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7:01 PM
@Pham OK, lets have it
 
I agree with @rene
@Pham Do you have varying confidence levels?
 
@rene A wiki is still being complied with all my chat commands. You'll have to wait until it's finished.
 
@durron597 thanks, I'm sure I will ... tho now it's bedtime here
 
@durron597 One day I went through and had the same issue with XML parsing libraries for .NET
 
@tripleee night!
 
7:08 PM
Thanks to durron, I've flagged 8 posts today
I'm moving like lightning
 
I think that's a false positive but not sure
@durron597 thanks bro
homies for lyfe
 
@TylerH I want to say it's not, but I think editing it out would be safe
It's already been ignored in the Tavern
 
@durron597 are you going to say anything to him?
 
7:13 PM
Anyone have a google app engine gold badge?
It looks like he's correctly identified 5 dupes. And doesn't have enough rep to VTC.
Unfortunately I'm out of CVs.
Can someone else handle this?
 
@durron597 flagged
I will go through and cv as a dupe once I find the best source
 
@TylerH Is it actually flaggable, if the questions are all dupes and the answer is relevant to all 5 questions and clearly is not spam?
 
@SmokeDetector tpu- confirmed spam
 
It's certainly flaggable if you post the exact same answer verbatim as somewhere else, even if you were the one who posted it last time
certainly if it's five times
 
@durron597 Yes, there's a meta post about this
 
7:15 PM
also I don't know enough about Java to determine their dupe candidacy
 
Or a Shog quote that I can rip out of context
 
but I don't think they're dupes
 
@durron597 I left a comment for the OP
 
49
A: Is it acceptable to add a duplicate answer to several questions?

kiamlalunoCopying and pasting the same answer for different questions is not the correct thing to do. If the exact same answer is required for different questions, then those questions could be duplicates; it could also be the user is generalizing too much the question being asked, and writes the same ans...

 
> This user posted the exact same answer five times. I think he's actually correctly identified four duplicates of this question, though I am not an expert on this particular tech. This is question is probably the best one. Here are the other four answers: stackoverflow.com/a/32234469 stackoverflow.com/a/32234485 stackoverflow.com/a/32234492 stackoverflow.com/a/32234494. I would VTC dupe but I'm out for today and I don't want to forget given this user's repasting.
@rene Before I forget, today's delete votes are the bottom voted answers of the deletion search in the starboard.
I think I only encountered one that was too recently closed to VTD.
 
7:21 PM
@durron597 OK
 
@durron597 and maybe even pob
 
Up to 23 flags today, almost every one on a new answer. sheesh.
 
You do know that google is not infallible right? — NathanOliver 9 secs ago
 
@durron597 i know, that new answers to old questions page is an easy way to use up flags :D
 
7:27 PM
@NathanOliver if only that comment were a link to an example of google's fallibility.
At this rate I will get the Marshal badge by tomorrow
 
@TylerH preferably cached on Google's servers
 
Yeah. I don;t have one handy unfortunately.
 
@durron597 Careful
It's not link-only if it gives the name of the class being suggested
 
7:30 PM
@josilber still VLQ
 
@TylerH Maybe in this case, but in structure this is basically Shog9's FileOutputStream example -- meta.stackexchange.com/q/225370/253560
 
@josilber Right. It's VLQ, not NAA.
 
@josilber yes, they're answers
but low qualit yones
 
user4639281
7:32 PM
We need that image plastered up somewhere in the room.
 
@durron597 Right, as I understand it we're supposed to be downvoting those
Not flagging
 
@TinyGiant edited instead because it is a dupe target for lots of questions already
 
They don't explain anything about the class or how to use it.
 
@josilber flagging as VLQ puts an attention flag on it suggesting it needs to be improved (or agreeing that it is so bad that it can't be improved)
 
user4639281
@TylerH The accepted answer is now completely invalid
 
7:33 PM
ugh
I wanna post a deal with it pic but that's probably not the constructive thing to do
there
now it's only ancillarily POB
 
user4639281
Still pob
 
nah, the main question is "what's the difference"
 
user4639281
Or at the very least too broad.
 
yes, probably quite broad, but meta is split about that
 
user4639281
7:35 PM
"In addition, which one is better to use?" For what use case?
 
but then again this one did get attention in a new answer two days ago
 
who is the wiseguy that is voting to close this obviously opinionated question? shog is going to come in here and scold you for it :p stackoverflow.com/questions/2005079/absolute-vs-relative-urls
 
user4639281
I see no faq tag
 
@cimmanon that'll be old hat for this room
@TinyGiant faq is a main tag?
 
@KevinBrown please chill on the VLQ man :)
 
user4639281
7:37 PM
No, but there are c++-faq etc
 
no, it's not
@TinyGiant okay, sounds like a bad tag
 
user4639281
No shit eh? Tell shog all about it.
 
commenting under a 85K user is certainly brave of you, but I think someone is just messing around there
 
or we should go through all the old 500-upvote questions that are all off-topic and tag them with faq tags
 
@TylerH I strongly disagree. Check the image from meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/287563/…
 
user4639281
7:38 PM
But you weren't around when I got eaten out for the one that you me and rene decided to close.
 
@DavidArenburg Ah, I was wondering which one you were referring to
 
@TinyGiant link?
 
@KevinBrown actually both
 
i think we need a "protected" status that actually protects the question. something between "locked" and "lol, you only need 10 rep to answer this question"
 
7:38 PM
@DavidArenburg You look like of a mix between Guy Pearce and Hugh Jackman
 
user4639281
@TylerH I'll look for it hold on
 
@DavidArenburg I think the 85k one is gone now, but both showed up in Blaze and I figured I'd kill the FGITW advantage
 
user4639281
Aug 21 at 17:45, by durron597
@TinyGiant Were you going after questions? I just noticed the move semantics one is also tagged that.
 
user4639281
That's where the chewing started
 
7:41 PM
@josilber that's fine, but shog's not the arbiter of policy at SO. Luckily it is a community site where individuals can act based on their own opinions, which is good because often times certain bigwigs have been very wrong on stuff
 
@josilber lol
@TylerH We should not fight with the C++ people, let them run their tag how they want.
 
@TylerH Could you point to a relevant meta opinion saying you should be VLQ flagging answers that 1) Attempt to answer the question; 2) Are not link only; 3) Are low quality?
I have not seen that upvoted on any meta discussion
The only guidance I've seen is to downvote, comment edit
kind of like the pic I just posted
 
3
A: Please help me to understand LQP flagging

Shog9As you requested, a quick run-through of your specific examples: Is VLQ - but not entirely obvious without the benefit of seeing the other answers to the question. It is a factual answer... Is VLQ Is NOT VLQ - may not be particularly helpful when compared to some of the other answers, but does ...

I got all those declines mostly because I was going after OLD answers.
Shog suggests in the comments that flagging new answers, and not all at once, goes over better with moderators.
 
@durron597 Yes leave us only. We are to busy doing TMP
 
@DavidArenburg fwiw, I actually don't flag code-only answers (because they aren't NAA or VLQ), I only leave the auto comment
 
7:46 PM
@NathanOliver TMP?
I don't flag code only answers either.
 
@durron597 You spelled "dopes" wrong.
 
Template metaprogramming (TMP) is a metaprogramming technique in which templates are used by a compiler to generate temporary source code, which is merged by the compiler with the rest of the source code and then compiled. The output of these templates include compile-time constants, data structures, and complete functions. The use of templates can be thought of as compile-time execution. The technique is used by a number of languages, the best-known being C++, but also Curl, D, and XL. Template metaprogramming was, in a sense, discovered accidentally: see History of TMP. Some other languages support...
 
@Mogsdad d[ou]pes
 
@durron597 That's helpful -- thanks! I wouldn't flag any of those because they're all borderline and it always seems like a coin flip if they'll get declined (I guess they did in your case).
I wish Shog9 would have described the reasoning, though...
 
@Mogsdad You have 10 upvotes today. 986 + 10 = so close
Both - there will be some measure of disagreement, and that's ok. Improve your odds by not raising too many flags in a very short period of time, if you can help it; if someone's flooding the site with crap, that's unavoidable, but if it looks like you're just clogging the queue with old answers that matched a search query some mods will decline all at the first sign of inaccuracy. — Shog9 ♦ Aug 18 at 19:15
 
7:49 PM
@KevinBrown yeah, it's just you won't post such comment under anyones answer I guess.
85K user won't take it seriusly
the reason they deleted is because the output was wrong so you were lucky :)
 
@durron597 you replied w/ C++ to my reply about a VLQ answer?
I don't intend to fight with C++ people
 
user4639281
@Closey starting
 
@TinyGiant Don't get lost in the queue!
 
I just intend to CV their too broad questions
 
@durron597 Yeah, but that doesn't really describe how to judge the content of the posts -- it's just saying you shouldn't flag too quickly. Like, why did he choose no VLQ on 2 and VLQ on the rest?
 
7:52 PM
@josilber Dunno. It's somewhat subjective, I guess.
My big takeaway was that comment - let sleeping dogs lie on old answers
 
@durron597 Yeah, I guess? I conclude that I won't flag anything that makes any attempt to answer unless it's copied from some other answer, in which case I custom flag.
 
cleanup stuff people are actually looking at bumped questions from new answers on old questions.
 
@josilber Well no, but those are different criteria than I what I use to flag for VLQ
 
@josilber Which is fine. I have lots of flags these days with "This answer, while just barely technically an answer, doesn't serve to add anything to the other answers to this question and can be safely deleted without harming anything." See: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/302619/…
 
so I don't think I need to provide an example of that
 
user4639281
7:58 PM
There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[source]"
 
you started 8 minutes too early!
 
@Closey start event
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
9,312 need review
1,329 reviews today
2,773,135 reviews all-time
The tags to work on are: , , .
 
user4639281
Why are collage kids so stupid?
 
8:00 PM
@durron597 How is that borderline spam?
 
@NathanOliver spamming to his own question
 
Let's handle first
 
@Closey starting
 
@gunr2171 Don't get lost in the queue!
 
@Closey starting
 
8:00 PM
@rene Don't get lost in the queue!
 
@durron597 I see
@Closey starting
 
@NathanOliver May the Vote be with you!
 
RNG of closey is probably fixed at 4
 
@rene Seen in Closey's source code:
 
yep
 
8:02 PM
@Closey starting
 
@josilber May Shog9's Will be done.
 
474
Q: Why is this program erroneously rejected by three C++ compilers?

James McNellisI am having some difficulty compiling a C++ program that I've written. This program is very simple and, to the best of my knowledge, conforms to all the rules set forth in the C++ Standard. I've read over the entirety of ISO/IEC 14882:2003 twice to be sure. The program is as follows: Here i...

 
I thought this was awesome
 
@TinyGiant kids that make collages?
or did you just misspell a word
 
@durron597 I've answered three today, including one where the OP took my answer, followed the advice... then posted their own #!$ answer. How many upvotes is that worth? Zero. I tell ya, that's a hard tag to get ahead on!
 
8:07 PM
 
user4639281
@TylerH No kids that make it into college then misspell the word college.
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [source]"
checking the tags suggested by closey now...
 
user4639281
cvq is being slow.
 
old questions, probably
 
8:10 PM
There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [source]"
 
@josilber That will teach him to lock his computer when he goes for coffee.
 
You have no more close votes today; come back in 3 hours.
 
@NathanOliver The review session has been marked as completed. To set the number of items you reviewed use the command last session edit count <new count>
 
@Mogsdad Well, there was some elaborate trolling in the comments
Long coffee break?
 
@Closey last session edit count 22
 
8:12 PM
Review item count has been changed:
User: NathanOliver (4342498)
Start Time: 2015-08-26 20:01:04 UTC
End Time: 2015-08-26 20:12:14 UTC
Items Reviewed: [Not Set] -> 22
Use the command 'last session stats' to see more details.
 
user4639281
> passed c++ audit
 
user4639281
even though it was too broad.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@NathanOliver Your last completed review session ended 40 seconds ago and lasted 11 minutes and 10 seconds. You reviewed 22 items, averaging a review every 30 seconds.
 
@TinyGiant bros before c++ questions
 
user4639281
8:13 PM
Lolz
 
that'd be worth a star if I had said haskell :-P
 
passed javascript audit
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [twitter-bootstrap]"
 
user4639281
Cheesus Crust! 35 seconds to load the next question every time, my time is going to be horrible.
 
@josilber 20 minutes, start to finish... That's how long it takes to walk from here to Timmy's and back, plus there's usually a lineup around this time for double-doubles and crullers... So I figure that's enough time for a knowledgeable "friend" to mess with his account.
@TinyGiant This is where having no remaining votes pays off. Low stress. I'm just here for comedic relief.
 
hi
 
user4639281
8:15 PM
Lol, why is timmy's always a 20 minute walk?
 
because a human's walking pace is usually uniform?
 
because the well is always 20 minutes away
 
user4639281
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 3 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@TinyGiant Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
> You have no more close votes today; come back in 3 hours.
 
8:16 PM
@rene The review session has been marked as completed. To set the number of items you reviewed use the command last session edit count <new count>
 
It's so sad, I never have any CVs left when the event rolls around.
 
@closey starting
 
user4639281
@Closey last session stats
 
@TylerH By the power of the Vote! Review!
 
@Closey last session edit count 37
 
8:16 PM
@TinyGiant Your last completed review session ended 20 seconds ago and lasted 25 minutes and 3 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 37 seconds.
Review item count has been changed:
User: rene (578411)
Start Time: 2015-08-26 20:00:50 UTC
End Time: 2015-08-26 20:16:30 UTC
Items Reviewed: [Not Set] -> 37
Use the command 'last session stats' to see more details.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@rene Your last completed review session ended 34 seconds ago and lasted 15 minutes and 40 seconds. You reviewed 37 items, averaging a review every 25 seconds.
 
later guys
 
cya!
 
user4639281
Laterz
 
Sam
8:18 PM
Cya.
 
user4639281
May your mellow remain unharshed.
 
Farewell human.
 
@rene: Nice answer. But shouldn't it be "therefore" instead of "therefor" and "and at any rate" (or something like that) instead of "and ant rate"?
 
Sam
Spam.
 
@SmokeDetector tpu- !!!!
 
user4639281
 
:25336832 One CV. LOL
 
ugh, i've only done 12 reviews so far
so many distractions
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 What distractions?
 
ugh...
 
user4639281
lol
 
8:20 PM
@TinyGiant Probably loud machines out on the factory floor
 
I'm going to ask you politely to shut your face.
 
@TinyGiant Because there's one every kilometer across the country, eh?
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 Why not?
 
@durron597 yes, and there is a loudspeaker blasting music 24/7 right above my desk
 
@honk probably yes...
 
8:21 PM
Thankfully, us bots don't have faces.
 
@TinyGiant The link gives me: "There is a pending suggested edit in the queue, try again in a few minutes." I thought there are no suggested edits on meta...
 
@gunr2171 geez! When do you get your new new office?
 
hopefully september 1st
however I don't think that's going to happen
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad I swear, everywhere I have lived there has been a tim hortons nearby, it is always a 20 minute walk to get there
 
That's not so bad. This was a good time to take vacation then
@gunr2171 oh :-/
 
8:22 PM
@honk let me know if you edit that or that you expect me to do that
 
@durron597 that's the goal
 
user4639281
@honk There shouldn't be a suggested edit on it, and you should be able to suggest an edit...
 
Maybe a bug ...
 
@rene I can't, I don't have 3k. I don't expect that you fix that, but I thought that you maybe would like to do that ;)
 
8:23 PM
OK
hold on
 
user4639281
I did it.
 
@honk 2k
 
@TinyGiant WUT ;)
tnx
 
user4639281
@rene I have to get copy editor on meta somehow.
 
@durron597, good news is they are playing "freebird", which isn't so bad
 
@gunr2171 Ok, just a few points close :)
 
@TinyGiant yeah! Badges...
 
user4639281
@durron597 Those are all about thanks in questions lol.
 
I have the QuietComfort 15 ones (discontinued in favor of new model). A++ would buy again.
 
 
8:27 PM
hum....
 
user4639281
@honk Its not a tag wiki post....
 
but no microphone...
 
oh man, SOCVR teamspeak lol
No. That would be too much.
 
(I do have a teamspeak server running...just saying..)
 
@TinyGiant Never said that. I was talking about an answer by @rene.
 
8:28 PM
Nah most of my SO time is at work
I wouldn't be able to chat anyways.
 
There would be that one user that hasn't set up PTT and so the mic pics up all the ambient noises
 
@TylerH Just ban the no PTT people, that's what I've always done.
 
@TylerH if I did teamspeak where I work, the background would be all you hear, regardless of PTT or not
 
Actually min volume threshold works pretty well in my experience.
Unless it's really loud in the background where you are
 
8:30 PM
ugh 17 done...
 
@gunr2171 So you wouldn't need a microphone anyway
 
user4639281
 
Sam
SOCVR distraction tactics working as usual
 
yeah, i guess. Well I use a Logitech G930 for work and home. It's not noise canceling, but does a good job
 
8:31 PM
and it's wired. good product but getting old
 
@Mogsdad I'm definitely over 30 flags today at this point.
 
user4639281
@honk Thats what the tooltip said, check the image out again.
 
Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 3 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@josilber Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
8:32 PM
@Closey last session stats
 
@josilber Your last completed review session ended 12 seconds ago and lasted 29 minutes and 28 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 44 seconds.
 
jinx!
 
@TinyGiant It talks about non-tag-wiki edits. This means I cannot suggest edits to normal questions and answers. Or am I wrong?
 
user4639281
I missed the non- part
 
8:34 PM
oh yeah, on meta there is no such thing as suggested edits
 
Now I will definitely get the Marshall badge tomorrow
 
@gunr2171 This is why I made @rene aware of my findings in the first place. Otherwise I would have edited it right away. Anyway, @TylerH's edit is even much better...
 
I forgot about that condition as well...
 
Is this actually relevant to the question? You posted the exact same answer here. — Mogsdad 20 secs ago
 
last session stats
 
8:40 PM
you need to @ closey
 
Why does @BradLarson removes the meta post I wrote an answer for? How am I ever going to get a gold-hammer in ?
 
insert sad trombone music
 
5 upvotes gone :(
 
@TinyGiant why in god's name would I spend over a thousand dollars for a headset?
does it make me coffee as well?
 
8:44 PM
@gunr2171 I destroy headphones way too quickly for that to be a good investment
 
You'll finally look good? Oops.. sorry ... ;)
 
@rene BURN!
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 Noise cancelling and microphone, plus I doubt you would have any complaints about the quality or durability
 
probably not
 
@gunr2171 accepted
 
8:44 PM
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[source] [google-apps-script]"
 
@TinyGiant my doge would love to take bets on just how durable it is :p
 
on to twitter
 
user4639281
@cimmanon In relation to the durability of the majority of headsets, I would say no matter how much damage he could do to it, the same actions would cause more damage to the rest.
 
Ok, need to leave. Bye!
 
@rene maybe we should open some fighting room where people could come and fight over useless topics and then get kicked anyway
 
8:47 PM
cya!
didn't durron have a chat room like that?
(or remembering wrong)
passed c# audit
 
The answer in "other place" is an answer to this same question, so upvoting it would make it easier for others to find without having to navigate. That's how voting works. And please don't just assume I downvoted you: I did comment, as helpful guidance, but voting is a separate activity, and could come from any member of the community with sufficient privileges. Keep at it, you'll get there. — Mogsdad 17 secs ago
 
user4639281
@DavidArenburg What, that isn't the purpose of this room?
 
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 3 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@gunr2171 Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
8:53 PM
@gunr2171 Your last completed review session ended 5 seconds ago and lasted 52 minutes and 27 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 1 minute and 18 seconds.
 
sigh
 
@TinyGiant good point
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 Good average. Really analysing those posts today.
 
@TinyGiant Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
......
no comment
 
8:55 PM
@rene That was a well written answer -- I think it should have stayed.
 
user4639281
Lol
 
Meh. Now this is a textbook example of a borderline flag, for me.
 
@durron597 Because of the "have you tried" making it sound like a comment instead of an answer?
 
user4639281
@durron597 It is a partial low-quality answer that might not answer the question, and it doesn't have any severe content or formatting problems.
 
@josilber Yeah, but Brad handed out a chat suspension so I guess there was history with that user as he normally doesn't step in that firm...
 
user4639281
8:56 PM
Which means not flaggable.
 
@durron597 edited, better?
 
@TinyGiant Exactly. Thus, borderline.
 
@rene Ah, so maybe the backstory caused the delete.
 
yeah, I think so
 
@gunr2171 Aye, good edit. Still crappy but not flaggable.
 
8:57 PM
true
and I'm out for today, bye all!
 
bye
 
bye!
 
@JonClements - Question for a moderator... do flag messages support markdown?
 
user4639281
Plaintext I believe.
 

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