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6:23 PM
@Braiam OK, it sounded like you were suggesting I was making an argument to the contrary (which I wasn't)
 
What to do abotu plagiarised tag wikis?
 
I believe there's a custom reason to reject it, like the one Makyen used
 
Unfortunately, Makyen wasn't a mod yet back then
@Dharman You might post that in Sam's bad reviews room, or not?
 
I don't know
I should probably flag it.
 
Barely anyone is active in that room
 
6:27 PM
Can a mod undo it?
 
I certainly would have rejected that edit.
 
I think mods and post owners can reverse edit approvals (at least for posts, not sure for tag wikis)
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated Looks like the gold badger who closed it had a change of mind about whether it is a duplicate. You'd have to ask them, really. Or at least someone familiar with C++ who might be able to tell more.
 
Dharman, if you had 20k you could just write a better one?
 
@Dharman if it's a review, reject for the 'copied content'. If you think it's bad enough or becoming a pattern, mod flag a post and link to the review and indicate your concerns
If it's already been approved, suggest a better one and indicate in the edit summary part of the reason you're submitting it is to rectify plagiarized/copied content.
uh, is the 'rollback' option missing for anyone else in post revision history pages?
 
6:36 PM
yeah
 
same for me as well
new feature or bug?
 
yes
 
@Makyen - thank you, thank you, thank you =} ... life w/o this was rather cumbersome ;)
 
They are currently changing it to "Rollback"
 
@JeanneDark hue hue
 
me: I guess the LCD goes next?
Also me: oh. That's a poster.
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated >giphy
why does that website take a minute to load?
 
@TylerH @JeanneDark OP has updated this to ask a question now -- if you feel it is still close-worthy for another reason, you may re-post the request with that reason.
@oguzismail because it's unoptimized and by nature its content is heavy, probably
 
simple, it's not imgur
 
6:47 PM
@TylerH lousy webdevs
 
No, that's fine with me
:51353527 That was a reply to TylerH's message about my cv-pls request
 
yeah I figured
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated That's a stock plagiarism reject reason available when reviewing tag wiki/except edits.
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated Unfortunately, not for tag wiki/excerpt edits, at least at the moment. However, the "rollback" button is missing from posts too, so it not being there is probably a general error. Given that it's in a post-menu, the recent changes to post menus probably mucked it up.
I've manually removed the plagiarized content from the tag wiki.
 
@Makyen I have a meta bug report already on it
 
@TylerH Great. Thanks for mentioning that the hard part was already done. :)
 
7:20 PM
Hmm, seems like the rollback issue is due to them trying to get really fancy with when to show it or not
 
7:39 PM
Huzzah, a root cause was identified and a fix is on the way
 
@TylerH Like ... when there's something to roll back, and when the viewer has the necessary privileges to do that. Or is there something more subtle?
 
@AdrianMole According to meta, they removed the rollback link from the most recent revision
 
@AdrianMole like, in addition to not showing the 'rollback' option for the current revision, also don't show it on previous revisions if the current revision was a rollback from that revision
But it seems like it's hiding for way more scenarios than it should be
 
Meh. Complicated. KISS.
 
Yeah, I'd do something like :first-child or whatever and hide it there
no need to hide it for stuff that was rolled back from. I mean it could get annoying seeing "rollback from revision 2" over and over again but is it really that common? That kind of behavior is abuse so I would expect users doing it to be warned and summarily suspended
especially since it's behind the 2k privilege
 
8:07 PM
@cigien Were you around here for the "Documentation Debacle" of 2017? These posts look and feel exactly like an attempt to back-door Stack Overflow Documentation. Is that back in the plans?
 
8:18 PM
@JimGarrison what do you mean backdoor? Provide surreptitious access to?
 
@Makyen having a tiny lol at the capitalized Cv-pls
 
@Ruzihm Yeah, I'm not happy with it, but it fits the style SE is using for those buttons. :;
 
@TylerH No, "back door" has a broader meaning than "provide access to". In this context it means to resurrect Documentation surrepititiously by posting "questions" that mimic SO Documentation entries.
 
@JimGarrison Not sure I've ever heard the term used to mean something like that.
 
8:52 PM
@TylerH "Back door" as a metaphor has been around a lot longer than computers.
 
One gets a bit tired when a 92k user is posting a question without the error message...
 
@JimGarrison Sure, and as I said I've never heard the term used the way you describe
 
@klutt Error #92000 ?
 
@AdrianMole hehe
 
9:15 PM
I need an RO to nuke my last request since I ended up getting sucked into putting an answer which would cause conflict with the SOCVR rules
 
ty
 
9:54 PM
@user692942 The answer was deleted due to plagiarism. So that users don't retain reputation from plagiarized posts, the typical process for plagiarized posts with high scores is that the post is dissociated from the user and deleted. If it wasn't dissociated, then the user would retain any reputation from the post if it had a score >=3 and had been visible on the site for >60 days.
A comment is usually left indicating that the post is plagiarized, but that can sometimes end up being skipped.
 
10:21 PM
@JimGarrison No, that event began and ended considerably before I was active on SO. Upon reading some of that history, it appears to me that posts of the sort we're discussing are considerably narrower in scope, though I do see your point about them having the feel of Documentation. I can't really speak for whether those posts are an attempt to "back-door" Documentation, as you put it. I am certainly unaware of any concrete plans to do so.
As I mentioned, I feel those posts are useful to other programmers, as they are to me, and I thought it was always intended for SO to have those kinds of narrowly scoped Q&As as part of its repository.
 
10:40 PM
@mickmackusa I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the "single source of truth". If you're referring to the official documentation of a language, or a product, then I see your point that only repeating the contents of those texts verbatim might not be very useful. But most documentation is not in Q&A format, and it can often be quite useful to have it presented that way.
I don't know anything about the Joomla manual, but perhaps the C++ standard is a reasonable analogy. SO will obviously never replace that text as the authority on the topic, but there are many instances where the same content presented in SO's format is more understandable (palatable?) than reading the original source.
I guess posts have to be judged individually, to see whether they actually add anything of value. I just don't think that repeating parts of external official sources is necessarily a bad thing.
 
10:51 PM
The C++ Standard is also not a public document. It's very expensive.
 
True, but I've never actually read the Standard. I should have said Working Draft.
 
@AdrianMole Wow, really? That sounds like a great idea.
 
There are numerous draft standards online (as PDFs) - which is what I generally quote. There's a post on SO about it. I'll have a dig around.
 
$223 USD (163 GBP, 182 EUR)?! No thanks!
 
I think only governments, academic institutions, and big companies actually use the Standard. Pretty much every one refers to the draft versions. I always quote the working draft myself in answers.
 
11:14 PM
^ Is that reverse-psychology spam? Yeah - email invitation.
 
11:37 PM
@cigien I guess those who write compilers need the relevant Standard(s).
 
@AdrianMole The compiler teams tend to have folks on the committee. They can probably use the drafts fine, and know what might be different.
 
@BaummitAugen Isn't that cheating? :-)
 
Though, with the public votes and all, the step from the latest draft to the standard is merely editorial. (That the right word? Fixing formatting, spelling and such.)
 
... and, clearly, the Turbo-C++ team didn't follow that rule.
 
Yeah well, Turbo C++ 3 was released before the first standard, they didn't really have a chance.
 
11:45 PM
Hmm.
 
@BaummitAugen Hi Tree, Do you mind me asking if you are still active as a mod? I believe that after the crisis in 2019/2020 you have stopped most moderation activities but recently I have seen your name in few places. We need experienced mods like yourself.
 
Moderating those who make unsolicited pings to moderators in chatrooms ... maybe?
 
Can trees even hear pings?
 
Only if nobody is in the woods.
 
@Dharman These days, I'm active on the queue.
But yeah, I was away for several months, almost half a year. Almost deleted my account actually. vOv
 
11:58 PM
@IanCampbell You're thinking of Baum mit Ohren
 
Welcome back
 
Thanks. :)
 
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