had repeating characters. I edited it out.
 
11:43 AM
no just a user that did not know what to post to avoid it beeing to short
 
Oh bhargav beat me in editing.
 
tp- when someone is vandalising.
 
Morning
 
Sam
Hiya
 
Plop @NathanOliver
 
11:44 AM
@AshishAhujaツ I guess there is a lock for new user on minimum amount of chars.
 
That was done just to prevent the minimum - content sanity checks on new users
10k'S: Am I hallucinating or did Oded delete his answer here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/322395/… ?
 
@AshishAhujaツ use tp- if so someone is vandalizing or if you see gibberish post of rep user
with gibberish post of 1 rep user (or unregistred) you can use k
 
Wow I just got the generalist badge on meta. I didn't even know I was close.
 
11:47 AM
@AshishAhujaツ it similar to flagging with the exception that we confirm also destruction of post (hence in these case you will not flag, but rollback), so no flag no black listing
 
Sam
@NathanOliver congrats
 
Plop Nathan
 
ty. Hi kyll.
 
I'm confused. This post is clearly recommending to post the q on a forum called OMPF. The answer is even saying that it is a good forum. Is it spam, and should I report it to sd? stackoverflow.com/a/2669781/5735775
 
11:51 AM
@AshishAhujaツ Not spam. It is NAA though
From the dark days of 6 years ago
 
Also by a 8k user with 7 years on the siter
 
One downvote is enough. Maybe the user will come back and tell himself, "Oh God. Ew ew ew ew ew delete"
 
@Kyll The user is not gonna delete his own post. He was last active on April 11th.
 
Uh.
 
11:54 AM
We have to delete it :)
 
\0 @Kyll
 
P\op Nitin!
 
Plop @NitinGohel
 
@NathanOliver Congrats, Hopefully at the end of this year you'll get the diamond! :)
@NitinGohel Hi
 
hi @BhargavRao
 
11:55 AM
@BhargavRao That would be nice
 
(it depends on others too)
 
@NathanOliver Are you running for that?
 
When is the mod election 2016?
 
6-8 weeks
 
Okay.
I someone from this room running?
 
11:59 AM
Maybe, we'll see =p
 

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