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3:00 PM
No, it was an honest mistake
 
:P
it's good
 
damn 10k elitist :)
 
@durron597 more link-only goodness from the same user: stackoverflow.com/a/19977360/656243
 
@SmokeDetector good job
 
3:02 PM
@NathanOliver Abusive||NAA?
 
I did NAA
 
I did NAA. It's already gone thanks to brad larson.
 
cheers
 
Dude, you made another answer to advertise your first answer? — Jay Sullivan Jan 30 '14 at 13:46
I custom flagged that answer
And edited the text into his first answer.
 
@durron597 I guess you're using a script to do this. Share, plz?
 
3:18 PM
@Mogsdad To do what?
Man, today is such a crapstorm. Only 10 CVs left and I haven't reviewed CVs or Triage.
 
@rene boom
 
tnx
 
@durron597 I hear ya. I'm out of CVs, Deletes, and up/down votes.
 
@durron597 I flagged that one as spam
 
@durron597 get the link for comments.
 
3:26 PM
@durron597 I'm just down to 39 cv left, I'll keep those dry for the event
 
@Mogsdad It's just the timestamp
Like twitter or facebook
right click on the time, copy link
 
or click the datetime and copy your URL
 
@TylerH Nahhhh that involves a whole page load
 
@durron597 Ah. There I was pulling the ID from html... Simple.
 
Who's got time for that.
 
3:28 PM
If your previous answer was an answer, then you should have edited it with updated information instead of deleting it. In this new answer, your references to a deleted answer will help nobody, because they cannot see it... it's deleted, right? — Mogsdad 19 mins ago
@durron597 Well, I'm out of votes, so... this guy?
 
(thought it's NAA, not spam)
 
IDK why people make answers like that.
 
@Mogsdad You are 14 upvotes away from your gold badge. You could get it in one day without even capping.
@NathanOliver drugs
Don't use drugs kids, it will make you post gibberish on a programming help site.
 
@durron597 nah that sh*t is spam
all day
 
3:34 PM
@TylerH We'll see if you get disputed or not.
 
@durron597 Is that you, mom? Stop nagging me! Theoretically. A big day on the google* tags gives about 8 upvotes.
 
@Mogsdad I like gold badges because they're shiny and precious. my preciousssss
@TylerH Did you get helpful or disputed?
 
helpful
funnily enough my flag on this link stackoverflow.com/questions/53728/… was disputed
w/e answer was there
the Buzz guy who added a second answer about his first answer
 
My biggest day ever: May 29 2015, after 9 answers in 20 hours... 9 effin upvotes.
 
but people in the low quality queue are sissies anyway
 
3:40 PM
@TylerH It was deleted by mod, not by the queue
 
@Mogsdad My biggest day ever was when I learned about a whole technology just to answer a question
@durron597 that just affirms my statement
I wish we could flag questions as VLQ
 
Well, you technically can
 
@TylerH We used to be able to, now you're supposed to VTC them.
 
But then you have to battle triage
 
@durron597 I just want the power. Because then I can abuse it. After all, what's the point of having power, if you don't abuse it?!
 
How many more cvs for this?
 
@Kyll 4 3 :(
 
Oh.
 
@Kyll off-topic, asking for off-site resource
needs 2 more
 
3:44 PM
@durron597 I've done that before, a few times
Sometimes you just find questions that have really bad answers
 
user4639281
> With this basic example ...
 
@durron597 Isn't the question POB / asking for external resource?
> Can someone please provide a rationale and some sample code for the "preferred" approach
 
user4639281
@Kyll In some situations, but that reads as the author looking for an Official preferred.
 
Isn't "give me sample code" usually too broad and "preferred approach" usually POB?
 
user4639281
3:46 PM
^^ That
 
user4639281
Except for the POB part, borderline.
 
user4639281
I would vtc as too broad.
 
Both of those largely rely on context of course, and I haven't actually looked at the question
 
It does sort of look like it's asking if there's a standard way to do it with React
I pinged my React.js friend to look but I think he's offline at the moment
 
Could you post examples (images would do) showing the problem? Nudge - if that post helped, why not upvote it? — Mogsdad 1 min ago
@durron597 <")))><
It's an election year... campaigning can be more helpful than substance!
 
3:51 PM
just ask Trump
 
Wow? Awesome moderator? awww shucks... now where's the "oh, but I was meaning to ask..." bit :)
 
@JonClements No no favor asking. I know you are not our personal mod. I just appreciate that you guys are out there fighting the tide of crap daily.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad That guy does seem like a tool, but that's kind of mean 8)
 
@TinyGiant rofl
 
@NathanOliver that's just what they want you to think
 
3:59 PM
@TinyGiant But at least he's... _station_ary!
 
really they just sit on the couch drinking tea, pointing at the roomba and laughing when it gets stuck in a corner
 
user4639281
and wondering why the rum is always gone.
 
speaking of drinking some tea
 
Newegg really is slipping these days... I just got an email saying "AWESOME DEAL" and it's $12 off a > $100 product
 
4:02 PM
!!/tea
 
@NathanOliver brews a cup of green tea for @NathanOliver
 
@Mogsdad I remind people to accept my answers constantly... but only in response to thank you comments.
!!/coffee
 
@durron597 brews coffee for @durron597
 
!!/redbull
 
Man when I made the !!/tea command randomize types of tea I should have randomized coffee too
 
4:13 PM
umm... where's my tea and lemon Smokey!?
 
Apparently the bot is intelligent enough to know Red Bull should not be brewed
 
!!/milk
 
@durron597 I "demand" an earl grey tea and lemon Jon special command! :p
 
@JonClements oh, just have a brandy and be done with it
 
4:14 PM
oh, if you're offering, send it over :p
 
@durron597 Yes, I got my free red bull cans from that
 
Jon Clements: If I can't guarantee smokey will make me earl grey tea, I don't want any.
@JonClements I noticed that I had a custom flag today that got handled really quickly. Usually custom flags take the longest. Is it a coincidence, or are there factors that make custom flags get handled sooner?
 
This rooms turns into an illegal distillery ...
 
It was an answer from 2008, but a mod had just deleted a different crappy answer on the same justion.
 
@rene you need a license to brew tea? What is this, 1776 England?
 
4:16 PM
Ill take a scotch
 
@NathanOliver "fighting crap daily"... wait - what do you think mods do... I thought we were supposed to sit around in a private lounge, smoking cuban cigars and drinking brandy and laugh at "mere" users! Don't tell me I've signed up for the wrong job! :(
3
 
man you guys have a good PR campaign. Here I was thinking you guys did things.
 
@NathanOliver after a few bottles of fine brandy we might click a few buttons or something?
 
If y'all are tired of looking at crap all day, this question and all answers are great. None are authored by me so upvote with abandon.
 
@JonClements that explains how the mods "accidentally" hit the decline flag.
 
4:21 PM
@durron597 It all depends - there's a lot of different categories of flags. Spam and rude/offensive are pretty much "look at first". So put simply, something 6 years old flagged as NAA can wait, while something a couple of minutes with a spam can't.
 
@JonClements I meant specifically for custom flags.
 
I'm getting to that
 
@durron597 That makes me sad to be an American.
 
@JonClements you mean you didn't get cigars and brandy? Poor SO mods... :(
 
So the workflow (or at least mine) is clear all the urgent ones, then go through the rest... the system automatically prioritises those flags based on something like the OP, and the flag weight/number of people flagging it
Don't think that's a big secret - fairly sure it's in an MSE post from 3/4 years back
 
user4639281
4:24 PM
@JonClements Do you ever get a post with a high flag count and not delete the post?
 
I have done so, yes
 
user4639281
More to the point, does the flag count weigh on your decision to delete?
 
I tend to not think of it in that way. You've got my attention via the flags - it's now my role to take appropriate action kind of thing.
Hence, I guess - somewhat related to the MSO post about someone asking why their NAA's were marked helpful but not deleted...
 
@TinyGiant as a mod on a different site, absolutely, people flag things often for all sorts of wrong reasons
 
user4639281
@JonClements Just making sure.
 
user4639281
4:30 PM
@enderland I understand that people flag things badly all the time, I was more asking about a more specific situation where a large amount of people have flagged the same post wrongly.
 
If they're wrong, they get declined
 
The "not an answer" flag is IME the biggest culprit, it's sometimes used for "low quality answer but still an answer" stuff
 
I'm sometimes lenient on the NAA flag. If it's borderline and not completely wrong, than I take it as good faith, might mark as helpful (but always do a custom reason).
 
user4639281
The wording of the NaA flag description is the real culprit.
 
If it's the same flagger that's just spamming the mod flag queue, then I'm very likely to bother reading a few, then if I'm turning down those, I'm very likely to just decline everything else without much looking unless it has other flags that warrant it.
It's easy to tell when someone's "I want the Marshall badge - I wrote a script" let's go flagging spree doesn't quite work :)
 
4:34 PM
@JonClements Yeah :(
At least I'm not getting "some of your recent flags have been declined" message anymore :-P
 
I bet that custom answer had a bunch of flags on it from this room.
 
A comment flag on "Thanks it worked!" from 6 years ago isn't worth mod time when there's other posts that are rude/offensive/spam, people getting into arguments, suspected sock puppets etc...
 
@JonClements Oh, I expect too chatty flags to take hours
I mostly asking about "why do some custom question/answer flags take days, others take minutes"
Maybe if the answer is highly negatively scored, does that weigh in?
I'm sure multiple flags weigh in.
 
@durron597 because if you've got a good flag history, it floats towards of the top of the queue
 
4:37 PM
The answer there is probably "flag weight"
 
@JonClements in non-obvious cases where I think context could help I almost always leave a comment explaining why I'm flagging because I figure it helps the poster fix things and the mods/LQPQ reviewers can still see it to get the context. Then I just flag as NAA. Is this as effective as a custom flag?
 
user4639281
Mods don't see comments on the post in the queue though I thought?
 
I used to use custom flags a lot, but I noticed they take a while to process (and the community can't help), so now I really only do it if I think there's sock puppet action.
 
@josilber it depends... mods only get a summary view of the question, we have to either expand the question to see comments/answers or visit the question
 
@KevinBrown Interesting. I suppose since my fiasco I only have four declined flags in my last 350.
 
4:39 PM
@JonClements Oh interesting. So is the preferred action custom flagging then because it reduces the workload for moderators? (No need to click into the question)
 
last mod flag I brought up was handled in about 20 minutes but that was for a user who had 2 accounts.
 
user4639281
For the most part, if it NaA doesn't apply because its still an apple, you shouldn't use a custom flag. Just downvote and move on. Possibly leave a comment educating everyone else why the answer is crap.
 
I imagine my flag history is probably worse than you guys :(
 
@TinyGiant Well here I'm talking about cases where it is NAA but it may not be obvious from a glance. Something like "code code code worked for me", where that was the exact code from another answer. This is a "thanks" post and hence NAA, but it might not be obvious. So I post a comment like "It looks like the code from xyz's answer worked for you. Instead of posting an answer saying it works, please consider upvoting that answer." Then I flag NAA.
 
NAA also in edge cases takes a lot of time to evaluate the validity sometimes
 
4:43 PM
If I can't prove that it's NAA from just the answer and nothing else, I don't flag NAA.
I might custom flag, but I don't NAA.
Also, something I would definitely flag "This answer is a blatant copy paste from another answer to this question from 3 years ago" is an answer. Therefore, don't flag NAA.
 
user4639281
@josilber I agree with that, but you could also post a comment on the answer and use a VLQ flag, which will send it to the LQPRQ to be dealt with by the community without moderator intervention.
 
@TinyGiant Well as I understand it NAA also sends it to the LQPQ, and the comment helps the community review it.
 
user4639281
@josilber I don't believe so, NaA is a moderator attention flag.
 
both send it to the VLQ queue
 
user4639281
I'm wrong.
 
4:46 PM
I think there's a time delay before it hits the mod queue, though
 
Both send to VLQ queue for sure. Only mods see a difference.
 
15 minutes or an hour I think
 
From here: "Not an Answer flags now feed into the Low Quality review queue"
 
Oh no, 6 new -related questions
 
Yesterday or the day before I found an answer that had four Recommend Delete -> Edit kicked it out of the queue, I flagged it again, and it was deleted by the LQPQ. That was a lie, it was deleted by Martijn
 
4:49 PM
@durron597 Ah good -- glad to see I told off the editor
 
someday I'd love to get 10k on SO so I can see all the gems turds
 
Yeah... it's a fairly recent change so we don't get flooded with flags...
but if a VLQ doesn't get handled by the community (after a certain time), it does end up in the mod queue
 
@enderland I kinda want 10k on MSE.
There's gotta be a ton of awesome deleted stuff there.
 
I'm much closer there, and it's much easier to get rep on MSE than SO if you are not in popular tags
 
user4639281
4:53 PM
I only need 3,601 to get to 10k at the rate that I'm currently progressing it will take twice as long to get to that point as it took me to get to this point.
 
@enderland I've got a separate bookmark list for "Deleted questions on SO that make me laugh" :p
 
@JonClements Oh man I would love to see those :)
 
@TinyGiant I got 20k in my first year... stop slacking!
 
It's hard if you aren't in an upvote friendly tag
 
@JonClements Overachiever! It took me 20 months.
 
user4639281
4:54 PM
I could totally get to 20k in a year if I didn't care about the quality of questions that I answered.
 
user4639281
Unfortunately I'm a web-tag guy so it can be pretty difficult just to find questions worth answering.
 
@TinyGiant php
no wait, I don't wish that sort of pain on anyone
 
user4639281
I'm a PHP guy, I don't even look at the PHP question list.
 
user4639281
NFWI
 
(wat?)
 
user4639281
4:58 PM
not f!@#in worth it.
 
oh, somehow google didn't know what that was
or urban dictionary
 
user4639281
Probably because I made it up.
 
oh
 
lol
 
user4639281
Sometimes I just figure I'll come up with an acronym and see if anyone can use the context to figure it out.
 
user4639281
4:59 PM
In real life too.
 
I've wanted for years to make my license plate a completely random "acronym" just for fun
 
user4639281
What's hilarious is when you get people trained and they start guessing to see who will get it first.
 
if it's a 3 letter acronym people will believe anything you say
especially in the tech world
 
SVT
 
@MetaFight: I recently recorded a series of educational videos and at one point I mention that I have no idea why the designers used both length and count. It has always struck me as bizarre. The comment from Jules above seems plausible. — Eric Lippert 6 mins ago
 
5:01 PM
@rene that's a focus model from ford
 
EEEK
 
Everyone Else Eeeks Konstantly
(cheating)
 
@JonClements I'd love to see that too
 
user4639281
90% of people will believe anything you say if it contains a statistic.
 
Getting rep is not that hard if you work at it and are willing to answer dupes.
 
user4639281
5:03 PM
(If you say "I didn't know that" you fail)
 
This last rep surge has me almost halfway to epic and illuminator in less than two months.
By the way, the fact that Refiner is 50 posts and Illuminator is 500 is freaking nuts. Compare 50 for Epic and 150 for Legendary.
 
user4639281
11 more edits until copy editor
 
I have submitted one gem to this: gemsfromstackexchange.tumblr.com
 
@TinyGiant nice. just got that last week
 
user4639281
@NathanOliver Congrats
 
5:06 PM
@rene that one is hilarious
 
user4639281
@rene Lol
 
Lol, this room has made me an edit nut
I got Copy Editor mid july, I have 1200 edits now.
 
user4639281
Then I need to get steward in the cvq.
 
Wow, I actually passed @TylerH in edits.
The question is terrible.
 
@durron597 might not be
 
5:14 PM
@durron597 Linkedin page says Symantec, so probably not?
 
Yeah, I didn't flag, but can we close the question please.
 
user4639281
Oh, @Jon are you around?
 
I left the answer alone but i did VTC the question
 
@TinyGiant Maybe....?
@durron597 As opposed to just "a nut"? :p
 
user4639281
5:16 PM
@JonClements You feel like taking a look at these synonym requests again?
 
@TinyGiant Maybe later?
 
user4639281
@JonClements Sure, just wanted to bring it back to your attention now that it they have had some time to gather opinions
 
@durron597 As a heads up, there's less (though not no) value in multiple VLQ/NAA flags than there is in multiple close or delete votes. See: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/272561/3093387
 
@josilber unless you want to boost your flag count! ;)
 
5:26 PM
@enderland haha true I suppose
 
@josilber I thought more flags kick it up in priority. No?
 
@durron597 Ah, interesting. I guess the priority in mod queues isn't addressed in that answer (unclear if the algorithm is public).
 
user4639281
So, if you flag a post as vlq then edit it, it marks your flag helpful. So would the system start screaming somewhere if someone wrote a script to flag posts as vlq then edit with an HTML empty comment?
 
@durron597 from what I have read they don't but I don't have the post to quote
 
5:30 PM
Not LQPQ priority, mod priority.
 
@josilber lol, thanks. How'd you find that so fast?
 
Apple-F for the title
was on page 6
 
user4639281
I'd imagine the system would notice that you're flagging the posts that you're editing, but a sock puppet would defeat that check.
 
Oh, I thought it'd be farther back than that.
 
5:31 PM
(searching through the history tab in the queue)
 
I know how you found it, I just don't know how you found it so fast :-P
 
user4639281
We should write a UserScript for that.
 
@durron597 I've been busy watching YouTube videos the past 6 months
 
user4639281
I'll have to check out the api for the review queues.
 
@TinyGiant Great idea!
 
5:33 PM
@TinyGiant I'll bounty one of your answers if you do that.
 
@durron597 Seconded
 
user4639281
Then add a little link to the post menu showing how many review tasks there are and list links to each one.
 
@TinyGiant ... that could get API intensive.
 
user4639281
Yeah.
 
It would have to be manual request.
 
user4639281
5:34 PM
Could do that.
 
Also, you might have to use your own auth token because the history page is 10k tools.
Maybe I'll write it, you probably wouldn't be able to test it.
 
user4639281
Hmmm.... I'll see what I can come up with.
 
@TylerH LoL / Dota2 championship commentary?
@AleksandrDubinsky The one in the dupe banner also adequately answers the question. You are welcome to post about it on Meta Stack Overflow if you like. — durron597 20 secs ago
Don't. Engage. Ignore. Pings.
 
@durron597 It's interesting that you have people petitioning for the Q to be reopened, yet I see no reopen votes. Guess those people don't have enough rep to do so.
And... I'm wrong.
This user has 4600.
 
5:50 PM
and that is the one arguing the most
 
@durron597 no, cat videos
 
oh, seems I just got a reminder to myself that I set a month ago:
 
yeah.
 
hasn't been back yet.
 
I'm sure it's someone in here.
Not that I plan to tell him that.
 
5:55 PM
@durron597 I'm glad he clarified that he is sensible and intelligent
 
@TylerH Yup. It helps.
@NathanOliver You think he'll make a MSO post? I don't.
 
At least he is doing the sensible thing and quitting.
Due to above discussion and attitudes, I am closing my account — Quell 54 mins ago
 
Also, I should point out that every single flag against one of Quell's posts were by a different person. There's no coordination or targeting at work here, and these just seem to be the byproduct of community review. — Brad Larson ♦ 19 mins ago
I guess not.
 
@durron597 I don't think so as there still isn't a reopen vote
 
Well Brad could be missing a chat link
 
6:05 PM
ugh
-4
Q: 2nd greatest among 4 numbers...iam getting the error as "expected : before )"

Sai Ram Reddy#include<stdio.h> #include<conio.h> iam not getting the output it is showing expected : before ) int main() { int a,b,c,d,k; scanf("%d %d %d %d",&a,&b,&c,&d);//input k=(((a>b && a>c && a>d) ? (((b>c && b>d) ? b : ((c>b && c>d) ? c:d)))) : ((b>a && b>c && b>d) ? (((a>c && a>...

 
I always hate looking at the results of suggested edits like this, there's always one or two people blindly accepting it
Do we really need the tag? I feel like that could be safely syn'd to
 
@KevinBrown I'd upvote that meta post.
 
@KevinBrown does not appear to have any questions in it
 
@KevinBrown sounds like a klingon word
 
And appears Python specific?
 
6:15 PM
@josilber does though
 
@josilber it's also in Ruby and Django
and there are kwargs libraries for JavaScript
 
kwargs is the typical name people give the splat variable for keyword arguments
 
@TylerH Ah, OK. Just looking at the first page everything seems python related, and the wiki (such as it is) is just a link to python documentation
 
@josilber 153/168 questions tagged is also tagged
 
@KevinBrown OK, so most but not all
 
6:17 PM
Looking at all of the related tags, I'm going to say all of them are Python related
 
Ha @Pham
 
Greetings humans.
 
No greeting for puppies... bloomin' specieism...
 
user4639281
Shoulda been "Greetings creatures"
 
6:20 PM
Is a flower a creature?
 
If you all agree, I'll be posting possible CV/DV-worthy posts in here (from SO) as and when they become active.
 
Trying out a new bot?
 
I'm not new. I actually used to live in the LQP HQ (MSE). Which is, in fact, one of the main reasons that room was created.
I've simply moved here to test out a new classification system.
 
Right, I meant to ask if you were trying out a new classification system
 
@durron597 I tried to get this link added to the "Go get it" link for marshal with this meta post, but it didn't catch on.
 
6:26 PM
I remember when you used to post to the Tavern/LQPHQ
 
If the tests prove to be successful, I'll live here on a more permanent basis (again, if all things here agree).
@KevinBrown The Creator decided to halt previous activity due to my inaccuracy.
 
Kind of bizarre from a 500+ rep user: stackoverflow.com/a/32233493/3093387
 
@Pham how many posts per hour do you expect?
 
@josilber upvoted.
 
@Pham and do you report the same posts as Smokey in some way (the posts you report I mean)
 
6:31 PM
@rene That's currently unknown. I will be limited though, as to avoid flooding the room.
 
How is this an answer to the question? — NathanOliver 18 secs ago
 
@rene I'll be using my report style, but yes.
 
@Pham do you have an emergency break and if so can I be authorized/trusted to use it?
 
Some guy self deleted a +3 answer on this bounty question Surprised he didn't attempt to stay in the running.
 
@durron597 isn't there a badge for that?
 
user4639281
6:37 PM
@tripleee Boom
 
@NathanOliver I think for -3 and below there is
 
@NathanOliver I think it is at -3
 
There's also one for +3
 
"Peer pressure" I think
Oh?
 
Disciplined
 
6:38 PM
still don't have that one...
 
The one for +3 is called "Disciplined".
 
@NathanOliver Yea, disciplined.
 
user4639281
@rene Me neither lol
 
Though it's stupid because you get the rep back and still keep the badge.
Just delete an answer, wait 10 minutes, undelete answer. Badge complete.
 
6:39 PM
if you delete old answers, you get to keep the rep
 
@rene @TinyGiant That was quick, thx (-:
 
user4639281
And, if the answer is older than 60 days deleting it doesn't lose you any rep
 
Even better, though you don't want to self delete too many answers
 
user4639281
@tripleee yw, for a second your emoticon looked like a guy with a weird hat and no mouth.
 
@tripleee Welcome back, I hope to see you around more.
 
6:43 PM
@durron597 not if you do it after 6 months
@Kitler go away we don't want to close your ember questions!
(<3)
 
lol
I auto join my favourite rooms
 
@Kitler PS thoughts on that react.js question I linked in the other room?
(that you were pinged in)
 
you just said ember :P
I don't use react
 
You talk about react all the time
or is that rlemon?
 
Let ember react
 
6:45 PM
that's loktar and easwee
 
ah
dang
 
@easwee is a regular here as well...
 
@KevinBrown I found a bunch of dupes via that. Thanks.
 
@rene Yes. All ROs will be granted elevated permissions.
 
@KevinBrown In fact, I found so many open dupes that I'm now out of CVs and I didn't get them all.
 

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