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12:00 AM
@AdrianMole That's Baum mit schrecklichem Blitz to you buddy
Or however else a tree smites you.
 
The tree tends to be careful with lightning...
 
No worries. The Ents and the Elves are friends.
 
Any idea when did these buttons got title case?
"Share Edit Follow Close Flag"
 
Day before yesterday UTC? (Now that it's 0:05)
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman here
 
12:10 AM
@AdrianMole Thanks.
 
NP - It's been quite a hot topic of discussion.
 
Not the least because it broke many an important userscript.
 
2:02 AM
looks ok to me
 
I notice that when I press mf4 (or just click "flag -> duplicate") to flag a question as duplicate, the text box is no longer autofocused.
But the code to focus that text box is still there (in the minified code).
Can you reproduce it?
 
Probably now it has a prefix/suffix in the class name
 
I can't find any existing meta question discussing that. For
No, the selector still works and select the correct item.
function s() {
    var e = $(".close-as-duplicate-pane")
      , t = e.find(".js-duplicate-search-field");
    e.on("show", function() {
        t.focus(),
        $("#close-question-form .js-popup-submit").enable($("#original-question-id").val())
    }).addClass("handles-submit-button-enabling"),
(from the Chrome-inspector-prettified minified code)
Well, anyway if others can reproduce it too I'm going to report the bug...
 
Yeah, same thing in Firefox
 
2:25 AM
It doesn't work on other sites too.
... Is it really off-topic?
 
BTW, there is a quick fix for the CV Request Generator - You need to change var postMenuContainer = $('#question .post-menu .post-menu-container'); with var postMenuContainer = $('#question .js-post-menu > .grid'); AND also CVRGUI.wrp = $('<span class="cvrgui" />'); to CVRGUI.wrp = $('<span class="cvrgui grid--cell" />');
 
 
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5:03 AM
@Nick That doesn't matter. Most content on SO can be trivially found on other places.
@JeanneDark It is, indeed. It clearly advocates in favor of correcting minor mistakes in answers, keeping them up to date, making them better resources, etc., as long as you're in keeping with the author's intent. Considering that authors almost never intend to write the wrong solution (unless explicitly calling it out as such), I think edits that turn incorrect solutions into correct solutions are stellar edits that should be made more often.
The last thing the world needs is more answers being posted, cluttering up the page.
Those who still operate with editing training wheels need to be more cautious, of course, but we don't give full editing privileges to subject-matter experts so they can have their hands tied behind their backs...
cc @oguzismail ^^
In this case, it does seem that both & and ; are valid solutions, but do different things. Thus, I wouldn't change the answer, just expand it. But there's no need for a comment when you can edit.
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated Explained in this comment. The dupe-voter reconsidered after a discussion with the asker. Seems legit to me. They've provided an answer that is specific to the actual issue presented in the question.
(The original form of the question lacked a lot of details/clarity/MCVE, which was added later. I would not have reopened earlier versions, but the present version looks fine to me.)
@Dharman That case has been handled now, but in case you didn't receive an answer, yes, plagiarized tag wikis need to be flagged or somehow fixed. You can flag to bring it to a moderator's attention so that we can remove the plagiarized content, or you can edit it yourself to do so (if you have editing privileges for tag wikis).
Even if you have tag wiki editing privileges and can fix it yourself, it'd be nice to flag for moderator attention if the approval was recent, so we can reach out to the editors. (In the case you cited, it's not necessary to flag for that reason. We can't very well suspend anyone from reviewing for a review made nearly a year ago.)
 
5:20 AM
@AlonEitan From that, I take it that you're using the release version of the Request Generator, rather than the alpha version.
 
@Makyen I missed that. Thanks, the new version looks great
 
@Makyen I have probably missed pertinent discussion around this topic, but what's the status and possible timeline for those who are not on alpha/beta?
 
@tripleee Let me see if I can get it done in the next bit.
Is the reason that you're not using the alpha version because you're using Greasemonkey?
 
@Makyen nah, just inertia
 
@JimGarrison I find this to be an odd perspective. One of the big reasons why I thought Stack Overflow Documentation was a failure (a solution in search of a problem) was that our Q&A model already included its best features, with exactly this type of a self-answered canonical question.
 
5:25 AM
@tripleee Ahh... OK. I was trying to gauge how many people still need the Greasemonkey compatible version.
 
@CodyGray Exactly, I don't get why everybody opposed to it, I do that all the time
 
Yeah, I was puzzled by the reaction here as well.
I guess it's just because they thought you were changing the meaning. So that's why I say I like the idea of including both approaches (ampersand and semicolon) and explaining the differences. Even if you indicate which is preferable and why.
 
@Makyen I have switched browsers too many times and basically usually just hunted down the links for the user scripts again each time (and probably got obsolete or alternative versions of some) so unless I have separately installed the alpha or beta of something for some reason, I probably am on prod, but I have no good way to tell
 
@CodyGray I made a lazy edit now, is it clear or should I add more details?
 
@oguzismail I mean, I'm certainly happy with that. You'd have to ask your harsher critics, I guess.
 
5:34 AM
Meh, I'm happy too. Thanks
 
@tripleee Well, to find out, you could click on the install link in the message pinned in the starboard, which will open up a tab and show you a diff. If there are a substantial amount of changes, then you know you're on the release version, rather than the alpha version. :; The current release version is ver. 1.6.11, whereas the alpha is 1.10.1.0.
 
5:50 AM
@Makyen yeh, thanks, doable for one extension but I have 30+ and realize I should probably have some system of keeping track of them outside of what Tampermonkey gives me out of the box
hmmm, not quite that many actually
 
Argh! .js-post-menu { text-transform: lowercase !important; } isn't sufficient to correct the damage to the post menu's capitalization. Apparently, some of those labels (but not all!) are hard-coded or otherwise forced to always be capitalized.
 
besides all the breakage, the capitalization strikes me as really really ugly
 
@CodyGray The userscript here should solve the problem.
 
@tripleee It's especially irritating that the Stacks styles specify sentence case. That results in things like "Mod dashboard" and "Edit profile and settings", which are worse than if every word in the phrase was capitalized.
But, yes, the lowercase was much less intrusive and overall better for quick-links like that.
@Makyen I was trying to avoid another userscript...
 
@CodyGray It only makes a minimal CSS change, so you could just take the styles.
 
5:54 AM
Yeah
Meh
It seems Sam's been inactive since these changes were rolled out, so I just submitted the simplest possible PR to fix his inline mod quicklinks script.
 
@CodyGray Yeah, I saw the notification of the PR, but I haven't taken a look at it yet.
 
Lovely. And now Ollie's script results in an ugly flash and visible, disorienting DOM change...
@Makyen I finally just had to break down and fix it. It look less time than having to manually suspend-destroy 2 spammers. :-)
I don't know if there are other side-effects yet. Not enough testing. :-)
 
@CodyGray Yeah, I was kind-of expecting you to complain about that. I'll add the // @run-at document-start which should fix that.
 
That's all it takes?
Hmm. It seems to be more consistent across refreshes now, but still requires it to be "cached" or something on the first load.
Anyway, better.
 
@CodyGray In this case, it should improve it. It should do reasonably well in this case, but that's going to depend on the userscript manager. The userscript is minimal and was written with the expectation of being able to run at that time. In other words, the issues surrounding running at document-start had already been considered and accounted for. I just forgot to add the // @run-at document-start when I'd previously edited that userscript.
 
6:03 AM
@Makyen Ugghhh... Even reducing the text size to 95% isn't enough to make the "flag" link stop wrapping to a new line when I click it and the loading dots appear.
 
@CodyGray Well, you could always reduce the size of the text there and/or reduce the separation between the buttons.
 
I have to reduce it down to 90% in order to get it to stop wrapping when I click one of the links (assuming that there's an editor badge displayed in the center, as there usually is).
There's already almost no separation between the links.
 
@Yatin tp
 
:p
 
@CodyGray Increase the width of the window? Reduce the number of buttons? Force the grid to use two lines, so it's always on two lines?
 
6:09 AM
Yeah, I should get rid of the useless "follow" button, which I've only ever clicked accidentally.
And has an ugly non-tooltip that the script I'm using to fix those isn't catching, for some reason.
Once again, I want a backtracking parent selector in CSS.
 
6:22 AM
Oh, lovely! Some of these are <button>s, while others are <a>s.
Yet, "consistency" was the argument for why we have to suffer from Horrible Capitalization.
 
@CodyGray That part is actually not that bad. They are using <a> for the things that are also links and <button> elements for the ones which don't have the option of linking out to another page (even if most of them have an in-page operation). It's a reasonable way to organize them and actually uses the elements sort-of as intended.
 
You don't understand: It is disrupting my ability to hack around other poor design decisions!
 
@CodyGray :) What is it that you are trying to do?
 
I hid "follow" using .js-follow-post, but then I had a bunch of extra whitespace created by .grid--cell. So I decided to remove the margin from .grid--cell when it comes under .js-post-menu and add it to the individual elements.
That's mostly working. Except for the async "..." loader, which now gets displayed on a new line, rather than inline.
And is infuriating to debug, because it's only transiently in the DOM.
 
@Makyen Yeah, there's a grin there, but because I've already done lots railing at the moon about the very frustrating decisions that SE has made with their page design (not that I'm not going to do some more railing in the future).
 
6:32 AM
I'm doing my best to fill in the gaps while you're taking a break.
 
:)
 
Design-as-after-thought is maybe not a viable approach
 
@CodyGray When you click which button?
 
@Makyen Close or flag
OK. Finally managed to pause the dang JavaScript debugger in the Chrome inspector when the loader appeared by pressing F8. Now I can fiddle with styles on it.
Yet I still don't know why this <img> is insisting on inserting a line break.
Oh, because I made the other element a block.
Sigh, CSS. You are terrible.
Done (until it breaks)
 
@cody your github account has an invite to join the Charcoal org, once you accept that we can proceed to merge github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/5645
 
6:46 AM
@tripleee Oh, cool. I wonder if GitHub notifies me about these things in some place.
 
@CodyGray there should be an email and I guess some sort of inbox-like thing
 
I'm about 2 months behind on my personal email.
Hmm. I'm notified of the mention, but I don't see where I'm supposed to accept.
 
lets ask @cigien, they did that yesterday
 
Oh I remember it was a weird process...
 
OK, that makes me feel better. I thought I was just dumb.
 
6:49 AM
stackoverflow.com/questions/40925964/… might be severely out of date but of course there is a Stack Overflow question about this
 
Is there an option to accept on github.com/Charcoal-SE ?
 
@RyanM Ah, yes. Thanks!
 
Honestly, I don't remember, which meant it was obvious to me what button to click. I think it was blue, and said Charcoal-SE.
 
I guess the hint in the SO answer that you have to be logged in or you will get a 404 is the crucial information here, if that's indeed still current
 
6:53 AM
Yes, that seems like a good hint, but wasn't my issue. I was definitely logged in.
The trick is that you need to visit the home page for the project, then there's a banner at the top. I think it was yellow for me, not blue.
 
Yup, that's what I got "Note: If you get a 404 page, make sure you’re signed in as cigien. You can also accept the invitation by visiting the organization page directly at github.com/Charcoal-SE.". I'm pretty sure I did it all from my account though, I didn't have to go to Charcoal-SE.
 
You mean from your email? Not your GitHub account?
 
No, github account.
 
Definitely did not exist for me
The inbox only linked to the PR, not to anywhere where I could approve anything.
Oh, thanks SmokeDetector for reminding me of the other thing that's broken: my inability to figure out how to authorize FIRE on a site where I have mod privileges.
 
Huh, I just tried it from the email I got, and it's taking me to Charcoal-SE. So maybe that's what it did last time, and I clicked the button there. Also, it may have been a green button. Sorry, if it was remotely non-obvious what to do, I would remember what I did.
 
6:58 AM
Yeah, that's almost certainly what you did. I just didn't go through my email. I tried to go through GitHub.
My email is like Pandora's Box.
I try not to open it.
 
Ah, I see. Yeah, it's probably harder from GitHub. In the email there was only one button :p
 
I argue that's broken. I should be able to easily complete any GitHub task simply by logging into my GitHub account.
@cigien One button, 1 million other emails :-(
 
Just trash everything older than a year. If it's gone that long without you looking at it, it's probably fine.
 
Oh yeah
 
@CodyGray Actually, I've never found the GitHub interface easy to navigate.
 
7:03 AM
That's a good point, too
 
To be fair, I'm not great with graphical interfaces generally.
 
github.com/notifications probably has the notification somewhere in there, but if you are like me, you are 2 years behind on that too
 
No, that's where I found the notification and the link to the mention.
Nothing in there about accepting an invitation.
I'm actually not that far behind on those, because I don't use GitHub very often.
 
I only recently found out notifications existed when I wondered why that blue dot was shown on top of that bell icon
 
7:08 AM
Have you ever checked the red badge at the top of the SE page? Has something similar, @rene.
 
Anyone think that the duplicate link in stackoverflow.com/questions/33054229/… should be reversed? That one has more votes than the duplicate target, and OP's posted answer in that question looks more detailed.
 
@CodyGray which one? i.stack.imgur.com/4zTK0.png
 
@rene Every one. Run for mod, and you'll get even more.
 
Oh cool
That is a good motivator
 
Hmm. New feature request idea: light up the Help Center icon when your question gets closed.
Although I think they are already sending inbox notifications for that.
 
@CodyGray "Intent" is mentioned in the reject reason, not the help center article where the following is written: "To clarify the meaning of the post (without changing that meaning)."
 
@JeanneDark Hmm. The Help Center article got edited when I wasn't looking. As you may or may not know, that's a thing that happens around here.
 
@CodyGray So if I'm a SME, I can freely correct your answers as I wish? ;)
@CodyGray But that's usually done by you, isn't it? ;)
 
@JeanneDark I think if you have full editing privileges, we can trust you to use your discretion about which edits are appropriate to make.
 
@JeanneDark That was more of a Bash question than a Python one, and I'm a Bash SME
 
7:41 AM
Typically, the heaviness of one's editing hand would be tempered by one's lack of knowledge in a particular subject.
But if I saw a PHP answer with an unclosed <body> tag or something, yeah, I'd edit it.
(Isn't PHP just HTML with extra stuff?)
 
@oguzismail I was just teasing Cody who is especially fond of PHP and C++ and not about the actual matter, only the argument they made.
 
I've had great edits made to my answers by non-obvious subject-matter experts.
Suggested edits have, in a lot of ways, watered down the utility of the edit feature on this site.
Not to say that there aren't advantages, but too many people reason that if an edit wouldn't get approved by reviewers, it's a bad edit.
 
@CodyGray Because edits become more superficial?
 
Yes!
In some theoretical future, we could have bots editing posts for formatting, spelling, and grammar. That's not the real power of the editing feature.
 
I don't edit at all. I'll wait till my serial upvoter gets me to 2k ;)
 
7:45 AM
The bots aren't going to be able to correct semantic issues.
 
Apparently useful answer that received an upvote in full: "I had the same problem but this did the trick."
 
Let me guess, someone edited the answer into the question?
 
@CodyGray I just wait for Peter Mortenson editing my posts.
4
 
@rene So, you're saying the bot is already running?
 
Basically, yes.
Still not sure which glaring mistakes trigger him
 
7:56 AM
I noticed you recently posted an answer to MSO where no glaring grammar misteaks stood out to me.
 
@CodyGray Are misteaks tatsy?
 
Delcious!
Derelictable!
 
8:40 AM
@JeanneDark Teeny nitpick: I'd call that no MCVE. If they pasted that with some relevant code, it'd be fine, since it's describing a specific technical problem that needs fixing. Still needs closing, though, of course.
 
Needs debugging details? The whole body is just the email they received, they're also not asking a question.
 
Well the email certainly doesn't contain the required debugging details. Basically if they did "This MCVE is vulnerable to intent redirection as reported by Play Store; how do I fix it?" that would be fine, because it has the minimum code needed to reproduce the problem (if you know what intent redirection is, at least, which I'd personally admittedly have to look up).
It really is a very teeny nitpick, and I suppose less directed at you than at the various people in the tag who close anything Play Store-related as customer support, even when it's actually not.
In contrast with this, which is absolutely a terrible "question"
 
I've left an helpful comment
 
8:57 AM
 
9:14 AM
sd report
(all 3 are SD reports)
Not sure why they weren't reported here
 
@Yatin They were only reported for experimental ("Potentially bad...") reasons, which aren't sent to most non-CHQ rooms.
 
9:48 AM
What to do with this question: stackoverflow.com/q/21969661/11573842
The link to image is dead
Is this on the wayback machine?
 
10:01 AM
@CodyGray No, but PHP is often used to dynamically generate HTML
 
sdc amiprivileged
 
@cigien ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
10:26 AM
Is this an answer?
 
Looks like generated text to me. Flagged.
 
@JeanneDark I've flagged it NAA
 
Thanks!
 
Reported to smokey as complete nonsense
No idea why it reported twice...
 
I wonder what's the purpose of posting something like that
 
10:32 AM
Trolling?
 
Seems a bit involved for trolling, I wonder if it's a voting fraud thing. No idea why they keep editing, though...
 
How can they be a blacklisted user when they've only joined today?
 
Perhaps some kind of bot
 
And the OP keeps editing it LOL
 
10:33 AM
@user692942 Ryan reported. I flagged with AF.
 
@Yatin Oh hm. Race condition, then. Good catch.
 
Yea
 
@Yatin yeah thanks, just read the report.
 
Since they keep editing it, it may be incomplete nonsense ;)
 
Gotta make the nonsense look good :p
 
10:36 AM
Is it a bot possibly? Seems weird the random edits
 
Who would go to those lengths? Create a bot just to post nonsense that is nuked in a couple of minutes
 
I do know one thing, they love a chocolate mousse
 
@CodyGray OH, a discussion about editing, so much beef I have there too :D
 
They are maybe just testing the bot.
 
@Yatin Same kind of person that would continually post nonsense?
 
10:40 AM
... A troll you mean ;)
 
Let's not confuse non-sense with what gets posted in the PHP tag
 
hehe
 
Just to add to Cody's points, I don't know if you visit other SE sites @JeanneDark, but here's the prime example I use when someone argue against edits that makes the post objectively better.
 
That's not really what the discussion was about.
 
Really, @JeanneDark? Because it seems to have started about editing
 
10:49 AM
Have a look at this message by Cody or the whole preceding discussion.
"it's emergency, waiting for help please"
 
@JeanneDark I still don't understand why you say it's not relevant? The post I draw upon is about the length other sites go to make sure that post can be edited to be objectively better, which is the same point Cody is making.
 
It's arguable that ampersand is valid there though, removing it completely would be a better improvement. I just didn't want to argue and added an alternative instead
 
SO modus operandi of rejecting anything that isn't formatting or grammar is the opposite end of that, where it prefers to leave post objectively worse than what they could be.
 
Adding an example is different from changing the answer. See also my above message and Cody's reaction ;) below it. And in the message I linked to above, Cody says they should expand it, not change it. This is what happened.
Not sure why all of this has to repeated though.
 
A moderator's job is to moderate, of course he won't say yeah go ahead and completely change the answer
 
10:57 AM
@JeanneDark I see that my point is too subtle, so let me rephrase: whatever edit makes the post better (corrected, expanded, updated, offer other alternatives, etc) should be applied. From my point of view there's no difference between adding an alternative and adding an example.
Both makes the post better.
 
@Braiam I fail to see how that's relevant for the case under discussion.
 
@CodyGray Eh, I see that actually happened the opposite. It was watered down by meta knee jerk reaction of punishing reviewers that were accepting reviews when they should know better, to not accept reviews they aren't able to do a sensible review of.
@JeanneDark SO sucks, among other things because editing policies. ;)
Jokes aside I try see to see the editing process as holistically as possible, where everything should work together towards making a better site. Preventing an knowledgeable user from editing a post to make it better, however that conclusion came about, is wrong and should be corrected.
 
11:19 AM
snap! :)
 
11:47 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Same as just above...
 
@AmitJoshi Indeed. I think we both posted almost simultaneously
I forgot to mention that it was a SD reported post though
 
12:29 PM
@DalijaPrasnikar 20K? What do you mean?
 
only 20k+ reputation users can cast a delete vote
it is a privilage thing
 
@Dharman 10kers can too T_T
*sad 10k noises*
 
we have to wait
 
@Braiam No, at 10k y"ou must wait for a question to be closed for 2 days before you can vote for deletion." At 20k+ you can vote "to delete questions with a score of -3 or lower immediately after they are closed."
 
Who is serially upvoting me?
 
12:37 PM
@JeanneDark "only 20k+ reputation users can cast a delete vote" I don't know why are you correcting me.
Dharman was inaccurate.
 
@Braiam Sorry for being so vague. I meant cast the vote on the question.
 
@Dharman Yes, I know. But saying that only 20kers can cast delete votes was inaccurate ;)
 
No, it wasn't, considering the context.
 
12:54 PM
About my this request above: It was asked 7 months ago and was active 3 months ago. Is it still NATO? As far I see in help/faq of SOCVR, 6 month is Ok.
 
@AmitJoshi Yes, it's ok.
 
@Dharman never heard that complaint before.
 
1:14 PM
@user692942 It happens from time to time. Someone took a liking to me last year and slowly upvoted me until they were caught and deleted. Nice ~500 rep hit
 
I will also soon have to raise a custom flag again
 
Is this spam? The answer boils down to: use my (open-source) product. But affiliation properly mentioned.
 
I am afraid that someone is targetting me due to me being close to PHP gold tag. I don't fancy that. I want to get it the natural way.
 
Naturally targeted, perhaps?
 
1:30 PM
@GertArnold in my personal experience, self promotion is not exactly a spam if it answers the question, you can comment letting the person know that they should target the tool not their affiliation to it, however questions about spam should be placed in charcoal hq
 
@GertArnold The key is repetition. If that is their only post, it's fine. If they post that to half a dozen questions, it's not fine. If they only post answers to mention it, it's also not fine. Disclosure is a fig leaf for self promotion, and it only covers so much
 
@Ruli Oh OK, I didn't know about charcoal. I think it's OK because it answers the question, sort of.
@Machavity OK, thanks. It's one post, so I'll leave it.
@Machavity "Disclosure is a fig leaf for self promotion, and it only covers so much" 👏👏
 
@TomerShetah See meta.stackexchange.com/a/181015/168269 I think it's answer, but not very meaningful.
 
It's a comment, really
The other principle there is the "late retread". If you'll note, the other answer already covered that in detail
 
1:59 PM
Hey, one question, which flag is it when someone writes his questions in another language?
 
@Alex details or clarity
 
@JeanneDark ty
 
@Alex Besoin de détails ou de clarté Needs details or clarity.
 
Should a suggested edit like this just be rejected (which I already did), or does such 'silly' behaviour warrant some kind of flag?
 
@TylerH @klutt sending this to /dev/null as you have answered it, making it an invalid request
@CodyGray That's dangerous, because sometimes that is the reason for an error (and question), so you could be invalidating a closure attempt (e.g. typo) that way
 
3:03 PM
@TylerH Cody did mention that he'd make such an edit on an answer.
 
@AdrianMole that's a fair point and an important detail
one that's easy to miss when you're just 20 minutes out of bed like me :-)
 
Heh - Do I get a PHP badge, now? :-)
!!/coffee TylerH
 
@AdrianMole brews a cup of Latte for @TylerH
 
3:17 PM
Huh, there's a [delay] tag. Does that seem a bit broad to you guys?
 
@code11 Hang on a minute...
 
Yeah, it gave me pause as well
 
I'm processing that name...
 
But you could be an expert in [delay] - like those who work in Amazon's refund department.
 
Unfortunately, it has many questions (almost 4k) so I'm probably not going to meta it.
 
3:20 PM
@AdrianMole sure. awards PHP Sheriff badge to Adrian
@AdrianMole zing
 
@code11 Eh, why? I meta'ed a 10k tag :D
Which btw was deleted.
 
Oh my. Ok, maybe I will after all.
 
Tag introduction also looks kind of meta.
 
@JeanneDark Ugh...
 
And there was those [excel-xxx] tags, eventually deleted by Martijn (over 11,000 edits in one day, IIRC).
 
3:22 PM
I clicked it, I'm not disappointed that I was disappointed.
@AdrianMole I doubt so. It was merging.
 
They were there, then they weren't there. That's deletion, in my book.
 
Well, merging is also deletion and so it's synonymization :D
 
Let's call it a draw - [merging] and [deletion] have been [synonymized]. :-)
 
> I plan to use this equation in R and Excel so it is related. --- User that post a math question
 
3:44 PM
Loic unhammered my duplicate closure at stackoverflow.com/q/65704578/2943403 but this is a clear basic question of "how to join strings together with commas". This is a mega-duplicate question. Please feel free to hammer with stackoverflow.com/q/65704578/2943403 or any one of dozens more pages to execute this very basic tssk.
 
@mickmackusa Both links are the same...
@mickmackusa You can also reverse the direction ;)
 
@Braiam Whoops possibly hammer with stackoverflow.com/q/43728905/2943403
 
dear moderators my question was marked to close
but i couldn't find anything wrong in that quest
 
also since posting that question i have got 2 upvotes. This means it's beneficial for the community. I have got my answer but I want to keep it for the community.
Should I leave that question as it is or delete it ??
 
3:59 PM
You can't delete it since it has an accepted answer (and upvoted answers in general)
 
@Hercules Also, you are not allowed to ask this room to reopen your own posts. Even though you didn't make a 'formal' [reopen-pls] request, your mentioning it here implies that's what you want. Discussion of that post should really be made as a question on Meta.
 
@Hercules 1. Where is that quote coming from? 2. What does it mean else be out the loop? 3. What is the purpose of that {}? 4. What exactly is your question?
 
@AdrianMole I don't what made you think that... I l already told you that I have got my answer. And saved it in my personal blog. I was just thinking about community
:(
 
Please edit the question and explain it to the best of your ability.
 
After a bit, meta question about delay tag has been asked.
 
4:14 PM
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Q: Hold up, this [delay] tag gives me pause

code11Ran across the delay tag today. It seems like a meta tag, especially given its laconic wiki description. Lets go through the criteria: Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? No, this tag is ambiguous. Specifically it fails to differentiate be...

 
hmm I'm not convinced but I'm almost never are :). Too much work for a tag that does not do much harm... it only adds a keyword to search...
I mean what off-topic questions does encourage?
 
I kind of came to same conclusion, but I thought maybe other people had different takes. Looking through its use though, it is a real grab bag, all different sorts of languages, meanings of delay. Its certainly not helping, but I'm hard pressed to say its hurting.
 
yeah just a lot of busy work with no real benefit... maybe even just harmful since it may remove the delay keyword when searching
 
I do see some hardware delay questions in there...
 
4:18 PM
I doubt the culprit is the delay tag :)
 
Heh - There are two gold badges in [delay].
 
The, use-tags-to-search rationale has never been especially motivating to me as a counterargument against burnination. More likely stems from SOs bad search, which is a separate problem.
 
[java] [delay] [thread] seems like an acceptable tag sequenze for me...
@code11 Google may do some logic also on tags... hence often we remove for example java in "I do I do this in java" since it's tagged java
 
I disagree, delay is the higher level characteristic. I'd rather see [sleep] or [thread-sleep] used, since those are the java specific calls being used, but again, not too adamant on this.
 
sure but someone will search on [delay] what harm did it do?... enough for us to spend time to review 4000 questions?
once we managed to convince shog9 just to delete a tag from database... after that we check there was no question with only that tag... but I don't think we will able to find a dev that will spend time with this... specially if tag does not do much harm
 
4:25 PM
I think SO could do a better job shunting people from high level characteristics, like [delay] or [crash] to specific root cause tags. Its true that sometimes delay is what you'd search for in google. Something like a popup that was like, I see you've used an ambiguous tag, what sub use did you intend -> sub reason list. Maybe editing the tag wiki to suggest using those sub reason tags is a good first step...
Not that anyone reads the tag wikis...
 
@code11 That's what titles are for, to describe your problem :D
 
You can try but personally I don't think these kind of tags do much harm and if you bruniate it, it will come back next day (you would need to blacklist it also). It's just a tag that some like to use.. Hey my question is about delay, delaying or the response is delayed let me put delay.... it already have synonyms for delayed
 
@PetterFriberg They said that about :D
 
Sorry but you have my downvote on it :(, but I will refrain to answer or comment on it since I don't really participate in burnation anymore.
@Braiam Yeah and they were right... time spent to remove it could have been used on much better tasks
 
I mean, I'm not even a 2k user, so I couldn't help well even if it was a clear home run. I mostly posted since there didn't seem to be any previous meta question on the subject. Now there is.
 
4:32 PM
well internet is a bit worse... but yeah I would not spend time on that either...
@code11 you will see that after you spent 10h of reviewing to remove a tag.. you get more skeptical to burnation requests. :), I still remember some.. heck people got burned on the burnation...
once we had also a nice excel with all the burnation request... and spent hours just to review all the burnation request on meta :D
Then after you done with [delay] you can review also the 8000 question with [wait]...
 
5:13 PM
@PetterFriberg Eh, it was Shog and he spent at most 5 minutes :D
Also, if we aren't going to actually do it, they why we actively prevent others from doing the work?
 
@Braiam I think does days unfortunately are gone :)
@Braiam I'm not preventing anyone, why do you think so?
 
@PetterFriberg I didn't said you were, just that nobody should discourage it
 
@Braiam looks like it may have been some typos/missing words that lent to the confusion. "Then why should we actively prevent" is what I'm guessing you meant to say there...
 
@Braiam I think you are wrong, we should discourage tags that we don't believe is worth the time and encourage those that are.. to direct the resource where the effect is best.
 
5:19 PM
@TylerH Yeah, it sounded right in my head.
@PetterFriberg Well, anyone can spend their time as they like. If they want to spend their time doing it, why should we stop them? Why force them to do nothing?
I always accept voluntaries for any lost causes :D
 
unfortunately the work always ends up on someone else...
people that post the request are not saying "I will do it all", they are saying "we" should do it ;).. if it's not a mod, how are they able ot close all by themself?, gold hammer?
 
Well, then don't downvote those. If you are that apathetic...
 
 
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6:51 PM
Are rants R/A, or just OT?
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica depends on context.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Rants against other users or SO are R/A. Rants about software/life are merely OT
That's my line at any rate
 
Good to know... in this case, they were just ranting about VBA.
 
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@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica that's always fun
"this guy used .select, can you believe it?!" "oh yeah will this guy over here didn't use option explicit, what a mess!"
 
10:46 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ the roomba will clean that up in 10 days
 
11:31 PM
I think this answer is just spam stackoverflow.com/questions/64496172/…
 
@Steve Yeah, maybe. I saw it and was unsure. It's relevant (maybe) and has reasonably clear disclosure, so I just left it.
... I ended up giving a delete vote instead of a red flag.
 

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