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user4639281
05:01
@Drew Are we talking about the same thing? I'm not responding to your last comment.
A filter for good questions, if that is what we are talking about
user4639281
If you hover over my last message you can see the message I was responding to.
user4639281
15 mins ago, by Drew
like, hasn't this been talked about, or a response saying that is what downvotes are about, or it would be a platform change that would take a lot of work etc
user4639281
Oops, wrong one lol.
user4639281
In response to what you're saying most recently, what level of downvotes would you "freeze" a question at?
user4639281
05:07
@MrsEd, I showed you the wrong post earlier (should have read further): This is the relevant post (referenced in the post I referred you to earlier).
Well people would just game it. So if you could track the gaming of it to people, they could lose that ability. So an exact number doesn't matter too much unless it was tied to tracking the gamers
user4639281
@Drew check that link out too, it is on the same subject.
and each tag is different. A number in JS should be different than than in a lessor tag
user3956566
@TinyGiant ah truly that makes a load more sense
user4639281
Sorry :P
user3956566
05:09
hehe
the Answer from Brad Larson is nice. I would simply freeze the question, versus triggering low quality flags. And I would up the Close Vote count-per-day allowed to a ton more for those that earn that right, however that is decided. The close voters are simply not equipped to deal
Oh, fine.
user3956566
there has to be a solution to fgitw and lq posts.. between all these brain cells, surely we can come up with a realistic solution.. hmmmm
05:23
freeze the question. One mod that comes along an unfreezes it, she's open up for the FGITW
user3956566
well at least if it's frozen, it takes it off the front page and hopefully out of attention from fgitw
and I would have no problem with my name as one of the 5 that said to freeze it. Transparency
user3956566
yep
none of this cowardly anonymity nonsense. Let's say you hit downvote in first 2 minutes. Up pops a dialog "Do you vote for freeze or simply downvote?" Yay Nay
user3956566
I like that
05:26
otherwise you just downvote and move on, caring less
user3956566
yes I do believe there are 'some' cowardly people on here who use votes as weapons
user3956566
yep
user3956566
that's a good idea
user3956566
and so freeze votes/ brought on by this downvoting within time period are not close votes as such and are they capped, or just capped by our number of votes in general
user3956566
or do we introduce freeze votes/flags
user3956566
05:28
that might help reduce the close load
user3956566
or might make it worse
user3956566
that's just my way of trying to get more close votes per head
user4639281
There is a reason you have to get to 3,000 rep to get close votes.
user3956566
true
oh fine so 3K only people. I am not saying everyone
I didnt not say everyone either. It wasnt a full spec :P
user4639281
05:29
So that basically just doubles your close votes (not fully you would only get 90)
user3956566
do you think there is an argument for increase close votes as we have increase flags merited by flag performance and rep?
user3956566
it would be really good if we could increase our close votes
user4639281
Most definitely, and that is more likely to happen.
user3956566
I've held off doing my review queue today, as I run out so early
we need way more. By 0300 hours UTC we are spent
user4639281
05:30
Shog actually said something about that a while back.
user3956566
^^ exactly, and if we're holding off reviewing to conserve votes, doesn't that say something
user4639281
Oh trust me, I've been complaining about that since I got close votes.
user3956566
yes tiny, there's been a lot of discussion. so I reckon we could get together a really complete porposal
user3956566
yes
I say 240 CV a day. That is 10 an hour
user4639281
05:31
And I run out of most of my votes of all types on a daily basis.
user4639281
@Drew lol
I am serious :P
user4639281
I think it should be a graduated scale.
user3956566
I was fraught and didn't realise there was this group. It's really helped my spirits with the site, I'd look at the queue and often boycott it, it felt too much
user3956566
I agree graduated
user3956566
05:32
and perhaps more votes on tag merits
user4639281
It should depend on your close voting success rate.
Ok graduated. We start at 210 :)
user3956566
you know an extra 10 for a bronze tag, 20 silver , 50 gold lolol
user3956566
absolutely voting success and I think tag success, as that proves expertise
user4639281
@MrsEd It can't be related to tag scores.
user4639281
05:33
Because you can close vote in any tag.
user3956566
@TinyGiant what about extra close votes on those tags alone I mean.. you know isn't there extra votes for questions?
user4639281
And you need to have a set amount of close votes per day, not different amounts depending on the tag.
user4639281
That would result in far too many meta questions.
user3956566
ah k
user3956566
sure
user3956566
05:34
too complicated
there was discussion of Silver counting more
user4639281
"How come I have more 41 close votes in tag x, 45 in tag b?"
for your tag
user3956566
well def
user3956566
yep
user4639281
05:34
I think that you should have a close rating.
user3956566
yes
user3956566
the only issue with this, is if the close votes age away
user3956566
and that may not be from bad voting but lack of reveiwers
user3956566
but it works with flags
user4639281
Basically every question you close that stays closed is +1.
05:35
close rating is nebuluous as MrsEd says
user3956566
so how would we calculate close performance
user3956566
ah k
this room peeps would score high on that. It is faulty and we know it
user3956566
and stipulated closed for how long.. as that is not always static
user4639281
The reason that we close questions and they stay closed is because we all review them to the best of our ability, individually.
user3956566
05:37
yes, and in this room we have an advantage, but then that's not bad, as we are dedicated to solving it
sure. And we all point to them like that Python question. That is a dumb argument
user3956566
yes
user4639281
We aren't a voting gang, we're a reviewing gang. We strive to be the best reviewers we can be. That isn't gaming the syste.
user3956566
but we're all autonomous strong people and don't vote just because it lands here
user3956566
nope
05:38
we all agree we are fair or try to be. But our numbers of Close rank would be artificially high
user4639281
Exactly.
user3956566
we are dedicated (and prob a bit OCD) ;)
user4639281
It wouldn't be artificially high, we would be playing a different part of the game.
user3956566
yes they would, but then, this is open to anyone else
user3956566
so maybe not artificial
05:39
our numbers would be artificially high. It's a fact
user3956566
there would be people who like me before finding this room, would be dedicated and get despondent
user3956566
and their vote rate may be lower
user3956566
probably would be
user4639281
But the same thing with answers.
@Closey starting
user4639281
05:40
I don't write very many answers anymore, does that mean that people who do answer a lot of questions are gaming the system?
@approxiblue You don't need to run this command anymore! When you start reviewing I should notice it and record the start of the record.
we need to focus on the endless conveyor belt of crap questions imo
user3956566
true tiny. I thrive on answering questions
@approxiblue I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
user4639281
@Drew That is one of the many roles in the system.
user3956566
05:41
I'm taking a break, cos I have a break for a few days from work and study and it's nice to relax and meta so to speak
user4639281
All of the roles are required for operation.
user3956566
yes all are important
right. We need more close votes and a freeze
until then, we just enjoy this ride together
user3956566
if people didn't keep the site clean, the number of good questions and upvoted bad answers would flood the site and people with good skills may leave
user3956566
do u reckon we could get these Drew?
user4639281
05:43
If everyone stopped answering questions and did what we do, do you think we would have a useful service?
user3956566
of course not
@Closey next 15 tags
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@approxiblue The next 15 tags are: 139, 70, 65, 58, 51, 42, 33, 32, 31, 31, 29, 28, 27, 27, 27
I answer 5 or so questions a day.
and comment a ton
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05:44
sd deleted
Fine
user4639281
@Sam I thought that was fixed? ^^^
@Closey alive
@approxiblue I feel fine.
@Closey current session
@approxiblue You don't have an ongoing review session on record.
user3956566
05:44
@Drew that's good. I sometime answer a heap.
user4639281
@approxiblue Sorry, about that
But I think we need a strata of moderation that is equipped to do what we all know is needed. That is, dealing with extremely low quality questions. If that lower echelon of moderation abuses that power, they get it stripped away from by Elected mods that say you can't have it anymore
no worries
with that ever get implemented, probably not
user3956566
@Drew totally agree
05:46
And I don't think anyone in this room would abuse it
user3956566
at least if Qs get automatically frozen, it takes the strain off the site and may deincentivise fgitw from enjoying the site too much
cuz we came here for the same reason
user3956566
agree
@approxiblue It looks like you've finished reviewing . Is that right?
I wish
@Closey no
user4639281
05:46
Lol
user3956566
there are questions I see. and when there's a few bad answers, I often then answer.
user3956566
let the fgitw jump in
user3956566
this is on good questions
user3956566
I lurk a lot in android tag and there seems to be a lot of really poor questions and a lot of ignorance (at times my own)
@Closey No Closey, There's lots of bad questions, which hurt Drew's eyes.
user4639281
05:48
I do some pretty good fgitw myself at times. I end up throttling how many questions I view in a day because I find too many to close vote, then I can't do my reviews in the queue.
user3956566
same
user3956566
sometimes I spend a day not so queue focused and on the front page
@MrsEd we all do. Madara was joking about it in here a few days ago, something to the effect of "do you think I never wrote those abominations years ago?"
user3956566
but I do tend to rely on the queues
user4639281
It's sad that I actually stop answering questions because I don't want to spend all of my close votes.
user3956566
05:49
@Drew or like yesterday hahaha
user3956566
@TinyGiant I totally understand that!
user3956566
I check bounties, often there's a gem there that was just missed (probably cos it was not easy to answer!)
we don't get Gold by writing code for MIT or Carnegie Mellon. We do it primarily by saying you forgot a semi-colon
user3956566
then if there's none there for me, I go down the second or third page and finding questions that have not been fgitwested and answering those
user3956566
I also check the fgitw to see if they're correct
05:51
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[wifi]"
user3956566
@Drew or some just jumping in and answering null pointer ex questions in android
user3956566
@approxiblue hm
user4639281
@MrsEd That's for closey
user4639281
He should watch that for us now, but it isn't 100% yet.
user3956566
yeh I kn.. the hm was wow that seems unlikely
05:53
@approxiblue It looks like you've finished reviewing & . Is that right?
user3956566
when u lurk in a tag, as u guys kn, you get to know who wants to rep gain for the sake of it (or so it seems) and who are genuinely interested in the tag and helping people
@Closey yes
@approxiblue Ok, I've marked it as a completed tag.
there are a few guys dumping in my tag of interest. I just roll my eyes.
user3956566
oh I see Tiny
05:55
This system allows it. So be it if it refuses to do anything about it
user3956566
well there's one with high rep and I bite my tongue, as I don't want an all out brawl, so I keep flagging the questions as dupes, in the meantime. bam there's the answer and always a couple of votes and usually an accept.
user3956566
yeh I guess
user4639281
That's a reason to downvote in my book.
user3956566
it's annoying to go on the front page of my fav tag and see dups every time
I down vote to the point of it almost being serial
It's deserved, the DV
05:56
that's why I pick up obscure technology, in a tag with few regulars, and answer questions when the regulars are asleep
user3956566
@TinyGiant I don't think it would stop the user, as they seem to get these upvotes and it's like, yes this question is asked every day
user3956566
@approxiblue true, and when's the best time for that?
@MrsEd depends on your tag. I remember a meta SE post saying that the least active time on SO is night in EST.
user3956566
@Drew yep. I try and keep my downvotes for bad answers as such, as the answers are not bad, it's just encouraging people to ask questions without the research
user4639281
@approxiblue That's a good idea.
user3956566
05:58
@approxiblue EST? is that utc?
user3956566
hang on will go google
user4639281
Then you can minimize your chance of gaining reputation.
no, UTC-5:00
user3956566
ah thanks
@TinyGiant I don't mind, I've already got CV powers
05:59
Hmm...I'd say close this question as dupe of the above too broad question, but it says that:
> This question does not have an upvoted or accepted answer
user4639281
@approxiblue True dat
@TinyGiant also a great strategy for getting unsung hero
user4639281
@KevinGuan Don't close duplicate of closed questions.
user3956566
yeh I'm same, I really love it when I go on an answer spree and there's not a bunch of people answering, and I never make a note of the time..
user4639281
It stops the automatic deletion script from running.
user3956566
06:00
@approxiblue oh yeh got that one
I had to ask OP not to upvote my accepted post... he freaked out
user3956566
@TinyGiant what do u mean?
user3956566
@approxiblue for yr badge?
user3956566
lol
user3956566
I am a fanatic tomorrow, it's official
06:01
@TinyGiant Hmm...what to do with that question? Also too broad?
user3956566
I earned it once before years ago
user4639281
@KevinGuan Too Broad
user4639281
@MrsEd I almost had fanatic, then I moved.
user3956566
the answer is surprising, looks like a tag team
approxiblue passed a audit!
user3956566
06:02
@TinyGiant I'm too OCD
user3956566
@KevinGuan did u see the answer?
user4639281
@MrsEd Same answerer
@MrsEd Yep, same answerer, same answer.
user4639281
Looks like a spam seed maybe.
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Q: Same question asked by two users answered by the same person

ketanToday I saw two questions Question1 and Question2 which have the same content without a single difference. Aishwarya wants to convert infix expression to postfix and then perform evaluation of postfix expression. We can only use vectors in stl. Can anybody please give a code for this? The ...

user3956566
06:03
but it looks like different users?
user4639281
Only the askers.
user3956566
and the answerers
user4639281
But they are throw away accounts. They are exactly the same question.
user3956566
prob same person or working as tag team
user3956566
yep
user4639281
06:04
The answerers are exactly the same account, the question askers are two different accounts.
Yep, I think the questions are same homework questions as I said in the above meta question's comments.
> I've got some code from the Internet, and I built it successfully, but when I run the execute file, nothing happens
@approxiblue You've completed 40 CV review items today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 26 minutes, averaging to a review every 38.9 seconds.
@approxiblue But then, his system be hacked.
user3956566
06:09
9 mins ago, by Tiny Giant
@KevinGuan Don't close duplicate of closed questions.
user3956566
I'm confused Kevin
negative scored, closed questions get deleted eventually
or something like that, unless the closed question is a duplicate
then it stays
so if the question is trash, we don't want to make it a signpost
user4639281
222
A: Enable automatic deletion of old, unanswered zero-score questions after a year?

Jeff AtwoodJust to formally document the exact policies we have in place to remove old abandoned / dead questions, the Community user will delete questions in the following circumstances: If the question is more than 30 days old, and ... has −1 or lower score has no answers is not locked ...or... it ...

@approxiblue so we freeze the question, and DV it
then close it
user3956566
06:13
ah got it
user3956566
yep I edited it
So what should we do if the same user asked the same question twice? Should we close it as dupe or not?
user3956566
I agree, I was thinking of a case where the use asked 3 questions, the original one was not bad, but it was duped twice
user3956566
@KevinGuan have a look at my revised answer meta.stackoverflow.com/a/311782/3956566
user4639281
@KevinGuan If it is on-topic, close as dupe. If it is off-topic, close as off-topic.
user3956566
06:15
yep not a good idea to flag something as dup of garbage lol
Yeah, that one. Okay got it.
user3956566
well this is a garbage of this type of rubbish over here.
user3956566
making me think of pointers
@KevinGuan in special cases you can even flag for mods meta.stackexchange.com/a/10844/190066
user3956566
don't reference garbage
user3956566
06:18
@approxiblue so now is the best time to answer questions?
user3956566
while north america and surrounding areas are sleeping?
depends... if the site isn't active, there won't be a lot voting either
@approxiblue Got it again.
user3956566
now this is one question I won't be answering stackoverflow.com/questions/34050900/… you get paid good money to do what the Op is asking for
user3956566
@approxiblue I prefer to answer when OP is online and there is less activity
user3956566
06:23
my comment to last smokey post i.sstatic.net/ZHsmU.png
user4639281
Well, I'm off to bed. Try not to get into trouble :)
user3956566
night
@TinyGiant congrats new RO
user3956566
and congrats :)
user4639281
@approxiblue Thanks :)
06:26
Night
user3956566
@KevinGuan I saw those edits :)
user3956566
that's retired
user3956566
you can't get it now
But someone got it 2 days ago.
06:29
@KevinGuan merged accounts
Oh, forgot that.
user3956566
it's been changed to the read the entire tour page
user3956566
I had an account sometime ago and had a lot of badges on it, I don't want them merged. the questions I asked are too embarrassing :D mind you it shows progress... mind you I have enough embarrassing posts on this account.. so might leave it
@MrsEd ab account?
06:33
I was gonna say @MrsEd :P
@approxiblue Thanks :)
user3956566
hahahah yeh, like that psychic account it was for an ab worker... you kn those late night home shopping commercials for ab machines
user3956566
I shouldn't have edited out the ab, it looked funny hey
user3956566
I know someone who bought one.. like why?
user3956566
06:36
can we have a mini close vote push?
user3956566
on a tag
yeah, clear-the-queue events
happen in the room every few days
a couple of regulars go through the same tags on the queue at the same time
you can check the room schedule
hold on I wanna give ya a link @MrsEd
so what I do is after the event, I know who was in it, and go in and mop up after them
user3956566
@approxiblue yeh I saw that.. was wondering if anyone was up for an inpromptu event, except you've prob all used yr votes
so just tweak the url PAGE # in that link
06:39
@Drew @MrsEd doesn't have 10k yet
that page will only show her reviews
a fact that was lost on me :P
user3956566
so I shoudl really follow you guys.. man I need to answer some more questions so I can see these things LOLOL
user3956566
or get my old account merged (no cringes at the embarrassment much prefer less rep)
user3956566
OK I'm going to answer a question
user3956566
@Drew yep once I get that rep, that's an excellent way to use my review votes
06:43
or else you and I become friends on skype :)
user3956566
yeh I can do that
user3956566
let me check what address I use
user3956566
hi Kev I missed you sob
:P
I'm trying to get 10k rep...mod tools looks very good.
user3956566
06:45
ok @Drew are you ready for a quick email post and delete?
user3956566
@KevinGuan let's do it together Kevin
user3956566
we are in totally different tags.. I have a good regex joke hang on
well I might get spanked for condoning that so for the record, I would simply never consider such a thing. That said, my email address is at the top of my chat room I drag unsuspecting victims to
user3956566
06:48
@MrsEd Yeah, just checked your profile. By the way Tim knows .
user3956566
@Drew ok, be prepared to receive an email from someone you have not received an email from before, it starts with a y and end in gmail.com hahaha
@MrsEd :P
and for the record I won't even consider opening it let alone acting upon it
user3956566
@KevinGuan ah I need to look.. but having diff tags is good. cos we can get to 10K together without a cat fight.. you kn
Yeah :P
user3956566
06:49
are there rules against sharing emails?
if you don't want to actually post emails
use the Diffie-Hellman Key Exchange algorithm
user3956566
@Drew what chat room? and is this the sort of chat room that makes it into law and order episodes? :)
people put email addresses in their profile page. I did once, next thing I get SO code posts there. That lasted like 5 days
user3956566
@approxiblue oh no, now I have to go to google
user3956566
06:52
@approxiblue is this what Turing started?
user3956566
didn't he start by analysing encryption keys
the more general concept
concepts
not that particular algo though
that was a good algo to compete against RSA. For the poor
user3956566
yes, but the problem IS.. we cannot start such a communication without passing the key on in a public place!
user3956566
06:54
haha
user3956566
I felt like Sherlock Holmes the way I said that haha
user3956566
we could always create one and drive everyone batty trying to break it
user3956566
and yet
user3956566
how do we do it under every one's noses
user3956566
and Drew has a very long nose at that
06:56
@MrsEd that's the point, with DH you never pass around any key
user3956566
@approxiblue I know! I'm being really silly.. it's just not coming across well in this setting.. I am prone to jokes of ridiculous logic
user3956566
@ShamasS done
@approxiblue Oh, like GnuPG?
today is a slow day for spams..
user3956566
@approxiblue I am laying down the gauntlet of challenge. how shall we create our cryptic secret code within a public forum?
06:58
@ShamasS That's good news right? :)
user3956566
@ShamasS they must have had a big Spammers party to go to
haha
except that I fear they are getting through. Highly unlikely though
Wow, don't know that there's a tag called before.
and 810 questions tagged
@MrsEd you wanna try the DH algo?
user3956566
@approxiblue yes, but how
07:01
actually, let's make a separate chat for this
come on over for some crypto fun: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/97047
07:20
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07:34
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user3956566
@Closey current tag
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@MrsEd The current tag is with 139 known review items.
user3956566
07:36
I swear that figure does not change
rene tweaks it
user3956566
I'm gonna do some reviews
@MrsEd it does once a week
cause it's from SEDE
user3956566
@approxiblue ah that explains it
user3956566
ah of course
user3956566
07:38
I am having trouble finding questions I feel like answering
I might have a query for you then
user3956566
oky doky
user3956566
do u sometimes just go, ah I can't be bothered.. I've been studying and working so hard.. and I look at questions and go.. nah
do you mean do i never do that :P
it looks at your top tag
user3956566
^^^ please look at that upvoted question I just pinged
07:42
finds stuff from op rep 80+
user3956566
@Drew thank you. I would say I love you, but it would cause a mass of flags and recriminations and misunderstandings, but you have made my job of finding nice questions really good cheers
i know you love me, it can go unsaid
user3956566
sniff that's how smokey and I move
user3956566
you kn that's why closey got sick right?
i dont know too much so no
user3956566
07:45
did you kn closey was on life support?
I know that was a status for a while before you joined us. I know the guys have worked real hard on it.
user3956566
well I've only been here for two days and in that time, we thought closey died, in fact a eulogy was written for closey and one accolades in poetry circles.. then we discovered closey was on life support... but prior to this I had words with closey and revealed I preferred smokey, so being melo dramatic (and generally with nothing better to do at that time than talk to bots) I connected my declaration of love for smokey as causing closey's illness
user3956566
on a more sensible note.. why is it that questions with accepted answers show up as unanswered in some queries? caching?
not sure. There are two data sets. One live, one SEDE, but a good SEDE person (there are many here) could answer that
and half the top comments of that query are residue from the one I crafted it from. So right now it is only your top 1 tag. But just change the query. You can see what was remmed out or tweaked
or look at the original query (url at the top of it)
I don't even do the weighted thing at all. My strategy is simple. Recent but not too recent (that is SEDE data afterall). From somewhat seasoned rep OPs. And your tag. But you can go top 3 or 5 tags, whatever
user3956566
08:24
@Drew that's cool, I can go with one tag at a time anyhow
09:55
I'm back after a good night sleep.

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