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7:00 PM
@user0042 Shog spooke in a video that he is considering it, that it seems reasonable...
 
@Olaf I updated the version in the SOCVR repository. You can get it from the same links from which you originally obtained it. You can get the raw version of the minimized code here.
 
@PetterFriberg Well, I'm going to tilt my head to the left to be able to follow them ;-) (of course I support that FR)
@Petter Do you have the link? I'm eager to watch it.
 
I think maybe you should be able to get privileged on other stuff then rep, like suggest 100 duplicates that get close and we give you cv priv even if you don't have 3K, stuff like that probably could help, hence not only answer rep, both also moderation activity could un-lock moderator privs.
 
@Makyen Seems to work now. The original link shows up after the script. Thanks a lot (again)
 
Rep not often go hand in hand with energy and capacity to moderate.
 
7:06 PM
@PetterFriberg But maybe with capacity to answer bad questions.
 
@Olaf Great. You're welcome. I'm glad I was able to help.
 
:D, and if you get 10.000 accepted flags they should send you a SO flag...
 
@PetterFriberg Indeed. My rep increase has slowed dramatically since I started editing and curating.
 
@PetterFriberg s/flag/swag
 
@PetterFriberg It's easier to get reps for finding dupes.
 
7:09 PM
@halfer Yeah I pushed to 10K, then finally I could relax and only moderate (which I have more fun doing)
 
But I'm more for getting neg. reps for answering a closed question. maybe with some additional criteria (time between answer and close, etc)
 
@Olaf yeah and answer them with some copy and past ;)
 
Ron
What to do with comments that are rants? Flag or not?
 
Butr we had this like some ten times already, nothing changed.
 
@Olaf That will never fly!
 
7:10 PM
@Ron: I would say so.
 
@Olaf I've seen that proposed, it's always shot down:(
 
@Ron Rude usually.
 
@Ron: You can link it here if you want us to take a view.
 
@Ron I would say yes (no longer need, if not useful)
 
@MartinJames We should link all questions about C and linked lists. Maybe a hashmap?
 
Ron
7:12 PM
Appreciate. Best not to link them as they involve <heavily edited>
 
@Ron I'm seriously split about them. Somehow theay have my synpathy, depending on what they rant about. Link?
 
Yeah just flag no longer needed if you think it is not useful for question/answer
 
@Olaf LOL, that OP is now about to start begging, 'I know what my problem is but I just cant find a way around it'. It's a single-linked list FFS;(
 
@PetterFriberg Sure, a crashed plane will not fly without major repairs. But why not try? YOu know Einstein's definition of madness? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. (of course he was not a fan of quantum theory)
 
This [NEW] button on the new banner is the worst thing
 
Ron
7:13 PM
No longer needed FTW.
@Justin I see it as a job bait.
 
@Justin click once and it's gone... (at least for me)
 
Feels like an advertisement to me, but put in a very intrusive location
@PetterFriberg You mean I have to click on it even though I've visited the page before? Let's try this
 
Ron
It says I should be earning about 55K in Germany.
 
@PetterFriberg \o/ There's an [X] I can press to remove it. Thank you
 
Ron
Which is 55K more than I earn now.
 
7:16 PM
@Olaf You need energy and they will kill it so energy lost, not sure, my advice is use SO to have fun (sane fun) you can all do so much, no need to worry to much...
 
@Olaf lol, good advice, but since the OP has surely copypasted the code from another student or site, is clueless and intends to do no work. I can't see it being followed:)
 
@Ron AQuite low, if you are a seniour. But depends on where in Germany. East G. pays badly (but you get "outragous citizens" for free.
 
@Olaf 'outragous citizens' - is that a TV reality show?
 
Ron
@Olaf I am not a senior. Mediorish at best. I am looking to move abroad though. Can't stand a brain dead maintenance in my country.
Despite the decent pay.
 
7:22 PM
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Q: Do we support [production-support]?

Thomas WellerFor me it's a simple decision, but I might be wrong. production-support Production support is the practices and disciplines of supporting the IT systems/applications which are currently being used by the end users. A production support person/team is responsible for receiving incidents and r...

 
@Ron Gimme the mony I 'll do the brain-dead maintenance.... owait.. I am doing:((
 
Ron
Haha, nice one.
 
@MartinJames I wonder why this is still open. But well. We need more C folks here.
@Ron Where're you headed, if you don't mind telling?
 
Ron
@Olaf NW Europe, Singapore, Australia, NZ, any so called 1st country will do. I don't care much as long as there are nice and interesting projects.
 
@Ron And you are now in …?
 
Ron
7:26 PM
@Olaf I am in SE Europe. A dementia inducing place when it comes to work.
 
What's wrong with you current country? I'm not sure it will be really better in a foreign one (but then … who knows)
 
Ron
There is only maintenance.
 
@Ron How about remote work Homeoffice, etc?
 
Ron
@Olaf Perhaps, I need a change of scenery, I just had enough of the surroundings.
I don't care much about the money. Preventing my brain from rotting away I care about.
 
@Ron Do you speak German?
 
Ron
7:30 PM
Nur ein Bischen
Not really.
I know how to ask for a main train station, tell others if I am hungry or thirsty in German. Other than that it's all Greek to me.
 
@Ron Why I ask: In eastern Germany, it is still problematic with the language, even in companies. In larger companies, less of a problem to get along with English. FOr the normal life (shopping, etc), better choose a larger west-German, possibly with University. Hamburg, Munich, Berlin, Heidelberg & surrounding, Cologne/Dortmund & surrounding are mostly ok. Stutgart… well
 
Ron
@Olaf I see. Valuable info there. Appreciate it.
 
@Ron Just don't expect us to follow the "be nice" policy as practiced here IRL ;-) Actually I'd be careful if a German is overly friendly (and a German will become suspective if you are). That does not mean we don't like you, though.
 
Ron
@Olaf Good to know ;)
 
^^ used my last three votes for that one
 
7:47 PM
@Olaf He's well guided (and his english is excellent) don't you worry (@ron Tell me if you think I'm wrong about that?)
 
@Olaf German cities are dangerous places. The cyclists try to kill you. Walking in the roads is safer than the sidewalks;(
 
Ron
@user0042 Yeah, I got some friends there. Octal ones.
 
@MartinJames yeah but they have the colored brick so you know not to walk in the bicycle path
 
@TylerH You have to go on the coloured brick to avoid getting killed when not on the coloured brick:(
 
Ron
Good night all.
 
7:54 PM
\o Night @Ron
 
@MartinJames The most impressive thing I think when I was in Germany was the cyclists, the young ones at least, could ride down the streets with no hands on the handlebars so they could use their phones with both hands
 
To reactivate the recent discussion about Answers/Duplicates/Comments: I could have had answered this:
%s and address of a single char won't work well. If you're seriously about learning c++ read about std::string and it's (easy and smooth) interworkings with std::istream. Drop sscanf() and start to use std::istringstream. — user0042 2 mins ago
 
One hand isn't too difficult, but no hands is really impressive
 
Also, eventually you have cross a side road. That is a terrible experience. The bikes are all over you from all sides:(
 
@TylerH No hands, is frickin' shit. You can't use a keyboard anymore :-/
 
7:57 PM
@user0042 ha ha, I mean no hands on the handlebars
 
If you have time take a quick look at it's just a few question, show how it's done...
 
@MartinJames I guess it varies from town to town; I was in Oldenburg, a smaller-ish town in NW Germany
 
@TylerH never been to the Kingdom of Bicycles huh?
 
@Adriaan Amsterdam?
 
@TylerH Frickin' Berlin they are all mad:( The motorized traffic I could deal with, but the bikers are insane..
 
7:58 PM
@TylerH that's our capital, yes
 
@TylerH Cambridge?
 
@Adriaan No I've never been unfortunately. I was hoping to but when I was visiting my friends they weren't able to get away to go on any extended trips
I'd love to though
 
@TylerH That may lead to that, that's what I meant in 1st place. Other ubiquitous joke was "See mom, I can drive the bike with no hands on the handle!" Next: "See, without teeth now" :D
 
I'm ashamed to say that I've never visited 'dam. By the sound of it, (the cyclists). I never will. Besides, according to SO it does not exist anyway.
 
@MartinJames It's so nice to use british/welsh swearwords here all the time without being flagged ;D
 
8:03 PM
lol
 
@MartinJames I learned from a friend who's married with a welsh guy.
 
:39263745 Why are you beating yourself up like that?
 
@MartinJames I have a car and I know how to use it! But yes, the cyclists are like a plague. Especially those who think good light at night is for the faint at heat and drivers have to watch them (there is a certain variant of one half of the German population who is expecially good at making their problem your's)
 
@MartinJames I'm just dealing with a fairly frustrating bug
I'm not beating myself up, it just gets kind of tedious stepping through compiled code and trying to figure out what it's doing
 
hah, beat ya
just close and delete the entire thing
 
8:12 PM
@SmokeDetector I'm not flagging that.
 
@TylerH Try Münster (not too far from Oldenburg) that's ridiculous. Nothing compared to The Nederlands, though.
 
@Olaf If I ever make it back to Germany :-)
 
@TylerH . youtube.com/watch?v=jji3H-igdGo (babelfish the whole title!)
 
I don't understand what that video is
yikes
 
@TylerH That better? youtube.com/watch?v=La4Dcd1aUcE (there's an English version, fyi)
 
8:23 PM
@Olaf I took out three cyclists while I was workng in Cambridge The worst was one student whoe was a) Technically in the wrong, 2) Witnessed as beng in the wrong and 3) Suicidal to attempt what he did. I had to pay out ££ for summoning paramedics, (just for a broken arm and flailed chest), suffer violent threats and months of letters from some ambulance-chasing law firm, (which I used to light the BBQ).
 
@Olaf yes I'm very familiar with the English version
never knew it was a cover of a German song
 
 
Interesting I see Cody added a 50 question threshold on the burnation process
 
@TylerH Well, here's the german party. Complain elsewhere :P
@PetterFriberg Could have been because of my fault :P
 
I can't remember our discussion where they not more around 20 @rene?
@user0042 what did you do now?
 
@PetterFriberg Not now, just recently.
 
@user0042 lol
to me the 50 question was high, Cody add it to keep it low :P
 
8:45 PM
@PetterFriberg I was just eager to get rid of that meaningless s**t, ya know ;-)
@Cody is fresh, and very enthusiast in proper moderation. Never experienced them like that before.
 
Feedback sought: this has four close votes already, "no mcve" has been suggested by all four. I am not sure, what do others think? stackoverflow.com/q/46317103
(It's not my area of expertise).
@MartinJames that sucks. I am a (keen) cyclist, but I do see some pretty awful ones out there.
 
@user0042 I did not vote for Cody (since I taught he was more meta and less flag handler), but according to me he is a really really good moderator. He handle tons of flag (when he does he fix all stuff on Q/A), answer meta etc, he may have seem like harsh to you, but again that's why we have'em, only the fact that he did go and edit the meta (to clarify) shows who he is. So yeah he has earned my respect as a mod.
 
@halfer Well, the answer has 'Silent downvoters are not welcome', so well, what am I to do?
 
@MartinJames heh, are you gonna let an answer boss you about? :-p
 
@user0042 anyway that stuff happens, we all do wrong, some harm done, but in the big view of things not much ;)
 
8:53 PM
(Re that answer, I have mod flagged it already. Looks like @pang already edited and that was rolled back too).
 
@MartinJames You were driving a car? Is there no mandatory insurance in GB?
 
@Olaf Yes, and yes, I had insurance. Unfortunately, there is a minimum claim:(
 
@MartinJames Hmm, yes, but that's just some 100€ here (depends on policy), not nice, but manageable.
 
@Olaf The charge for the paramedics was under the minimum claim:( The vast majority of the cost of the paramedics attending comes from general taxation but, for some reason, there is this little fee for calling them out:(
 
@TylerH If the original singer can cover her own song, it is. Actually she made the English version shortly after the GErman was a great success.
@MartinJames Actually I find it pretty offending. A 12k user should know better. I flagged
 
9:08 PM
Wow - a 'gimme teh codez' closed and deleted in under one minute;) stackoverflow.com/q/46353142/758133 Should happen more often.
@Olaf I have no interest in CUDA, or any skills. I would have ignoed it iif it were not for the insulting answer:(
 
@MartinJames just put on all questions ;)
 
@PetterFriberg Ah - yes, the scattergun tags would have done for it;)
 
@MartinJames So do I. Left a comment, feel free to read. Prettay sure it is not insulting by itself. I have little hope it will change OPs mind, though.
@PetterFriberg Is that officially? NP.
 
Hi all! o/
 
Why do they always forget about ?
 
9:13 PM
\o
@Olaf nooo those need to be reopened it's like
 
Hi, genetically mutated tree!
 
@PetterFriberg Are those not synonyms?
 
lets propose it ;)
 
@PetterFriberg But for the sake of clarity, should be changed to .
All time favourite: stackoverflow.com/questions/46353072/difference-between-i-and-i Wow, how many variaoustins can noobs produce? Are these really humans? Or code/question generators?
 
would it not be fun to make for example php synonymy of brainfuck, we just need to convince a few php users :D,
immagine people trying to ask a question in php... and get their tag replaced...
 
9:19 PM
@Olaf That's literally the only question the C++ tag wiki tells you not to ask, and yet it gets ask several times each day. :/
 
@PetterFriberg I'm not sure anyone would even notice.
@BaummitAugen Yes. It should be possible to make an auto-filter for that: delete account for not reading the and redirect to the tag-wiki.
 
@Olaf A bot that auto-hammers everything with 4 or more '+' characters in it would probably have a fairly high success rate. :/
 
\o
 
o/
Make it 2 '++' strings and nearly no fps.
 
Still have to get used to the script.
 
9:26 PM
@PetterFriberg: already done: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/333906/…
 
> at least 3 or 4 a day, specially in C/C++
Booooooooo!
Write "C and C++", enough confused noobs already. :(
 
Just an idle thought: would it stretch the purpose of the SOCVR room too far if we brought edit disagreements here? For some reason I've spotted several hostile rollbacks of my work in the last few days, sometimes it can be helpful for a third party to assess the edit and rollback to an earlier version if they agree.
(I have flagged those particular cases, but in general raising them in an open fora is perhaps not such a bad idea).
 
@BaummitAugen I did not say it should be that simple. Just for C and C++ tags check code between two ; for more than 5 + or -, including two or more identical in sequence. That should catch most of this crap.
 
@Olaf I mean, both gcc and clang have -Wsequence-point or sth., so that would probably handle about all of them.
Tanks.
 
@BaummitAugen Good point, I should check my settings, not sure I used that (but then I don't write such code, so maybe I have it alread enabled - I just use every warning reasonable to me, i.e. most). That would require a mcve. The C tag I doubt there are even 50% with useable code. It would also generate significant load to the servers (not to forget about the potential for malicious code for zero-day exploits in the compiler).
So maybe a small brainfuck (I mean Haskell or PHP) script would be sufficient.
 
9:39 PM
@Olaf One could probably make a tool for that with clang, but then community handles them anyways, so why bother. vOv
 
and again bot's find question to close vote is easy, we can fill this room in 5 minutes, people who review the reports is harder to find
 
@BaummitAugen Have that Mist not show up in the queues at all? But you're right, they are just one of many bad questions, so we can handle them. Also they always provide reason for a discussion how to avoid them ;-)
@PetterFriberg Nah, we are one step beyond that already
 
My point is that sequence points it probably the least of our concerns. Some Mjolnir always handles them.
Main point would be closing the homework, MCVE and typo garbage, then the semi-obvious rep-whore dupes, then the really easy dupes.
The latter just gets handled fairly well anyways.
 
@BaummitAugen "homework, MCVE and typo garbage, then the semi-obvious rep-whore dupes" - are bascially all the same problem: rep-workers . and I don't see much difference between the obvious and semi-obvious dupes; they are both answered over and over by the rep-cucumbers.
 
What do we do with an answer that just copies another answer with a "Worked for me"?
 
9:47 PM
True enough.
@Machavity Flag, either leave comment and flag NAA, or custom flag as thanks comment.
 
Notsure if it might help to find copypasta for answers in the history of the respective answerer and - for questions closed as dupe after answering - between dupe and the answers.
 
No point in plag hunting those guys IMO, that was not their intention anyways.
 
@Machavity Kick gluteus maximus?
 
@Machavity Unless it's copied from a different question, then flag as plag.
 
@BaummitAugen Not plagiarism. Credits the other answer but doesn't add anything new stackoverflow.com/a/46353480/2370483
And mod flag nuked it
 
9:51 PM
@BaummitAugen What? C&Ping another answer as their own is not intended? Hell, wait, just getting 20k.
 
Gone by mod, but repost of [link] tends to work as a flag.
@Olaf There are a lot of "plags" just poorly trying to cite and say thanks.
 
@BaummitAugen So? Ignorantia legis non excusat. "Sorry, officer, I didn't know I'm not supposed to shoot that guy" - "Oh, then it's fine, go ahead."?
 
We had the discussion before on Meta; I personally think telling OP not to post thanks answers and having mod delete the thing is the most productive approach.
@Olaf Na, no one got killed, no one gets rep for the deleted post, just tell them how to do it right.
 
@BaummitAugen Maybe we talk about two different things. I mean those who CP a full answer, either their own or from another answer instead of CVing as dupe.
 
@Olaf I'm talking about "<copy pasta> thanks that worked for me".
 
9:58 PM
@BaummitAugen Erm, that's exactly the problem: they just give a <final product of the digestion system> about such a comment. See stackoverflow.com/revisions/46325775/9 even in advance.
@Machavity What the heck is SEO even? I tried to ignore that, but now I want to know.
 
Search engine optimization.
 
@BaummitAugen Ah, that explains why I don't know. Could hardly be any further from my field and still - kinda - programming.
 
@Olaf Don't get me wrong, I still flag either way. I just argue for different punishment depending on malicious intent and first time offender stuff and so on.
If they were educated and don't listen, mods may nuke away.
 
@BaummitAugen Oh, I'm fine with this. I just think some automated sorting for exact dupes and likeyl would be fine. But I'm afraid the rep-tomatoes will become creative then; it's like a greyhound race.
@Machavity No worries, it is far from what I work on.
 
10:04 PM
@Olaf Yeah, not much one can do about them.
 
Embedded systems should not be searchable at all. Not that those RasPi and IoT lemmings really care about security.
6k reps and still no idea …
 
G'night all
\o
 
As we were talking about it
nite!
 
Me gone too. Nite, afk
 
o/
 
10:12 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Do you have a dupe vote here? I'm out of votes. (Link in comments.)
 
10:22 PM
@BaummitAugen: see, already an "answer" to my last CV. Sorry, I'm out of CVs.
 
@Olaf Nothing new. At least they did not un-Mjolnir for a couple of upvotes. vOv
 
@BaummitAugen Well, let's see, I linked the answerer to meta meta.stackoverflow.com/a/276637/4774918
 
10:45 PM
@BaummitAugen: Just careful, you start argumenting like I do: with logical conclusions. It didn't work well in my youth and it seems to work even less in Trumpotopia ;-)
 
10:57 PM
@bluefeet Why'd you reopen this?
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Looks like a safe source of reps. Just see the asker and the >100 answers, they got almost all their reps from this single question. Not my field, but to me it looks like blatanic OT. Just nor sure if TB or POB. Any idea?
I just wonder how many delvs that thing needs.
@BaummitAugen: From the error messages, that DOS/SQLite thing is at least partly due to lack of POSIX support in DOS.
 
11:17 PM
@Olaf vOv If he wants code fixed, he's gotta post a MCVE.
Otherwise, bug report.
Again, if you have some code you want to get fixed by SO, post a MCVE. We are not going to maintain a msdos port of some library for you. — Baum mit Augen 31 mins ago
 
@BaummitAugen I fully spport you. Will CV once I get my refill.
@BaummitAugen Yes, read that. Also flagged his reply. There's only one being arrogant, no worries.
@BaummitAugen No one will care about DOS for that. Way too many missing stuff in that dead horse (heart, liver, brain, …).
 
@Olaf Flagged it too. Whatever happens, at least I'm pretty much immune to flag bans.
@Olaf Welp, idc.
 
@BaummitAugen Bah! I'm back to few declined flags again after last week.
 
If you want somewhat modern stuff on msdos, you either write it yourself or you pay someone to.
 
@BaummitAugen Occasionally I see such things more like standup comedy. Much like two people fighting for the last bean-can in a supermarket.
 
11:22 PM
@Olaf I'm at 8.1k/14, so yeah. =D
 
Maybe we should call Netflix: "Stack overflow - The series"
@BaummitAugen I'm way worse, but then the first some 100 flags will be, one has to adjust about what's accepted and what not. I just should stop flagging spam (50% hit-ratio - baaaddd).
@BaummitAugen No worries, I will not use DOS, unless forced by arms. (Although in the 90ies I clearly prefered DOS over Windows - was the same under the hood anyway).
 
@Olaf Meh, spam flag is a nuke, save it for "Make $ fast". For "Some library solves it" that happens to be written by OP, VLQ is enough.
 
@BaummitAugen Hmm, I thought VLQ is for (literal) rubbish?
like aldkjhfasofu092u3 4r9ß psadFLNSDOFH09WS8f
And that's the problem: There simply is no common agreement, whatever is said on meta.
 
@Olaf VLQ and NAA is the same these days, only difference is that helpful auto-helpfuls on edit.
Shown to the same people with the same info.
@Olaf That's abuse.
That we can nuke.
 
@BaummitAugen Sure? The subteext for the reason is not very clear. Anyway, I had flags used exactly as you qualified declined.
I'm most times correct with "rude" flags, though. experience, I assume ;-)
 
11:31 PM
@Olaf To Meta if you must, but gibberish == abuse is accepted.
 
REEE
 
If declined, the mod is wrong.
Also, the flag text is irrelevant, the meaning of flags gets battled out on Meta. XD
 
@BaummitAugen Well, unless I get another ban, I don't mind much about declined flags. As I got from my last (and first) meta post is that the time to process your flags matters for ban. Strange thing.
@Compass Hirsch!
 
my eye surgery is successful
i am now a bionicat
 
@Olaf Elch!
 
11:33 PM
(sorry, reflex)
@Compass So that means you have to recharge your eyes ever day at noon, earlier if you use them too much? And get ever year a new pair for some 1000$/€/… ?
 
yes
 
And why "is"? Is it still ongoing? I'd stop posting and let the meds work.
 
@BaummitAugen VLQ and NAA are different. VLQ pushes the post into the triage review queue. If it's not handled in a timely manner by users, then it moves on to moderators. NAA flags go directly to moderators.
 
@Makyen Are there really answers in triage?
> NAA flags go directly to moderators.
Nope, they go to LQQ.
If not handled in 1h, mods can jump in.
 
@BaummitAugen OK. Clearly I need to get some sleep. Too much, or too little, caffeine. Please ignore my last post :-(.
 
11:58 PM
@user0042 @rene @NathanOliver, This request has been completed. The question was closed after this request was posted, then reopened a few hours later. I'm not sure if there's a process for when such happens. My opinion is that we should consider the request completed and put it in the graveyard. Another request can be generated if it's something that should be re-closed.
 
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