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5:16 PM
@BaummitAugen I prefer that there be only one. However, I don't consider it a high priority to correct it. I usually just add the newer one(s) to my manual move list and move it/them to the Graveyard the next time I run the archiver. I consider it even lower priority when the question already has 3 or 4 CV (i.e. the extra exposure isn't going to matter that much). In addition, the Unclosed Request Review script handles this by only displaying the first one. Thus, it's even less impact.
I see this mainly as a tooling issue. My plan is that the CV Request generator will be able to maintain awareness of what requests have been posted and inform the user that that type of request has already been posted, and is currently active, for that question/answer. Obviously, this will still be imperfect, as there will be timing issues, but it should improve the situation.
 
Ok, thanks for the response @Makyen. I will delete/edit the request in the future if I notice early enough.
 
@BaummitAugen 3-2 in extra time
 
5:56 PM
"I'm an intermediate developer in Java and decided to make an AI as a coding project" - Yeah, I also do an AI in an afternoon. The next day I fight SkyNet.
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@E_net4 Reject the edit too
@Olaf Lies. Nobody writes AI in Java
 
@Machavity It's just for bootstrapping. Once started, the AI will re-write itself in PL/1.
 
6:09 PM
AFAIK on Android you need Java to bootstrap a native app... What the hell?
 
6:25 PM
@Machavity Java has garbage collection and disposal, so there would be the danger that the AI could delete itself.
 
Ron
I ate too many kebabs.
I can hardly breathe.
 
@MartinJames the only working AI program starts by System.exit(0);
 
Ron
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Lol.
 
@Ron suicide by kebab
Maybe I saved you.
 
Ron
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Carnivore disaster averted.
 
Ron
6:43 PM
You will be surprised that AI is done in JavaScript these days.
Some JS-ish language, that is.
 
I don't think there will be AI. I still have to see NI.
 
7:04 PM
AI is easier done with dynamic lists & all than with C or asm. The problem is not the language, it's the people who use the language. There are some skilled java coders, but unfortunately it's not the major part.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre It's less a problem of the language, but performance. For anything reasonable, you bascially need to do massive matrix operations. You would avoid dynamic memory allocation for this like hell. Not only because of the overhead, but also fragmentation and caching issues.
 
Ron
What we simulate as AI through math and neural networks will not the spell the doom of us all. Singularity probably will.
 
@Olaf I wrote enemy AI in Java, it was okay. But not massive AI I admit
 
Ron
But that's at least decades away.
 
7:12 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I'm not sure we agree what the term AI means. I'm talking about neuronal nets and the like. If you after games: I have do this in Assembler years ago (you know which game(s). But I wouldn't consider this "AI".
 
I wouldn't either, but it was called that
 
I was talking about A* and stuff like that. At the time, it was basic AI but still called AI. I guess it evolved.
 
@Ron Doom? Not in the sense of "they take over the world". But well posibly due to our nature to give too much control to automatited systems. However you call them. See the stock markets and the recurring crashes from automated trading "AI"s.
 
You give too much control to automated systems any time you elect a political representative
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Nowadays, AI implies self-learning. The game AIs until now don't do that. Although I just read an intresting article about Ubisoft going into that direction. I agree, though, the term is worth close to nothing, because it is way to wibbly-wobbly.
@JohnDvorak They are the robots ?
I said "self learning". That would exclude politicians apparently.
 
7:18 PM
@Olaf were there A.I. in "Down to the Trolls" ? :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre "at", aka "Realm of the Trolls". And their predecessor on CPC "Halls of Gold" (whihc happend to have some success in France, btw)
 
Ron
My machine got stuck. Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
@Olaf I always forget that.
 
@Ron Did you try kicking the harddrive already? If not, call the towing service.
 
Ron
Probably a botched update. Hint: Don't restart during a stuck update.
 
7:21 PM
@Ron crowbar + wallet. AKA, hard reset.
 
@Ron Never had a problem with that. On a quick guess: you use Windows?
 
Ron
It happened during the "Rock you like a Hurricane" song.
 
@Ron that's the issue
 
Ron
@Olaf Yep, still on Win 7. It's a quite decent desktop machine.
Are there full system backups on Win10?
 
7:25 PM
Me never make system backups. I always reinstall from scratch when my os fails.
 
@Ron You need to define terms/limits, ad clarity to what you're asking. Of course there are utilities which can do so.
 
(that is when windows fails)
 
Ron
I make full incremental backups on Win7.
Each takes several tens of gigabytes depending on the increment done.
 
@Ron Why would you feel that it would not be possible on Win10?
 
Windows 10 takes less disk space.
 
7:26 PM
The important part is to backup your data. Being able to do a fresh reinstall is a close second.
 
Ron
@Makyen I was referring to the WindowsImageBackup equivalent.
@Makyen I don't feel it is not possible. I am just asking of the direct equivalent to Windows 7.
 
As John said. The rest is harder said than done. And when you perform a fresh reinstall, I think that windows update only update from the latest patches, saving at lot of incremental stuff (possibly flawed)
 
Ron
^ True. Yet incremental restore process takes 4.5 minutes while the full install takes a whole day.
 
no repro. The last time I had to install an OS, it took an hour.
These days I have to rely on OEM stuff, unfortunately
 
Ron
@JohnDvorak Add the updates and there goes your entire day.
 
7:29 PM
eh, I guess...
 
@Ron Or days. Then add in all the applications you use, and their updates.
 
@Ron Who is talking about Win 10?
 
Ron
True. That's why I like incremental backups with Win7.
Pretty straightforward process.
 
@Ron And then you get a "unable to install update"; backing out update, which takes another several hours.
 
7:32 PM
time to visit your local café
 
Ron
@Makyen Haven't happened so far. I did get a stuck update on shutdown screen yesterday though.
 
... or liquor bar
 
I don't think I had issues with updates the last 10 or 15 years.
 
Ron
When working on VM, do you people hit pause or properly shut down the OS inside a VM?
 
I had no issues with updates, ever
I even restarted one, hoping to get a functional system. No dice, it resumed updating.
 
Ron
7:35 PM
I think maybe my SSD is trying to tell me something.
 
If your SSD had a head crash something is seriously wrong, yes.
 
@rene SSD have no heads. Or was that a (good) joke?
 
Since W2K, I have never done a fresh install, (except, obviously, upon first commissioning:).
 
Ron
@rene Lol wat?
 
@MartinJames Why did I read that as "WW2"?
 
7:39 PM
@Olaf :-|
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre What do you think? ;-)
 
I only know rene C# and discussion skills.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre rene asking about full- and half-adders a day or two ago could have given a hint. I've seen C# devs with hardware knowledge before. rare and a close to extinct species, but still they exist (mostly in zoos).
 
What's that highly annoying duck doing on the front page? Has that meta on "We want a clippy-like assistant" gone through?
 
Me I'm quite knowledgeable in software, but absolutely suck when it comes to hardware, adding a resistor here and there, opening an iPod (well, closing it back...).
 
Ron
7:43 PM
@Adriaan It's a April the 1st joke gone wild.
 
@Adriaan Easter duck. Just play the game once, then click on "I hate this duck", done.
 
Ron
I think.
 
(or hatched easter egg)
 
Ron
The hate link makes it go away?
 
7:44 PM
meh, ain't got a mic
 
I don't think the duck cares about that.
Just shout
 
Ron
It's gone!
 
Ron
Hate the duck and it will go away.
 
oh indeed, just let it run, even without mic, and it finishes
 
@Olaf I don't need a duck, I talk to myself all the time.
 
Ron
There is a different duck for meta.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Whatever inanimate object suits you. I just talk to myself, too (yeah, I and I wish you would stop that. It's just annoying when I't trying to read something. Oh shut up!)
@Ron Of course, it's a meta-duck: a rubberduck rubberducks talk to.
 
Just when I thought I was the only one.
I killed both ducks with one stone.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre You ar not alone. Unles we all exist only in your imagination, of course.
 
7:51 PM
Who can tell?
AI makes miracles those days as I recently heard... Wait.
 
Ron
Makes PHP bearable?
 
even miracles have a limit.
 
Ron
haha
 
Only alcohol can make PHP bearable.
 
as a bonus, your php skills improve under the influence
 
Ron
7:56 PM
Best Saturday night fever ever.
 
@JohnDvorak That would require a lethal dose.
 
That's the idea
Corpses don't complain
 
I'm personally using "Chuck Norris debugging". I stare at the code until it confesses.
(not from me, but I like it a lot)
more seriously, sometimes this skill is handy to find bug in SO questions without having to run the code.
 
Ron
I took interest in Arnold C language.
 
there is a request to re-open / close as dupe for this spring-boot question. Thoughts?
 
8:03 PM
@rene isn't that a wall of code question?
 
Ron
@StephenKennedy That's a good find. Although I am oblivious to Angular.
 
Usually I don't consider close/reopen dances to be worth it
 
@StephenKennedy looks very much like spam indeed.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre yeah, I'm, not thrilled
@JohnDvorak same
@JohnDvorak here is context: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308611
 
sometimes edits make questions worth reopening.
(not here)
 
Ron
8:05 PM
We got sidetracked. Can we get back to off topic jabber?
;)
 
Interesting
 
@Ron As you were gentlemen :)
 
@Ron way to go. Don't let SOCVR duties take the advantage :)
 
no off-topic jabber unless we're allowed oneboxes, please. Not worth it.
 
Can I post a picture of my cats here?
 
Ron
8:06 PM
haha
 
Yvette made me post them, but on PetsSE chatroom, where every post must have a photo of some animal.
 
I request permission to post, in response to this year's 04-01, a picture of a duck sculpture being incinerated
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this duck thing is going too far
 
@JohnDvorak declined
 
Ron
It's been ages since I've been to a live classical music performance.
 
8:09 PM
Then I request permission to post a picture of a flowering plant being incinerated
 
@Ron you lost a bet or something?
 
@JohnDvorak post a video instead.
 
Ron
I am talking Beethoven 9th with 95 choir members and full blown orchestra.
 
True. The room rules technically don't forbid animated GIFs.
 
Ron
With an overacting conductor. You gotta have those.
 
8:10 PM
@JohnDvorak don't try that stunt here. Test in on PetsSE chat first :)
 
I try to keep from breaking out in laughter.
 
@Ron classic concert, really?
 
kinda hard to play and laugh at the same time'
 
@JohnDvorak You monster! What have you done to rene?
 
Ron
I highly recommend it. Carmina Burana is also great provided the orchestra is capable.
 
8:11 PM
rene's compost now
 
@Ron Yeah I know what you mean.
 
Ron
I am equally inclined towards rock and classical music.
 
Live music is always better than the same music on record.
 
Ron
And some rmx from time to time.
 
The book is always better than the movie.
 
8:12 PM
lol
 
@Ron Swanlake, the intro. And Nabuco. Hmm, I really should see an opera one day.
 
Specially for "The English Patient" (there's no book, yes!!)
 
Ron
@Olaf I don't like operas.
Only the orchestral and choir compositions.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Seriously: that depends. There are/were bands who were excellent in studio, but sucked live. Others exactly the opposite.
 
I particularly like solo piano performances.
@Olaf: Milli Vanilli?
 
8:14 PM
@Olaf Meh - Verdi is that rusty stuff on copper.
 
Ron
@Nkosi Take a leap of faith and listen to live performance. You will not regret it.
 
@Ron I have had my share of live performances both on and off stage.
 
Ron
Oh?
What did you play?
 
I know we're not targetting users but that post is the same spam: stackoverflow.com/questions/49094275/…
 
@Ron I never attended one live. But there are some parts of operas I learned to enjoy. I refused classic music until the last 10 or 20 years. I'm still not really a fan, but I now can appreciate it from a technical view and like some pieces.
 
8:16 PM
Tenor Sax, Trumpet and flute
I am more into the wood winds
 
Ron
My my, another artistic soul.
 
still play
 
impressive. Playing on stage always paralyzed me (with a few drinks and a sequencer it was alright)
 
multiple spam from both users (probably the same person), yes
 
@Ron I'm familair with iRMX-86.
 
Ron
8:18 PM
@MartinJames Haha, nice one.
 
lol
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre That's not a band, that's plain <unsulting term of choice>.
 
stunt doubles?
 
@Ron funny enough music is what got me into coding. That and the whole maths things
 
@Nkosi Clarinet? lol
 
Ron
8:19 PM
I think there should be a live SOCVR meeting.
In vivo.
 
not targeting users but this user stackoverflow.com/users/3392029/shaun-harris posts the same spam over and over...
 
@MartinJames Isn't that a Freescale (now NXP) SoC? Im familiar with the i.MX, but the R` is new to me.
 
@MartinJames yes but I don't like it.
 
Ron
@Nkosi Oh, how come?
 
I'm downvoting but it may be reverted due to serial downvote...
I've flagged
 
8:20 PM
having played sax, clarinets feel like a step down. lol. Plus we make fun of them all the time in the band
 
@Ron Let's visit Yvettte. There's an open invitation anyway.
 
Clarinet hurts the cheeks
 
@Olaf lol, Intel Real time Multitasking eXcutive.
 
plus all my practical certificates are on Sax so I'm biased. :)
 
@MartinJames They have a new CEO?
Spectre & Co left their marks.
 
Ron
8:22 PM
I can play a few songs on keyboard.
 
@Olaf lol
 
Ron
But gave it all up for computer keyboard and C++.
 
@Ron I don't have the fingers for it (piano/keyboard).
 
@Ron That's so depressing:(
 
Ron
@MartinJames Quite the opposite. I was mediorish badish player at best.
 
8:24 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre flag for a mod
 
@Ron nah should not give up music if you've already invested the time and practice
 
Ron
I've got a jersey finger on one hand.
 
@Ron Yeah, C++ is quite expensive. Buying vocals would be ok, but all the symbols …
 
at the least you have something to fall back on.
 
I love listening to music, I like the idea of making music. If only I had positive values of talent:(
 
8:24 PM
@rene I flagged. There are 2 different accounts (low rep) spamming the same crap. not all their answers are like this. Maybe account hacking?
 
Ron
After the surgery it's good enough for computer keyboard.
 
bars these days always looking for live performances. lol
 
@rene guy has 1 downvote & 1 upvote on each of his spam. It's fraud/sock puppet. I'll flag again
 
@Ron What's that? The one for ordering caffee latte moccachino with extra low-fat milk from east western chinese baracudas, half creamed with scottish highlands cacao flavoured pinapple topping base?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre only mods can tell, no need to spin it out here
 
8:27 PM
Looks my keayboard is broken, too.
 
Ron
@Olaf My foolish past.
 
@rene I'm so happy I figured it out :) okay. I'm sure the mods will nuke those accounts. What strikes me is that the accounts are old. Maybe someone took control of abandoned accounts.
 
Ron
Ah, I'm going to miss you guys and one girl when I start working.
 
@Olaf lol, I will try ordering that in Costa.
 
Ron
Only the ROs might appreciate the absence of my jabber.
 
8:29 PM
@rene: user stopped answering in 2014 (answers are okay) then in 2017 it resumes with only spam. Very suspicious. Never saw that before.
 
@MartinJames Well, at least you (same as me) have enough talent to know you don't have any. If Dieter Bohlen, Milli Vanilli, etc. just had the same talent … (and don't argue "but they sold in the millions". That makes things just worse)
 
I won't bring it to meta, I seem to have lost my meta-force when it comes to questions :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Spammer: 'do you understand I have thousand old accounts at my disposal? '
 
@MartinJames makes you want to hit them with a baseball bat right?
Spammer: "do you realize that this is a throwaway account ?"
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Well, I prefer my machete, but yes.
 
8:31 PM
machete is too clean.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Too mild. Just let them prepare a word doc with 100 pages, and >= half that many images, tables, etc.
 
then print it and smack them with it.
 
If you want to be fierce, lt them reformat it once finished.
 
@Olaf lol, the ribbon controls alone are a serious punishment.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Nah, use the MS-Office format XML (what was the name again?) spec they made a "standard" for this.
 
8:34 PM
good idea. Let them code the document in docx xml directly (opendoc??)
@MartinJames "Thanks in advice!" lol
even the french have a beter englich
 
@Olaf OpenXML
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre lol, yes:)
 
yeah, cryptic binary files replaced by cryptic ascii files. Hardly an improvement.
@rene are you aware of account hacking in SO? because it seems that both accounts went inactive in 2014 then went active with only spam in 2017.
(it's better to hack an account where you can upvote/downvote than to create one)
 
@MartinJames Don't remind me! Had to use that sh** once. I wrote a fine document for a customer. Used an existing document in LibreOffice, changed the manual formatation to template-based, etc. When I was done and all was fine and savd as .docx (also looked good in Word), the colleague got angry because when he changed the style of a heading, all other headings of that level also change style (of course). I had to change back to manual formatting … Luckily it was paid by hour.
@rene Thanks. I should have known it was the opposite of what is actually is.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I know it happens yes. Also accounts created years ago with no activitiy all of a sudden start spamming.
 
8:39 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Not sure, OpenDocument seems to be quite ok. But then I just had a brief look at a small document.
 
others think it's legit, specially with the sock puppet voting...
 
@Olaf there also is a ClosedXML ...
 
Ron
Like those Martian vehicles from the War of the Worlds.
 
@Olaf the docx format is an improvement over the old one. Even if your document is corrupt you can recover it, besides it's just a zip with xml in it. And libreoffice, python... can read it.
 
^ love openXML
I also use it for custom packaging. it is a nice packaging standard when creating your own file formats. Plus the whole zip thing
 
8:43 PM
also, you can create templates of documents (even if the XML is very complex). I used that to generate CD labels where only a few fields change from a delivery to another. Made that an automated process using just text replace in python.
Even Microsoft is improving over time...
 
Like a self contained rolling log file with each day in its own part
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, because we needed a vendor-specific, data format in parallel to the that time existing standard ODF which had a lot of highly precise and portable "format like sheep on the meadow (i.e. Word (18)97) does" specifications.
 
@rene I was thinking about a meta request to suspend, (not a 'suspension' suspend:), all inactive accounts older than, say 2 years. Any user wanting to reactivate one would have to go through an email verification exercise.
 
@MartinJames meh, there used to be a inactive user clean-up job. It never ran to completion as it needed to check so many things.
 
@MartinJames don't let me post that one (good idea), I lost my meta-powers recently. But go ahead.
 
8:47 PM
@Nkosi You are aware there is much cleaner standard with ODF which used the zip-ping so many years before MS even felt the need to move to a textual file-format? Plus it's spec does not depend on the products of a specific vendor.
 
yeah I know. :)
 
@MartinJames that's an excellent idea. You want the links to the pirated accounts?
(I'm pretty sure they were hacked)
 
@MartinJames slightly related: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/296970/578411
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I'm pretty sure you're right. A couple links might be good as examples.
 
@rene so we're not targetting users, since those users already quit :)
 
8:49 PM
what is this duck thing
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I'm not sure we should post that here (or in a public chat at all)
 
Stack Overflow's stupid attempt at an april fools joke?
 
@TylerH Duck-typing
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre stap it. No links to user profiles. Don't push it
 
Ron
8:51 PM
@TylerH The only way to chase it away is to click on the hate link.
 
@rene ok got it.
the mods will take care of that.
 
I really hate that SO talks such a big game about being a utopia for developers and a role model for how websites should be but then does all this opt-out crap multiple times a year
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^ preach
 
@TylerH "this opt-out crap" ? you mean the duck?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre the duck, hats, etc.
 
8:54 PM
What annoys me is that a lot of features are postponed sine die (in 6 or 8 weeks) whereas stuff like that cost a lot in development.
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CTRL+W and it is all gone
 
Ron
Do domestic firms assist with relocations where you are at?
 
I hate that they made a feature called teams and let them exist with only one member...
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I beg to differ dev.sstatic.net/Js/quack.en.js
 
@Ron some do in the United States
but it's on a company by company basis, under the 'perks'
 
Ron
8:56 PM
@TylerH That sounds great. None does it in here.
 
@TylerH well there is the saying "it is better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission"
 
@rene okay, but some other cosmetic changes are denied, like all the time. I'm personally stapping asking/reporting bugs on meta. I had my share of downvotes or upvotes without nothing happening.
(of course the hats and the duck cannot change the behaviour of the site drastically)
it's part of SO hype.
 
@Nkosi that applies more to eating your girlfriend's cupcake than web practices...
 
so opt out reigns
how long have you been in tech? :P
i kid
 
6 to 8 weeks
;-)
 
8:58 PM
lol
 

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