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10:01
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW left another comment
Hi all o/
@BhargavRao Hiya o/
Down with fever :(
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@BhargavRao aw get better soon!
10:02
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Why does stackoverflow shows that you edited the post?
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Yep, taking rest today.
@BhargavRao - Olo
Dropped in to say, I might not be able to conduct NATO strikes :/
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW I tweaked it a little
hey TLM :)
10:02
@marddean Please stop attempting to make edits to a post that are being rejected - it's creating more work on the site for people reviewing your work. If it's not wanted, please stop pushing the issue. — Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sW 3 mins ago
@BhargavRao Hiya o/
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@Ferrybig on the edit review queue and the same post came up twice! LOL in fact two posts have come up twice! Bad luck for these reviewers
@TheLostMind Woolo o/
@Ferrybig Hiya o/
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@JonClements thanks :D
Hi @JonCle :)
10:03
It conveys your original message with a more amicable tone to it :)
@Bhargav cbg :)
@JonClements cbg o/
Fine then, I'll just go and take rest. afk ...
@BhargavRao Huh?
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@JonClements yes your totally correct. I had two reviewers take a bite at the same question while reviewing, you'd think they'd take a hint. If they miss obvious things when editing, I reject and edit it. I think if they're going to make the effort, then do a good job.
Did the cv-pls userscript (running it with Greasemonkey+FF) stopped working at anyone else as well?
3 mins ago, by Bhargav Rao
Down with fever :(
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10:05
You'll all see me on meta later I'm sure - headlines - nasty user rejects edits twice! on two posts!
how do all these delphi questions come up lately? Is delphi still a thing?
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW surely you made a mistake but "nasty user" is referring to you now lol
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@TimCastelijns yeh I know! I am enjoying the "news type sensationalism" you know :D I have a strange sense of humour it's hard to get it right
@kayess, are you aware of using only to fast track the gems?
@SmokeDispenser Yup.
10:09
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Oh I thought you would be making the meta post, my bad
@kayess, you cv-pls things that are in the queue already and about to be closed anyhow; and a lot, too :)
@SmokeDispenser Ah! Alright, I'm going to stop.
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@JonClements I noticed that serial voting person got all their rep stripped, I figured a pocket account (my new word abbrev for sock puppet) or voting fraud
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@TimCastelijns oh ah k
@MsYvette who knows hey? :p
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10:11
@JonClements :D
@kayess, for usual closing, the queue is fine, imho, as per our rules :)
@JonClements Someone is running a mass search of Questions tagged JQuery but not Javascript and adding in only the tag
@kayess, a regular flag/cv might suffice, if it is obvious:)
What am I supposed to do with this? Just reject all of them? Raise a modflag`?
@SmokeDispenser Noted!
10:12
@Magisch, does the tag actually make sense there? e.g. are the questions vanilla? if not, reject w/ irrelevant tags :)
@Magisch they won't be making further suggested edits - I'll go through those shortly to avoid everyone wasting their reviews
@JonClements Thank you sir :)
@SmokeDispenser As per the rules, pretty much all new questions fit. Either a new question is in a low-traffic tag and won't be closed quickly, or it's in a high-traffic tag where FGITW predate
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW I don't understand, what are you saying/asking
10:14
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW nosie!
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@Magisch pst you need to get him scooby snacks
gets jon some scooby snacks
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@SmokeDispenser hehehe I know, I was submitting and like doh!
Do questions put "on hold" count as a strike against an account (and help lead to banning) ?
@Kyll That. For the very same reason I have put a lot cv-pls to here... even because I had like 40 flags aging away because noone checked low-traffic tags.
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10:15
@TimCastelijns reduce nosie, I just thought that was a funny typo
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@JohannesJander yes
@JohannesJander The question ban algo is fickle and complicated
But why does it say "Add code sample format /reduce nosie"
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@JohannesJander you're welcome!
10:16
but yes closed questions count more heavily against you then non closed questions
@TimCastelijns Because when editing over a review the previous edit message is kept
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@TimCastelijns I was reviewing a suggested edit, so improved it and added my reason after the original editor and made a typo
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For some reason reduce nosie just cracks me up, am I a plastic surgeon?
Oh so it concats the reasons? that's dumb
@Kyll, noted. still weird; most of @kayess' cv-pls's had a cv from me on them already.
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10:18
@TimCastelijns you can change it altogether, I just tack something on - it can all be traced as to what was done where
(and no, I'm not actively browsing those tags)
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Ok I'm outta votes, going back to unity3d 2d game, but get notifications from SD and am available for pings, if you all need my gracious presence :D
@SmokeDispenser Even though if we need to keep the amount of cv-pls down I can really stop doing it and let the queue handle it as much it can.
@kayess at least that was my understanding of "[cv-pls] should not be a habit for users. (Don't make it an instinct to fast-track every eligible post to the front of the closure system. Exceptions are okay if the post is really bad or the users in that tag can't close the post in time.)"
10:24
@PraveenKumar, more LOA
@SmokeDispenser Alright. Just some example of those aged aways 1 2 3 And I have like 70 other of those..
@PraveenKumar it's a link-only answer ... too late a LOA
So many of the tag only edits got approved
even in questions clearly about jquery
The funny part is, it got a vote up too. LoL.
10:27
Anyone with a quick edit here stackoverflow.com/questions/36032799/…?
@kayess ^ :)
@SmokeDispenser :)
@SmokeDispenser Just wrote those as example here, so you might get a taste of some of those say unusual cv-pls's
This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful (click again to undo)rene 18 secs ago
@rene lol
@kayess, as for the others, I'm in doubt and personally would not vote because of that.
@Magisch we can have fun, yes?
10:29
@rene No fun allowed!
@rene never.
@rene No nevar! No fun allowed #1337
no rights to k
@Magisch well, that was a fun click fest - thanks for pointing out those suggested edits :p
@Kyll You are bad.
Didn't give time for my comment.
:D
10:31
@PraveenKumar Barely had time for mine! I didn't even flag haha
@JonClements He started doing that yesterday too
and like 20 of them were approved god knows why
@SmokeDispenser Just ask a room owner, if they agree, we make a pull request to smokey so you have privelages
Ha ha ha...
I was planning to write an essay on the benefits of spam posts and flagging. LoL.
haha. finished triage, still have bullets left.
coffee and cigarete it is now :)
Suggested Edits audits are always so obvious
Not sure if spam or LQ_Link only
10:40
^^ same borderline decision for me
@Magisch i went for NAA / link only
The website he is linked is not finished....
The website is at least not a malware spammer
Idk, I'm not flagging that as spam, but im also not keen on it.
@Magisch You seen the website?
@Ferrybig No, im not clicking that at work, but I churned it through virustotal.com
10:43
Is this too broad or tool rec?
Signed up today to post a non-specific link to a 5-year old answer. I flagged it as spam.
@SmokeDetector I think it should be marked as a true positive
This is so hideously broad stackoverflow.com/questions/35941585/…
and has a bounty on it
of course
@Ferry Waffles
No people wanting to gone that post?
@Ferrybig Already dealt with
10:53
And we forgot to mark it as k
@SmokeDetector sd k
The graveyard of posts
stackoverflow.com/a/36033293 answer full of errors. He deletes it and after he undeletes it he gets an upvote in seconds...
11:08
@Undo Hi. There?
@rene Hi. There?
@kayess we have at least 1200 java questions with close votes on them that will never close. Just an fyi. So we have to take the cream of the crop to focus on
@Drew, I had that talk with @kayess about 2 hours ago;)
I know.
I was just putting a number on it. It is not from a lack of wanting to close. We just lack the close voters
@Drew, I see :)
@PraveenKumar slightly ..
11:14
@Drew, by the way, I might loose my 3k soon. just went meta.
I guess either nothing happens or the Q gets deleted :)
@SmokeDispenser this was how I started my day stackoverflow.com/questions/36031694
@Drew, with upping my comment?;)
no I didn't look. Just the fact that that was the question. The level of quality. Here was number two
@SmokeDispenser I doubt it. You'd need about 150 downvotes :p
You have a higher chance of getting a reversal badge
@SmokeDispenser Your not loosing your 3k, even if the Q is deleted, you will only loose a maximum of 175 rep
11:18
@rene Just a quick question about metasmoke parsing... Do you have any idea on it?
@Ferrybig, I see.
@PraveenKumar Uh, no. I don't do any metasmoke stuff, try @ProgramFOX or @hichris123
@Kyll, did you even read the part on comments in the Q?;)
@rene Okie thanks. :)
@PraveenKumar I might be able to answer it, I am commonly active in the Charcoal HQ where Undo and other members are available
11:19
and we have @Ferrybig ... sorry
@Ferrybig In the repo, I am trying to find the posts parser and categoriser. Where exactly is that?
@Kyll, I did make the comment part more clear in an edit though.
@Sam, I did send a pull request on the auto comments gh. If you're wondering where that comes from.
@SmokeDispenser Deleted obsolete comment
@PraveenKumar posts_controller.rb Is called when a post arrives from smokedetector, smokedetector gives the list of reasons to metasmoke
@Ferrybig Ah, I need to understand Ruby now... Grr..
Okie thanks... :)
11:28
@Drew Roger, got it.
@kayess it gets a bit depressing and we aren't even allowed to recruit
But at least the questions are funny. And might get roomba'd
@Drew True that, I wonder if there could be any alternatives to it.
Is this uhm.. cross language question or ?
Some include Bank on no accepted answers and downvotes. Pray for non-dupe closures. And roomba. And self-deletes :p
@Ferrybig - I wonder, is there anything that's written in Java?.
@TheLostMind The charcoal HQ has no java projects in the github profile, and I don't know of any internal java projects
11:32
@TheLostMind I havent seen you in here yet
plop
@Ferrybig - Ya. Looks like few people use Java here :P
@Magisch - Plop!
@TheLostMind I like to use java
@Magisch plop
Java part of the day some days*
@Ferrybig - OK. Now I am smiling :P
At least there is Minecraft that is written with java
11:34
@Ferrybig Bane of my existance
I have to write my plugins in java
@TheLostMind Hola
TLM, sorry for the meta ping;)
@kayess I think a viable strategy for <3k's is to march thru questions that are shabby and downvote them. In 30 days they have a good chance of getting deleted. One of my bots tracks that (shows them all lined up and slaughtered). Lacking that detail for 99.99% of people may be discouraging, but DEL tends to be the result. The meta question a few days ago about the percent of unanswered questions is related. Unanswered = good in my mind as it plays into this. Answered and accepted is not helpful
11:39
@SmokeDispenser You didn't lose your reputation? Even though your nice answer is deleted?
@Ferrybig, I lost the rep.
Rep is such a quaint notion
If I ever hit 10k im gonna stop there
@Ferrybig, which is not a concern, but losing that answer is horrible, imho
(for all those people trying to do such things and using md5 and... sigh)
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@Magisch tell me about it. Answering questions can be just more problems than it's worth if it's not that exact right question.
can anyone tell me if op deleted or if mods did?
11:42
I really like using this site for QA and cleaning the filth off it
answering is more of a necessity
@SmokeDispenser OP didn't
then a mod really thought that does not help at all?
users deleted it
@SmokeDispenser 3 20k users delete-voted it
meh. I might even shuffle away from SO, that is just really frustrating.
that should not happen with high-vote accepted answers, should it?
Jan you need to remember that for 15 days the OP benefited from this process. Keep it in perspective
If we are here to help people, then you did that.
11:49
Ummm... I'm in two minds about that one - closed definitely, should you have answered it, meh, probably not... the fact it is answered and fairly nicely - did it really warrant deletion though... ummmm
Morning
meh. shuffleing away with frustration. see you tomorrow. maybe.
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@NathanOliver \o
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@SmokeDispenser \o
11:51
Its always discouraging to spend lots of time answering something and then OP or someone else just deletes it
Happened to me a few times, since then I only answer short questions usually
@Magisch I believe they are working on that.
I've shifted to a more efficiency based approach when answering
Spending an hour walking an OP through his shit code to then get 25 rep from it or worse yet have them delete your stuff or walk away as soon as they have the solution is not worth it
@SmokeDispenser - The only wrong thing about that answer is that its too good :).
skimming 20 or 30 off a question with already 4-5 answers with chain upvotes in 5 minutes is alot easier on the nerves
Morning all
11:54
@DavidG o/
@DavidG Olo
morning David
I used to care more about helping new users
@Magisch and never answer a question for an OP under 30 rep unless it is a charity case
@Drew Good one.
11:56
@Drew Oddly enough, many of my negative experiences (Helping op for an hour+ even through chat and then them going off/deleting their q as soon as they got their fill) was by users of 500+ rep
the rep 1 peeps that flee and create a new account. No thanks. Unless I am in Gandhi mode
then it is just comment answers
@Magisch Feee?
An hour of my time is easily worth 50 bucks
just using it up and then not even acknowledging it is plain disrespectful
@Drew - What's a Gandhi mode?
Sometimes helping new users pays off
when they listen and are thankful for the help
more often then not though not
12:00
@TheLostMind Sometimes isn't ones own interpretation better? Like reading a book?
hmm OK
Omg?
So fast?
mod sniped
58 seconds
slackers
12:02
@PraveenKumar You're too slow, :)
Not fair with @TheLostMind in this channel
:D
Hampering my ability to farm helpful flags
3993 helpful flags \o/
Palindrome number
@Ferrybig :( :(
ADs on SO are a curious case
The only internet ads yet where I've ever bought stuff in response to
Do tell us what you bought :p
12:09
@Magisch - ?
@TheLostMind I found the option to opt out of the reduced ads privilege
By some system SO makes ads that I want to buy stuff from while other companys try to sell me obvious garbage
@BillWoodger didnt we burninate coding-style along with all of those other fluffy tags like code-quality?
@cimmanon I think that was code smell and that was put on hold. There is a request though to have it burninated: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/278455/…
12:15
@TheLostMind What do you think of this?
A user posted this question 15 hours ago and was placed on hold (No MCVE), now he asked this question which is the same question but with code. Do we tell him to delete the former?
@Adriaan Yes, go for it. :)
@PraveenKumar you jumped me to it, thanks :P
@Adriaan Ha ha ha...
@PraveenKumar - Would be OK if he adds some details from that link.
Will leave a comment @PraveenKumar
12:17
@TheLostMind Would you like to leave a comment? Ah, awesome! :)
@PraveenKumar - Will keep an eye on that post. If the OP doesn't add any details, will move it to a comment
@TheLostMind Great. :) I have my downvote on it. So, don't wanna waste a rep on such useless post. :D
I see lol
It continues to boggle my mind how people can mangle english
Im not a native speaker myself but writing such gibberish would be embarassing to me
12:21
@Magisch - It was asked and (answered ) here on SO
@TheLostMind Man, don't you have access to who voted who? :P
@PraveenKumar - Umm no
@TheLostMind Woah?!
@PraveenKumar Mods don't have that
@Magisch Then who has it?
12:21
SE Devs do
Community managers dont even
@Magisch Er I am going on a strike. :P
And SE Devs use it very sparingly
@Magisch Gotcha.
And even they explicitly dont have it on their own posts
12:22
Recently there was a survey (forgot the topic/name) where you had to guess how many pennies were in a piggybank or something, does anyone know what Im talking about and if the results are published?
I mean they could look into the database but still
@TimCastelijns That was part of the 2015 SO Developer survey
But the pennies are not in the results
@TimCastelijns It was revealed here
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@Magisch my first game is linked in silly hats if you'd like a look (it's not finished) and has no blobs :D
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW No ranchable slime?
I'll take a look when I get off work
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12:26
@Magisch forgive me?
@TheLostMind @SmokeDispenser this is an example of a Gandhi mode Q&A where you know the OP is clueless and you pray for zero follow-up questions. It reminds us that we care, and that we generally don't want to do this littering of the site with 50 comments under an answer. All we can hope is that some people at some point gain some insight from it. Because it is not fun
Back.
Huge network issue at my company. Everything is down nation-wide :D
@Tunaki gg. What did you break?
@Tunaki That's when you're happy to have a 3/4G key
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@Tunaki you are smiling? why?
12:34
Maybe he is laughing watching the network guys acting like the sky is falling
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Because French people like chaos
I also get cheerful when our Sysadmin runs around like the house is on fire because something broke
A part of me wants to watch the world burn.
The last time it happened, it was tracked down to an intern that deleted a complete IIS configuration.
@Drew amazing I would have disappeared at the first follow-up
@Tunaki Why do interns at your place have access to that?
12:35
I think that was my last "let's marry the guy" answer
@Magisch Beats me.
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@Kyll as much as cheese?
@Tunaki We have an intern
@Drew Your last what now?
I gave him a pc not on the net w/o internet access
12:36
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Cheese is chaos
and he has no admin on that pc
and im already conscious that he might mess something up
@Kyll when two people can't shake one another for days, best to just move in together and write code for the guy
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Yeah it's funny when everything goes down and network guys are going crazy
@Drew Got it
@Tunaki Your company, do you also have a single password for all the backend admin stuff?
12:38
@Tunaki And then you shoot, "We already lost a hundred and fifty thousand dollars in sells and productivity! Someone's head going to faaaaaaall!"
@Drew he could have simply given you the DB admin password
Rob
Rob
@PraveenKumar @TheLostMind They don't seem to be duplicate questions. They're both about the same application he's making, yes.. but one is a broad question about how to do for loops in matlab, and the second is about a specific error when trying to write to a matrix
@user2314737 They want SO to be a tutorial site. It isn't. That is what @SmokeDispenser needs to remember. Not quit in frustration over the meta delete. But remind yourself what the likely outcome is going to be. In my case, help 1 person. And lose hours.
Rob
Rob
Looks like he attempted to implement the code from the first question, and is now stuck on a new issue
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ok all night night!
12:41
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Good night
night
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Don't let the monitors bite you
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Bonne nuit =D
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12:41
oops no head
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\o
I find it funny that certain lizards are called monitors
@TheLostMind See this: stackoverflow.com/a/36031734/462627 What an answer update again. Shouldn't say, but funny it was.
I always picture a PC screen stalking prey in high grass when I hear that
Florida monitor lizard youtube videos are spookie. Especially for people with small pets
12:44
I want to cuddle one
I got to pet a large Komodo Dragon in a zoo once
TunaSpam! :P
@Tunaki SpamNaki
@Magisch I read that really wrong
Sam
Sam
@Kyll I don't think so, also the link's dead.
12:51
@Sam That's because we're lowly <10k
Sam
Sam
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Closey will only ping you if you reach the review limit.
The ping at midnight thing has been removed.
morning!
Sam
Sam
Morning
@gunr2171 Hiya
@PraveenKumar A. switch to a database that doesnt suck :p
Sam
Sam
12:53
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW There isn't a "dump" command
morning gunr
@cimmanon how would you do that with postgres or sqlserver?
@Drew i dont use sqlserver, so i dont know. ive never sat down to try it, but the first thing i would try is to use generate_series on a range of dates
btw, the mysql question is a duplicate (and the mysql solution stinks ><)
@cimmanon it seems (shock, horror) no-one reads the tag wiki for their random sprinkling of tags (re coding-style).
The answer is generally the same on any db engine
12:58
you have to create an actual table for mysql, you dont in postgres
@cimmanon perfhaps the burnination is a work-in-progress, meta.stackoverflow.com/a/315208/1927206
I really wish there was an easy native JS clipboard API
Runtime optimizations are often (read: next to always) overlooked. Simple routes as somehow more powerful
Gives people the warm and fuzzies

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