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9:00 PM
@Dharman typo after the rollback?
 
@RyanM Not Java? Don’t things get cleared out there?
 
@Andreas What do you mean by cleared out?
 
@Andreas No. That's a myth, I think. Some posts are closed before they are asked. Others live 4 full days in the close vote queue before it gets kicked out for lack of attention.
I tend to give them about a day or so. If there's no close votes on them, they're unlikely to get any.
 
@RyanM Closed or deleted. - or ignored with no upvotes and answers.
 
@Andreas I dunno, actually. I mostly patrol [android]. I did list Java though :-)
 
9:07 PM
@RyanM I don’t really see that much bad in Java, unless I come across an Android question. Just a small peak into there is enough to hurt my eyes.
@Scratte Closed before they are asked?
 
hahaha. That could well be...
I suppose I mostly see the Java homework dumps that come through here, plus [android]
[java] -[android] is probably decent
 
@Dharman Por que no los dos? Also add the amount of meh questions too. Boring questions, questions that do not tickle the problem solving part of our brains, tend to not be very interesting reads.
 
@Braiam Definitely.
 
Tag combos are the best though. [java][kotlin], [android][php]...
 
I stopped reading [android][php] I just downvote
 
9:09 PM
;P
 
@RyanM For looking closeable questions?
 
Some are fine, like [c][c++], [objective-c][swift] and [html][css][javascript].
 
@Braiam I honestly rarely do this, because I can just do [android]... but yes.
@Andreas Yes, the problem with [android][php] is that it's almost guaranteed to be no MCVE, because they haven't debugged far enough to know if the bug is in the Android app or the backend, since Android apps can't be written in PHP.
 
@RyanM Yeah, I wondered how they’d even be related...
 
They aren't. That's the problem :D
 
9:12 PM
No jokes, it's an immediate downvote and No MCVE vote from me. Yet, these questions still manage to get upvotes.
 
For example, I asked a question, and the system suggested me 3 tags... only one of them was django, the other were nowhere near related to the body of the question (python and dictionary).
 
I could see a legit question happening, but it's unlikely. For instance, I once had a problem where my Android app was making a request to my Ruby backend, and the backend was only getting part of the POST data. (answer: bug in the HTTP library's URL encoder. figured it out with a debugging proxy.)
 
@Andreas That was a joke :) But the one JeanneDark posted was closed in less that 5 minutes.
 
@Scratte Oh. ;P
 
I've seen bad questions closed in under a minute after posting sometimes. Which is particularly impressive given that questions don't enter the CV queue for at least 15 minutes.
3 people go "oh, new Android question. aaaaaand it's terrible" and vote to close.
 
9:15 PM
@Braiam Perhaps many questions with a similar body were tagged with Python and Dictionary.
 
bonus points for every google maps/mapbox/openstreetmap question tagged . I chuckle a bit when I see these, because I know exactly what happened.
 
@RyanM The fastest I’ve seen is around 40 seconds, I think.
 
Just check my bookmarks: so.dharman.net/tagged/android
 
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Did SO changed the way they calculate impact? My impact jumped from 600k to 800k in coupe months (I didn't post so many new answers recently).
 
Is this really on-topic here? stackoverflow.com/q/63122806/1839439
 
9:28 PM
@Dharman What would you close it for?
 
I know it is only pseudcode but I think it is slightly too broad. I am not sure.
 
@Andreas Eh, you could say about django and python, but dictionary is iffy.
 
dictionary is close to being a meta-tag
 
It's a conceptual tag, it should only be used when speaking about the concept itself...
 
@Dharman I don’t think it’s off-topic. I think I can wrap up an answer tomorrow, though not in a one-liner. The loop should be destroyable.
 
9:33 PM
Sadly, dictionaries is not a concept shared under the same name for many languages.
 
@Braiam Maybe the tag should be renamed to «dictionary/map»?
 
but map in python is something else
Hashmap, maybe.
But it's more than an associative array, because it really does make use of hashing.
 
No, a map doesn’t have to be a hash map.
 
but dicts are hash maps
 
In Python, yes.
 
9:38 PM
Yes.
 
Map is the concept. Hash map is the implementation.
 
How is the concept called in software engineering? Associative arrays (using or not hash)?
Remember, the implementation doesn't matter for a concept.
 
I'd argue that O(1) lookup is part of the concept, not the implementation
but I'm not a software dev so I might simply be wrong
 
> In computer science, an associative array, map, symbol table, or dictionary is an abstract data type composed of a collection of (key, value) pairs, such that each possible key appears at most once in the collection. — wikipedia
 
@AndrasDeak Then the words «map» and «dictionary» describe the concept badly.
 
9:40 PM
@Andreas my point was that it should not be called a map. And it is called a dictionary so arguing about the validity of that name is moot.
 
@AndrasDeak It’s called «Map» in Java. «Map» is the interface; «HashMap» is the class.
 
OK?
 
It’s the same concept, and rather same implementation in different languages.
 
unique-key-collection?
 
@Braiam sets might be construed to be just that :P
 
9:42 PM
BTW, there are two solutions/implementations: hash table and search tree
@AndrasDeak yeah, but the language that claims to have the unique key property should also make sure that the primitive doesn't allow insertions of the same key.
 
@Braiam both sets and dicts do that
 
I see no reason to argue that the concept includes O(1) set/get. Then you’d probably do the same for «List», but both linked lists and arrays are lists, so that’s not correct.
 
@AndrasDeak oh well. Wait, sets don't have key (at least do not allow the user to set one)
 
(the difference is that there are no values in a set, just keys, so to speak)
 
There’s also no reason to argue O(1) for a set. Can be implemented either with hashing or searching.
 
9:45 PM
@Braiam "might be construed". Sets of old were basically dicts with None for every value
 
@Andreas Again, implementation details might elude us, lets focus on solving the dictionary problem ;)
 
@Braiam Andras claimed O(1) lookup should be part of the concept.
 
@Andreas Nah, a dictionary type that doesn't reach O(1) is badly implemented instead.
You have unique keys, how the heck could you mess up achieving O(1)?
 
@Braiam mapping hashes to array indices is tricky
 
@Braiam Not necessarily. You may want to wrap a small array as an immutable dictionary.
 
9:48 PM
that's what you need for O(1)
 
@AndrasDeak Well, do a search tree :)
 
I can't
 
Or copy someone else implementation :D
@AndrasDeak No, what you can't do is to search flowers, trees aren't blurry
 
@Braiam 837...
 
10:06 PM
One can put a Stack snippet inside a code block and put other code in the code block.. and get two scrollbars total. It looks very.. funny :)
 
10:28 PM
On Seasoned Advice can you close questions as primarily onion-based?
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@AndrasDeak All close reasons are standard among sites.
So, yes, you can.
BTW, do someone knows how to tell firefox to not use a set of fonts in client side?
 
@Braiam you can open a question
... so we can close it afterwards for some reason...
:(
 
@desertnaut I doubt you have the required privileges on sites that I should ask them :)
 
@AndrasDeak I believe that's a close reason over on the Tor site too.
 
@Braiam @AndrasDeak That's inaccurate for the site-specific reasons, but correct for the reasons in the first panel of the CV dialog, which includes "Opinion based". The reasons which are on the first panel of the close-vote popup are common across all sites. The reasons which are on the panel opened when you click on "A community-specific reason" from that first panel are, as the text says, community-specific, which means they are, or at least may be, different on other sites.
The common ones under site-specific reasons are "Other" and "This question belongs on another site in the Stack Exchange network", but the selections on the panel opened for "…belongs on another site…" are defined for each site, if they are even available.
 
10:39 PM
@Braiam copy that :)
 
@halfer <3
 
Whoosh! :=)
 
@Makyen I expected the reader to understand that the options under "site specific reasons" were site specific :D
 
@Braiam One would think that it would be intuitively obvious to the casual observer, but... :)
 
BTW, the "This question belongs on another site in the Stack Exchange network" option is also site specific
The default is that specific site meta.
 
10:42 PM
@Braiam I believe I said that, but not the part about the site specific meta.
 
@Makyen Ah, it was on the other message
 
So there is a possibility that Seasoned advice will have "primarily onion based" at least as a site-specific reason. Or maybe that would be an actual valid close reason for Coffee
 
Yeah, that's also always available (except on MSE and MA51)
 
@Scratte I have very strongly held onions about coffee.
I sometimes hold them so strongly I want to cry.
 
@Scratte Nope, all sites will always have that option. They may tweak a site specific reason for something in particular that may be read the same way, but they can't remove that from the list.
 
10:46 PM
@Scratte I believe the "Opinion based" reason, which, unfortunately, IMO, is just "Opinion based", not "Primarily Opinion Based", is available on all sites, perhaps with the exception of Area51, but it's definitely on MSE.
 
I think at least two of you need a little sleep ;)
 
I like these discussions, they have many layers.
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I'll explain the joke
they're talking about onion ... not opinion...
 
@Scratte but...but... I just had some caffeine. :)
 
@Makyen I enjoyed your thoughtful and extended response about completely the wrong thing ;-)
 
10:48 PM
I prefer to feed my onions to Tor.
 
In other news, a opinion based question on Coffee.SE coffee.stackexchange.com/q/388
 
@Braiam I'm going to sign up and throw root vegetables at it.
 
I should too. I’d mention that feces crap is quite expensive in the coffee world.
 
@BhargavRao the hero we need!
 
@AndrasDeak lol
 
10:55 PM
@halfer When you're reading quickly, your mind will often fill in the words to be what is expected. Clearly, I should have slowed down and actually paid attention to the word which was actually written.
 
I was about to head to bed when I was snoopin in, couldn't hold back from laughing like a mad man :D
 
@Scratte As it happens ... at that point, I was actually in the Pub! Back home, now, and not doing reviews. :-)
 
@Makyen that's just how these pesky brains work, alas
 
@Makyen No matter, we are in total abeyance.
@BhargavRao It certainly made me goggle a bit!
 
@halfer As long as it's not total obeyance, that's probably fine.
 
10:59 PM
@halfer Abeyance? Funny word, funny meaning.
 
@Makyen It doesn't help that someone sweep in confusion :D
 
@AdrianMole Just in time to throw your remaining close vote in the room then? :) At least you shallot have to risk getting suspended even if your mind leeks ;)
 
{chuckle}
 
Ah! The Lady of Shallot?
 
If something is Primarily Onion Based, could the remainder be potato? And what has SE got against onions, anyway? Onions are delicious.
Now I could get behind Primarily Truffle Based (previously Too Pungent).
 
11:11 PM
I think you need to ask an allium question?
 
@halfer Maybe you should reconsider. You may just achive more crying.
 
:_o)
 
hoo hoo .. I thought I was the only eejit here ... but I was wrong.
 
11:27 PM
 

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