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00:00
Break a compiler :)
@CodyGray Yes. I just tried the var(--red-050) again. This time with a little more patience, and the squiggly red line vanished :)
@Braiam Yeah, architecturally, it does make more sense to keep them separated. There are only two reasons why you wouldn't want to or can't do that. The first is templates, which have to all go into the header, because they get expanded and generated at compile time, so the compiler needs to see the definition, not just the linker. If you're using templates, then you essentially have to be header-only. The second is ease-of-use for the end consumer of the library.
Why did I suddenly get "We do not recommend deleting questions with answers because doing so deprives future readers of this knowledge."? Am I deleting too much?
@Dharman That message is old, it's more of a reminder to check the answers for any value, rather than discouraging deletion.
@CodyGray Maybe I should dabble a bit into C++ and see what's going on with that, after I finish this project in django.
The danger is, you may never return from C++ bliss.
00:04
Jajajaja, lets see lets see.
BTW, in a while you wouldn't be able to say that linux is C, but C + Rust (assembly is kind of required for a kernel, no?)
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Please help me ^^
Marvel at the high quality PHP dupe targets we have: stackoverflow.com/q/47448893/1839439 One of the answers isn't even in English ... and it's the best one there
@Braiam Yeah, assembly is pretty much required for certain things. I hadn't heard that the Linux kernel was adding new code written in Rust, though.
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@Dharman That one can be translated. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/131150/…
@M-- It didn't make it an answer to THE question though. It's just a random answer.
That whole question needs to be nuked with 50MT nuke
00:11
Yeah, they would be discussing that in a while lore.kernel.org/lkml/…
It's a waste of time to try to save it.
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@Dharman Now it can get downvotes
@Dharman 10 seconds of my life I'd never get back :D
@Dharman You only need 1, not 50, ModeraTors.
@Braiam What is Torvalds's position?
@CodyGray That if they are doing it, it should be enabled by default.
00:20
What should be enabled by default?
> No, please make it a "is rust available" automatic config option. The
exact same way we already do the compiler versions and check for
various availability of compiler flags at config time.
Oh... yeah, that's just a build tooling thing. Rust would have to be installed in order for the kernel to build correctly.
It's to prevent bugs from creeping in if Rust is optin
Yeah, I don't see the point in maintaining two different forks, one with Rust and one without. That's just silly.
If you're going to rewrite things, only maintain them once.
It would be for new code, rather than migrating... if Linux decides to migrate to other language its going to be a royal PITA
and I would have popcorn :D
00:23
With something as established as the Linux kernel, though, even your new features are going to be mostly add-ons to existing features.
Yeah, they have tooling for everything.
I'm honestly not sure I see the point. It almost seems more like the kernel team would be doing it as a favor to the Rust maintainers...
At this point is mostly dabbling into the possibility of supporting a non-C language
"should we do this?" is literally one of the questions to be discussed.
My vote is no
as a non-stakeholder.
I just don't see the advantage to the kernel itself.
00:33
Probably the same of supporting clang and gcc
No, that's different. That's improving the code in multiple ways, and making the project more stable over the long term.
00:55
@Dharman Yeah, that's reasonable. It's also 50% non-English, which is another reason to flag.
@Dharman The reason should be "Not in English", right?
@DavidBuck Dude, come on. You don't have to leave this for me to edit out.
@10Rep Yes, but you don't have custom reasons yet so you can just flag as unclear
@Dharman I flagged it as "Needs moderator intervention", so I guess I'll retract it.
I disagree with this edit. I once tried to translate a post that was in russian, but it got rejected(before I had 2000 rep), and the reason was that the post owner wouldn't understand it.
@10Rep It's ok to translate answers if it is simple enough. However, you can simply flag as NAA if you think there's no value being lost be deleting it.
When it comes to questions we should never translate. Just close and delete them.
01:16
Didn’t we just see an almost identical question not long ago?
01:34
@CodyGray It's just soooo wrong, but they're proud of it, and have put and are putting a lot of effort into changing over to it. Somewhere in there, someone must just really hate CSS.
@Andreas Thanks for that link. As CodyGray said, it's exactly a match to stacks.
@Makyen No, it's not quite a match to stacks. To match stacks, it would need a !important on at least half of the values.
@Makyen Just a different kind of CSS ninja ;)
@Makyen So it’s time to write a Daily WTF article on Stacks, too.
@Andreas It would be helpful if you could also tag with a language so that if readers are not SMEs they can skip looking at the posts.
@Nick That's what the URRS is for. :;
@Makyen URRS?
Is that what became of the USSR?
@Nick Sorry; thought the wordings of the two questions were good enough.
The worst thing about Stacks isn’t the fact that it is terrible, but that SE is so proud of it, the company behind SO. They should’ve known better.
01:50
@Andreas Not sure what you mean? I was referring to requesting a close vote with e.g. "duplicate", If I'm not an SME I usually can't determine if something is a duplicate or not so would prefer not to look at the question at all.
2 days ago, by Makyen
The Unclosed Request Review Script (URRS) (GitHub) (install) adds buttons for searching, additional information in chat and an improved UI in search which lets you sort and filter the displayed requests.
@Nick I thought it was kinda obvious from the question titles that they’re the same, independently of being an SME or not, but you’re probably right.
@Andreas It would definitely fit. Here's a more complete example, taken from actual code on the user Activity page showing the Summary tab:
User activity page; Summary; "Answers" sub-area is a:
<div class="grid ai-center jc-space-between bb bc-black-3 pb4 h32 mb8 js-user-subtabs">
User activity page; Summary; "Questions" sub-area is a:
<div class="grid ai-center jc-space-between bb bc-black-3 pb4 h32 mb8 js-user-subtabs">
With the following CSS:
.h32 { height: 32px !important; }
.pb4 { padding-bottom: 4px !important; }
.mb8 { margin-bottom: 8px !important; }
.grid { display: flex; }
.ai-center { align-items: center !important; }
.jc-space-between { justify-content: space-between !important; }
.bc-black-3 { border-color: var(--black-100) !important; }
.bb { border-bottom-style: solid !important; border-bottom-width: 1px !important; }
The class js-user-subtabs begins with js-, which indicates a class that JavaScript uses to target the element(s). These are rare, and only exist where existing code actually targets the element, not just as a semantic indicator.
So, 1 out of 9 isn't !important.
That’s hurting my eyes.
@Andreas I take your point about similar titles but I do prefer to read both question and dupe before a vtc.
01:58
@Andreas Yeah, it does.
@Makyen That looks really cool... does it have any prerequisites to install?
@Nick Nope. It should work in all browsers and all userscript managers.
@Makyen Do I need a userscript manager? If so, any recommendation?
I remember when I was learning HTML/CSS/JS. I was thinking it would be a good idea to check out some good websites’ HTML and CSS for good examples. I thought SO would be a great site for this, so I opened it up in the web inspector... and scratched my head, and wondered what the heck this was. I didn’t know about Stacks then.
@Nick It’s easy to get blinded by what’s obvious to one self.
@Nick You will need a userscript manager extension for your browser. I recommend against Greasemonkey (significant compatibility issues with many userscripts). The most popular is Tampermokey. The other main alternative is Violentmonkey, which is open source.
@Andreas They used to be ... OK, but that was a few years ago; not great, but not bad. Now, unfortunately, it's a good example of an anti-pattern.
02:09
@Nick Question closed. Opinion-based. ;)
@DanielWiddis :-)
@Makyen It’s not that long ago. 1-2 years. First sentence probably implied it was further back in time. ;P
what is the size of empty class in C++,java? makes me sad, because it asks two questions and has two good answers, each for half the question...
I don't suppose moderators can split a question - i.e., the opposite of a merge - can they?
@Andreas I wasn't meaning that you were learning that long ago. I was trying to indicate that you, unfortunately, were looking at it after they heavily moved over to their Stacks architecture.
It looks like they went public with it in November 2017, so they would have had to have been working on it for quite a while prior to that. From the answer on that question, it looks like they started work in September 2014.
02:26
@Makyen Oh, yeah. :)
@Makyen I wonder how it’s possible to choose such an approach, especially for a company consisting of technologists/programmers, running a Q/A platform gathering the best programming solutions.
@Andreas They tried to ask what the best approach would be but it got massively downvoted and closed as opinion based... :-)
@Nick They forgot they also host SoftwareEngineering?
@Andreas I, honestly, have no idea. The mindset to use that approach requires one to be diametrically apposed to the concepts behind using CSS. I know they were having issues with things breaking with unintended consequences when they were changing CSS, but, really, that was because they kept not using semantic indicators, but did use things which were specific to page HTML organization, and didn't scope things appropriately.
For example, if they were having a problem on question pages and needed to special case something, and for some reason didn't want to apply another class, then they could have written a rule that has body.question-page as the first part of the selector, and limit any secondary effects.
@Andreas For some reason, they completely ignore the sites they have which could be resources for building their sites. I mean, how much trouble would it save to post questions on User Experience about UI design options? It seems like it would be a great way to get feedback, opinions, and options.
@Andreas I've just had 3 suggested dupes in the CV queue to Get battery level and state in Android in a row that are all incorrect. That question is about how to get the current battery level and detect charging state changes. This is about measuring sources of power drain within an app. This is about how much battery your app uses. And this is about power-save mode changes, not charging state changes. Please check these more closely.
@RyanM Woops. I will.
02:41
Thanks! Appreciate it :-)
@Makyen I'm just imagining them trying to ask the questions subtly on sock accounts to avoid pile-on..."So I have a Q&A site that you've, uh, probably never heard of but that coincidentally currently works exactly like the one you're on now..."
@Makyen I don’t think they value the feedback they get, based on their participation on Meta, or lack of. There’s only a few employees I see that actually seem to care. It’s as if they think they always know better than all else.
@RyanM :)
With all the criticism they’ve received, and the way that the community has been labelled as unfriendly, maybe they just don’t want our input.
Weird how the ones that do listen to the community roll out the best-received features...
Maybe there's something to that.
Likely.
02:46
@Andreas There's been a series of feedback-loops that have resulted in many SE employees becoming quite shy of interacting with Meta. There are things that can be done on both sides to improve the situation, but it doesn't have an easy resolution.
New policy: all new features are rolled out on sqa.stackexchange.com first
@RyanM :)
@RyanM That's actually my company's general policy. We use all the things before the public gets them. It's fun having many more BSOD's than normal.
@DanielWiddis looks at phone running beta software Yep, same.
@Makyen I don’t think I’ve seen enough of those.
03:48
Do you know of any canonical question about C-strings? There are a lot of questions that shows that OP does not know about how nul termination works and that this is the primary problem, but I rarely find a good dup for them.
@klutt Would be helpful to know the specific question. Found this but it may be too technical for someone who doesn't understand the basics. stackoverflow.com/questions/58526131/…
@DanielWiddis Yep, too technical. Or at least not enough beginner friendly.
04:04
@klutt This would be my other suggestion. stackoverflow.com/questions/1704407/…
@DanielWiddis Hmmm, In most cases when you cannot find a really good canonical, the best thing is to create a new from scratch.
04:22
@klutt Well, without knowing the question you're looking at, I can't comment much further. The first link was a community wiki answer, though, so I'd favor editing that one if it can fit the question. before creating a newer one.
@DanielWiddis I have a hard time seeing how It could be done, but thanks for your effort.
@klutt You can always just answer the canonical "there's no such thing as a string in C" ;)
Hahaha
 
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06:59
Any second opinion for Need Focus on this NATO question ? stackoverflow.com/q/30742729/965146 .
07:50
@Shree Are you using some userscript ?
Oh, you deleted that message. Nevermind :)
[i.sstatic.net/HKlOq.png](I faced this problem twice and don't find any answer . I am not using so many US now a days and totally block my experiment :D . Any Idea. I ping you because I see you active and know more about situation. I you feel uncomfortable ignore. )
@AlonEitan Thanks . Not so many . and AF.
I think I post wrong image so I delete previous one. Sorry.
Is this a bug report or a feature-request for meta?
@Shree This happened to me with a US that loaded the questions content in the new answers to old questions queue, so I stopped using it
(NATO Enhancements)
@AlonEitan Thanks . I just see TM dashboard and see 1 more US I used. Review Queue Helper. Now I am totally blocked. 3 US , and response is "To may request" :) . Time to take break . I think :D
08:06
It's a lovely weather outside today, enjoy your temporary block :p
08:29
What you all think of this answer stackoverflow.com/questions/63022940/…
^^Is the answer spam? Cannot decide
@Vega The answer look like spam too (The link title appear in their user profile)
@AlonEitan agreed. Have flagged...
I was hesitating if it is like 'support' answer or promoting answer
Thank you :)
I flagged as spam too
@ArghyaSadhu That is a very strange answer
08:32
@ArghyaSadhu Looks like nonsense for sure
Could it be saved with edit, I am wondering
@Vega should we flag as NAA?
omg, they have 5-6 (long) answers
@ArghyaSadhu I am not certain if it's really unsalvageable :(
That must be close to a record...
@RyanM But the answer is the same, no? :-)
Hmmm, what do we think of this? "special for "special" people, added main.c" when asked for MRE stackoverflow.com/q/63086067/6699433
Quite rude if you ask me
08:42
@Vega yeah, I think it is time for a mod flag, explaining that there are 6 low quality answers from the same users.
@DanielWiddis @klutt That one linked by Daniel was created specifically as a canonical by Lundin. I don't know if you recognize the name, but that's one of our principal C tag experts. I would use that one if at all possible. If you think the answer is missing something, even just a beginner-friendly summary at the top, then just add it in.
@Scratte I'd say bug. It's a regression.
@CodyGray Just missed the window. I already posted it (as a bug ;)
@Scratte I didn't miss it. I can always just change it to whatever I want. :-)
@CodyGray I meant you missed the window for me to avoid making a fool out of myself :D
Oooh, yeah, I think I missed that a long time back. :-)
08:53
Hrmf!.. ;)
@Scratte you walked right into that one... :-)
I wasn't looking at where I was going. No glasses is my only defense :)
@rene Ok, I am doing :)
Cody has a time machine and already took care of my future flag
@Vega All moderators have that. It even works retroactively.. so anyone that actually is a moderator can go back and ensure it.
But on the topic of regression, I think Make the new popups when hovering over votes less intrusive is missing the "bug" tag.
It's related to Add a delay on new style tooltips where I made a snarky but honest comment about voting less..
09:15
I can't stand it any more! Can someone please explain NATO to me?
North Atlantic Treaty Organization
New Answer To Old question.. :) It should have been LATO if you ask me.
@Scratte thank you so much! I have @Andreas answer stuck in my head and have been trying to figure it out in this context for ages...
@Scratte :D
It's a horrible initialism, because it leaves off one of the critical words...
I refuse to remember it, and I also always read it as North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
09:18
Indeed, if it had been NATOQ I probably could have worked it out.
@CodyGray I love all abbreviations of course, and I would have intensely hated using the full term: Late Answer..
@Scratte I took care of this.
@CodyGray Thank you. I noticed :)
@Scratte Is that sarcasm? I thought you shared my hatred of acronyms?
@CodyGray YSKBN.. IJK :)
You Should Know By Now.. I'm Just Kidding :)
09:21
Amazingly... I figured that out just from the initials.
I might be getting better at this
Or you're just fooling yourself, since I'm easy to read.. If I remember all the words, that is. Though I did notice rubbing that off on you once.
Ooops.. :)
Why oops?
What'd you do now?!?
09:36
@CodyGray I used to be a pl/sql developer, so I saw what I "wanted to" see. It doesn't actually say pl/sql anywhere. It says "psql".
But if it was my Question, I'd add a "PL/pgSQL" and a "postgresql" tag. And.. I'd post the definition for the "user_star_raider" table. Unless there's a typo and they accidentally shortened the "user_star" table.
Purring Leopard/Structured Query Language?
Oh, apparently it stands for Procedural Language
Blech, Oracle.
yeah, Oracle and pl/sql ... nightmares come back ....
I actually like pl/sql :) Of course now.. it's all Java in the database.
I'm not very fond of that Question though..
@Scratte So you are a SQL expert like @rene?
@CodyGray No.. not like rene. And sometimes my brain melts on a simple SQL, but Dharman sets me straight ;)
09:49
@Scratte Hmm. So... you used to be a PL/SQL developer, but not a very good one?
Brain melting sounds like a serious occupational hazard.
This question was edited to mention that vba is not "allowed". Doesn't it make the question off-topic?
@Vega Some people think that writing Excel formulae is on-topic for SO. I am not one of those people, but I haven't yet wanted to start a fight with the other side...
@CodyGray I've never had the impression I wasn't a very good one. I'm not very forgiving in peer review and I've always learned from my own mistakes. Making increasingly less over the years. Apparently some developers didn't like it if their developer tickets ended on my review-list.
@Scratte :-)
I've even once scolded someone for, during review, missing something I should have done better..
09:56
Oohh, that sounds like me.
I would occasionally make intentional mistakes, just to see if the people I was teaching would catch it and correct me.
Not everyone liked that....
I never did that, but it's a good idea :) I mean what's the point if people don't actually look for things that could/should be improved?
@Scratte The typical reactions were either (A) you're the teacher! you're not allowed to make mistakes! or (B) you're the teacher! I can't correct you! (Both of those reactions were, of course, wrong.)
Another popular reaction was (C) you're an obnoxious jerk. (That was... less wrong.)
lol! I used to nag one to test their own stuff before pushing it. I think it only worked at the end due to 1. Me being persistently annoying and 2. Updating the ticket system with full reports about all the things that didn't work.. and not fixing any of it.
10:27
Is this unkind?
Yes. Someone else had already flagged.
I came by it from meta.. quite a detour I should say
10:41
@Scratte I'm going to take credit for boosting your participation there.
@CodyGray It seems to be a little more defined in C++...though basically very similar, yes
Imagine that, eh? C++ is a more well-defined language than Java!
The JLS is pretty great, though...unusually approachable for a language spec
@CodyGray It was a completely different post :D Oddly enough I have enough votes for a Silver badge or two on meta. Just not enough Answers :D
10:52
@Dharman What's this one a duplicate of? It doesn't have a comment to that effect, or any votes.
11:28
It's nice to see some positive-minded folks hanging around Stack Overflow...like this anonymous person, who, in the last 22 pages of reviews, hasn't rejected a single suggested edit that wasn't an audit
They did, on page 23, reject an edit that added "you are a idiot" to the post.
@RyanM I ran out of votes and it didn't leave the comment. On a second thought let's leave it open. @Makyen please move my request out
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
Great, rate-limited again. I guess this is why normal people sleep?
Just me or the achievements drop down was also modified? Seems to have lost the padding...
@Braiam I think the padding is there, but the dropdown is broader
11:41
@RyanM Is there a slight hint of sarcasm there?
@Scratte Maybe just a little...I did flag it :-)
@RyanM Yesterday I found a spring 500+ user doing 10 reviews a minute. I went to check and didn't find a bad one.
My favorite is the spam edit they approved...fortunately, two other users got it right...but then the OP of the post approved it anyway...and then noticed it was spam and edited it back out...
@Scratte This person is going faster, and they are, in fact, making many mistakes :-)
@RyanM But still.. 6 seconds per review including loading. I was sort of disappointed when I didn't find a bad one.
They approved an edit that simply added this to a post, with an edit summary of "well u did PUT css which i DO NOT want":
> \

well here i do not use css so sorry
11:51
That doesn't even make sense.
@Scratte In some fairness, the question did ask how to do it without CSS
And no, I haven't just identified which user I'm talking about here, because two users approved that edit...
@desertnaut Not really sure if that question needs any code.
@Andreas when asking "How can I create a new network, with the same weights as the first, but [...]", arguably you should include the code for that "first" network
otherwise you oblige possible respondents to write a mini-tutorial from scratch
running the risk to get the response "oh thanks, but in my case [which is this and that] this does not apply"
that's why you should clarify exactly what is your case (i..e. with specific code)
IMHO...
12:07
@RyanM Covering all the branches ;)
@desertnaut Not really. It’s likely that the framework/library they use has very specific classes and solutions to this. The «first» could just be an instance of a standard» network» class or so.
@RyanM And.. the edit is still there :D
@Andreas that "could" should be clarified, and not left to speculation & imagination
@desertnaut Maybe. It’s likely very obvious to whoever uses Neurolab.
@Andreas if you think the question can be answered as-is (or is salvageable through editing), please state so explicitly
12:12
@desertnaut I think it is, but I could be wrong. I’d have to wait for an answer to know, but now that’s too late.
@KenWhite Is that about installing some Windows program/tool, or is that about installers generated with InstallShield, for their own programs, failing?
@Andreas I can't tell either, which is why I said it needs details or clarity :-) There's no information to determine what they're actually doing.
@Andreas Docker questions are on topic here, as they're a tool generally used by programmers. There are a large number of questions here that resemble the one you cv-pls'd.
12:29
@Andreas please also notice Rule 11 (doesn't seem to be any recent activity in that Q)
@KenWhite Yeah, ok. ;P
@desertnaut My last request, right? I didn’t notice the activity had passed 7 months ago.
@Andreas yeah - no problem, just keep it in mind for the next time
@desertnaut Yeah, it’s not the first time I manage to break that rule... 😦 I gotta get better at that.
I’d hope the rules could be relaxed on that point, or changed, so that even if a question hasn’t had any recent activity, we could cv-pls it if it has a lot of upvotes.
Why does the number of upvotes matter?
^ that
12:40
Because they’d be examples of good, accepted content.
Kind of content that new members would figure out it’s acceptable to ask about.
Upvotes are often sign of a voting fraud
When I was new to the site, closed questions were useful as in giving me concrete examples of unaccepted questions. I also later came to realize that some things I thought were acceptable, weren’t, because I’d looked at off-topic questions that should’ve been closed.
Voting fraud is a separate issue from closure, @Dharman. You already know what to do about voting fraud: raise moderator flags.
Ron
Ron
o/
@Dharman 30+ votes? Big voting fraud, I’d say.
12:43
Ah, Andreas, you're making the "broken windows" argument. That does actually make sense as a reason to expedite closure.
Indeed. In principle, I think @Andreas has a point re upvoted posts & Rule 11
(posted before seeing Cody's comment above)
You're allowed to agree with me :-)
@Andreas The rules have already been relaxed substantially. The rule for recent activity is primarily to have this room focus on questions which are most beneficial to the site to have closed. The need for that is because we just don't have enough close-votes. While things have recently changed, we don't know what the impact of that change will really be, and it won't be nearly as substantial as the change would have been when 5 CV were required.
Unfortunately I am indeed :(
:)
@Makyen not sure if that answers the concern
@tripleee Since you stopped (I assume?) watching the bash tag no one's dupehammering anymore
12:48
I hope you didn't drop your hammer down into the abyss!
@Makyen If new off-topic questions are coming in as a result of users misunderstanding what’s accepted to ask about, because they’ve seen similar, older, upvoted questions, you’re fighting the symptom, not the cause.
@Andreas But, how do you determine which of those people are going to see and use as examples?
@Makyen You don’t, because it would be fighting it in the wrong order. We take down bad examples to prevent people from thinking they’re good; before the harm takes place.
@Dharman No; not about programming.
12:59
@Andreas And how do you determine out of the thousands of such questions, which are the few that we can handle?
@oguzismail sorry, been stuck in moving houses, but I'll resume my regular activities shortly
Can people who can't vote to delete also suggest candidates?
@Makyen By votes. 10+?
@Makyen It’s better handling 1 cause, than 5 symptoms.
@Andreas OK, then that's 1.9 million questions.
@Makyen We don’t necessarily need to go search for them. It’s not that often I come across old posts with a lot of votes (generally 20+) that are obviously off-topic. Each user could be allowed 2-3 of these per week, or we could loosen that limit, if there’s room for it.
13:06
That is a bad idea. Do you think 2-3 would be enough for me? Do you think I would even keep count?
@Dharman 1 per day, then?
I would much prefer to get a super hammer or inst-delete.
The thing is just that, when one comes across a several years old, highly upvoted off-topic question, it’s obvious there’s not been enough users flagging/voting to close it. The majority of users don’t do this.
No «activity» doesn’t mean no recent views.
@Dharman inst-delete? Is that a diamond thing?
@Scratte Well, they could give it to us too.
13:15
@Dharman I think they did. At 10K. It's just that we always share it with 2 others.
@Dharman I am all for expanding the privileges granted to gold tag badge holders. Instant delete isn't one that I had considered (I'd mostly been thinking around expanding insta-close), but it might be worth considering. However, you haven't earned that gold badge yet, and I'd be very uncomfortable with any other criteria by which we might grant such powers.
@Scratte It has to be closed first
Oh... and if you mean deletion without closure, no. I don't see the point in that at all. I hardly even see the point in that for mods. I only use it infrequently.
@Dharman Why not just inst-close then?.. and then a shared delete?
@Scratte Anything would work. Anything to reduce my frustration with questions like this stackoverflow.com/q/34677564/1839439
13:19
Oh! Did I just agree with Cody?!?..
the horror!
@Dharman Every time you post a PHP question I wonder if I should learn it to understand your frustration or avoid it completely to escape it :)
Avoid it, and stay happy.
@Scratte PHP is alright, but this kind of questions when OP throws a bunch of unformatted broken code and the accepted answer tells you to kill the execution in the middle with another error as a solution is making people hate PHP.
^ Raises the question (again) about whether or not anonymous edits should even be allowed.
13:27
@JeanneDark please do that, I can't find enough questions to use all my delete votes on
#TIL: there is a language for generating images and animations called
@Scratte Cody will now be away for some time taking the required therapy.
@AdrianMole It's his turn. I upvoted two of his Meta questions today.
Fraud! Voting ring!
Users with black-on-white avatars must stick together.
...Because... oppression... or something.
13:31
@JeanneDark Yes, it is permitted. However the FAQ asks that such requests be kept to a minimum. How many is appropriate is really going to depend on how closely people agree with your requests.
@Makyen Ok, thanks! I won't overdo it. I just remembered that specific question.
@AdrianMole Are you out of reviews for the day?
@AdrianMole It's actually correct :)
The OP that accepted the answer even said so.
@CodyGray No - just getting a bit fed up with anonymous editors. Sorry! I'll refrain from passing my burdens on to this room.
13:39
@AdrianMole Well, no, (I think) it's fine, but I'm just surprised to see that you didn't cast a reject vote of your own if you think it should be rejected.
@Braiam I though it might be but it's not my field, so ...
@CodyGray See my reply to Braiam. But there was a whole spate of malicious anonymous code edits discussed on Meta recently, so maybe I'm a bit over-sensitized?
There was?
... or maybe it was an older thread that had been resuscitated? I'll have a dig round, see if I can find it again.
@AdrianMole Yeah, that's why I don't pass judgement until I understand the problem (cue my question about headers in C++)
I mean, I can be wrong :)
@CodyGray Here.
13:46
@AdrianMole "recently" mmm..
@AdrianMole Yes, I remember that. You're a few years off from "recent", though.
@Braiam Time is a very subjective concept.
@AdrianMole I'm in the camp that time is relative
That right there is a very good example of why Brad Larson is awesome.
But I have also come across a much more recent spate of anonymous edits, clearly from a troll, all of which make some derogatory remark about the same person. And often also make spurious changes to code.
I guess it's very hard to moderate anonymous 'contributors'.
13:50
I think that evaluating by its merits each edit remove most of that burden.
Unless there's a pattern of obviously bad edits, I don't look at who is suggesting them.
I hate SO choice of fonts for the chat box... rn and m looks the same!
@Braiam Indeed. But if a registered user's code edits get rejected a given number of times, then that user is edit-suspended, thus relieving the reviewers of more tedious work. Doesn't (can't) work for anonymous editors.
@AdrianMole Citation needed
@CodyGray There are some people with a blue name handing out those edit bans.
Without even telling how long the ban is for, I hear!
@JohannesKuhn that could me more out of desperation rather than targeting an specific behavior.
Unless people are communicated what part of their behavior they should change, the stick doesn't work.
13:56
@CodyGray Citation for the first part, or for the second?
@AdrianMole First. I am not aware of any automated process that suspends editors for having too many of their edits rejected. Johannes presented the alternative theory that you meant it was one of the Bots in Blue doing it.
Then my citation would be: ibid.

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