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12:06 AM
When is the next phase?
 
The next phase is the election at 2020-07-13 20:00:00Z (in 43 hours).
 
We need 3 more candidates to activate the primary
 
@SamuelLiew Transfer some reputation and a badge, and I'll gladly help. ;)
 
Has SO ever not had a primary before?
 
Is electionbot eligible?
@AdrianMole There was
@AdrianMole You look eligible.
 
12:09 AM
was there?
I lost my Certificate of Sanity.
 
If we nominate ElectionBot, Adrian Mole and Rick Astley then we will have primaries
 
@ElectionBot alive
 
@AnnZen I'm here, aren't I?
 
What is my candidate score?
 
@AnnZen You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you are missing the required badge: Convention. If you really must know, your candidate score is 22 (out of 40).
 
12:13 AM
@Dharman Every on-site election has had a primary, the 2016 and 2017 elections had joint second-lowest at 12 candidates with last years being 11
 
What is my sanity score?
 
Did the failed audit with a bug add to my failed audit history?
 
What is my IQ?
 
@AdrianMole 6-8 out of 10
 
Wow! That's an improvement. :)
 
12:17 AM
@Dharman 6-8 out of 10 IQ. Not bad!
 
The average IQ of a population is 100 ... except in the USA.
 
@AdrianMole 98. ;)
 
where it's significantly lower
 
I didn't say that.
 
I did :p
 
12:19 AM
@AdrianMole Don't worry. It's only going up from now on.
 
Is that good?
@AnnZen Yes. But don't worry - just don't fail another. (If you do, and its another dodgy one, just raise it on Meta again, and a Mod can lift your ban.)
 
If it brings science into public interest again, then yes.
 
Are failed audits public?
 
@AnnZen If you post about them on Meta.
 
Yes, but only with a bit of digging around.
... or maybe not. Forgot.
 
12:25 AM
I think they are
but they're really hard to find
 
Review history is public, but I don't think audits are listed in the profiles.
 
I thought they were but only known goods
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is currently in the nomination phase with 7 candidates. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
 
2 hours later…
2:45 AM
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is currently in the nomination phase with 7 candidates. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
2:59 AM
Maybe you don't need to post that if you were the last entity to post...
 
3:11 AM
it shouldn't, it's a bug
copy-pasted some code and forgot to change the variable name
 
3:56 AM
@AnnZen All audits are public, for example, you nailed this one.
 
I wrote a mod tool userscript to pull failed audits from all queues in the past 30 days, and can filter by a single user/id. If you ever want to find out which ones you've failed recently without going through your review history, you can ping me in the Bad Stack Overflow Reviews room
 
I'll be surprised if there isn't a Data.SE query to find older ones.
 
4:34 AM
@Dharman "Stack Overflow is like an encyclopedia, so we prefer to omit these types of phrases. It is assumed that everyone here is trying to be helpful."
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@Dharman This kind of thing needs to go in your nomination...
That's exactly what we want mods doing and thinking like.
@CodyGray Perhaps replace "these types of phrases" with "chit-chat and other interpersonal messages". I dunno. Author's choice.
 
5:33 AM
lol
 
6:07 AM
Shog always liked calling them "phatic responses".
 
@Catija That sounds more like a Meg thing than a Shog thing. I like it either way, though.
 
Nah. He used it long before he met her.
 
 
1 hour later…
7:27 AM
@ElectionBot help
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- how does the election work
- who are the candidates
- how to nominate
- how to vote
- how to decide who to vote for
- why should I be a moderator
- are moderators paid
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting
- when is the election ending
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are moderation badges
- what are participation badges
- what are editing badges
 
- how to vote
 
how to vote
 
You cannot vote yet. In the meantime you can read and comment on the candidates' nominations, as well as read the candidates' answers to your questions to find out more. Don't forget to come back in 36 hours to also vote in the actual election phase!
 
8:17 AM
how does the election work
 
An election is where users nominate themselves as candidates for the role of diamond ♦ moderator, and users with at least 150 reputation can vote for them.
 
who are the candidates
 
Currently there are 7 candidates: Makyen, noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ, Yvette, Travis J, Machavity, Dharman, Tschallacka
 
what are participation badges
 
The 6 participation badges are: Constituent, Convention, Enthusiast, Investor, Quorum, Yearling.
 
8:18 AM
are moderators paid
 
Elected ♦ moderators is an entirely voluntary role, and they are not paid by Stack Exchange.
 
8:31 AM
not even a mug or cap or t-shirt.
or slap in the face.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre your fault for not getting your diamond sooner :p
 
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I mean, you kinda do :P
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre You haven't gotten yours? I got several of them this past year.
 
And your glasses are still in one piece?
 
Mmm... they were held together by tape for a while there
 
8:56 AM
@CodyGray If you don't mind I will start using it.
 
@Dharman Go ahead. No attribution required.
The one halfer gave you in the election chat is also good. You can just trim the examples.
 
whom to vote?
 
@DineshKShrestha If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you can read the candidates' answers in the election Q&A, and you also can look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
@DineshKShrestha you also need 150 rep to be able to vote...
 
Zoe
Should really be 180 :p
 
9:14 AM
Why 180?
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is currently in the nomination phase with 7 candidates. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
Zoe
Voting age is usually 18, so 18 * 10. I'll show myself the door :') not serious, obviously
 
9:33 AM
Wow, yeah, that's a stretch
 
@Makyen Thanks. I’ll do a better job next time. @CodyGray I thought I was getting rid of fluff, but ok.
@Zoe SO is still in its infancy compared to the countries letting you vote in elections, and back when those countries were younger, the voting age was higher, so we’d rather have to say 240 or so.
 
@ElectionBot help
Lol, anybody will do. Actually, how many votes does a voter have? Is it 3 or 1?
 
@Andreas or sometimes only the "elite" could vote - couldn't have those pesky peasants vote and all that :p
@ArdentCoder You can vote up/down all candidates if you want in the primary, but in the main election, you get 3 votes for 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice
(unless there's a last minute surge - doesn't look like a primary this year...)
 
9:49 AM
Oh, no. I posted the response to Makyen and Cody in the wrong chat. Woops.
 
Cool. And what, we can even downvote candidates?
 
@JonClements I see you don’t want my vote... mhm...
 
@Andreas since I'm not running - I feel it'd be rather greedy of me :)
@ArdentCoder in the primary yes... as a filter mechanism to just get 10 candidates for the election itself... but since it doesn't look like we're going to have more than 10 candidates... you can cast your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice votes (no up/down in that one)
 
@JonClements Cool. Btw, I'm wondering if it is possible to downvote already elected moderators lol
upvote*
 
If I recall correctly, if there's > 30 candidates, then the top 30 based on rep go through to the primary, then the top 10 net scored candidates (up votes - down votes on the nomination post) in the primary go through to the election and then people cast 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice votes and then the Meek STV method is used to decide the winners for the number of seats available.
 
9:54 AM
@JonClements Make sure I’m part of the elite by the time you run, then. ;P
 
@JonClements Looking at the number this year, was it ever the case that there were >30 candidates?
 
@JonClements at least 10 candidates, primary activated
 
@SamuelLiew Your bot is not talking to me
 
@ArdentCoder I guess it doesn't like you
 
@SamuelLiew I treated the bot like a machine :( I did not value its feelings, please convey my apologies.
 
9:57 AM
@Andreas any reason I should be running? /me is scratching head...
 
To catch your tail?
Or did you get it already?
 
Nah... the pesky thing is as elusive as ever... keeps sneaking up on me as well...
@ArdentCoder Election 6 had 32... and 5 had 30....
 
@JonClements Power. Raw Power. The nuke button. Claiming fake news whenever you’re criticised on Meta.
 
@JonClements Oh, when there are so many candidates and so many losses, won't they feel disappointed?
 
@ArdentCoder I guess that's up to them...
 
10:02 AM
When there are more candidates, it's arguably less disappointing because you had less of a chance to win in the first place.
 
Haha cool, isn't there any consolation prize?
 
Unless you're counting aggregate disappointment, then that might be more, because even if each person is disappointed less, you have to add all of that disappointment together...
 
Zoe
@Andreas back when countries were younger, only rich men were allowed to vote
 
Ooo... if I run for mod I can get "Power. Raw Power. The nuke button" and call everything fake news... sounds awesome... I should try that - maybe if I went back in time 5 years... :p
 
Zoe
10:05 AM
And even that assumes the country had democracy, which lots of countries didn't
 
History lessons were so boring in school, but it looks interesting in chat
 
Zoe
@ArdentCoder the teacher makes or breaks the class. A bad teacher can make something you find interesting awful
 
@Andreas oh look... my travelling back in time worked... I'm a mod now! :p
 
@Zoe Yeah, but it's also the environment. Schools force us to learn, but in chat/talk it's our will to participate or not :P
 
@Zoe Then it’s time for us to only allow men rich on reputation to vote.
@JonClements You are now great again.
 
10:13 AM
Yup... millions have turned out to celebrate my brilliance... definitely the biggliest celebration ever!
 
Huge celebration
 
Zoe
@ArdentCoder also that ^^"
 
"Schools force us to learn" [citation-needed] I always wished I could force people to learn...
 
Indoctrination?
 
...is a good antonym for "learning"
 
10:17 AM
- but a synonym for «force learning»?
 
@CodyGray Wow, I'm surprised you are surprised by that lol maybe it doesn't happen in some places. If you don't learn, you get punishments, parents are called, write an apology letter, etc.
 
That's not learning. That's enforced discipline.
 
@ArdentCoder Scared into learning
 
Unfortunately, I cannot comment on that lol
 
When shall we start praying for Jon?
 
10:21 AM
What happened to Jon?
 
He went back in time and got himself elected moderator
Can you think of a worse fate?
 
He’s the greatest moderator ever.
 
I like the happy dog in contrast to scary glasses lol
 
I see I am doing my job well
 
Haha, if you have a happy dp then maybe people will be less furious when they are angry with you
 
10:27 AM
That'd just ruin our good cop/bad cop routine... :p
 
Can I just end everything I type with a smiley instead? :-)
That seems easier
 
I think we've established Cody's glasses aren't shiny enough to be scary
 
@CodyGray No, only a Thanks™ 🙏
 
10:31 AM
Umm... so looking at this tvtrope - that's it... those cats have gone too far this time... it's time to put an end to this! :p
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is currently in the nomination phase with 7 candidates. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
@ElectionBot Are you still upset with me?
Argh, since its code is on Github, is it possible to clone and build my own bot?
It's under MIT license
 
11:28 AM
@JonClements so much empathy overwhelms me
 
What are mates for? :p
 
providing snacks
 
12:33 PM
@Mithical offers popcorn
 
12:53 PM
@JonClements Moderators mates? Meh.
 
 
1 hour later…
2:13 PM
@JonClements You were outdone by a cat :D.. you even went back in time to be a moderator, and you forgot to fix this! :D :D
 
@Scratte I'l have a word with my mate Donkey... although he does actually happen to be quite fond of that cat :(
 
So, I guess saying I prefer cats is not a good move?
 
Zoe
when is the next phase?
 
The next phase is the election at 2020-07-13 20:00:00Z (in 29 hours).
 
Zoe
oh xd
 
2:21 PM
That was quick
@Scratte What move are you talking about?
 
@Scratte The ones I know have been known to chase/attack squirrels from the garden... so might not be the most sensible of choices :p
 
@ArdentCoder The figurative move to get in or out of someone else's good graces.
Or asking for help to move a piano to the fifth floor. Whichever fits ;)
 
@Scratte Are you coming back from a literature fest?
Oh, you're talking about that picture lol I thought you were blaming cats
 
@JonClements I know I was cute as a kid, but I turned out to be a saber tooth squirrel with special Pink Panther qualities. Anything chasing me will end up in really strange circumstances :D
 
Nuts.
 
2:27 PM
Sure you mean acorns?
 
Acornz iz nuts.
 
you're nuts
 
Yep!
 
@Scratte So... I just need to trick the cats into chasing you and then you can solve the problem... sweet :p
 
Nuts, Acorns, Rocks, Mountains.. anything really :)
 
2:28 PM
Peanuts ain't nuts, though! They're peas.
 
@JonClements Not sure it works that way. Instant karma would but you in the mix :D Remember the leg?
 
'tis but a flesh wound!
 
hehe
 
Oh, running away, are we?
 
Towards?
 
Zoe
2:31 PM
Running away from stuff is boring anyway :p
 
2:47 PM
Anyway - demons run when a good puppy goes to war or something? ;)
 
Zoe
:D
 
@JonClements So.. last time I met a cute cat this happened
 
 
2 hours later…
4:25 PM
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is currently in the nomination phase with 7 candidates. I can answer frequently-asked questions about the election - type @ElectionBot help for more info.
 
Zoe
oh shush you
 
@ElectionBot :newspaper2:
 
@Zoe Falling out with the Robotic Overlord already?
 
Zoe
>.>
 
 
2 hours later…
6:45 PM
@Zoe come on there is still room in the nomination page.
 
Zoe
I'm still not gonna run :')
 
so trolling in the election chatroom is good enough for you I suppose :)
 
Zoe
At least I have some standards :P
 
@ElectionBot help
 
Zoe
@SamuelLiew ElectionBot borked again?
 
6:55 PM
Maybe, but Baum mit Augen is back :)
 
@ElectionBot alive
 
@BaummitAugen alive
 
at least Baum is running.
 
Can trees run? Banana trees walk, apparently, but they're not really trees.
 
Zoe
7:03 PM
I mean, apples fall far from the tree, so the only logical explanation for that is that the tree runs away :P
 
welcome back
 
^ +1
 
Zoe
^
 
@AdrianMole Tree have sharp eye. You forgot that.
 
Thanks :)
 
7:05 PM
I think Baum is actually an Ent.
 
:)
 
7:30 PM
Election is election. Personal thought. If Makyen loss no one win. If off topic please bin.
 
@Shree I agree. I suggest to visit every chatroom you can and post: Mak for Mod! Mak for Mod! Mak for Mod at least 10 times.
... then hide somewhere. :)
 
There are a lot of good candidates. Competition will be tough.
I admire people who re-run. Way to go.
 
All candidate are good but I vote for tough and 1 st choice is................
 
Folks who hang out in any of Makyen's chatrooms will know their most excellent and diplomatic style, when handling "difficult chatters" ... this is important, IMHO.
 
I can't wait till election starts... Then ends... suspense is killingme.
You also have to be direct when needed.
Diplomatic doesn't always cut it.
 
7:52 PM
Diplomatic always cut it. "direct when needed" but what's wrong with Diplomatic way .
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Indeed. I've also seen Cody in action in the same rooms. Start of diplomatic and, if that's obviously not working, move abruptly to good, old-fashioned snark. Then use the "nuke" button.
 
I try to press nuke before snark. Better in terms of CoC :)
 
hehe
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Pre-emptive nuke?
 
exactly
and wait to see if the user has the nerve to write a meta post. Rarely happens...
 
7:56 PM
Nuke every one whom you disagree .
 
Brutal but, no doubt, effective.
 
nuke every NAA that needs to go, every obvious spam, every super bad question with borderline link inside. No time to educate those people.
Reserve diplomacy for the cases the user can learn.
People rarely complain of my decisions on meta, and when they do, other users downvote them, so maybe I'm just bragging about not being diplomatic
 
But if someone pops into a chatroom, sees a mod is active there, and starts a dialogue with, "Why was I banned for..." How best to deal with that?
 
What I say is: you can't write a book everytime you make a decision about bad content.
@AdrianMole ah it's different. People always deserve explanations when they ask for it.
 
But those explanations can turn ugly.
 
8:01 PM
But I chose to not give any by default most of the time. Users recognize their errors by themselves most of the time.
@AdrianMole if you're direct & calm it will be okay.
And if the user keeps complaining, delete the posts and ignore replies...
 
Welcome policy that's SE stand for.
 
Hey. I understand, but sometimes a 'conversation' that started out well-intentioned, will descend into trolling. At what point do you 'cut the cord'?
 
I was invited twice to a chatroom with another user who wanted to talk about a deleted answer (that I deleted). First time I joined the room, and talked but BING user created another chat room a few days after and invited me again. I ignored that.
It's rather easy for mods: we can kick someone out of chat, delete comments... the person is quickly going to understand they're not going to win. And eventually it calms down (or you get all your posts downvoted :))
I have a principle (that I didn't always have :)): I'm not engaging with users, never. If someone is becoming aggressive, I delete the comment and stop answering. Replying makes you the bad guy, in the eyes of the community.
Non mod users can do the same: flag and move on.
 
I've already learned to 'walk away from trouble'. Didn't take me too long, actually.
... unless the person I'm arguing with is one of a few 'selected' Moderators. ;-P
 
Yeah, once you get used to it, it's great. I usually have a great snark power, and I used it when I started on the site (and had some rep).
But I'm not using it anymore, because it's not going anywhere. We're not in a movie where the one with the best joke wins.
 
8:08 PM
100%
 
(except in chat, when talking with friendly people, and you can mock them a bit, part of the chat)
in that case, expect jokes too.
 
Who are these 'friendly' people you speak of?
 
Well, I don't usually chat with unfriendly people.
 
Diplomatic answer :P
 
8:12 PM
So you don't mind custom flags on posts where the comments are drifting towards unfriendly/aggressive diatribes?
... or is it better to just flag one of the comments?
 
Good question
Sometimes the whole comment thread has to go. Deleting only the worst comments would make the thread look completely loopy.
 
My first ever custom flag was for just that. I was actually quite upset with what was happening, and felt quite bad for raising the flag. But it was marked "helpful" and the situation was resolved.
 
We have a "more than x comments posted" auto flag too. When a conversation is heated, it's okay to custom flag it. It's just that custom flags take more time to process. Unfriendly/NLN comment flags are processed more quickly
Don't feel bad for raising a custom flag. One custom flag is better than 10 comment flags...
What I hate is custom flags that flag NAAs. When I'm really annoyed, I decline the flag and delete the answer....
 
I don't, these days (but I try not to raise too many). I was new, back then, and quite shocked about what I was seeing.
 
I must say that the attitude in comments has improved, mainly thanks to the CoC. Something had to be done.
 
8:16 PM
I have updated my nomination message once again.
 
We all mock stupid/clueless colleagues at work, but at least we have the courtesy to do it behind their backs :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Interesting that you noticed that.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Speak for yourself.
 
I like badmouthing clueless colleagues, that's true.
But I'm more understanding when people actually improve over time.
But some people don't.
 
My colleagues like to make fun of my cluelessness ... but then they remember that I'm the only guy who can "fix the printer" (or whatever).
 
Not a reason to insult them in the open with "what have you tried ?" :)
Oh, fix the printer, yeah: like "have you tried turning it off and on again?" :)
 
8:19 PM
No! I just tell them they need a new platoon of Scribble Pixies.
 
There's also the "out of paper" issue. Sometimes it's hard to find the proper tray.
 
 
1 hour later…
9:27 PM
My score on SO is exactly 100 times my score on other sites ^^
 
9:38 PM
:) Now you have to be careful to not get any votes...or post a lot on other sites. :)
 
I don't get it.
 
I kept snapshot of my various scores. Best I kept is 111111. Now go for "legendary" badge.
Makyen means: don't touch anything
 
What do you mean Best I kept is 111111?
 
I reached 111111 rep at some point. My reputation was basilcally binary.
 
As in, he took a screenshot when he had 111,111 rep, and still has it
 
9:41 PM
... before some stupid user upvoted one of my earlier posts... Those people have no clue about art.
I also snapshotted palindrome rep numbers... this is futile :)
 
Ahh the vanity
 
Good idea, i'll take a screenshot.
 
your rep is also binary 10100
the hard part is to avoid downvoting random posts just to reach the number you want. It has to appear naturally.
 
I was on exactly 5,000 suggested edit reviews... until I accidentally reviewed another one while showing Lisa my review process in a call
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Do you have a screenshot when you reached 100? ^^
 
9:44 PM
unfortunately not :)
 
9:55 PM
@AnnZen I was meaning that if you wanted to keep your SO reputation at 100 times your reputation on other sites, you either need to not get any votes on SO, or get lots of votes on other site. It was an attempt at humor, which wasn't all that good, and clearly fell flat.
 
@Makyen I got the joke, but the maths are wrong. It's the other way round actually.
 
@Makyen Poor sense of humour -> good moderator. xD
 
i'm new so just a quick question is this just a room where mods give you good reasons to elect them?
 
Don't worry, a lot of my jokes fall flat too.
@EnzoTDZ mods are already elected, so no.
 
okay thanks
 
9:57 PM
Otherwise if you mean candidates, this is the place.
 
yeah that was what i mean xD
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Bad mathematician -> good moderator???
 
couldnt think right
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Doh... oops... right...
 
... another attempt at humour failed :)
not suitable for real life => good moderator.
 
9:58 PM
Real life is a myth.
 
specially in those difficult times.
 
So true.
 
@ElectionBot who are the candidates ?
okay....
I'll fill in for the bot.
 
I've recently been 'released' from furlough and I'm now finding it difficult to be not lazy.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre another attempt at humour failed :)
 
10:01 PM
@JFF-Bot Combien de candidats?
 
@EnzoTDZ this is the proper chatroom to ping candidates (for instance Makyen, Machiavity, Dharman, Yvette, TravisJ, Tschallacka, check election page for others)
@AdrianMole 6 candidats sérieux
 
sept
 
look up "sérieux"
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I was answerer adrian
 
(another attempt at humour, again...)
oh.
I FGITW you
 
10:03 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre There wasn't enough logging to determine why the bot died, although the source of rene's nomination was determined
 
Have the French accepted the international standard QWERTY keyboard yet? Rather than that excruciatingly annoying AWERTY thing?
 
@Qdriqn ;ole: nope
 
... or whatever it is.
 
@Nick I don't want to know who attempted to Rickroll everyone, but that was certainly a very good joke.
 
I love it, by the way. Just that when I'm in Francophone countries, my chat messages look q bit strqnge.
 
10:05 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre That's why I didn't say who it was ^^
 
I'm trained to type on AZERTY like it's QWERTY, on machines running games who don't give a damn about keyboard mappings.
 
Vive lq difference!
 
yeqh, zhqt else
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Ahh... OK. I've remembered what I was thinking. I was thinking 170+ sites (not counting Meta sites) and needing to post on each one...
 
Common dit on 'zhqt' en Englais?
 
10:08 PM
what
 
@Makyen now that's a challenge.
qwerty jokes...
 
@Dharman 'What' en Francais es 'Qua'
 
"Quoi" or "Que" depending on what's after
 
Yo no se.
 
oh, future moderator on spanish SO!
 
10:11 PM
No me gusta. Quiero estoy moderator aqui
 
Suerte!
buena suerte, more exactly.
 
gracias
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre google.com/…
(Just kidding, quoi is correct :))
 
phew 😀 that's phonetically correct. But don't try it at home.
 
@Dharman ser, not "estoy" - what you wrote translates to something like "I want to I am a moderator here"
 
10:24 PM
Which is why I would be a terrible moderator over there
 
actually I'd be terrible, too, it should be "ser" not "estar" (edited just under the grace period)
"estar" is for temporary conditions (like being cold), "ser" is for more permanent ones (like being a moderator)
it mostly matters for words that that can mean either - "estar frío" is to be cold due to low temperature, while "ser frío" means to be a cold, insensitive person
 
10:38 PM
@RyanM One of the best things about the Spanish language is that it has two verbs that mean "to be". Very confusing for English- (and other-?) speakers. I remember a friend taking a course. About lessons ~2 they had the sentence "Pedro is drunk." Wonderful.
 
@AdrianMole ooh, another good example...it's very easy to accidentally call Pedro a drunk.
 
Estoy ibre versus Soy ibro.
... in my case, both are true.
 
@AdrianMole I don't think either of those are words...
I'm gonna blame the alcohol :-)
 
My Spanish is not very good. I can get by, though.
... especially in non-Castilliano-speaking countries.
 
Estoy borracho = I'm drunk. Soy borracho = I'm a drunkard.
 
10:46 PM
@AdrianMole ¡No te atrevas a usar el traductor de Google en esto!
 
Si, señor(a).
 
The variant of Spanish that really messes with me is Argentinian Spanish. "ll" is pronounced "sh" instead of as a consonant "y"
 
I only use Google translate when I'm sober (no fun, otherwise). Or when I'm trying to understand my wife's text messages (she's Lao).
 
and so I do a double-take, because it really changes the word
it would probably be easier if my Spanish were better.
 
@AdrianMole Did you?
 
10:48 PM
I haven't used Google translate in the past hour. At all!
 
@AdrianMole You weren't sober for the past hour? At all?
 
I can 'get by' in spoken languages in many countries. Writing stuff (French is the most tricky, of the Latin-letter languages) is more difficult.
 
Oh, I can deal much better with written Spanish than spoken
 
@AnnZen Make it the past year decade and you'd be close.
 
I have had spoken interactions in other countries entirely in Spanish, though, which I'm mildly proud of :-)
 
10:51 PM
Anyone truly bilingual here?
 
I have been 'accosted' by tourists in a number of countries, mistaking me for a local, and asking if I can speak English. Sometimes I'm helpful, sometimes I play a game.
I even got asked directions, in Barcelona, by a Spaniard. He got really upset with me when I shrugged and asked him to slow down his speech. Probably mistook me for a miltant Catalan?
@AnnZen You seem to be.
@RyanM These days, I can (and often do - lockdown permitting) spend 3 or 4 weeks in Thailand/Lao, during which time I don't speak a single word of English. The in-laws have even started making fun of my 'accent' - which I take as a compliment.
 
@AnnZen Most of us are. (maybe except native English speaking people)
 
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