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1:05 AM
@tripleee based on your answer here, I assume you know enough about emoji/unicode regex. Can you weigh-in on whether or not this answer is nonsensical?
 
@mickmackusa well, it will certainly remove any actual ? characters in the text, which I imagine is not what is desired...
 
test
 
fail
 
I know, right?
 
1:18 AM
Sorry - thought I was marking a student submission.
 
Is the edit enough to warrant a re-open?
Heh
I was just experiencing an intermittent fault with the chatroom (wouldn't let me post anything for maybe 30 min?) ....
 
OK - pass. (B-minus, though).
 
churr cuz =D ... (taking it down to a d- for pidgin English) ;D
 
 
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2:57 AM
@mickmackusa actually it's a dupe of the old "single/double quoted strings" chestnut
 
3:17 AM
@Nick sure, I'm happy with that closure too.
 
3:54 AM
If a closed question have -4 and an answer 2, will Roomba take care of it?
 
@klutt No, if any answers have a positive score, roomba will never delete
 
@CertainPerformance now eligible for tag:del-pls
 
@JonClements: I once asked someone to undelete a question so I could upvote it.
 
@tink: Looks almost answerable to me. If it had an awk tag I might throw a skeleton answer on it. There's something OP is hiding, but my guess is he's solved that part. That is, he has a test for which line in a cluster is correct.
 
Cheers @Joshua .. I thought it did, too, but wasn't certain. I think that the small shell snippet I chucked in the comments fits the bill, too ...
 
What's the single/double quoted strings chestnut?
 
4:31 AM
@desertnaut can you take at look at this? stackoverflow.com/q/65650075/11573842 Looks like ML methodology
 
4:42 AM
@Joshua we seem to use stackoverflow.com/q/11321491/2943403 VERY regularly to close because it is insanely common for new developers to get this part wrong. Probably due to loads of old/bad tutorials floating around interwebs.
 
@mickmackusa actually for that question it was the even more basic stackoverflow.com/questions/3446216/…
OP was expecting a variable to be instantiated inside a single quoted string
 
5:01 AM
@mickmackusa: Ah. It was unsearchable w/o knowing what language.
 
5:58 AM
Can we make an undel-pls request for a self-censored answer here?
 
@oguzismail What's a self-censored answer? Do you mean the author of the answer deleted it?
 
Yeah
I think it wasn't a bad answer, I was going to upvote but he deleted it
 
If you think the answer is worth being undeleted, I don't see why not. There shouldn't be any conflict of interest with that. I don't think I've seen an undel-pls like that, so I'm not sure.
 
Neither have I, I'll vote to undelete and see what happens.
 
6:04 AM
@oguzismail There is no rule against it. If something like that should be undeleted is a judgement call balancing what is best for the community and future readers vs the obvious desires of the OP. What is appropriate depends on the exact circumstances.
The circumstances could result in anything between "it should definitely be deleted" to "it should absolutely be undeleted". However, as far as a rule for requests in SOCVR goes, there's nothing specifically prohibiting a request, as long as the other requirements are met (e.g. the requestor is not "involved").
 
It's rather "it shouldn't have been deleted, but no big deal" in this case
Thanks
 
np.
 
6:24 AM
@mickmackusa I had a look and it does seem rather haphazard but I can't claim that I understand the context well enough to really form an opinion
I would vaguely speculate that the intent is to match letters and spaces and that this should cover all 3-byte UTF-8 sequences and shorter, and exclude all others, but I have a hard time imagining that that's actually true, let alone sustainable even if it was true at some point in time
but the \\u is probably a fixture from the JSON parsing which this was allegedly copied from, and not really correct in this context
I'm fortunate enough to not know enough about PHP or its regex to really tell whether that expression does something more than meets my untrained eye, though
 
7:16 AM
@tripleee Thanks for the reply. Hopefully the poster will shed some light. In the meantime, my comment under the answer should give researchers some pause before blindly copy-pasting.
@Nick yeah, that's a more precise dupe target.
 
8:04 AM
@AmitJoshi I'm not sure what details that question needs. Looks very clear to me. It's probably a dupe, though the suggested target in the comment is wrong: it doesn't do any counting.
 
it's another dupe cigien.. the usual problem :)
 
@cigien Need Details or No MCVE. Apart from what they tried, it also lack the context as in why they want to do that? Why cannot they simply loop through string and uc++/lc++.
 
@PetterFriberg Could you help me find the target? I have an answer I'd like to add that's not mentioned in this question.
 
They have already suggested this stackoverflow.com/questions/24268690/…
 
@PetterFriberg As I mentioned, that doesn't count the upper or lowercase characters.
 
@PetterFriberg Aren't those different languages?
 
@cigien that's is where you and I differenze in what is dupe and not... according to me if you can identify'em you can count'em... we don't need every variation.
According to me the actuall problem that the users has is to identify them... not counting...
 
@PetterFriberg I see. Yes, we definitely disagree completely on this point.
 
@PetterFriberg "Unclear what you are asking" aka "Need Details and Clarity".
 
Maybe choose two dupe targets, like adding one about counting: Swift - How do I count the occurrences of a specific character in a String? ;)
 
8:24 AM
@AmitJoshi 1) What details would you like to see? Would an input output example help? 2) It's how-to question, no MCVE is required. 3) They don't need to have tried anything. 4) Why the OP wants to do something is irrelevant, so long as the question is answerable. 5) Who said they can't loop through the string and add to a counter? In fact, that looks like a reasonable answer, and has already been posted.
 
You see according to me any programmer facing that question, need 1)What is my string 2) How to I identify upper and lower case, when this is solved 2) "How do I count'em'.. Then how should I output result...
Now what is the actually problem in these 4 phases according to you that the programmer have?
All 4?
 
@JeanneDark Yeah, that's certainly something I'm partial to. In fact, I wrote a meta asking if multi-target closures are acceptable, and there was considerable push back against doing that. Especially when the solutions from both targets need to be combined to create the actual solution, I'm not sure that's considered acceptable.
 
Considering this, we need on SO 1) Question what is a string and how you init a string 2) How to identify upper and lower case, 3) How you count 4) How you output result...
What we don't need is every variation of string, every variation of counting, how to only count avery odd number of uppercase... etc...
but yeah that's my idea... That OP is better off with just a dupe how to identify upper and lower case... then they can try to count'em, if they are not able the best solution is that they post attempt and show us what the problem is.
 
@PetterFriberg I take it you like debugging questions?
 
8:32 AM
Do you like how-to questions?
 
Yes I love'em but they have not to be the 100 dupe....
 
Agreed. And it seems you think that a target exists for this one? Or at least that it can be closed with one or more of the posts that have been linked here so far?
 
According to me the correct dupe is how to identify upper and lower case... That's the problem that the OP have...
 
I see. How do you know they aren't having a problem with the counting aspect of it instead?
 
Then they should ask about counting...
 
8:37 AM
Hey guys. Need a lil advice :)
Umm, recently joined Hardware Recommendations; posted a question, which got deleted by a mod (without specifying reason). I flagged it for attention, after which the reason was mentioned as "off-topic", and the question was closed, and rightly so. But it seems, the mod forgot to undelete it.
Is it a good idea to flag it for undeletion?
 
You might get a better answer over at hardwarerecs.se, either on their meta or in their chat room.
 
What's bugging me is, why was the question closed after it was deleted?
@JeanneDark hmm... okay. will try that. Thanks :)
 
@PetterFriberg "How to count a quantity of lowercase and uppercase letters in string?" It looks like the question is asking about counting.
 
Maybe the question needs details or clarity if opinions on what they ask differ ;)
 
Hey is there a reopen or undelete reviewer room too ?
 
8:42 AM
@anki +1
 
@anki Such requests are allowed in here, but note the FAQ
 
@d4rk4ng31 but mine is about this site itself which has.. its own rules often. For any other site, i'll just directly go to their meta.
 
@anki Please also note how to format requests
 
@cigien Yes I read the title also.. but according to me the problem is not the counting .
 
@anki What would be the rationale for undeleting it? Can you see the question contents? It was deleted two years ago, and it's just a request for off-site resources.
 
8:54 AM
@yivi that line can be removed and only "and detailed answers here " can be kept.
 
It would still be a request for off-site resources, and the answers are mostly links to those resources. How can you see the question contents?
 
@yivi stackoverflow.com/questions/4173254/… just like this Q, software design patterns are not off-topic. Answers that do so should be downvoted, not questions deleted.
 
@anki if it were undeleted now, wouldn't the answers be by and large outdated anyway?
 
@tripleee when it's in a deleted state, it's not paving a way for new answers either.
Let's go delete every decade old thread because it was created when the rules were relaxed and its answers are now outdated.
 
9:13 AM
@anki I do see your point, and I do sympathize. In fact, I'll admit that I've been guilty of doing exactly that on more than one occasion. Regardless, given the number of undelete votes that will take, and the general aversion to undeleting questions of this nature, I think it very unlikely that it will get undeleted in this room. Pragmatically, if you want that question to be undeleted, and then reopened, you should take this to Meta and get feedback from more members of the community.
 
Frankly, I don't see a very strong argument for undeletion. If new answers could be posted to a similar but on-topic question, just post that question. It will start without the baggage of all the link-only answers. Why the attachment to this particular question?
 
9:25 AM
@yivi Was deletion and throwing away everyone's answers, particularly Macuzza's, the only remedy?
"Why the attachment to this particular question?" Digression 100.
But to answer, because at one point, I need help with one topic. Right now, this is the topic.
 
baah I voted to undelete... it does not seem to do much harm. it's closed anyway
broken links from other sites for non 10 K seems like a good enough reason for me
 
@cigien It's sad that deletions and closures happen so easily, and impersonally here in this room. But for fixing mistakes, one has to fight the meta crowd, get downvoted to oblivion, and get lectured on on-topic-ness, history, and what not.
I got the thread via wayback machine, I'll read it up and move on. I don't need any fuss from meta folks. Others be on their own.
 
@anki This is probably going to be no consolation, but closures and deletions happen even more easily on meta. I say this from personal experience.
 
@anki it's 10 people that voted to delete it... it's not really fair to say it was this room (even if I recognize some of the names)
maybe that one has already been on meta... it would not surprise me...
 
@PetterFriberg I can't see their names. Nor did I imply that this particular question was processed in this chat room. I commented on the discrepancy in the process of deletion (chat) vs un-deletion (meta).
 
9:36 AM
@anki I see the names, it's not deleted only by chat, there are many names on it, one of them is also a famous mod.. (which made me worried to vote to undelete)
anyway as for undeletion it also happens in chat... you just need convince people as you do for deletion
and in this case as for deletion I'm not sure that even if you convince most of us it will be enough to undelete...
 
That question was deleted as part of a burnination of the design tag. Its deletion was noticed by Gemmy
 
@PetterFriberg I'm not massively convinced it needs to stay, but I've undeleted it and historically locked it - it's not causing harm and was kind of popular so...
 
Thanks!
 
I'm not sure either... but my vote does not count much :), but yeah I agree it does not do much harm and breaking links from other sites seems just stupid..
How's life Jon? Have you got your vaccine yet?
 
9:52 AM
@PetterFriberg nope... I'm low priority (which I suppose is good in a way?). How's yourself - you holding up all right?
 
Yeah all ok, my youngest is back to school... which make life easier... as for vaccine Italy has started... but it will take a long time before it's my turn... Not many Italians would vote to give vaccine to a Swede :D
very harsh to spam flag that...
 
@PetterFriberg not quite sure what's going on with education over in England at the moment - it's all over the place... they've cancelled the exams this year and schools are mostly closed until middle of next month (or longer) - quite the mess...
 
distance education is a good idea, given the pandemic
 
In Italy kids below 14 are back while older are doing remotely still. However as far as I know they will start to get back to school when they have solved the transportation problem (probably by doing some part-time stuff with different hours)
Totally closing school's does not really seem like a good option... At least with distance education they have something to do...
 
10:07 AM
@JohnDvorak yeah... but I feel for the people here that are paying nearly £10k/year for their university courses and still tied in to to paying £ for renting their lodgings but aren't allowed to go back to 'em etc... when they're mostly not getting much more than if they'd just spent a few hundred quid on an online course
 
fair. Maybe university courses could be suspended?
 
even better reduce the fee
 
frankly, paid education just seems not worth it
 
@PetterFriberg wait, I didn't know we could vote. Where can I do that?
 
@rene The link below that says "Let's vaccine Petter"
 
10:13 AM
Okay, got it.
 
@JohnDvorak the whole model for it in the UK just seems completely wrong now... you have to take a student loan for probably around £40k (depending on what you're studying and for how long) - and then you pay it back only after you reach a certain threshold of earning and only up to a certain age and then it gets written off and the state pays it...
 
To me it seem like a good model
at least everybody can study... better then "If your parents can pay"
 
here, university is fully paid by the government if you make it within one year of par time, and I'm still not sure it's worth it.
 
Sweden is similar, but there is no threshold it's like 4% fixed on your income...
 
@PetterFriberg yeah... but it use to be the state would pay by giving grants... not the student having to take a loan from a company that issues interest on it... and estimated that less than half of students will ever repay the loan in full and the the state will end up paying it anyway...
 
10:17 AM
well in Sweden University in itself is free (but with fixed numbers)... but still you need money for housing, food, beer etc
 
is this NAA?
 
bear?
 
cushty little business that... lend out money with no fear of ever having to worry about defaulting :p
 
You have bears at the universities in Sweden?
 
@JonClements well that's messy.. In Sweden it's centralized csn.se, you need to get a certain amounts of "points" every 1/2 year... and most people pay back since 4% normally covers the cost in 20 years.
I tried to avoid, saying that I earn nothing (in Sweden), but it only worked for a few years so now I have to pay 15% or a fixed amount each year :)
The fixed amount was only 800 Euro x year so I went for that :), I'm still paying..
 
@SurajRao Not an NAA IMO. But, can it be SPAM? They are promoting their own YT URL.
 
In Italy the university is also free, but you can only go if parents will pay housing..
@AmitJoshi They have state that it's their own so it's not spam (as long as it is relevant, I have not checked)
 
@AmitJoshi there is a disclaimer.. if the rest of the content is sufficient to say if it is not NAA. Then it wouldn't be spam right?
 
@JonClements The whole model for it in the UK except Scotland you mean :p
laughs in 5 years of free Uni
 
10:25 AM
@SurajRao You can link your own stuff, even Skeet links his own stuff. YOu need to state it's yours and the answer need to work without the link
@TomerShetah I would not flag it, it's say a bug was present.
 
@Nick :p
Seeing as you're here @Nick... I skipped breakfast this morning... don't happen to want to make a puppy happy with some popcorn? :)
 
Ha, tosses Jon a couple handfuls of popcorn
 
@Nick \o/
 
10:44 AM
Do you think I (or someone else) should post an answer or close this question as a duplicate? Relative size in list python - Stack Overflow -- the change is trivial, yet they're not exact duplicate.
 
@user202729 Why is the target not a duplicate? Looks the same to me.
Hmm, no the desired behavior is slightly different with ties, as pointed out in a comment.
 
... why I found like 10 near-duplicates already. (numpy/not numpy, scipy/not scipy, average/min/dense) it's like that every time.
Perhaps cross-linking them isn't that useful given that search engines are smart; however some search engines (DuckDuckGo? this is bad) are not that good.
Perhaps stack can buy some data from Google to populate the "related" and "possible duplicate" list (if two questions show up together in a Google search result, they're likely related)
(off-topic) I mostly use DuckDuckGo nowadays, but when the result is unsatisfactory I still have to switch to startpage or something else.
 
11:32 AM
@Makyen Thanks, Mayken, for the heads-up!
I was a mod for a while and I like the approach of explaining what are the final effects of unaccepted behaviours. So kudos for that!
Also, I feel that marking as spam/R/A some messages because they are not in English may be way too much: the spirit of the law is avoiding situations where mods cannot moderate content, which is something we all should avoid. In the little (3 lines?) non-English conversation we had, we even had someone translating it, so the references to spam, etc sound big to me.
In any case, lesson learned and thanks for the comprehensive documentation you provided.
 
 
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@cigien It isn't a duplicate?
 
@Braiam There was a long discussion about this. No one found a duplicate. If you find one, I'll be happy to bin the request.
Note that the suggested target in the comment is incorrect.
 
@Braiam Link to the beginning of the discussion
 
@JeanneDark Thank you.
 
@cigien I just ask because it seems to be a very simple problem.
Slice string, identify if it's lower/upper case (also none), add to count
 
1:00 PM
@Braiam I understand. That's a very natural reaction, and what I thought initially as well. However, I looked for a target and couldn't find one.
 
@cigien Then maybe it needs more focus, because it contains two questions: 1) lowercase/uppercase, 2) counting ;)
 
BTW, the question doesn't seem to address the not a upper/lower case
 
@Braiam I'm sorry, I don't follow. What do you mean exactly?
 
@cigien What should happen with non A-Za-z characters, like :whitespace:, symbols, ñ/Ñ, etc.
 
@Braiam Nothing. They can't be uppercase or lowercase, so they wouldn't be counted in either.
 
1:07 PM
Morning
 
@cigien But ñ and Ñ are lower and upper case characters ;)
 
Doesn't the accepted answer in the suggested dupe address that issue? The Unicode standard defines what is or is not a letter.
 
As if Unicode is the Law. We make our own case rules here
 
@rene They are merely a standard :D
Not even the standard
 
I mean, in Rust you always work with UTF-8 unless you specify otherwise.
 
1:14 PM
(I hate ISO character maps :D )
 
@Braiam Oh, I thought you were joking, but it seems you're serious, since you actually added that comment on the post. I don't understand what you're confused about.
 
There are 12 competing standards?... now introducing standard 13
 
For a long time I thought a character map was something only used in RPG.se
 
OTOH, I do would like a standardized spec that maps every value out of 0 ..= 255 onto a different glyph, while mapping all of 33 ..= 126 onto their corresponding ASCII characters
 
1:16 PM
@NathanOliver UTF-64, now with 2 trillion emojis!
 
@JohnDvorak Isn't that what UTF-8 does?
BTW, utf-16 is weird...
 
I got to refer to EBCDIC in a answer of mine the other day
 
not quite. 0..=0x2f and 0x80..=0x9f map to control codes and 0x20 maps to whitespace
CP-1252 comes close, but it still leaves some character codes unmapped ... and keeps the ASCII non-glyphs
 
Interesting, according to Wikipedia, unicode took the lower 256 values from ISO-8859-1 rather than ascii.
 
it did, but ISO-8859-1 used all of ASCII... and then added extra control codes to the set and put them at 0x80..=0x9f
... just so that devices that discarded the high bit knew which characters were control characters anyways.
 
1:25 PM
In summary, historic reasons are why we are where we are.
 
@JohnDvorak Not really related to the room, but the commonly-used \n and \t would be moved to somewhere else.
 
I mean, I would like a standardized way to display any byte as a single distinct non-whitespace character, while rendering ASCII as is (except for control codes and space, which should ideally be rendered as something representative of their usual functions in ASCII)
 
There are "symbol for null" and similar, but (well, since there's only one of these thing in the whole Unicode, consider that standardized)
 
Another requirement: it has to have a glyph in whatever font WSL is using
 
Hahahahaha, isn't that defined by the terminal?
 
1:32 PM
Huh, it extends linearly to 2420. (nice alignment?)
 
those would be great... but the terminal I'm using doesn't have the glyph
 
you can change the font obviously...
 
Follow up: is there any monospace font that has these and looks good at 11px (ideally an extension of Consolas)?
 
@JohnDvorak Which is it? And why it is cmd?
 
(regarding me my last question, the corresponding question has already been answered...) Should something be done with the bunch of scipy.rankdata questions? (they all cover different subset that none can be made the canonical; but they're almost identical. The most recent one I come across is stackoverflow.com/questions/65664876/… )
 
1:59 PM
Something else...
If there's an OP who misunderstood an existing answer, then ask what is essentially a duplicate, then should I post the "clarified answer" to the old question (then redirect OP to the old question), or post it to the new one (then old question viewers won't be able to see it)
 
@user202729 Definitely post on the old one, and vote to close the new one as a duplicate of the old post.
 
Okay. (by the way, this is the particular question stackoverflow.com/questions/65667792/… )
 
Are you sure that's actually a duplicate? The OP seems to want to draw different figures in the 2 cells, whereas the suggested target is about drawing the same figure in 2 cells.
 
My new setup: Consolas 6x11 for ASCII / OpenSymbol 8x11 for pseudographics, all antialiased. Now I just need to set up my app to emit those codes (and inverted colors for high bit set?). Thanks for the tip @user202729.
 
2:17 PM
@cigien The point is to show the same figure object again.
Well, anyway, I posted an explanation to the other question; (everyone) please close it if you think it's a duplicate. the answer would be identical however.
But...
The other question is not self-contained. (in that regard, it's worse than the new question)
 
@user202729 It looks like the questions are sufficiently different to me. I'm not an SME at all, so I'm not really sure. It does happen that very similar answers are applicable on 2 questions that are not duplicates though, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.
@rene I read the link you cc'ed me on, but I'm not sure what happened on that meta. Could you explain that?
 
@cigien These questions are automatically generated stubs for users with <5 reputation (you need that much to participate on MSO)
Gives them the opportunity to ask for example how to get their closed question reopened.
 
Oh, so should I have not voted to close?
 
@cigien No, that was fine.
 
I should have linked to the meta rene shared then?
 
2:41 PM
It's just a stub, they still have to insert their question themselves
 
Oh, so the OP goofed on that part?
 
Yes, they get the chance but they also have to take it. Some even insert their SO question and ask it on MSO then.
 
There is a burnination of SAP tag happening right now. Is this publicly announced? Which mod is driving it?
 
@JeanneDark Ah, I see. Next time I see a post like that, I'll advise the OP more specifically. Thanks.
 
@Dharman maybe this one: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/404098/578411 ? I thought the consensus was: leave it as is.
 
2:49 PM
hmm, it doesn't look like it is following the standard burnination procedure.
 
I bet it doesn't
 
Can we burn the unofficial burninators?
... or just the ol' pitchfork stuff?
 
<quickly douses torch after jumping the gun>
 
@rene Yep, that is the one
 
3:21 PM
 
3:32 PM
 
Did SE just change the casing of the action links below posts? Now it's "Share Edit Follow ..." instead of "share edit follow ..."
3
 
@janw Yes, I'm seeing it, too
 
Oh, yeah :D
 
probably intended to help with accessibility and knowing more easily where one option ends and the next ends
 
Hmm, I preferred the lower case versions though.
Isn't there a MSE, or MSO post announcing this change?
 
3:40 PM
It's cosmetic and unlikely to have practical effects
 
didn't see one. But it's not a big thing, so they probably won't make a separate post
 
@cigien They often don't announce such minor, iterative changes, unfortunately
they lump it all under bigger announcements like 'overhauling our design to fit with stacks'
On the one hand, it's annoying, especially when so many of the changes are bad ones. On the other, it makes sense if you consider they have several builds every day
 
Oh, I didn't know that. Fair enough, not worth the staff's trouble I guess. This would be an easy way to get some Meta rep though ;)
 
All my scripts are dead
 
@cigien Well, if you have a reason to complain, or see any bugs, then yes - else it may become negative meta rep :D
 
3:44 PM
If you want, you could ask for the change to be reverted back because it breaks your workflow
 
When they changed the rep gained through question upvotes from 5 to 10 they also deemed it worth an announcement on MSO, so Cody did it.
 
Err, actually. Does anyone using that script still see the "Advanced Flagging" link?
 
@cigien their build number is in the footer and has a date: rev 2021.1.11.38289
 
@janw AF is dead - see discussion in SOBotics
 
@AdrianMole Alright, thanks!
 
3:46 PM
All is gone! IT'S EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF NOW!
 
Send in Jon Clements! One puppy to rescue another.
 
This is the best time to ask questions, they can't get closed.
 
Still you have to protect the damsel in distress
 
I'm not in this dress, I'm in that dress.
 
... the "Share" link (and similar) under the question has been capitalized just now.
 
3:50 PM
Looks like SO is embracing capitalism.
 
Shouldn't that be Capitalism?
 
Well, I'm not embracing it.
 
I for one welcome our new Capitalist overlords
 
Stack Overflow is celebrating 2021, the year of the CamelCase
 
3:54 PM
@cigien Then you should rAISE a cUSTOM mOD fLAG.
 
Nah, I'll just rANT oN mETA.
 
Someone dug up an old post on meta: Capitalisation again
And MSE has its first bug report.
 
@ekad a perennial question
 
4:11 PM
Hmm, did all userscripts stop working? Request Generator isn't working for me.
 
SOBotics also reports that.
 
Ah, ok, thanks.
 
Our work here is done. There is nothing else to cv-pls anymore.
 
We need a script that finds the scripts that are broken.
... but it's probably broken.
 
I am broken.
 
4:13 PM
Now you're just being shelfish.
 
Don't make me crabby yo
 
Oops, my second to last cv-pls was from an SD report btw, I forgot to mention that.
 
Can't you just Edit it?
 
The edit window had passed.
@JeanneDark Hmm, was that a joke, with the capital E? :p
 
@Makyen .post-menu got replaced with .js-post-menu and *-pls request generator might need changes: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/51343704#51343704 I've looked at it but there are bit too many places to fix this without proper testing and I'm not sure if you a branch pending to be pushed.
 
4:20 PM
 
@JeanneDark Is that on-topic if they're only looking for a specific icon, and not a database of icons?
 
Regarding stackoverflow.com/q/14250880/2943403 I am torn. Is this Needs More Focus (asking multiple questions) or a dupe of stackoverflow.com/q/1725907/2943403 ? I am leaning toward the former, but I recall getting support for hammering with multiple dupes. An opinions on this?
 
IMHO, if two dupe targets is enough to answer all of their questions, then I just hammer to those and drop a comment explaining that dupe one shows x and dupe 2 shows y.
 
@cigien It's only on-topic if it asks for an official resource (eg. if the official doc is not where you'd expect it to be) because they have a definitive answer. But this just asks for some database with that icon and there could be many.
There are likely several databases with (different) "package, delivery truck, delivery service, or maybe a postal horn" icons.
 
@JeanneDark They seem to only want a specific icon though, and not an actual database. Most new, and for that matter, old OPs don't know that that's off-topic. I'll edit it.
Ok, edited. Can you check?
 
4:31 PM
@cigien I don't think so (emphasis mine): "I'm looking for something symbolizing a package, delivery truck, delivery service, or maybe a postal horn."
Doesn't look to me like they are looking for a specific icon
And even if they were, are databases with icons really on topic on SO?
 
Ok, I've edited it further. There's no mention of databases any longer.
 
Isn't it still opinion-based? There could be a thousand answers with a thousand different icons.
 
@NathanOliver I'm cool with that. Done. Cheers.
 
The link link is not (yet) Link.
 
4:36 PM
@JeanneDark A question having multiple answers doesn't make it POB. It's not asking for the best icon or anything like that.
 
Ok, asking for some icon is not opinion-based, asking for the best icon is.
 
If it can be properly answered with facts and citations then it's not POB.
 
Yeah, this definitely meets that criteria at least.
 
@JeanneDark asking for some icon might not be opinion-based (though arguably it still is), but it is definitely asking for a resource recommendation
 
@TylerH Is asking for an algorithm, say, also a resource recommendation?
 
4:42 PM
@cigien Depends on the phrasing of the question but yes I'd say that's probably closeable as too broad or a resource recommendation, depending
perhaps even POB (again, it depends on the phrasing of the question)
 
The key word in the "resource recommendation" reason is "off-site". If you provide code to answer a question, then it's on-site.
 
questions about algorithms are not de facto off-topic, but it's very easy for them to be asked in an off-topic way.
 
True.
 
@AdrianMole well, good answers don't change whether a question is on-topic or not
 
OP has asked "Any chance that I could get around having to make one myself?". Is it ok to edit to "If not, how to make one myself?"?
 
4:45 PM
@TylerH True enough.
 
an answer generating an icon via SVG (which is included in the answer) would perhaps be a good step toward salvaging such a question
but it doesn't do that completely all by itself
@cigien I would rather comment there, saying "this question is off-topic unless you're asking how to make one yourself".
 
@TylerH Makes sense, I'll do that. Then it's up to the OP to edit it into shape. Thanks for the feedback.
 
While OP is offering that they may ultimately need to make one themselves, that's not what they're asking for. What they're currently asking for is an off-site resource. We do allow "no" as a valid answer to questions on Stack Overflow, especially when they continue on to say "here's what you have to do, and how ..."
 
Um... my 'Advanced flagging' and cv request generator buttons aren't showing up
 
@Yatin It's due to UI changes on the website earlier today
 
4:47 PM
@user202729 Is this because of this?
 
@Yatin Old news. Check out SOBotics.
 
@Yatin yes
 
Oh
 
You have to remove your hat and replace it with a js-hat.
 
@TylerH Ok. I've left a comment along the lines of what you suggested.
 
4:48 PM
The capitalization looks bad. I had this nagging feeling that something was off until I read user202729's message
 
4:59 PM
Moaning all ... I'm starting to dislike chrome. I received an update, and now the cv-pls userscript in tampermonkey doesn't work anymore, even though tampermonkey shows it as "active" on Stack Overflow. The link just doesn't get created any longer ..
 
Not chrome
 
@tink That might not be chrome's fault
 
@JeanneDark oh ... thanks
 
Notice: Your userscripts may be 'broken' due to recent UI changes to post actions
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SOUP still seems to work, at least.
 
5:01 PM
Hopefully that will pre-emptively answer some further wondering as users wake up and log on :-)
 
@TylerH thanks ...
Heh ... yeah, I never know just how far to scroll back ;( when I get up
 
Ohh.. the fifth element is so relevant again now.. We're all dancing ballet now :D
 
Wish there were "stickies" at the top ;)
 
@tink well, that's supposed to be what the starboard/pinboard is for... it's just on the side instead of at the top :-)
 
Man ... I need more coffee ... ;)
 
5:06 PM
It's now called Coffee.
 
The Capitalisation Is Killing Me!
 
lol
 
@AdrianMole And "Answers" and "Questions" ;)
 
@JeanneDark Ha! So it's all Scratte's doing.
 
Blame the Danes ;)
 
5:09 PM
Even AF is down, which is irritating, to say the least.
 
!!/blame
 
@AdrianMole It's Catija's fault.
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hehe
 
LOL
 
Not even CMs can hide from Smokey.
 
5:16 PM
@tripleee - how does one do the "tags" w/ the user script not working? :)
 
@tink you just do [tag:cv-pls]
 
cheers
 
@tink Or you can go fix the script.
 
Find the lower case words and "fix" them? :D
 
5:20 PM
gives me a headache just looking at it ;)
 
@rene OK. Thanks. I'll work on it.
 
@tink rust and c++ do the same to me
 
Heh.
 
Hack to fix the user script. Load a user script first to put everything back to lowercase
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Should I put a grain of "humor" in now? ;-)
 
5:30 PM
Random question: How "serious" does an issue need to be to warrant a mod flag in chat?
 
This could be the worst image of code so far: i.stack.imgur.com/XN5b5.jpg
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I might be late to the party but it looks like a site update broke the cv user script
 
Starred/Pinned notice.
 
Is it just me or is the flag dialog changed as well?
 
@AdrianMole Perhaps if the issue is not obvious?
 
5:37 PM
When you close the flag dialog it fades away
 
@Yatin I accidentely put it on protect first :D
 
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