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user4639281
12:09 AM
@Kyll You should be able to, I can.
 
user4639281
wow html/css OP's are on a roll with the low quality questions today.
 
user4639281
1:08 AM
@Jon I got one failed audit in the LQPRQ and it audit banned me again. I don't think that the content warranted deletion (although I cannot go back and see what I may have missed because it is deleted). stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/9046747 maybe not great quality stuff, but not quite deletion worthy.
 
user4639281
And I've passed a whole bunch of audits since being reinstated without failing one until now.
 
user4639281
It did contain a link but IIRC it did make an effort to answer a question, and didn't have any severe formatting or content issues.
 
1:27 AM
@TinyGiant it was spam
 
user4639281
It didn't really look like spam to me, I didn't follow the link though.
 
First clue - look at the second link and the user's name...
 
user4639281
I guess I didn't read as much as I should have.
 
hullo room
 
heya @durron597
 
user4639281
1:34 AM
Hello.
 
Any thoughts on synonyming and ?
or maybe just burning entirely? which would be sad because it's my second highest badge ;)
 
user4639281
I would say synonimize, there could be questions about how to trigger exceptions, or catch them etc...
 
user4639281
handling is unnecessary
 
FYI has about 10k questions and has about 2200
 
user4639281
saw that
 
1:39 AM
Are there exceptions not related to an exception as part of exception handing?
 
user4639281
Nothing on-topic that I can think of
 
well, there's exception debugging
"my program threw an exception when it should not have. why not?"
 
user4639281
But that is part of handling it
 
user4639281
That should not have the exception tag
 
user4639281
that's just a debugging question
 
1:41 AM
debugging exceptions is different than debugging other kinds of problems.
 
user4639281
While the problems may be different, it's still a debugging question. Or would you like us to bring error back?
 
user4639281
Just because a code throws an error does not mean you use the error tag, just because your code throws an exception does not mean you use the exception tag.
 
user4639281
Otherwise the number of applicable questions would be humongous stackoverflow.com/search?q=body%3Aexception
 
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Q: [not-working] tag

igor millaDo we really need the not-working tag on Stack Overflow? It sounds similar to the blacklisted tags problem and question which were previously banned. Maybe somebody can ban not-working too.

 
user4639281
I still think there could be relevant questions about how to use exceptions, whereas you would have a much harder time coming up with a good question that related to the usage of errors.
 
1:50 AM
Do you all think a question of the following structure is on topic:
I might do something way A or way B. Is either one superior for a tangible, clear reason, or is the difference merely stylistic?
 
user4639281
It would depend on the context, but I could see someone closing it as POB even with your clarifications, or TB
 
It's not TB. It might be POB.
POB is the one I'm concerned about.
It's a question I'm considering asking.
I think asking "is the question i'm asking opinion based, if yes say so, if not what's the answer" is not opinion based
it could be a dumb question if the underlying question is dumb, of course.
 
user4639281
Well, it may be taken as opinion -based but depending on the context there could be many possible answers meaning it is too broad.
 
user4639281
If you're asking if there is one reason that would be different, but I'm guessing the answer would be no
 
2:10 AM
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Q: What is the problem with "Pros and Cons"?

MichaelT <Some question about design or product> What are the pros and cons? Sometimes, these questions get closed as 'too broad' or 'primarily opinion'. Why is that?

 
user4639281
Not in your favour
 
@TinyGiant nope.
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Q: Locking on data vs locking on functions

durron597In concurrent code, what is the difference between, and the pros and cons of each: Locking on data Locking on functions My understanding is that locking on data is better, and I think I'm doing it, but apparently I am not. Could anyone provide some clarification?

 
user4639281
And that is an example of an exception
 
The question I'm thinking about asking is similarly narrow scoped.
Though, as you can see, Glen's answer was pretty long there
 
user4639281
Well from the comments on the previously linked questions answer, as long as it is narrow enough then it shouldn't be closed
 
user4639281
2:19 AM
Hello @apnorton
 
Hi.
 
@TinyGiant yeah
 
So... My instance of smokey is up and running, but it's not posting anything yet that I can tell.
 
Man, I didn't realize until just now how close I got to getting a Great Question badge over there with this: programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/230624/…
@apnorton SmokeDetector?
 
user4639281
@AFamiliarFace alive
 
user4639281
2:20 AM
!!/alive
 
!!/coffee
 
user4639281
It's not listening
 
hmm. no smokey
 
user4639281
or posting maybe
 
I'm working on it...
It's not in here yet... and it has no rep on SO.
I'll find another question to answer on SO (meta has different chatroom rep)
 
user4639281
2:21 AM
Oh ok
 
user4639281
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 17 hours ago, by ProgramFOX
FYI, I'll be away for the next 10 days, so in case there's a problem with Smokey, better ping someone else.
 
ah got it.
 
user4639281
Smokey is offline so we are trying to set him up on another account.
 
user4639281
or apnorton is anyways
 
user4639281
Apparently we killed smokey by asking if he was alive.
 
user4639281
2:26 AM
He tried to respond, but couldn't get the words out of his mouth, so his head pressured up and exploded.
 
2:56 AM
!!/alive
@AFamiliarFace ... did I miss something?
!!/coffee
@AFamiliarFace brews coffee for @AFamiliarFace
We're good to go.
 
3:19 AM
When does the roomba script run? I thought it was 0300
 
user4639281
@AFamiliarFace awesome
 
Wow. I'm in 39th for SO rep this month
No way will I be able to keep that up.
 
user4639281
3:38 AM
@durron597 of course, I spend time making a nice demo, in the mean time the answer that is posted quickly with no explanation and no demo in the question gets two upvotes and accepted. stackoverflow.com/a/31822893/4639281
 
@TinyGiant FGITW. His has two demos btw
 
user4639281
Not in the question though. He has two "try this" demos on jsFiddle.
 
user4639281
thanks for the upvote though
 
@TinyGiant um, excuse me, upvotes are anonymous
you can't prove that it was me. no sir.
 
user4639281
Lolz
 
user4639281
3:46 AM
I even used his screenshot as the backgrounds for the buttons lol, just to make it even better.
 
@TinyGiant Did your tag scores change?
 
user4639281
I don't know, I don't pay attention to them.
 
There's a chance I'll have my mjollnir as soon as the script runs, lol impatient
 
user4639281
lolz
 
user4639281
Hopefully when anorton goes to bed smokey doesn't die.
 
user4639281
3:55 AM
@durron597 g'night bud, I'll be on earlier tomorrow now that I have my other laptop set up.
 
5:22 AM
Today, I removed my subscription to negative-lookahead and regex. It's an upsetting decision, but now the field is someone elses' problem now.
Speaking of which, we still don't have mods that comes from .
 
 
2 hours later…
7:40 AM
@SmokeDetector Why?
 
@Kyll Body - Position 2695-2699: porn
 
Ah. Yep.
 
morning
 
Plop @rene !
I'm wondering what should be done about
I edited the questions about a specific library to the existing but there is still 130 of it
 
done
@Kyll Tracker is about gps, oh no wait about torrents, oh no wait... about image recognition, oh no wait .... I give up, let's get rid of it...
 
7:56 AM
So I should head over to Meta for burnination?
 
Yeah, just in case there is something in there that we missed.
 
KUNG-FU TRACKER
 
8:17 AM
Any better pun than "Track down the [tracker]"?
 
crowdsourcing puns since 2015
 
@Kyll it will do...
 
Here goes:
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Q: Track down the [tracker]

Kylltracker has 130 questions and no wiki. It is used for questions about GPS tracking, web analytic, BitTorrent tracking, and more... Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? No, it is highly ambiguous. Is the concept described even on-topic fo...

 
@Kyll it'll be worth adding the more specific tags you've identified that could be applied instead - such as gps-tracker etc...
 
@JonClements Unfortunately I have only been able to identify one: which had 10 questions I already re-tagged...
and such do not exist
 
8:27 AM
Ahhh okies - then just adding something to that effect and that you've not seen anything else etc shows research etc...
 
@JonClements Done, thanks for the advice!
Are those of any use I have trouble justifying their existence specific ASCII characters seem really broad
There is more uses of grammar concepts.
, , (about formal grammar apparently),
 
Probably little need for a lot of 'em, but discuss it etc... see what the community reckons :)
 
8:45 AM
@Kyll I'll add till so we can form words across multiple questions....
 
is actually pretty bad!
 
Don't look at
 
heya @rene
 
9:00 AM
Hi Jon
 
9:28 AM
Ok, I wrote a post ruining code written by Jeff Atwood...
 
Sam
9:55 AM
@Unihedron :o
 
10:05 AM
Umm... don't think it's extremely important which tag(s) a mod comes from... doesn't really have any effect on what they do
 
@Sam yep
@JonClements it's an inside joke thing
Let's just pretend I never said that.
 
Let's not, grab some popcorn and wait....
 
Sam
10:24 AM
@JonClements Well, if they come from ...
 
Why was my VLQ flag declined? stackoverflow.com/a/31825151/4174897
Is it because it is NAA?
 
Because... It doesn't look VLQ
 
The question is in C#, this answer in Obj-C. I can't answer with JavaScript to a PHP question can I?
 
NAA
VLQ = asdfghjkl
 
Dangit.
 
10:53 AM
@Kyll do know that user posted the same answer that was deleted due to flags...
flagged as NAA again
 
so it's an encore?
 
Yep
 
Sam
@Kyll Shame I didn't come across that while I was reviewing the lqpq.
 
it should be there again...
 
Guys - that's neither VLQ/NAA
I'd expect your NAA flags to be declined
 
11:13 AM
@JonClements Let me guess, the moderator who likes declining random flags is on patrol today?
 
11:26 AM
@tripps41 : If that answers you question, you should consider accepting it. — rkosegi 37 mins ago
I'm out of flags. Someone flag it NC / obsolete for me please
Pretty please!
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A: Add something after an argument?

chengpohiIn Java8, you can use: String.join(",", args);

TWO PEOPLE upvoted that when the question uses the delimeter "+"
 
Sam
@Unihedron Boom.
 
Fantastic :)
 
Sam
I've still got 99 left if you need 'em. ;)
 
11:43 AM
Really?
(inb4 99 links to comments)
 
Sam
Yeah.
 
For starters, have ten:

http://stackoverflow.com/posts/comments/23632762
http://stackoverflow.com/posts/comments/23715345
http://stackoverflow.com/posts/comments/24299991
http://stackoverflow.com/posts/comments/24431800
http://stackoverflow.com/posts/comments/25052678
http://stackoverflow.com/posts/comments/25577906
http://stackoverflow.com/posts/comments/25772277
http://stackoverflow.com/posts/comments/25898816
http://stackoverflow.com/posts/comments/26072502
http://stackoverflow.com/posts/comments/26255704
Those are all what have you tried comments with an accepted answer with 1 upvote.
 
Sam
:o
 
good morning
 
Sam
Morning.
 
11:55 AM
Morning.
 
TZT
 
Sam
@Unihedron Done and done.
 
If you have excess time, go flag another 89 comments out of this.
 
Sam
Heh, I'll check it out later.
 
 
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1:24 PM
Morning everyone
 
morning
 
If a user posts a second answer to a question that should have been an edit to their first answer, is that a proper reason to flag for mod attention?
 
is the post recent and have you commented first?
 
morning
 
@gunr2171 I answered first and my answer was accepted.
I have not commented yet.
 
1:26 PM
hum, might do a mod flag afterwards, not sure though
 
I ran across that once and I edited the second answer into the first and then commented on the second answer what I have done. It was a review from the LQP so I just recommended deletion after that.
 
How much I love being a troll
 
Also, this answer should have been an edit to your first answer, as it's just a more thorough explanation of the same idea. I downvoted your first answer because it was insufficiently explained, not because it was wrong. — durron597 11 secs ago
 
The user is "rene", it says it right in the avatar box. — gunr2171 8 secs ago
it's going to be one of those days
 
I guess I'll mod flag if that doesn't result in anything.
 
1:33 PM
careful @rene. looks like you are a thief.
> They edit it to give it more attention in order to attempt to retrieve more reputation or simply 'spotlight' themselves for a short time. It's not an assumption. I don't bring evidence on thieves when I ask whether a thief should be reprimanded for stealing my towel whilst I shower.
 
@durron597 ?
 
he should also look the bathroom door while he showers if people are stealing his towel
 
@NathanOliver not looks it, I am... I steal all your rep at night...
 
Stealing one's towel is the worst crime
 
lol. So all those minuses are really @rene pluses. I see how this works now.
 
1:36 PM
Woah, this user has trust issues
Everybody keeps telling him he has no data to prove what he says
He says that everybody's against him
 
Well he is right. We are.
 
13 mins ago, by durron597
If a user posts a second answer to a question that should have been an edit to their first answer, is that a proper reason to flag for mod attention?
 
-12 in an hour says so :)
 
@NathanOliver Also closing it
 
1:38 PM
What I like is that the edit actually makes sense
"Report" and "flag" are not the same thing depending on the context
 
I'm voting to reopen this question because, while I completely disagree with the asker, it's a valid question to askdurron597 6 secs ago
 
@durron597 yes and no... link?
 
Also, this answer should have been an edit to your first answer, as it's just a more thorough explanation of the same idea. I downvoted your first answer because it was insufficiently explained, not because it was wrong. — durron597 9 mins ago
 
Well the question is gone now.
 
another meta answer of me gone for-ever ... what a waste of value...
 
1:42 PM
hi guys do you know how to enable guest account in windows 10?
 
@rene Here's the universe price of consolation then
 
@user3783598 wrong place to ask. try superuser.com
 
ok thanks but i want an instant answer
 
sure, but not here
 
And I'd like a coffee. Trade? Head over to SU for answers
 
1:44 PM
but you know how?
 
Also brb brewing coffee
 
@user3783598 StackExchange is not about giving answers. It's about building a knowledge base for people all around the world to share and enjoy and participate in
 
@user3783598 If you really, really insist on a chatroom: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/118/root-access
 
thanks
 
1:46 PM
@Kyll Thanks for the comment, but he did expand his answer... just in his other answer. lol
 
@durron597 The guy wanted an explanation for the downvotes, he got it
 
@Kyll True, good point.
 
And I'm the one getting insulted or redirected to Be Nice again that way
On that, I really want my coffee. flies off
 
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Q: What to do if someone posts a second answer that should have been an edit?

durron597Recently I answered a question, got an accept vote, pretty standard. Another person posted a one sentence answer with a link that wasn't very clearly explained, also standard. Then, this morning, the person came back and posted a second answer that was a much longer, better explained version of ...

 
2:02 PM
@JonClements So I saw you deleted the comments but didn't do anything else. Are you planning to do anything else?
 
@JonClements On the question from a few minutes ago about two answers
You deleted my comment but nothing else changed
 
I haven't done any mod action on posts in about an hour
not even sure what post you're referring to?
 
@JonClements Ohhh! I had the different post in a different window and it didn't refresh
F5 resolved my confusion
 
always blame Jon hey? :p
I may get some things wrong but at least I bother trying to engage with the community and help out in chat where I can :)
 
2:06 PM
key phrase: when I can
 
@Unihedron are you seriously not going to bother running for mod again next year (if they hold an election?)
 
What do you mean?
 
well - you ran for mod this year, right?
 
Oh, yeah.
They sent me an awesome tee shirt for it too. ^~^
 
I lost the mod election
Or with a different text?
 
2:10 PM
well, if it's any consolation, I only scraped 5th by 11 votes
 
I'll probably run this time around if I get to 20k between then and now
 
@JonClements you and boltlock got in because bulefeet left right?
 
@NathanOliver boltlock was already a mod, Matt and I got in
 
I think it was Matt
 
@NathanOliver Mocked names to prevent copyright issues?
 
2:11 PM
@NathanOliver Boltclock's been a mod forever... do you mean eMu-att?
 
yeah meant Matt. Still tiered.
 
@durron597 yeah... just don't forget you couldn't really do CV stuff anymore though :(
 
why is that?
 
see proves my point
 
2:12 PM
@NathanOliver You gotta have a much lighter touch with a diamond
I'm definitely not going to run if I don't have 20k rep and Marshal. Seems pointless, I won't win without them
 
Yeah, I have a serial down voter on my profile! finally managed to get someone really angry.
 
If a mod votes to close does it close the question immediately?
@rene that's because you stole his towel while he was in the shower
 
All the candidates who won had a candidate score of 40/40
 
I guess so...now I'm forced to edit them all
 
@NathanOliver All mods votes are binding votes, so yes
 
2:15 PM
@durron597 If they learn we're sending them stuff like that we're going to have issues
 
@Kyll If we do it once a quarter?
 
I guess I'll hold off for a few years before putting myself up for contention.
 
I still don't get why you asked the question, it's kind of odd.
Of course I'm running!
 
excellent!
 
@durron597 Maybe they're counting and preparing retaliation.
 
2:17 PM
The only reason I mention it is that as a mod you get unlimited close votes (all binding - so immediate closure) - so, anyone elected from the room would have to adjust their behaviour
 
We still don't have a mod from the Battlefront. rene refused to run for mod.
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@JonClements I've pretty much stopped reviewing. I just 10k snipe any that I have left at end of day
 
That's why I won't give up.
 
@durron597 get yourself to 20k, then you can vtd answers
 
In addition to helping the site and all that nonsense.
 
2:19 PM
(if appropriate of course)
 
@JonClements Working on it
 
anyway - just to make clear - I'm not a "personal mod" - but I'll help out where I can if it's for good
(so as long I'm welcome to hang out and all that)
 
(joke) you're not welcome, kick yourself
 
(acknowledgement) lol
 
(inquiry) are we going to do this?
 
Sam
2:24 PM
(default response) 4
 
Of course you can hang out here. even if you weren't your a ninja so you could get in anyways
 
@gunr2171 actually - be interesting to see if you can kick me :)
 
uh... I mean I can try, I just don't want to face any wrath :O
 
-3 is peer pressure right?
 
yes
for answers (scratch that)
 
2:26 PM
OK
 
Delete all the users, then I don't get flags to handle, right? :p
 
@Closey starting
 
@Mogsdad Good luck!
 
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Q: We should always be able to include explanation with moderator flags, even if they're not a custom situation

durron597I would like to have the ability to tell flag reviewers a little something in addition to the flag type. I know that different flag categories get treated differently, with VLQ going into the low quality queue, and so forth. I think there are many cases where users end up submitting custom flags...

 
@closey end session
 
2:34 PM
@Mogsdad I have forcefully ended your last session. To see more details use the command last session stats. In addition, the number of review items is most likely not set, use the command last session edit count <new count> to fix that.
 
@JonClements Yeah I get that, I wasn't asking you to look into that other question, but you asked :-p
 
 
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user4639281
3:50 PM
that probably should have been tpu
 
@TinyGiant Why did you register that as a false positive?
 
user4639281
Its not spam
 
It never saids it was. it flagged it for : All-caps title:
 
user4639281
Yes but that is the filter that caught it for spam
 
user4639281
Everything that smokey reports is from spam filters
 
user4639281
3:56 PM
So if it is spam then we mark it as tp/u and if not we mark as fp/u (I'm still not quite sure about when to use u or not)
 
Oh okay. I get it now
afk
 
@TinyGiant u is if there's belief that the user's future posts will match that post
 
user4639281
Yeah, I just don't understand why you wouldn't use it, as such I don't know when to use it.
 
@TinyGiant shrug. Ask Undo in tavern
 
user4639281
But most of what I have seen them do is tpu or fpu, but if you use fpu then if the user later posts spam I don't know how that would affect it.
 

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