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12:17 AM
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[open-source] [dns]"
 
 
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3:25 AM
I figure this is the place to ask. Is there a way to get to questions with 4 close votes in a tag? It seems to me that the best way to spend CVs is on those questions.
 
3:38 AM
@RubberDuck Not as far as I know
 
Lamesauce. Thanks @KevinBrown.
 
 
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11:40 AM
30 more items in (no filter)
it is strange, there are no items to review for me in , but at the same time I come across questions that have close votes and should be in the queue, but I never voted on.
I somehow doubt that somebody voted on the same question during the time (couple of minutes) I switched from /review to manual search.
I say that, because some of the questions I come across have multiple CVs.
Does anybody know what is going on here?
 
11:56 AM
I also checked that I *didn't review them before and clicked Leave Open absent minded.
 
 
2 hours later…
1:58 PM
Hey everyone! (SO Close Vote Chatbot started)
 
 
1 hour later…
3:17 PM
Hey everyone! (SO Close Vote Chatbot started)
 
internet gave out, that's cool
 
4:11 PM
@Closey show my audit stats
 
@ProgramFOX Stats of all tracked audits by tag:
 | Tag Name      | %    | Count |
 |------------------------------|
 | c++           | 50   | 4     |
 | c#            | 12.5 | 1     |
 | haskell       | 12.5 | 1     |
 | java          | 12.5 | 1     |
 | ruby-on-rails | 12.5 | 1     |
 
nice
@Closey starting
 
@ProgramFOX Don't get lost in the queue!
 
soon it will use all audits you have ever done, not just what you've told it
that's the current task
 
4:12 PM
cool!
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[dns]"
only 2 items
@gunr2171 It's three dashes to strike out ;)
 
yup, just saw that
forgot that, don't use it often
 
passed java audit
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[spring-mvc]"
On
 
4:30 PM
passed c++ audit
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[oop]"
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 7 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@ProgramFOX Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@ProgramFOX Your last completed review session ended 9 seconds ago and lasted 22 minutes and 1 second. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 33 seconds.
 
Hey, new to close-voting things, I'll participate in this room if/when I have downtime with work.
 
Sam
Hiya. Sure, np.
 
4:39 PM
awesome, we should be starting in around 2-3 hours (usually)
and congrats on 3k
@Closey add user 758446
 
@gunr2171 Ok, I added BlackVegetable (758446) to the tracked users list.
 
Oh cool, then I guess I can do some during a lunch break.
 
@Closey refresh tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. This could take a bit.
@gunr2171 Tag data has been refreshed.
 
Sam
@BlackVegetable Yeah, whenever you want.
Although we usually try to save some CVs for the event.
 
4:42 PM
no main event today though, so we start when we all happen to be in the chatroom
 
Sam
Oh, right.
 
...and TGM changed his image again
 
Hey the wiki page has a typo listing "morals" instead of "morale" which has no independent plural form. Just FYI.
I meant github page.
 
Sam
Thx, fixing now...
 
@Sam already got it
 
Sam
4:47 PM
Noooo
 
:P
wait, did i set you up with permissions?
 
Sam
Nope.
 
fixing...
and now you do
 
Sam
thanks
 
@BlackVegetable if you find any more (or want to add more info) feel free to make a pull request or tell us here in chat
 
Sam
4:49 PM
Oh, you've rearranged the ogr.
That explains it.
 
Alright, will do.
 
yup, more teams
 
@gunr2171 I don't see any change to the teams -- are you sure you gave Sam access?
 
Sam has access to the RoomInfoTeam
 
Sam
Wrong link.
 
4:50 PM
@Sam I cannot even see that team.
 
Sam
Huh, that's weird.
 
I also cannot see the RoomInfoTeam
 
ok, so you can all see this?
 
nope
 
...uh....
 
4:51 PM
I can.
 
^ That's what I see when I visit the team pages.
 
Sam
I can't see the Userscripts team
 
I guess you can only see the teams you're in, and the Owners team.
 
maybe it's because of people "private" levels?
rene and Uni are set to private
 
BTW, Userscripts team is misspelled as "UsescriptsTeam"
 
4:53 PM
.fffffffffffffff
 
@gunr2171 No, being "private" only means that other people cannot see you're a member of the org (unless they're a member themselves).
 
ok, fixed the name, not sure what's going on
 
2 mins ago, by ProgramFOX
I guess you can only see the teams you're in, and the Owners team.
probably that
 
that's strange, but ok
 
or there's some setting that makes a team private
 
4:55 PM
looking, but not found yet
this is the only settings i have for a team:
 
Sam
Aww. I don't have access to the audit log :/
 
no, only owners have
 
I can screenshot it here
oh, sam, were you the one who came up with the logo for the organization?
 
Sam
Yeah.
 
5:01 PM
Would you want to make one for Closey?
 
Sam
:D
Sure!
 
Sam
thx
So, do you have anything in mind for the logo? @Gunr
 
I was thinking a large "C", or something else that says it's a bot and/or meant for "closing activities"
 
Sam
Sure.
 
5:05 PM
and if you choose comic sans I'll boot you from the room
: )
 
Sam
lol
ok, ok.
 
@gunr2171 boo, why did you edit the message? "I'll bot you" sounds funnier in this context :P
 
Jan 15 at 18:51, by gunr2171
I should add a "be annoying to" command to the bot, which will repeat everything that person says as well as say "your mom" jokes
 
Sam
Final Q, do you have any ideas for colour theme?
 
dark
 
Sam
5:07 PM
k
 
black / orange
 
Sam
k
 
"colour" oh yeah, you're in the UK
 
Sam
:P
 
Sam
5:33 PM
@Gunr Any preference for the font?
 
not really
maybe something "clean" and/or "sharp" though
 
Sam
Sure thing.
And would you prefer for the "C" to be black and the background orange, or vice versa, or just whatever?
 
orange on black
 
Sam
k
Gah, I've gotta reinstall gimp.
 
Sam
6:07 PM
Oh, and btw. @Gunr
 
oh, chat room for github
cool
 
Sam
Yeah, @Uni showed me the site this morning.
 
6:21 PM
Hmm just failed an audit because I thought something was opinion-based. Embarrasing. I'd better re-read the good-subjective bad-subjective post again...
 
link?
 
11
Q: How to extend `==` behavior to vectors that include NAs?

Anthony DamicoI've completely failed at searching for other r-help or Stack Overflow discussion of this specific issue. Sorry if it's somewhere obvious. I believe that I'm just looking for the easiest way to get R's == sign to never return NAs. # Example # # Say I have two vectors a <- c( 1 , 2 , 3 ) b <- c(...

 
oh, and tip for you @BlackVegetable, for now only filter on "unclear what you are asking", makes your life easier to start with
 
Aha. Off-topic was pretty simple, so I was mostly sticking to those.
I've skipped about 70% of the posts thus far.
 
that's the problem, you skip a lot of posts when you have no idea what the tech is with OT filtering
until you see the patterns, but even still you skip a lot
 
6:24 PM
True. But the looking for tools posts are pretty easy.
 
"unclear" asks the simple question: is there a question being asked
 
Yeah.
 
oh yeah, the "looking for" are also easy, but you can't filter on a specific OT reason
 
Was the question I posted an obvious, "good subjective" question?
 
if anything, I would be inclined to agree with POB or too broad, but I won't vote because I know nothing about R
If that last sentence could be edited then there would be no question about closure
(one too many keyboard strokes there)
 
6:27 PM
I'm sorry, POB?
 
primarily opinion based.
we hate typing it out
 
Gotcha. I'm unable to find the meta post on good-subjective vs. bad-subjective.
 
so I'm guessing the main problem is this:
> Is there a more intuitive solution to this?
 
Robert Cartaino on September 29, 2010

Stack Exchange is about questions with objective, factual answers. We’ve been crystal clear about this for as long as I can remember, even back to the earliest, pre-beta days of Stack Overflow. It’s right there in the standard Stack Exchange FAQ:

What kind of questions should I not ask here?

Avoid asking questions that are subjective, argumentative, or require extended discussion. This is not a discussion board, this is a place for questions that can be answered!

Thus, questions that are not answerable — discussions, debates, opinions — should be closed as subjective. It seems simple enough: Fact good; opinion and discussion bad. But why? …

 
directly, that is too broad
 
6:29 PM
Right. It isn't that I didn't read the post; I was weakly voting for closing but perhaps I should err more on the side of skipping even than I have been.
Thank you for the link.
 
So first of all, don't get discouraged. It took me a whole day to get through the first 40 reviews my first time. And I really suggest starting with tags that you are familiar with. Take all your experience in flagging and put it to good use. Then expand out to different tags.
 
Quick question: Should we respect a history of upvotes for a question when deciding on closure? Or should we be only looking at question content (which may have caused those upvotes)?
 
Votes matter very little.
 
Very little == 0?
Also, why was I given 50 close votes? I thought I was supposed to get 40/day?
 
In theory, the voting of a post should not influence the closure of a post, same with the number of answers it has. But really, it does to an extent. The higher the score the more doubt you should have.
you have 50 close votes per day, but only 40 close review items per day
 
6:33 PM
Oh, I see.
I used a bunch on that "clean-up effort going on"
As many of those were low-hanging fruit.
 
good, that should help
@Closey completed tags
 
@gunr2171 Showing the latest 10 tags that have been cleared by at least 3 people. To give a different threshold number, use the command completed tags [min <#>].
 | Tag Name         | Count | Latest Time Cleared     |
 |----------------------------------------------------|
 | dns              | 5     | 2015-02-06 16:13:11 UTC |
 | open-source      | 14    | 2015-02-05 21:47:31 UTC |
 | date             | 3     | 2015-02-04 17:19:51 UTC |
 | django           | 4     | 2015-02-04 17:10:57 UTC |
 | web-applications | 5     | 2015-02-02 18:50:20 UTC |
 | canvas           | 5     | 2015-02-02 18:49:27 UTC |
 | hibernate        | 4     | 2015-02-02 18:46:05 UTC |
 
@LynnCrumbling @rene it seems that dns has been processed.
 
The re-open queue scares me. As in, I don't think I'm ready for that.
 
same
 
6:38 PM
Seems like maybe that should be given after some more reputation is earned (or so many review items completed?)
 
well, you get the power to close and reopen at 3k, so it makes sense to give you the queues then.
 
Right, I meant the reopen power being delayed.
 
oh. no, I think they need to go hand-in-hand. If you have the power to close a question, you should also be ready to open it back if need be
this is different than the delta between upvote and downvote though. You need more to DV because you need to learn what is bad. At 3k you should know what is close material and what is not
 
That sounds logical as well. I didn't feel strongly about it. Maybe I just meant they should delay giving it to me. :)
 
true. it takes a while to get use to the new mind-set
 
Sam
7:06 PM
@Gunr still having probs with submodules for the bot?
 
I still have no idea how submodules work
even consulted with my friend who is a linux guy and more knowledgeable of git, still don't know
 
Sam
So what do you know?
 
the main problem is it doesn't work like svn's externals, which is really what I want
I know how to make the submodule, but I only want to get a specific folder
which I don't think is possible
 
Sam
Ah.
Yeah, I have no clue how to do that.
 
well submodules won't let you do that, and sub-trees might but are very confusing
 
Sam
7:11 PM
Which project's dir do you need?
 
TheCommonLibrary (not done yet in my github version) and your SOCVR.Net
and I need them as they are now, which in your repo is a few folders deep
 
Sam
Hmm.
 
brb
 
Sam
k
Why does it matter how many levels deep the projects are?
 
I believe nuget packages will get messed up, but I'm not actually sure
now that I switched over so that no packages are stored in the repo this could be a non-issue
 
Sam
7:18 PM
Well I've just added CE.Net as a module to Pham, as is.
And that's worked fine.
 
hum, ok. if you want to branch the chatbot and add the submodule I'll take a look at it.
 
Sam
Sure, I had to re-install a couple of packages, but that was it.
@gunr2171 Roger that.
 
oh, and please remove the binaries from the library, it' messes up the submodules.
 
Sam
Sure.
 
thanks
 
Sam
7:20 PM
I'm just gonna have dinner then I'll be back.
 
have fun!
 
Sam
thx
 
7:45 PM
And I'm here!
@Closey alive?
 
@rene Still here you guys!
 
@starting
 
I'll start in a second as well
 
Oh, Ok
Is @TGMCians already here?
 
@Closey starting
 
7:46 PM
@gunr2171 May the Vote be with you!
 
@rene \o
 
o/
 
@Closey starting
 
@TGMCians May the Vote be with you!
 
@Closey next 10 tags
 
7:47 PM
Refreshing the tag listing. This could take a bit.
 
I'm on .htaccess
 
@rene The next 10 tags are: 195, 194, 191, 190, 188, 187, 186, 186, 184, 183
 
I already did my reviews.
 
passed js audit
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [select]"
passed java audit
passed php audit
oh wow, the daily leaderboard is not all "40"s
this makes me really sad
 
8:00 PM
@Closey stats
 
13,008 need review
1,607 reviews today
2,385,041 reviews all-time
 
that's really low
 
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 3 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@TGMCians Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@gunr2171 yeah... might be due to the triage close voters
 
8:01 PM
maybe
 
thanks :), going to bed now, night
 
bye!
 
night
 
Night!
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [spring-mvc] [oop] [select]"
 
8:06 PM
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 3 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@gunr2171 Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@gunr2171 Your last completed review session ended 10 seconds ago and lasted 19 minutes and 44 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 29 seconds.
 
passed php audit
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 3 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@rene I don't seem to have the start of your review session on record. I might have not been running when you started, or some error happened.
 
8:11 PM
@Closey last session stats
 
@rene Your last completed review session ended 1 day, 41 minutes and 3 seconds ago and lasted 16 minutes and 49 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 25 seconds.
 
24 mins ago, by rene
@starting
 
Hmmm
 
fake ALL THE NUMBERS
 
I must be tired ...
 
8:12 PM
same, and it's friday. I want to go home
only 2 more hours
 
I'm home already ... sorry about that ;)
 
well you are also like 7 times zones away
(I'm -4 and you are probably +1 or something)
 
Yes that is it
 
voted both
 
same here
 
8:15 PM
thanks, second needs one more
 
first one is poof. Let's hope Hacker News doesn't run into that one as well..
 
did they link one recently?
 
possibly this is what you mean rene?
Jan 16 at 21:59, by davidism
This question was just linked to from HN: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5168718/what-blocks-ruby-python-to-get-javas‌​cript-v8-speed
 
yeah
 
ah, I remember getting that closed the first time I saw it, at which point a bunch of others piled on and opened it again
You have a better memory of what I said than I do. :)
 
8:20 PM
@davidism it was brought up yesterday on meta
 
@gunr2171 and @TGMCians you have a complaint on meta about your vote.
 
> Your question has nothing to do with code/programming as far as I can see (and I did read it all, and your answer). As you noted, no user code could fix your problem, nor did you provide any code (for obvious reasons).
 
@gunr2171 animuson again ;)
 
fully agree with that
 
8:23 PM
yeah, my idea as well but I always reconsider in case i missed something
 
yeah, when I reviewed it 2 comments stuck out
What, exactly, makes you think this is a programming question? — Scott Hunter Dec 26 '14 at 21:29
@ScottHunter I admit that no user code will answer my question, only that an understanding of the operation of existing library code will. I can't see people on any other stack site having the required knowledge to answer this question. — Peter M Dec 26 '14 at 21:39
that, along with the answer proved that it's about using the software, not programming it
so I agree with BradleyDotNET's answer
 
OK
 
found the meta post you were referring to, wow, the responses in that HN thread really bother me
 
link please?
 
18
Q: Re-opened after appearance on Hacker News

vaultahI have incidentally come across this thread, where people have actively disapproved of closing this question: Put on hold as too broad by rene, davidism, vaultah, Sam, iCodez 2 hours ago ... Meta: It's interesting that 5 users thought that it would benefit the SO community to pu...

I think what bothers me most is that I can't respond to all the people in that thread calling out what I did as "elitist" and "eager to be bureaucratic". — davidism 2 mins ago
 
8:33 PM
@davidism thanks, reading now
 
@davidism Hacker News is not the meta meta... if they want to discuss SO let them do so on meta. If they decide to ramble along on the internet, fine but don't complain that HackerNews point of view is left of out the equation...
I hope you weren't swearing?
 
No, just misinterpreted what you were saying
 
Oh...it was to support you... you got that?
 
yeah :)
 
:)
 
8:45 PM
speaking of people not liking close votes: stackoverflow.com/questions/28373291/…
 
voted
 
done
 
9:38 PM
I just posted a Q&A on how to install python and git and it immediately got hit with downvotes and the typical SO condescension "this is a programming question how?" I deleted it of course before it could get downvoted more or closed but I really don't understand why programming relevant questions like that get closed so often? stackoverflow.com/questions/28374913/…
 
I'm not 10k, could you post a screenshot?
 
@Okuma.Tony Those types of questions tend to become very outdated, and doesn't Python.org provide installation instructions?
 
Python.org provides general instructions but they don't address all the errors you get.
 
Sounds off topic to me
 
9:44 PM
huh, thought I was in the python room for a second :)
@Okuma.Tony the answer you've posted is also very bad advice, as you've now overwritten system libraries with custom compiled ones.
 
@Okuma.Tony It's better to post answers to specific errors you got, and how they can be fixed, than to provide a general "here is how to fix all of the errors in the world" question
 
If you really want to go down that route, at least use make altinstall (although I don't think that avoids all the problems)
 
All good points. Thank you
 
@Okuma.Tony The question you created has the unfortunate issue of not saying what went wrong, but instead serving as a catch-all option that can cause additional issues
 
If you have any other questions about the closure of a post feel free to bring them here or on meta.
 
9:48 PM
@Okuma.Tony and if you want to make a canonical post I have a to-do list here
 
And a tip for posting on meta, you may want to avoid the phrase "typical SO condescension".
 
^ Basically anything that encourages the meta downvote effect is a good thing to avoid
 
But we are typical!
 
Moved and made into question: superuser.com/questions/874700/…
 
@rene what a typical response ;)
 
9:53 PM
looks good to me
 
@Okuma.Tony Isn't the answer wrapped in the question there?
Or is it the way you use, where you get errors?
 
My original answer which the question is now about is wrapped there and the question says that "answer" is wrong.
 
ah, I see
 
Thanks for the help! Later
 
I'd suggest including the error message you get, so people can see what exactly goes wrong.
See you!
 
9:56 PM
@Closey stop bot
 
@gunr2171 I'm shutting down...
Goodbye!
 
I'm out, see all y'all
 
cya
 
cya
 
 
2 hours later…
Sam
11:29 PM
@Gunr PR #35 ready for review.
And with that done, good night!
Oh, and here's something for you to consider using for the project. ;)
 

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