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00:22
man, I hate edit time limits
I hate the edit in general... Never works for me
Well there's a 2 minute time limit on chat
That's probably what you're hitting
Even when I get it within 2 minutes, half the time the text doesn't popup for me to edit :P
Sounds like connection issues
Very possible, although I do have a typically reliable connection.
00:50
@Signal That did bug me in the past - but it's there for a good reason
(ie - you can't go back in the past and completely amend the history of your side of a conversation etc...)
01:03
@JonClements Yeah, I agree with that, but I feel like 5 minutes would be way better
that's standard on most sites where you can edit stored messages anyway
I think it's just 'cos chat is meant to be real-time - so 2mins was decided on
@TylerH I think IIRC there's probably an FR on MSE regarding that - to make it more like comments
Rob
Rob
01:49
Wow. Someone's angry
a bit over the top
I always wonder what makes a user make a post like that
like, if it's a user who joined that day, that's one thing
but that guy'd been around a while, had lots of answers, etc.
mind altering chemicals
why now
I'm talking about the deleted answer
01:55
Yes me too
Rob
Rob
Maybe he got annoyed his terrible questions were not well received?
he has no answers. 11 questions
umm... interesting account... I'm having a look
sorted - bbl guys/gals
nite Jon
well, answers, questions, same thing. Posts
02:06
lol
I think thats the best one I've come across throughout my time here so far
02:48
Just when I thought I'd seen it all...
Rob
Rob
03:43
This meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/318885/… really annoys me. The entire problem wasn't fixed, so let's undo hours of work and steps towards a fix.
@Rob Right?... Grrrrrrrrrrrr.
user3956566
@Rob I just can't understand the number of upvotes. 243 in 2 days.. shakes head
Rob
Rob
Probably because most people agree with the OP - the removal of comments was ridiculous and detrimental to the site
04:09
I don't see how it is helpful
Rob
Rob
I can kind of understand it. The regex engine is different from the regex engine which is again different from the regex engine
Each of them have their own quirks and sometimes different syntax completely
But when someone sees Java code they aren't thinking about a c# regex engine.
Rob
Rob
Yes, but it doesn't mean the tag is useless
That's why the technology/language/tool should be tagged. When a RegEx question is tagged with it should be clear
Rob
Rob
Well yes, but that goes against the current standard of tags. Same reason we have rather than tagging and
04:14
I agree with Tushar, I don't see a reason for it
@Rob is gone, merged with . And there is no guideline when the should be used thus ambiguous
And should be use accompanying with . T-boot... is a CSS framework and adding the tag makes the intent of the OP clear that OP want solution using t-b
Rob
Rob
@Tushar Yes - it was gone because it conflicted with other uses of bootstrap, just like potentially could. Either way, I feel like it's splitting hairs anyway, but still think a standard should be kept. Otherwise how will people know how to properly create tags/use them ?
@Rob What is javaregex? Do there exists something like that?
Rob
Rob
No, but tags don't necessarily reflect a physical entity. Twitter-bootstrap does not exist (anymore) :)
Anyway, I don't really care one way or the other.. just my view on it
there's only 2 questions so either way.. doesn't really matter.
user3956566
05:21
hi all
user3956566
05:42
@Rob the effort it would take to delete all the comments. sometimes this site has a passive-aggressive feel to it.
Rob
Rob
Pretty sure it was a one-click revert which makes it even worse. The official response is that it's better to 'do it properly', which is the exact opposite of the action taken by the mod
user3956566
@Rob oh and yes.. :/
Rob
Rob
Shog's answers typically get on my nerves though; it's either his way or you're wrong (plus insults)
Especially since he's a community coordinator - the responses don't seem (to me) to be very professional if you were to dare disagree
user3956566
@Rob Shog is usually pretty good and bright, but sometimes he is a bit inflexible and I feel he has excellent skills at somehow changing my opinion, even though I'm not sure I agree with him. Superb rhetoric skills.
user3956566
I have decided to treat Mods and Employees the same as anyone else and if I see something I don't agree with, calling them out on it. I think the community puts people on pedestals
05:47
The typical @Shog9 insightful post takes human psychology into account. We are awarding internet brownie points to inspire knee jerk quick fixes a significant portion of the time. The problem is when fixing a quick fix is not a quick fix. Taking a step back here is appropriate for all parties. — A. Webb 1 hour ago
user3956566
Generally there is just too much mud slinging on meta and I don't like the way it deteriorates into personal attacks so easily, reminds me of Australian parliament
user3956566
hi @Quill always nice to see you here :D
hey there
Rob
Rob
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Of course, I agree that he's usually righ*. Nevertheless, that doesn't change the fact that anyone who disagrees with him gets shutdown fast, and almost never in a polite or constructive way.
Though this time he did at least delete some comments (of his own)
user3956566
@Rob that was my way of agreeing with you in principal :D
Rob
Rob
05:54
Yep :)
Anyway time to head home.. ciao
user3956566
\o talk later!
06:07
Main site offline.
And back again.
user3956566
that was quick
would it be smart to give smokey the ability to move his deleted messages and the sd gone message out of the room after confirmation?
user3956566
@Quill up to @Undo
ofcourse
user3956566
@Quill just requesting it :D
user3956566
06:25
@AlexanderO'Mara that was very low quality
user3956566
@AlexanderO'Mara oh no, I thought you changed the question title as a joke, that IS the question title!
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW You can't make this stuff up!
user3956566
@AlexanderO'Mara I thought your comment was hilarious, even though we''re not supposed to be too jovial on such matters. 'All teh tagz'
06:40
user3956566
@Quill my nanna taught me, if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything.. no comment
user3956566
06:58
@AlexanderO'Mara the names of the posts you've been linking in here, for some reason are really making smile.
Plop!
Mornin, ladies and gents
@LinusKleen Hello
I haven't seen you in here previously, different time zones?
@Magisch Nope. German, too. And I've been in here before.
Mostly just lurking, though.
user3956566
07:14
hi @rene :D
user3956566
@LinusKleen hi
user3956566
hi @Magisch
What a curious case that is
a guy posting varying levels of quality of the same question on multiple accounts.
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
!!/amiprivileged
07:28
@Quill No, you are not a privileged user.
Is it just me, or is Smokey missing stuff lately?
user3956566
@WaiHaLee that was n == naa
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW ah, I am out of touch - didn't know we had 'n' now. I'll remember that for next time.
user3956566
@WaiHaLee yeh, it's new, which is why I mentioned it. Mind you, some people would argue that was an answer.
user4639281
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW That is an attempt to answer the question, not a valid NaA
user4639281
07:33
Crap answer, but an answer nonetheless
signing off
user4639281
night
Morning all
user4639281
mornin'
Good morning
user4639281
07:41
And I'm off to bed, night! (aren't timezones wonderful?)
@TinyGiant Timezones are the worst. Good night
@Magisch I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
user4639281
@Kyll It was actually rizier who made that typo, then I blew it out of the water immediately, and we've been hat'ing fun ever since.
Magisch passed an audit!
07:47
@DavidG a comment to my liking.. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/319026/…
user3956566
afk
user4639281
We used to have a lot more fun back then... before all of that happened.
Hey tiny
The user script to add a CV-pls button to close dialogue is from you right?
user4639281
Yep
Could you make it so I also have the little check mark when reviewing in the CV queue?
user4639281
07:49
Next version has that
user4639281
The "experimental version"
Nice :)
user4639281
@Magisch github.com/Tiny-Giant/myuserscripts/blob/master/… if you want to test it out, but you have to disable the existing script.
user4639281
It works anywhere there is a question, or a question is loaded by AJAX, including on scripts that I've written.
For some ungodly reason when I click "raw" tampermonkey doesn't prompt me to install scripts anymore
user4639281
07:52
Hmmm, there is a setting in the advanced settings for that which may have been turned off, but whenever someone has had that problem before, reinstalling TM has fixed it.
user4639281
However, you could also just copy the content of the file over into the script editor in tampermonkey's dashboard
user4639281
And now I'm actually off to bed, good night everyone!
Good night
@TinyGiant Good night
@Magisch You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 1 was an audit), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 20 minutes and 47 seconds, averaging to a review every 31 seconds.
08:03
So many bad questions today
mornin'
@Closey total reviews today
@SmokeDispenser Today, 2 members have reviewed a total of 44 items.
 | User                | Review Items Today |
 |------------------------------------------|
 | Magisch             | 40                 |
 | Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sW | 4                  |
All right.
@Magisch, what is the code reason for 'plz translate this code in language A into language B'?
@SmokeDispenser too broad/recommendation usually
there's a meta post of it somewhere
@SmokeDispenser Usually go with "Too broad"
08:08
@SmokeDispenser I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
!!/alive
@Adriaan Kinda sorta
@Magisch, @Adriaan, thanks :) too broad it is
kool
^spam
@Adriaan Do you have smokey privileges?
08:13
@Ferrybig Nop.
I do not have, too.
ah, ferry is there :)
@Ferry o/
@Magisch o/
Is this really vandalism?
Its not spam
@Magisch, attempt to reply or conflicts
08:15
@Magisch seems "clearly conflicts with author's intent: This edit deviates from the original intent of the post. Even edits that must make drastic changes should strive to preserve the goals of the post's owner." to me
It has 2 reject for spam and vandalism reviews. I think it could be an attempt to reply, but not that drastic
@Magisch the answer's dubious at best
>This edit defaces the post in order to promote a product or service, or is deliberately destructive.
is it, though?
@Magisch and the review is completed by someone else... Your rejection will be too late
btw, is there consent here that there is no auto comment snippet for 'you're using the wrong tags'? If not, I'd make a pull request on the repo today.
08:17
@Ferrybig I wonder, does a rejected edit for spam/vandalism carry extra penalty?
@Magisch Unsure of that, I assume it does the same things as a spam flag, but I am unsure
@Ferrybig In that case that was very unfair
because its not spam
It may be a attempt to reply, but not spam or vandalism
@user2314737 What IS that Q?
SmokeDispenser passed an audit!
08:19
@Ferrybig I guess I'll have too google it
@Magisch that was my question
That revision history
o_O
@Magisch, love #3
Specifically the tags O_o
@Magisch oh haha
@Kyll, plop
08:21
+6 answer
Plop!
5 mins ago, by SmokeDispenser
btw, is there consent here that there is no auto comment snippet for 'you're using the wrong tags'? If not, I'd make a pull request on the repo today.
@Magisch, seems like a meta answer.
Can we delete the question?
08:23
@Magisch, 11 people thought it funny and 5 understood the 'no fun'-policy;)
It definately doesn't belong on SO
@TinyGiant What happens during starry nights stays in starry nights! =p
@Magisch, nope. accepted answer with upvotes.
Or do we have to raise that on meta
@Magisch or find 6 people to DV and then delete it
08:24
@Sam Were you the one melancholic about answers of the past? =p
@Adriaan, it's from the good old days. no need to dv, imho;)
@Magisch Last active 5 years ago and closed. Meh.
Don't think its worth a historic significance lock, don't think its worth keeping either.
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Yep, I liked your answer to my question.
@Magisch agreed
08:33
@TimCastelijns I brought it up on meta, maybe a kind mod will put it down
Morning!
@kayess plop
Hey kayess
@Magisch Hiya \o
@TimCastelijns Hey Tim
@Kyll It was mod deleted \o/
08:39
> Nothing weird about the question or any of the answers.
In the context of the fresh SO =p
TIL: SO used to be /r/programming
@Magisch BoltClock answered: he deleted the question
@Adriaan I already noticed
@Ferrybig merge done
My plan of raising it on meta worked
08:41
@JonClements That was really quick, will update my metapost if I am done writing my other answer
@Magisch is your Q obsolete now? Should it be deleted? Questions man..
@Magisch :)
@TimCastelijns Is it? IDK, if you think so, cast a delete vote or raise it on meta yourself
:D
No DV for me :(
Has there ever been propositions for an "obsoleted" or "insecure" banner of sorts which could be applied to answers?
08:51
@gunr2171, I created a pull request on the auto comments, if you are wondering where that came from.
Hiya o/
Hiyo\o
Plop!
hey @Tunaki
I came across something interesting yesterday
or... someone
08:54
Blonde, brunette?
@Tunaki Hiya o/
"I posted this un-embedded IMAGE of code, why was I downvoted?!"
@Tunaki Plop!
@TimCastelijns, cannot find it... it was a question from a user named 'IThrowTunaAtPeopleOccasionally' :)
lol
08:57
what is this: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/319078/… (watch out: NSFW)]
might be NSFW?
@rene Not something that belongs on meta
@rene Yes, it might.
I reckoned that
Can anyone come up with a decent dupe for meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/319077/…
There is bound to be one
@rene, I just opened it at work. I feel safe :)
08:59
lol
Needs one more delvote
jokes on you I have displaying embedded images disabled so I'll never know
Can you close SO meta questions as SE meta dupes?
@rene Got destroyed
@Magisch No
@Magisch google for "why was my question downvoted site:meta.stackoverflow.com" doesn't yield a lot of useful results on meta.so
09:02
Isn't there a help page for that?
@Kyll A few yes.
Oh wow
that guy got something like 20 downvotes since he asked that meta question
@Kyll I'm just a simple programmer :p when someone asks for a dupe, I try to give them a dupe, not a help page
@rene Which happened as I'm typing this answer. Peace is restored. - made me chuckle :p
09:06
@Magisch Thats the meta effect
Sometimes I feel bad for new people asking questions on meta and getting crushed under the boot of meta
That guy is probably eating a Q ban very soon
@Magisch, also, he is ranting on about the arrogant snobs, probably
@JonClements thanks and I'm sorry but can you check the flag I just raised on meta.so?
Gotta say though, its a very disheartening new user experience
@Magisch, aye, it is.
09:09
"Hey why are my questions downvoted" proceeds to recieve 20 downvotes in 10 minutes and gets both of his questions closed
@Magisch Meh. There's way enough helpful content around, accessible with very simple tools (clicking the help button, a search engine).
@Magisch I downvotes only the meta post because he didn't ask a question, and used close votes on his questions, but no drive by downvottes form my
If he had spent 2 mins reading the How To Ask, he never would have been in this situation, it's his fault
I used to be terrified of asking on SO and still am to some extent
that fear is mostly justified :D
Okay guys, no need to pounder it.
09:12
SmokeDispenser passed a audit!
woooohoooo!
who would've thought that
Closey makes the close votes more fun, :D
@JonClements I wonder, does a edit rejection due to spam/vandalism carry extra penaltys?
still alive, engage nukes
@rene Sorted - thanks for that
Waffles and patatos
09:18
I sniped @Ferrybig :o
09:33
@JonClements o/
@Praveen \o
@SmokeDispenser You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 2 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 1 hour, 28 minutes, and 39 seconds, averaging to a review every 2 minutes and 12 seconds.
and done.
@SmokeDispenser Now you can feel lonely when all the [cv-pls] requests go by and slowly die inside if you review Triage.
@Kyll, 15 bullets left.
09:42
There's no in the CV queue (that I haven't reviewed). Is the clean-up done..?
@Kyll, @Tunaki started editing yesterday
I think you were around :)
@Kyll I was asking myself the same question. Maybe we're done with the questions that needed to be closed
@rene Nice, I'll begin an editing spree later today then
user3956566
Does Closey respond to this type of thing "You have no more close votes today; come back in 14 hours."
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW yes
user3956566
09:47
@Closey You have no more close votes today; come back in 14 hours.
user3956566
hm waiting
user3956566
@Closey commands
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Here is a list of commands you have permission to run:
add [user id] to [group name] - Manually adds a user to the given permission group.
alive - A simple ping command to test if the bot is running.
approve request [#] - Approves a pending permission request.
audit stats - Shows stats about your recorded audits.
commands - Shows this list.
current tag - Get the tag that has the most amount of manageable close queue items from the SEDE query.
help - Prints info about this software.
membership - Shows a list of all permission groups, and the members in those permission groups.
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW, hey there!:)
user3956566
@SmokeDispenser hi
09:48
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW can you do @closey my membership?
user3956566
@Closey my membership
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW You are in the Reviewer group.
user3956566
@Closey dump
Weird, you are registered, but closey didn't detect you
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW I don't think so, you might get a message at 0:00 UTC when it reports your total reviews but that feature might have been disabled
09:49
@Closey total reviews today
@SmokeDispenser Today, 3 members have reviewed a total of 113 items.
@rene why did cosey ignore the dump command from MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW?
 | User                | Review Items Today |
 |------------------------------------------|
 | Magisch             | 40                 |
 | SmokeDispenser      | 40                 |
 | Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sW | 33                 |
user3956566
Closey saw me start, but I didn't finishing reviewing because I ran out of reviews, but votes @Sam @gunr2171 so had this message "You have no more close votes today; come back in 14 hours." Is this a bug?
user3956566
@rene yes, if it is a feature, it's not listed.
09:51
@Ferrybig I dunno, I only saw one method of the codebase so far because Sam thought there was some bug in it and I tried to help...
@Kyll I've started doing that. I edited at least ~50 questions already.
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW, you can close your review session manually.
user3956566
this is a line ball call, if you read the posts and comments, not sure what to do.
What I don't understand is that there are questions with CV on them.
And nobody seems to encounter them in the queue.
user3956566
@SmokeDispenser how?
09:54
Is stackoverflow.com/questions/21553327/… or stackoverflow.com/questions/16138232/… a good dupe target for this ? If any python guy is around
user3956566
@Tunaki ?
user3956566
@kayess unsure
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW end session I think.
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW rejected because the guy said "Here is some code i tried that im gonna put in your answer, but it doesn't work"
I can only assume they were skipped or "Leave Open". So if someones that is editing questions is encountering some, please alert!!!
user3956566
09:56
@gunr2171 @Sam also Closey ignored my 'dump' command, don't know if this is related. Sorry for the double ping, I don't think I explained it well.
user3956566
@TimCastelijns ah k thanks
Dumb Linux user question: After adding a source or a PPA key to apt-get, is there any smarter way to download the new package list without updating all packages as done with apt-get update?
@kayess neither is a good dupe target IMO
Maybe that's been asked on SU already
@TimCastelijns Ok thanks
09:57
Wow, this was helpful. Thanks Debian wiki!
user3956566
Get this, the same user tried to make another edit to the same post.
@Tunaki I will
user3956566
@marddean stop attempting to make edits to a post that are being rejected! It's creating more work on the site for people reviewing your work. If it's not wanted, stop pushing the issue. — Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sW 24 secs ago

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