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2:03 PM
"What they said" in the original Latin
Although... I think you actually meant idem.
 
@CodyGray Many of the more conservative UK scientific journals use ibid in lists of citations.
 
@AdrianMole Yes, they're both valid, but mean different things. ibid means "in the same place"; *idem" means "the same person".
 
Maybe going outside the strict room rules here, but I have just come across two posts from the same user in Late Answers that are plugging the same thing. Here's the second. I flagged the first one NAA and added the "link-only" canned comment. Is this in danger of becoming spam?
 
@CodyGray You’re moving non-completed requests to the graveyard? I thought that was only for completed ones.
 
@AdrianMole You might want to ask in Charcoal instead
 
@Andreas I used the script...
Is it broken?
 
@JohnDvorak You're right. But I thought I'd risk a bit of 'mod-bothering'... ;)
 
2:43 PM
@CodyGray Roboworking?
The first request linked to in your move, is an incomplete duplication cv-pls. Only 2 people voted on my duplication flag.
 
That was fast.
 
@Andreas Oh, the time has probably expired.
@E_net4wasonaboat Someone flagged some comments... I saw it from those, not in here.
How do you flag comments from a boat?
And, more importantly, did you see T-Pain?
 
@CodyGray I thought moderators knew who flagged the comments in the first place.
 
@E_net4wasonaboat Yes, we do.
 
@CodyGray So that’s a thing too.
 
2:47 PM
@CodyGray If it's a boat on a city-coasted river, there's mobile data. But the key word here is "was". :)
@CodyGray Aye, but my boat ride wasn't free.
 
The feedback attached to handled mod-flags is worth much more than the helpful/declined messages.
 
Aren't the helpful/declined messages the feedback?
 
Too vague.
 
You prefer the keyboard mashing?
 
In what way was my flag helpful? If I can't see the desired effect immediately than helpful means nothing to me
 
2:50 PM
It means, "handled by a mod; thanks for your support in flagging"
 
It's the way I learn. It gives me the information necessary to flag better in the future
 
Any flag marked as helpful was... helpful. There isn't usually any more information that is needed.
 
Try: Thank-you for raising this extremely helpful flag. As a reward, the moderator team have decided to serially upvote three of your recent posts.
3
 
@Dharman you might wanna go back and check the replies to your flags.
 
Helpful. Thanks, escalated. Tells me much more than helpful and no effect
 
2:53 PM
Thanks => Thank you for flagging, we appreciate that
 
@BhargavRao I did, and I only disagreed with one.
Thanks for leaving additional information when handling
 
Escalated => As moderators we are useless in this case, so we have escalated this to CMs.
 
Which is ok, and I am finding it really useful to see "Escalated" when I check the feedback few seconds after the flag was handled
I know CMs are really busy and seeing a real outcome might take months
 
I don't see how knowing whether or not it's been escalated is helpful in learning how to flag better.
 
If you expect full written paragraphs as replies to your flags, then you might as well contact Stack Exchange directly who have employed people to reply to the contact form messages.
 
2:56 PM
@BhargavRao Citation required.
 
No, not whole paragraphs. If I can see the effect of my flag then just marking it helpful is enough, but when I flagged something and it is marked helpful and yet I do not see any difference I am left thinking how was it helpful.
 
I sometimes type things. But really, I'm not going to mark a flag as helpful unless it was actually helpful and the site somehow benefited from it being raised.
Typing things takes slightly longer, and so I won't bother if I don't see how it's going to help anyone to know that. Also, there's the risk of sensitive information leakage if I type stuff.
 
@Dharman helpful: "we will be using this post for future contemplation on the state of humanity"
 
@E_net4wasonaboat Maybe a "🙏"?
I can ask the SE team to build that one in.
 
Let me ask you this, what do you expect in a response?
 
2:58 PM
Look, if it is marked helpful with no message and I immediately see 250 upvotes disappear I know exactly how it helped. If it gets marked as helpful, the user is not suspended and no votes were reversed then why wasn't my flag declined?
 
@CodyGray 🙏👌👉🚽
 
Ahh, so you want your flags declined. I can do that.
 
If it was a false positive, then yes.
 
What are you expecting when we escalate the flag to CMs?
 
Just to say "escalated"
 
3:00 PM
You seem to have a problem with "Thanks, escalated" too
 
No, I love "Thanks, escalated"
Please, do this more often
 
Alright, then just assume that the ones which don't have a reply are all "Thanks, escalated"
 
🙏 👆
 
If I don't find any evidence, I'll reply with a "screw you" for sure
 
That is what I have been assuming until now and I am marking them in my spreadsheet with "???"
@BhargavRao Yes, that would also work.
 
3:02 PM
If you see something like this i.stack.imgur.com/Kn7Tn.png then you can assume that it doesn't exist
 
Honestly, it isn't customary that we provide any more evidence about sockpuppetry in response to flags. The whole idea with flags is that you bring stuff you're suspicious about to mod attention, and then you let mods handle it as they see fit with the greater amount of information that is available to them. Flags aren't meant as training wheels for being a moderator or anything like that.
 
I don't want to provide more information than what is needed.
You're flagging sock puppetry, which is something that is sensitive.
@CodyGray exactly.
If you feel that moderators aren't doing their jobs, and casting a doubt on their authenticity, you can always use the /contact page and ask the staff directly.
 
No, I am extremely grateful for moderators job.
I don't want you to leak information or to spend extra time teaching me. If you see no evidence then please decline the flag.
 
I think we do that.
I totally do that. If there's no evidence of sockpuppetry, then I'll decline a suspected sockpuppetry flag.
Otherwise, if it's marked as helpful, you should assume that we found something based on that flag that was actionable.
It's possible that your suspicion about which precise account(s) were involved was wrong, but if there was voting fraud there that your flag allowed us to go looking for and find, then your flag was helpful, and I would mark it as such.
 
If a flag has been raised in good faith, I do mark it as helpful but write out a "nah, no, never" reply.
 
3:08 PM
^ ok, that works.
@BhargavRao Yeah, but I would appreciate it declined. I really do. If there was nothing actionable then please decline it
Otherwise I have to dig through 50 pages of helpful flags to see the message if there was any and try to guess if there was anything actionable, and should I keep on flagging similar cases or ignore them in the future
 
Is this close-worthy? If so, what reason?
 
@Dharman I think it is dangerous to read too much into a single declined flag... here as in any other case.
@AdrianMole Duplicate. Find one. :-)
 
... probably a dupe somewhere?
@CodyGray You beat me to it. Can you add this one?
 
I found one. Then I found a better one.
 
@Dharman But maybe some other user will just not raise one.. :)
 
3:14 PM
@AdrianMole Even your edit links to the original question...
 
OK, that's good.
I could maybe take out of some of those C duplicates now, but nah, I'm gonna leave 'em.
All Java programmers should learn C anyway. ducks
 
Question has both C and Java tags.
 
@CodyGray You did? I thought I only wrote one.
 
Oof. So it does.
@Scratte No... One about compressed red boxes, and another about expanded blue boxes.
 
3:17 PM
^ So magenta boxes get to retain their sizes?
 
@CodyGray I feels like the red one was yesterday :)
 
All in the same day for me
 
Please have a look at this question. The user links to two former questions - all earlier versions (without answers) to the new one. Seems like the old questions are all duplicates of the new one.
 
@AdrianMole No colors are immune from Classy CSS
 
@CodyGray That looks strangely familiar :D
 
3:30 PM
Classy things never go out of style.
 
What's the protocol for a handling a post that's (apparently) written as a self-answered question,but the answer is in the question. Mod-flag? stackoverflow.com/questions/63084004/…
 
@DavidBuck That doesn't look like a question, and it's certainly not clear, so I'd vote to close it, if I were you. What would you expect a mod to do differently?
 
@CodyGray I assume the question was intended to be "How to determine whether a process is 32 or 64 bit?" - I assume the options are either to close if not worthwhile or if it is a good Q/A but the A was in the wrong place to move it to an answer (assuming you can do that without just posting it as your own answer).
 
In general, don't flag things for mod attention that the community can handle. Closing a question is something the community can handle. (No, mods can't move something from the question to an answer. So the only thing we could do would be to leave a comment asking the person to do it, and explaining what Jeopardy-compliance means. You, too, can do that. Or not. I didn't bother. I didn't think it was worth the effort. That's a low-quality post by any standards. I don't want it recurring.)
 
@Dharman I'm sorry, I don't think I can change my way of handling flags for a single user. Let me know if that is an issue with you, I can avoid handling your flags altogether, and defer it to other moderators.
 
3:43 PM
@BhargavRao That's ok. You can keep handling my flags however you feel is right. I understand you can't pay special attention to my flags. I appreciate the fact that someone looks at my flags and I should not be asking for more. Sorry.
 
@CodyGray Got it. Thanks.
 
@Dharman Cool, thanks
 
I really appreciate all the work mods do. Keep doing what you do.
 
@AnnZen What is "clp"?
 
typo
 
3:51 PM
I saw a new moderator thank you for electing me answer once. Are they out of fashion?
 
@Scratte Um, what?
 
It depends on the moderator, I never posted a "thanks" answer, I just posted a comment.
 
I needed the Meta rep...
 
@CodyGray Excuse my incoherent phrasing. Sort of like a Thank-you speech at the Oscars.
 
Thanks to the blurry flower ... I'm so touched ...
 
3:57 PM
I wanted my work post elections to be my thank-you speech...
:p
 
Zing! While these other guys are all talk, Bhargav is all action.
 
@BhargavRao I hear you're typing them in flag replies :)
 
lol, yeah.
 
@Dharman Is there any advantage in merging it? Do we need to save those answers?
 
@CodyGray No, not really. I don't know why we even have two identical questions
I assume it brings more traffic
The error message says whatever the answers do. pretty pointless questions if you ask me.
 
4:07 PM
No need to go all the way to cynicism when laziness will suffice as an explanation.
 
Was the commonmark migration applied to tag wiki?
 
cynicism?
 
You presumed the reason we had two identical questions was because it brought in more traffic. I'd say that's a cynical viewpoint. The real reason is because someone asked it a second time, without searching for it first. And at that time, we obviously didn't have a block on similar titles.
@Braiam Seems like it should have been, but I don't know for sure.
I've seen lots of bugs where blockquote formatting wasn't fixed.
I never used to put > on blank lines in between, and it seems like nobody else did, either.
 
Well, found at least one tag wiki that didn't use space to make a heading, and had to fix it to edit the tag excerpt.
 
@Dharman Most of these SQL «parameter bind error» or whatever the message is, duplicates, what kind of accounts make those? Completely new? Less than 200 reputation? Less than 1000?
 
4:18 PM
@Andreas All kinds of accounts. Statistically most questions are asked by accounts < 500 rep
 
Might wanna create a meta post there, @Braiam. It could probably be that they have forgotten tag wikis (which is less likely), or that their script to migrate to commonmark had some issues.
 
@BhargavRao I asked Ham if they applied the migration to tag wiki, lets see how that goes.
 
Sounds good
Time for dinner, ciao.
 
@Dharman Yeah, ok. Thanks. I was thinking it might be a good idea to introduce reputation loss for a questioner that has their question closed as an exact duplicate. I’m searching Meta for a previous discussion of this.
 
@Andreas No, that wouldn't do anything imho.
 
4:24 PM
@Andreas Most duplicate questions are asked by 1 rep users... it would functionally achieve nothing.
 
@Braiam Hence why I asked. No, it won’t really help against users at 10 reputation or less, but it could help against users with 200-500.
 
@Andreas Not sure about that. Assuming they really really want an answer, losing reputation is probably not a concern. I've seen users with 200 reputation points use a 50 point bounty
 
@Andreas I don't think that is really useful. SO search algorithm isn't the best. You can only introduce such feature if the search engine works without flaws. Often I use Google instead.
 
@Andreas I'm probably missing something, but I've also thought rep gain (or at least points-towards-tag-badge) would be good for people who close-as-dupe (or flag).
 
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio Exact duplicates aren’t hard to find with the SE search engine. There are a few times, though, when almost exact ones aren’t returned, for some strange reason.
@Scratte Happens sometimes, but it’s not usual. It would at least prevent them from reaching a higher reputation (and more privileges, and a sign to other users that this behaviour is beneficial) by exhibiting unwanted behaviour.
@robsiemb Yeah, that’s not a bad idea, especially if it could bring more powerful moderation abilities, independently of reputation (does 50% flags declined or so have consequences?), but it’s not an incentive towards not posting duplicates.
 
4:36 PM
@Andreas Of non deleted questions, here's the breakdown by reputation data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1267240
 
@Andreas Well, its an incentive towards closing duplicates rather than answering them for the rep/tag badge gain.
 
Someone smarter than me, could group that by reputation intervals
... but I'm not that smart.
 
@Braiam Thanks. The «nodupsbyrep» is the number of duplicates by users at that reputation, when closed, right?
 
@Andreas To some extent, its even better to give gold badges, or rather the dupehammer power, to people who prefer to close-as-dupe (and are good at it) rather than who just answer a lot.
 
@Andreas yes.
 
4:41 PM
@robsiemb Definitely.
 
I probably should have used the english truncation for numbers rather than the spanish one...
 
@robsiemb A much-discussed issue on Meta.
 
@AdrianMole That's not... a meta link
 
Fights battle with markdown. Loses. Heh.
 
Oops - edited.
 
4:44 PM
@robsiemb That would only have an effect if answerers are aware of it, and care about it. Then the questions could be roombaed, but they’re still noise in the meantime, especially those that get answers (many answerers don’t know the site well). Also; how many of the duplicate askers would actually know about this?
 
@DanielWiddis The battle is with my having multiple links in my clipboard.
 
@AdrianMole I was referring to myself, actually. Sorry for any confusion.
 
@AdrianMole nice, upvoted :)
 
*searches SO for "how do I put backslashes inside backticks in markdown"
 
Like this: `\\`
^ hehe
 
4:50 PM
I might retract that upvote I just gave on your Meta post.
;)
 
It's not my Meta post, if you're talking about the recent link I (eventually) gave here.
 
Oh. Right. Gives up revenge as a line of work. Decides on piracy.
 
Har Har
 
4:58 PM
Never seen the queen before
 
@JeanneDark: Queen must have been very upset to post in this room
 
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter Manually sent here from SOBotics.
 
Queen isn't very active in here. But is in SOBotics..
 
@AdrianMole: Who manually sent it here?
 
See link.
 
5:01 PM
@AdrianMole: hm the infamous "tp" command
I suppose I have to look at Queen documentation to understand "tp"
 
tp just confirms. The added "socvr" sends the report here.
 
Ah, tp = "true positive"
got it
 
True positive?
 
trigonometric parallax
 
5:03 PM
:p
"toilet paper"
 
I was just about to Ooops my message there. It would also have been Trust Politicians.
I'm prepared for an endless list of possibilities now ;)
 
third possibility?
 
I sent Queen here because I flagged some of the comments, but they weren't auto-deleted
 
@double-beep That whole post seems to have been cleaned up (comment-wise) now.
 
Deja vu
 
5:28 PM
@Braiam The majority are from users at less than 100 reputation, but there’s still lots of duplicates futher up too, from 1000 and 2000, and so on. Here another day, I flagged a user with 1700+ questions and 90 000 reputation for repeatedly duplicating their own questions. Would never have gotten that much reputation if they lost a good amount from duplicates, but that account had lots of questions closed for other reasons too, so I don’t know how they’ve gone unnoticed...
 
6:32 PM
@AnnZen Primarily carbon, with some hydrogen and oxygen... oh, you said "with python".
 
Isn't it custom to have flagged or close voted a post before posting it here?
 
@Scratte :50034976 It's also custom to include a close reason why you think it should be closed. And if you can't vote (out of votes) I've seen that mentioned...
 
@Scratte Unless you're out of close votes ... but yes, spending your own close vote on it is nice.
 
@Andreas Note that that table doesn't include deleted questions.
 
@AnnZen please include a close reason.
 
6:40 PM
Due the lack of the user id, I can't join with the user table to know the reputation of the user
 
^^ I voted on this previously but it's obviously expired in the close queue
 
@DavidBuck If only those 3 votes that had sent it to the queue had been cast within a two week period..
 
@Scratte Indeed, I'd only just spotted that it's been to the close queue on 3 occasions so far
 
6:56 PM
@Scratte I ran out of votes.
@rene Needs more focus
@DanielWiddis I don't get it.
 
@AnnZen That explains it :) I think perhaps it would reduce confusion if you mention it in your request, or in a message right after.
 
That's the same link as in the previous two SD reports. Is this a spammer with multiple accounts?
 
That sounds like a Charcoal discussion
 
7:11 PM
Moved already to Charcoal.
 
@DavidBuck voted but it's too old to migrate to the other site so I ended up choosing opinion based
 
7:33 PM
@Scratte Yeah, I left it so that a hypothetical mod could reverse the judgement upon seeing the flag I sent, which they can't do if there's been an edit to the post after
 
Did you have any particular hypothetical mod in mind? xD
 
@RyanM We have hypothetical moderators? I thought they were all cherished :)
 
@AdrianMole Well I did post it in Samuel's room :-) but also it's flagged, so any mod will do the trick
@Scratte Moderators can be both cherished and hypothetical :-)
Whoa, big dents being made in the flag queue...I had 5 of my 18 outstanding custom flags handled overnight :D
4
including this one for @Scratte
 
@RyanM Lucky you :)
 
8:11 PM
@RyanM Check out SOBotics ... Bhargav is back in action.
 
: 50035596 RO please delete, I'm not so sure after I fixed the formatting
 
@tripleee the double $$ one?
 
@TylerH yes please
sorry, can't link to my own message on mobile /-:
 
@TylerH binned per request
 
8:32 PM
@AnnZen It would be helpful if you can link the duplicate target - if you're out of close votes, then just give it as a comment in the closeable post.
 
I put a comment
 
Stole the words right out of my mouth
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, per request
 
@AnnZen I think AdrianMole just meant a comment on the post itself :)
 
8:40 PM
@Scratte I think we've resolved that, now. @AnnZen You can maybe remove your comment, now that there's an automagic one from my vote.
... or I could delete my auto-comment, if you prefer.
... I did, already.
 
@AdrianMole sorry, i wasn't there
 
@Makyen: how are you getting on with the mod workload? Does it sap a lot of your time, or is the addition of two extra mods making the load manageable in the team now?
 
@halfer Honestly, I'm still coming up to speed. While I have handled some flags, the vast majority of the ones handled recently have been other mods.
 
@Makyen Ah, mod training wheels :=)
 
:)
 
@Makyen Well, at least one moderator has self-reactivated because of the recent election result.
 
9:39 PM
I expect things like the flag queue are 99% trivial, and new mods could tackle those easily, leaving experienced mods with investigations, at least initially.
 
@halfer I don't think flags are trivial.
 
@Dharman Probably not all of them, but NLN and Abusive should be pretty easy, no?
Even if a new mod skips a chunk of them, anything they can do helps out other mods.
 
While I mentioned that I was back, @AdrianM ... I did mean that I was back handling custom flags... I have always been handling the lesser flags (NAA and Comment flags). ;)
 
@IanCampbell This is just a waste of our votes
 
Tbf, I have every confidence that our new mods will get up to speed quickly - they know the culture of the site already.
 
9:42 PM
@Dharman How so?
 
They reasked the same question minutes apart
 
@Dharman FWIW I don't mind - I never run out of del votes
 
wooooooooooot
 
And sometimes a speedy del sends the right message :=)
 
Can you clarify how your del-pls requests are different?
 
9:46 PM
@halfer So it takes around 30~40 mins every day to cut down anywhere between 300~400 of the "lesser flags". By lesser flags, I mean the NAAs and the comment flags. Today I have been handling flags since before dinner (some 7PM) and until now (3:15 AM), and have handled some 80 custom flags.
The issue lies with the 400 custom flags, each of which have the potential to take a few hours or even a few days.
Sock puppetry investigation is one of the easier of the custom flags.
Anyway, I gotta head to bed. Cya guys
 
@BhargavRao That's a fair chunk of time (and good work!) and it suggests that 30-40 flags can be done in 3-4 minutes by a conscientious mod. I suppose it depends on whether every mod is able to put that sort of commitment in every day (and I would not want any mod to feel under such obligation).
 
Mods sleep?
 
@Dharman I'm happy to change my request behavior if you can provide guidance on how these questions belong on the site and how other del-pls requests sent to this room are substantially more worthy of deletion
 
I can do that for them... zzzzzz
Maybe more mods are required, but the pool of volunteers in the last time around was interesting - including one mod who wouldn't do anything. Ahem!
 
@halfer That’s 10 flags per minute = 1 flag per 6 seconds. I’m worried this is roboreviewing flags. How can one possibly make a good decision in such a small time?
 
9:50 PM
@IanCampbell No, I voted didn't I? I am just ranting. I think Makyen told me not to flag these unless there is a bad pattern
 
OK, just making sure
 
> Hi, I have the same question
 
But, yeah I would prefer to let mods speak to such users about this.
 
@Andreas I guess for NLN and Abusive, there isn't much to think about - the default is that comments are temporary anyway. If something is important, it should go in a post.
 
How long would it take to say that that's a NAA, @Andreas?
6 seconds is a stretch.
> Thanks for answering! It works
 
9:52 PM
Takes longer to get the mouse cursor on the delete button than it does to determine the NAA-ness
 
0.72 seconds!
I just measured it.
 
Should take 2 seconds to say it's a NLN comment
 
+/- 0.17 sec
 
The mouse cursor auto aligns, @Ian. ;)
 
Surely Sam has a user script for hotkeys.
 
9:55 PM
@halfer Abusive is complicated. Some are easy to see, while others need an examination of the context. - and no, not all comments are temporary. Most of my NLN flags immediately delete the comments. Other NLN flags are often easy to judge, but one could be fooled if the flag was cast with a malicious intent.
 
For VLQ it takes around 30 seconds, just because I want to be a bit more fair to users. Else if I want to stick to the rule book and decline everything that is not garbage, it should not take more than 15 seconds.
 
@halfer Ermm.. what about warning about a bad solution? Should that be just deleted as NLN as well?
 
@BhargavRao 2 seconds + 1 for the button click. There are lots of NAA flags on posts that are not like this. Posts where you don’t realize it’s NAA until the second paragraph.
 
I've bad comments mysteriously gone missing when they pointed out a problem.
 
Yeah, I was speaking about just the obvious ones.
 
9:57 PM
This is NOT the correct answer. memcpy() does not allocate data, only copies to an existing buffer. While Arrays.copyOf() clearly allocate new memory. — splinux Feb 17 '16 at 17:10
Oh, that one-boxed. Didn’t expect that.
 
This is plagiarism, or am I missing something? stackoverflow.com/a/63093938
 
@BhargavRao I wasn't trying to imply you weren't :) "Thanks you! You saved my life ;)"
 
@IanCampbell No; the source is clear, and it’s implied the poster is not the author.
 
@IanCampbell It doesn't look like plagiarism but it does look like NAA
 
OK, well, it's clearly not fair use, because nearly the entire content of the work is a replication of another entire work which is not licensed for reproduction.
 
9:59 PM
@BhargavRao So while going through the queue, you use 1-2 seconds choosing to click «skip»?
 
But true @Andreas, I don't want to put you off and say that robo reviewing is a myth. I just want to mention that there are certain flag categories which do not require you a lot of time to handle. As much as I hate to admit, robo reviewing does exist in the Stack Overflow moderator universe, and has been escalated to CMs plenty of times. I don't know if it is good or bad, but apparently robo/bad reviewing doesn't make the cut for moderator removal.
 
@IanCampbell Then it should be deleted.
 
So NAA flag then?
 
There's no skip, we just need to ignore the flag. Brad Larson has a meta post somewhere that shows a picture of the moderator queue.
 
@BhargavRao Yeah, we had a discussion about this yesterday or so. Dharman’s canned comments are deleted as R/A from time to time.
@BhargavRao I can try to find it. :)
 
10:03 PM
That might have been a misclick, too. I've certainly made a few misclicks before chat.stackoverflow.com/…
 
@IanCampbell I’d write a comment to the answerer, that as their answer is now, it’s not considered fair use, and the content they link to is not licensed for use. Though; are you sure this is the case? The license doesn’t even allow posting a screenshot with a link, on another site?
 
If I realize that I misclicked, I do create a room with the user and apologize..
 
@BhargavRao Do moderators do other things than handle flags?
 
@BhargavRao «0 messages found».
 
Grr. Get to 10k rep
 
10:05 PM
;P
Too hard. I keep on flagging instead of answering.
 
Also I'm really offended by @Scratte's question.
So bigger Grrrrrr
 
Loving the handling of half my pending custom flags BTW :D
Your return is extremely noticeable on my flag summary
 
I’d be very happy for 1 reputation per helpful flag. :D
 
Bhargav has been a machine today. Like 350 cleared
 
Have y'all forgotten about the tag mess that we handled for the last couple of years up until the huge Stack Overflow mess.
 
10:06 PM
@BhargavRao Sorry, I've never been one..
 
Hey, I handle 400 flags everyday.
 
@BhargavRao Your diamond isn’t healthy for you.
 
I meant: What are the things that moderators do, when moderating as moderators? Are there other things than handling flags?
 
Heh, I still remember Tetsuya's comment on my election nomination about not spending a lot of time on Stack Overflow.
 
Ohh.. burninations, of course.
 
10:11 PM
@IanCampbell I'd recommend stackoverflow.com/help/referencing instead of meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19508/… for advising users who aren't doing moderation activities - it's a bit more focused on how to not break the rules rather than what to do when someone else breaks the rules
 
Oh, I like it, thanks.
 
np
 
@Scratte tag cleanups, answering on meta, handling voting fraud, discussing with other moderators about policies, escalating issues to CMs, checking out new spam waves, answering on moderator teams, ... and the latest, teaching the new moderators the A B C of moderation
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Anyway, I should go to bed. Glad that my parents don't know how to check the "last seen" time on my Stack Overflow chat profile, else I would have got an angry text by now.
 
Good night
 
o/
 
10:20 PM
@Andreas I assume that the comment list is shown to mods in its entirety, with deleted shown, so that context can be easily understood. I concede that some Abusive is more complicated, particularly in relation to who started an altercation. However, I should think that some Abusive is pretty easy, especially in short comment chains - some users are just objectionable and no great investigation is needed.
@Scratte I would personally say no, but it depends. I have seen one user frequently comment along the lines of "WRONG ANSWER!!!" with no expansion, and I think that is useless enough to rise to NLN.
But, see the boilerplate SQL injection warnings that are frequently pasted in the PHP tag - they have the capacity to be very useful, even if they make the OP grumpy. I would expect flags on those to be declined.
Now, I frequently paste boilerplate about urgent/ASAP begging, and if they are flagged as NLN, I think a mod could go either way. They are moderately helpful to the OP, who may be at a loss to understand why they have been DVed, but these messages are not on-topic in technical terms. So if they are deleted, I think it is fine - at least I tried.
@BhargavRao Can we send you angry texts here? ;=)
"Go to bed" {wags finger imperiously}
 
@halfer Yes, but that takes more than 6 seconds to review. But, yeah, some are pretty easy, like «omg a girl coder» (listed in some moderator’s response to asking if there really is much R/A content on SO).
 
@halfer There's no context.
 
10:51 PM
@Dharman I don't understand what you mean. Happy to though, would you expand?
@Andreas Yeah, fair enough. Maybe they should add a timer device so we can measure mod performance ;=)
 
wrong
@halfer And then what ... moderator league tables?
 
@AdrianMole Waffles are never wrong
 
They are already on the editor leaderboards.
 
@halfer Ueh, no.
 
Although they don't have a chance against Dharman
 
10:54 PM
@AdrianMole And medieval stocks for the under-performers {grin}
 
I'm getting confused here ... need mere øl!
 
@halfer I don't think mods see the context of comments. I think they might actually see a single comment.
 
I should check to see if the SO blog has been made with Stacks. The content doesn’t fit on my phone’s screen; half the content is stuck outside the view, and I cannot scroll horizontally. 🙄
 
@Dharman Oh, I see what you mean. I guess there must be a way they can see previously deleted comments though, since they are not actually deleted (and I have seen mods refer to them where necessary when they are trying to cool down an exploding comments section).
 
@AdrianMole You’re actually Danish, right, even though your profile states Glasgow?
 
10:55 PM
They can, but I think it requires them to open a link in a new tab.
 
Ooh, yes please to a Danish
{chomp, chomp}
 
@Andreas It's a local joke! Modern Danish is actually a derivative of (very) old Welsh.
 
@AdrianMole øl mjød
@AdrianMole Euh. Not Norse?
 
@Andreas I did say very old.
 
;P
 

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