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18:00
I'm still an "inactive" RO, so you'd have to ask an active one.
rene gunr Nathan Sam, assemble
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Woflz
Forgot the Olive r s
Does t---h---is work? Nope :/
Pretty sure this should be rejected.
> This video doesn't exist
JAL
JAL
18:04
Waffle
damn, that guy deleted his answer
@JAL Waffle
JAL
JAL
lol
@JAL i.sstatic.net/tRd0m.png In case you need it
who came in 4th and 5th place in the last election. In particular where was @undo in the whole mix
JAL
JAL
ty
18:06
@Drew Undo was 5th, @TheLostMind was 4th
thx
I see those two getting pulled up and we know Undo will have some focus on wiki
← 1 message moved from Teacher's Lounge
@Drew You also sneaking in the Teacher's Lounge?
JAL
JAL
lol
what did you just move here?
JAL
JAL
best room name
18:09
no I don't know about that
@gunr2171 Drew's message
dare I look
ok, I don't see an arrow on any of the messages
@Drew It is the mod's room :D
Sam
Sam
He's just messing around
This is not possible afaik
18:11
@Sam You finally got it :)
eyeroll
I hope I get scolded for something because I am not trying hard enough
JAL
JAL
omg
@gunr2171 I need to do that next, Failed attempt :(
Sam
Sam
slow clap
JAL
JAL
18:12
reminds me of my rickroll attempt
reminds me of the other "Closey" account. Pro-tip: don't trick RO's
@gunr2171 Hey, Am sorry. Didn't mean to do that.
yep, just a heads up
18:15
Guys...
Good night... Zzzz.... :D
Sam
Sam
Night
@MadaraUchiha Woah.. How did you do that?
Thankieee all!!!
Just finished cleaning my old PC. Need to install OS now
18:29
this question is just not bad enough to close for me stackoverflow.com/questions/34890842
JAL
JAL
> show me code:
> a custom annotation
@Drew 5th, yeah
Yikes! @Undo When did you grow that much fur? :O
@JAL not bad enough in the face of the sea of them all for me. Bad, yes.
@BhargavRao Yesterday :)
18:35
Damn, if the system beeps, It's the problem with RAM, rite?
maybe when you cleaned your PC you cleaned all the dust into your PCI slots
It was a damn old PC, bought in 2005. I am trying to revive that
user4639281
danke
well then you're in timeout
@TylerH way to go on that comment. Madara would be proud
What exactly is your question? — TylerH 2 mins ago
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18:43
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> show me code:
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NEVAR!!!!!
I honestly think that is him saying "This is me showing my code" and not an actual imperative demand to show him some code
user4639281
I always see "I'm sorry for my English", on of these days I want to see "I'm sorry I'm English".
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@TylerH That's what I figured, but I gotta have my fun.
18:45
Like I'm pretty sure I could edit that question into understandable terms
but I'm not 100% sure
or I am sorry for you that your fell for it
I think I'll just go ahead and edit it anyway and if it's not what he wanted then it can be rolled back
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> I'm sorry you just read this wall of text and code dump only to find that I didn't actually ask a question, why don't you go do something productive with your life?
yet let @JAL know he might have a retract on it then idk
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Joking aside, I'm sorry I don't have any down or close votes left to spend on that question.
18:48
@TinyGiant my struggle today
they are much worse than that tg. Not telling you something you don't know.
I've tried to vote on so many things
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@TylerH It's so frustrating when you forget 5 times in 10 minutes that you have none left, and are reminded by a big error message telling you to go outside and get some fresh air.
@Drew, I'm in (at least for 1 h) let me know if you need me.
@TinyGiant go outside and get some fresh air for eight hours
user4639281
18:51
@TylerH I tried that recently, it isn't very exciting.
user4639281
@TylerH being the English gestapo that you are, do you have a pedantic reference for "How to ask a question", as in what are the basic parts of a question, and make sure you include a question mark?
@TinyGiant Way to avoid the N word heh
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What are the minimum requirements for a question statement to actually be a question statement?
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@Kyll english nazi wouldn't have made any sense at all in a historical sense.
@TinyGiant It would in the context of Grammar Nazis
18:54
Jan 31 at 16:23, by Madara Uchiha
The management appear to take the side of "more users === better" and not "better quality === better"
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@Kyll Yeah, but the puns would run rampant.
Also, isn't sorta every sentence turnable into a question? You could even turn one-word sentences into one, like "Green?"
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@Drew The management is also cool with lazy devs hardcoding values because "we don't support any zoom level other than 100%"
@TinyGiant There has to be an interrogative, for one
I don't have a reference handy
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@Kyll That's what I'm wondering, but I think it's more complicated than that.
18:56
I think the "How to ask a good question" page on the Help Center does a good job, though
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I don't care about it being a good question, I just want something that says how to formulate a question statement in it's most basic form, everything else is gravy.
Somehow I don't think the Golden Parachute owners care much about zoom level
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@Drew Yeah, but stuff breaks on my experimental system even at 100% zoom because everything is hardcoded.
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But I'm guessing that the answer would be "we don't support experimental systems"
@PetterFriberg give me 10 minutes I need to close a few java
18:59
@TinyGiant so that you can post it as a comment on unclear questions?
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@TylerH yuss
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I might end up buying howtoask.com and putting up a blurb about it there, stealing some info from here if I can't find a better source
> This question suffers from a lack of detail and/or specificity. A good question should narrowly describe the problem you are experiencing, the intended behavior you expect/want to see, provide details on how to reproduce the problem, and, most importantly, should be in the form of a question.
Or something
that domain name isn't available btw
@PetterFriberg I will give you about 7 that are jailbreak. For the rest, do you want easy cv3 or needs-more-attention cv3 ?
as you like...
19:04
your time is limited. Going with easy
I'm back with 47 bullets, lock and loaded.
Lieutenant Tun, Cover the area
user4639281
19:07
@TylerH I was thinking something along the lines of: "A question statement is a sentence in an interrogative form with the intent of receiving information in the form of an answer as a response, followed by a question mark."
@Tunaki The coffee user actually responded put attribution ecc... so your advice was wise!
@TinyGiant you should address the question in the comment
Nice
otherwise it seems like spam
also that sounds pretty condescending IMO
everybody knows what a question is
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@DavidG Nah, that's too complicated, I just want something as basic as can be.
user4639281
19:08
@TylerH Obviously not.
I think you can tell them their question sucks in a somewhat nicer way
@TinyGiant It's a good start though
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@DavidG I don't want it to be about formulating a programming question, just about what actually constitutes a question statement in it's most basic form.
Nothing in the FAQs to help? Sounds like something that should be there
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I want to make something in the same form as this with just one basic sentence defining what constitutes a question, no extra information to distract the user.
19:12
@TinyGiant I think that's likely to get flagged as rude/not constructive often
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@TylerH Stating the definition of a question is not rude, nor is it not constructive. If a user uses the question box, and doesn't know what constitutes a question, then educating them on what that is is most definitely constructive.
it is rude considering you aren't stating it in a way that directly addresses the OP's question
it's passive aggressive
@PetterFriberg filename: java_Petter_20160203_1700UT.xlsx up on this link
I think it could be construed as rude though, otherwise we'd already likely have a pithy statement like that
and it's insinuating that the user doesn't know how to ask a question
19:14
@Drew pass link..
@TylerH Which I suppose is often the case, but it's difficult to tell that to someone without offending
I will bookmark and tell when you can remove...
A tiny bit more effort on your part to make it a little nicer/more relational would go a long way to improving it
user4639281
Yeah, but I often see questions in the reopen queue that have been closed as unclear, then massively edited, which still don't contain a question.
@DavidG hence SO's Be Nice policy
19:15
@Drew ok you can remove
No I leave them there and put em in archive if anyone barks about it
might kill em in a few months
user4639281
That's why I want to educate users on what is expected of a question statement in it's most basic form. No extraneous information to distract the user, just what is an actual question statement.
user4639281
You can have an mcve, a problem statement, example input, expected output, and current output, but still not ask a question.
Even something like "As it stands, you haven't asked a question or your question is entirely unclear. Please edit your post to specify what it is you are asking." would still be very direct but infinitely less passive aggressive
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@TylerH But that doesn't educate the user about what exactly constitutes a valid question statement.
19:18
As it stands I would flag a comment that just lectures a user on the definition of a question as rude/offensive or not constructive nearly 100% of the time
user4639281
That's as good as "Your question is incomplete, please complete it."
@TinyGiant It's not the role of SO users in comments to educate users on what a question statement is
Cast a Close Vote to indicate that problem
If they don't understand you can invite them to chat and explain there
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@TylerH As I said, questions are often closed as unclear, massively edited, and still don't contain a question statement, so what we are doing isn't working as well as it should be.
@TinyGiant I dont see the problem with this scenario. They're still closed, aren't they?
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Yeah, but the user is obviously trying to improve their question, but doesn't understand what is required of a question statement.
19:20
So say "You still haven't asked a question"
If they dont know what a question is they shouldn't be on SO
circling back, it's not the place of SO for education on what the construct of a question is
user4639281
> In case you don't know, a question statement is a sentence in an interrogative form followed by a question mark. We require that you actually ask a question, which you have not yet done.
Still not great IMO but much better and no longer passive aggressive
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Or, more hand-holdy:
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> Thank you very much for (asking a|attempting to improve your) question, and welcome to Stack Overflow! In case you don't know, a question statement is a sentence in an interrogative form followed by a question mark. We require that you actually ask a question, which you have not yet done.
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Even better:
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19:27
> Thank you very much for posting your question here, and welcome to Stack Overflow! In case you don't know, a question statement is a sentence in an interrogative form followed by a question mark. We require that question posts contain question statements, which yours does not. Please take the [tour], check out the [help/on-topic], and read [ask].
Shouldn't we remove "Any help would be appreciated." along with Thanks?
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Yes
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Any noise or fluff not directly related to the question.
Removed that from a mod's question :D
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@BhargavRao In fact, the Magicâ„¢ Editor does that already.
user4639281
19:29
@BhargavRao lol
@TinyGiant Hey it didn't for me. Ugg, which version am I using?
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@BhargavRao It should / did. It may not anymore, I'm not sure.
@BhargavRao You're missing Magicâ„¢. Try to add more.
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Needs moar Magicâ„¢
I removed that userscript from my system.
user4639281
19:41
Which one?
Hey where's that Magicâ„¢ Editor? I uninstalled and can't find the source
@TinyGiant Magicâ„¢ Editor :D
@Drew I finished the excel, I have already voted on 1 and run out of CV on 1... sorry was sure that I had more.... where the heck did they all go...
NVM, found it on your Github prof
waffle!
19:43
they went some place good my friend
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@BhargavRao We're hopefully going to have it moved into the SOCVR repo as soon as @Mogsdad gets off his lazy arse and gets around to it. runs and hides
Lol :D
@TinyGiant Mogsdad was saying the ball is in your court as the repo is under your name.
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He told me he was going to do some hacking and mashing and make it all work.
Ah. Missed that part of the conversation.
user4639281
19:46
He knows what will happen if I attempt that, and he doesn't want that to happen... again.
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I just push the simple buttons, and even then I sometimes break things.
@TinyGiant @tylerh are you ready for this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/34896447
Is this a request to CV?
@Drew the answer is no we are not because we are both out of CVs
19:51
@Drew Cast the final close vote.
bunch of trainwreckers I say :P
afk again
20:05
back, again
slack, again
lack of again
Sam
Sam
@S.L.Barth Hmm?
@S.L.Barth can you go Unclear on the following Here if you want, and holler if you can do a block of 10 or so ones at cv4 ?
20:10
5 hours ago, by Mogsdad
@Sam Fun part... for whatever reason, we went with @tiny's repo, and abandoned mine. So he needs to do the transfer. (I'll be sure to have a local copy, just in case...)
Lazy arse, my... well, lazy arse.
Erm. What do we do with that?
Tatoo. duh.
Sam
Sam
@Kyll ... that second answer
Yeah, the answers are amazing
I mean, the title is okay I suppose
But the mnemonic part... Isn't it Too Broad, as in too many possible answers?
My mnemonic is to take 4294967296 (which is easy to remember) and divide by 2 — M.M Sep 5 '14 at 5:39
20:13
@Drew I have notified Hovercraft Full Of Eels (one of main contributors on swing), that we are closing one question that he answered with wiki answer... Told him to drop by if he feels for the question..... to discuss it (its seemed fair since he made community no rep hunt ecc.)
@PetterFriberg Type @ H (w/o spaces) and press tab :P
Priceless. Tim even made it slightly more SFW
Why do you want me to ping him?
I already have on his answer
Aint it easier? (I always thought so)
20:16
ctrl c ctrl v : ) when not wish to ping...
I just re-inserted the RAM and the sound stopped. :/
Now to install the OS
@PetterFriberg Hi. Thought I'd say hi.
:)
@Kyll It's POB or custom off-topic. Since it has new poo on it (Jan 27), it's stuck it's head up to play whack-a-mole.
@Drew Ping I will ping you to @Drew
Tuna loves doing that. For like, 119 seconds
20:20
@Mogsdad What custom reason then? "this is a subjective poll and not a specific programming issue"?
Besides, real programmers keep track of uint32.max in Hex (7FFFFFFF), and convert it. Who needs mnemonics?
Real programs think in binary
@Kyll The topic is about a memory aid.
@Drew But you did not have the courage to put the @ before...
@BhargavRao As in, there are 10 kinds of people in the world...
20:22
@Mogsdad What would be the custom reason then? Or is POB enough?
@Drew this is fun
@Mogsdad I thought there were 11... :/
@Tunaki curious about your CV count.
@Mogsdad People who know binary, and people who don't, and people committing off-by-one errors
@Drew 47 master.
20:22
@Kyll POB is enough.
@Mogsdad Yep, thought so too
47 we can have fun with that
How the heck can tuna have 47 you stole mine...
JAL
JAL
^ i think that was a failed attempt at a bump
@Kyll whats POB about that?
20:32
@NathanOliver Did you read the question? The title is very misleading.
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@mogs so... what am I supposed to be doing?
@NathanOliver Everyone has their own rules, and there hardly is a quantifiable way to distinguish which one is better than the other. It's a matter of opinions. Too broad also fits very well.
@JAL He did bump but maybe the wrong people... : )
Ah. I did not see the I need a memory rule. I stopped after the title and the first sentence.
JAL
JAL
@Drew what was the issue here?
20:34
@Kyll Kyll you are running after high traffic questions... Lets use our votes better...
@NathanOliver I'd gladly let it be but it generates content
sd still there with 2 del votes
@PetterFriberg Not much time these days, sorry =p
I actually saw this question on ProgrammerHumor and thought it must have been closed by now.. But it hadn't been =p
@TinyGiant Actually, nm. I'm working on copying the file + its history. (But the alternative I was thinking of was just changing ownership of your forked repo.)
@JAL I think @TylerH may have been talking to TG about an edit that you may have had a cv on. idk
20:36
@Kyll if closed, it will be reopened.. then moderators ecc... while it generates traffic to SO better to leave it alone...
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@Mogsdad that's what I figured
@PetterFriberg Er, no?
If it's reopened after closing (if it closes ofc), then I'll bring the issue to Meta
@Drew I was afk. Still have slots in the CV queue. After that I can have a look at the Java questions.
20:36
In which case a histolock would do perfectly
In the meanwhile, while the top answers are funny, most of them have little technical value and new content is just bad
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@Kyll You see, the problem with not having close votes, is that you have no close votes.
@TinyGiant So I take it you didn't vote because you don't support me?
> Nope, it was a lizard
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@Kyll Nah, I didn't vote because I don't have any votes.
@TinyGiant So you are saying you don't support me
user4639281
20:39
@Kyll No, Stack Overflow doesn't support you, because they haven't given me unlimited close votes.
@Kyll You maybe technically correct, no need to discuss this... its just that I think with 9K question to close it think there is alot of stuff that need's to be clean before....
sd postgone finally waffles \o/
@PetterFriberg Well, this one is constantly generating poor content. I think it's a nice catch
@TinyGiant Couldn't it be rephrased? Such as, "Is there any technical value into setting timeout handlers to null once they are cleared?"
user4639281
20:42
@Kyll But then it would be a waste of four close votes, wouldn't want to waste close votes now would we?
@TinyGiant I think we don't want to waste content
Or something like that
I don't remember
Or maybe we're spammers. Are we spammers?
user4639281
toe-may-toe, toe-mah-toe. Close votes are content to, aren't they?
They're more kinda sorta meta content
Yeah, I'm going to edit it
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Curse you! Wasted close vote.
> Sometimes in setTimeout functions you want to make sure it doesn't already exist before executing an action.
20:48
@TylerH makes me sad. )`:
Tempted to remove that because it makes no sense
Woops
Added a correction into the question, invalidated part of Bergi's answer
:-°
@TinyGiant Dealing in PHP now?
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@Kyll cvq
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I voted on it a few days ago, still open.
Nearly 3 months for the release of Ubu 16.04 :(
Anyway going to bed
Night
user4639281
21:02
Night
Good night me to moving towards bed... have fun
Sam
Sam
Cya
aka, this: `Warning: Do not use tutorials from other websites such as Stack Overflow.
They are almost always wrong and you will end up wasting a ton of time trying to work out why your server is broken. If you have any problems then ask for help at irc.inspircd.org #inspircd`
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more like do not use Stack Overflow otherwise we'd lose ad revenue
there arent ads on that wiki page and you cant place ads in irc?
@cybermonkey Sounds like they have an history with SO =p
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to be honest, i would rather get installation help from irc than SO
idk, that statement is completely incorrect. I'd say tutorials from highly voted good answers are wrong only a tiny fraction of the time.
21:08
are we talking about all highly voted good answers in general, or all highly voted "good answers" related to that particular project?
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I'd say tutorials, as well as installation questions, are off-topic for Stack Overflow.
@TinyGiant Oh man. I was going to come up with some software where it is impossible to install without help from SO. That way we all get rep ;)
no one is going to close installation questions as off-topic simply because it is an installation question (unless its not a tool used by programmers)
user4639281
So I'm no one now?
you going to close the ruby gem installation questions?
21:12
@NathanOliver Yay, a new type of voting ring! You make software that nobody understands, then give us a few of the answers to the inevitable questions.
* heads off to create a new & terrible programming language *
lol
I knew it would catch on
There are WhiteSpace question on Stack Overflow.
Later guys
@TinyGiant here you go, you can close this one if you like :p stackoverflow.com/questions/31972968/…
user4639281
@cimmanon No I can't, though I would like to, I have no close votes.
21:18
That's not an excuse. @cimmanon Repost the link tomorrow. Before Tiny runs out of close votes. :p
i close questions as a duplicate of that about once a week
user4639281
So you close off-topic questions as duplicates of off-topic questions on a regular basis?
sass is a programming related tool, why is installing it off-topic, but using it or configuring it is not?
user4639281
Configuration questions are off-topic too, usage of a programming tool for programming is on-topic though.
Waffle
21:22
@Mogsdad why
@TinyGiant so all these questions about configuring grunt and gulp and whatever other buildToolFlavorOfTheMonth someone comes up with are off-topic? prepare for a bunch of cv requests tomorrow then.
because i can post links to that shit all day
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I can post links to garbage off-topic questions that haven't been closed yet all day too. Just because they are open doesn't mean they are on-topic.
@TinyGiant I'll leave soon, so if you want me to close something post a link now.
the only thing you can do with a build tool is configure it or run it. if it doesnt run, your configuration is probably broken. if you cant ask about configuring it, then what can you ask?
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@S.L.Barth I've posted a few ^^^ up there, you can use the Review Unclosed Requests tool to find them easier.
user4639281
21:28
@cimmanon If there are no valid non-configuration questions that you can ask about it, then there are no questions you can ask about it on Stack Overflow. That isn't to say there isn't another site where you could ask those questions, just not here.
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
@TinyGiant I've already VTC'd on the ones here, when I agreed they needed closing.
With luck, I may be able to have a look at the Review Unclosed Requests tool later.
@TinyGiant meta disagrees: 1 2 3
@Sam - Could you bump up my privs so I can add the Magic Editor to userscripts? github.com/orgs/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/people
user4639281
21:35
@cimmanon FAQ disagree
@TylerH Using that version of the editor toolkit. Hmph.
rename your class to something else other than LinkedListReimeus 2 days ago
Sam
Sam
@Mogsdad Sure, gimmeh a sec
BTW, in case anyone is interested, adding the ONE editor file with history was fairly easy, using the recipe here. Unfortunately, there is no way to maintain the relationship with the original repo we forked from, but c'est la vie.
I love it when people say "c'est la vie". Makes me chilly.
21:42
I'll update the readme later.
I'm out for the night!
Sam
Sam
Cya
@Tunaki How about c'est la mort? Does it warm you up?
Not really, no.
lol
Don't load all lines to memory. as an answer for a question about a dataset of 260GB ...
Well the answerer has a point.
21:45
There was not much more in the answer...
@rene What if I have a couple terabytes of memory?
What about a petabyte?
@Kyll then you're fine, forget what I said
@rene That's what I though
Just do as you always do, don't listen to me.
user4639281
21:48
@Mogsdad you can add the optional update-url rule to the one in my repo, then whenever they auto-update it will update with that version, and the next time it will update from the new repo.
@rene Wait... if I don't listen to you, then I'm listening to you. If I listen to you, then I shouldn't listen to you. Thus... head explodes
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@rene Does it count as listening if I immediately forget?
@rene You've reviewed 40 posts today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 20 minutes, averaging to a review every 30 seconds.
user4639281
Oh, @Sam, I just found a new post route. If you just want the body you can do /posts/POST_ID/body
Sam
Sam
Nice
Thanks, I'll see if I can use that somewhere.
user4639281
21:52
Found from the votes page on user profiles, much lighterweight than the other one.
so, if I get a 404 is that because I can't find nobody?
<insert slow clap here>
Sam
Sam
@TinyGiant The realtime ajax loader one?
user4639281
@Sam yeah
Sam
Sam
Right, ok.
I'll keep that in mind.
@Tunaki @S.L.Barth filename: java_cv4_20160203_2140UT.xlsx (count=62) at this link
21:53
\o/
no acknowledgement of my pun. so sad. I'm leaving for today.
Sam
Sam
....
I've just got it.
Man I'm slow today.
@TinyGiant random idea for a userscript: change the background of chat messages based on the user, use the primary colors in their avatar as the color scheme
and i'm out
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@gunr2171 Sounds fun, now I just have to figure out how to get the primary colors from a picture using javascript
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Apparently I would have to use canvas elements... I'll figure something out.
21:59
I'm out of CV's and I'm out as well. I hope to be back on full strength tomorrow

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