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12:40 AM
Off to bed, cya! o/
 
n8
 
1:12 AM
^ spam
@SmokeDetector and also a spam edit on the OP that needs to be rejected.
 
literally just put a global block on the name wingding
 
 
3 hours later…
4:27 AM
\o morning
 
@AjayBrahmakshatriya brews a cup of earl grey tea for @AjayBrahmakshatriya
 
damn @SmokeDetector you always give me green or camomile
!!/tea
 
@suraj brews a cup of darjeeling tea for @suraj
 
^ better this time
does stackoverflow.com/users/4826457/suraj?tab=reputation look like serial upvoting? I havent seen this kind of upvoting of old posts in low traffic tag like ionic2/3 before..
 
4:43 AM
@suraj How do you manage to get 40+ rep almost everyday? since I started coming to SOCVR, I see every question as bad and I can't answer it :/
 
@AjayBrahmakshatriya I find that low traffic tags are less likely to have FGITW problems. I do get accepts but upvotes tend to be lower
last nights upvotes felt odd as all of them are old posts. I would probably reach that rep increase if I had one or two accepts yesterday..
 
@suraj It's not just about FGITW, but the questions are overall bad. Either something very trivial, or some question based on no research (I am talking about the C tag), probably because beginners start with C. It has been so long since I answered a question and felt satisfied.
 
I feel the overwhelming urge to vote to close a "gimme teh codez" question. Now, if only I could locate one to vote on...
 
@AjayBrahmakshatriya Thanks, I feel better now.
 
4:52 AM
@EJoshuaS You know is always there for your needs :)
 
@AjayBrahmakshatriya Yeah, been a long time since I've written C... but, now that you mention it, there ARE a lot of garbage questions there.
 
anyway will wait for today and see if the script reverts it.
 
5:14 AM
Well, goodnight everyone
 
5:39 AM
@MartinJames I'm not silent. I yell and curse at my screen so loudly, the neighbors complain ...
 
5:54 AM
Wow StackOverflow! Always finding means to make me feel bad about my self :/
 
6:30 AM
well boo, Chrome decided to fully block all things flash
without asking me and without giving me the option to not-block everything flash
 
I left when it decided to tell every shoulder surfer my name
 
@Adriaan Oh no! What'll we do when Ming The Merciless attacks! :)
 
@JonClements exactly!
 
Who needs flash these days?
 
I use it for gaming
Also, anyone who has trouble using the HTML5 player in Twitch or YouTube or uses any video streaming service that doesn't support HTML5 video.
 
6:48 AM
Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that the Hot Network Question list has the titles placed higher than the images of the site? i.imgur.com/QfhcJMw.png
 
I haven't yet recovered from the loss of Java applets
 
6:59 AM
@rene I said I remembered 1-20, but I'm not really sure maybe you have better memory, meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/356898/…
 
Ron
Morning all.
If around CEST, that is.
 
@Ferrybig Write a userscript to fix it :p
@Makyen Hey, cant the minimized(bookmarklet) version be changed to document.body.innerHTML+='<script src="..."></script>';, Will also keep it up to date.
Also, does the bookmark way work with getting around CORS?
 
hah, this is awkward. I made an account to play along with the fantasy hockey of the Swedish league. In my password is a question mark somewhere, but pressing the question mark whilst having the password entry box selected (doesn't work on the username interestingly), it gives a popup to show me controls for a fantasy game, but probably another than the one I'm playing, as it's in English and we don't do seasons
 
Morning peeps \o
 
o/
 
7:13 AM
I hope peep isn't offensive to anyone :\
 
8:12 AM
 
@PatrickHofman it's called "unclear"
 
@JohnDvorak Ah, yes. Of course.
 
8:43 AM
You have posted the same question twice.. stackoverflow.com/questions/46360219/… both blatently offtopic. Please read help center .You may end up with a question ban for low quality posts. — suraj 3 mins ago
removed the CV didnt want to target a user
 
9:01 AM
^ is all this for project management burnination?
 
^ That tag (technical-debt) is horrific, but seems okay with sonar-cube questions. Not a very high quality tag though. Maybe we should get if off anything else but sonar-cube for this.
@suraj No. Just found a question which misused that tag, so I started digging.
 
But then again I'd take project-management over null-pointer-exception any day
 
9:14 AM
@suraj We are burninating all project management? Why now? It's forty years too late for me:(
Oh,, ou mean just the tag, don't you:(
 
@MartinJames not sure just wondered after a group of cv req for old posts
 
@PetterFriberg ping for burnination threshold: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/356898/…
 
Thanks
 
@MartinJames makes good money. You do nothing and still gets paid a lot ...
 
9:48 AM
@PraveenKumar why ... I would go for POB
 
Oh... I mean, up to you. Both goes in Off Topic. :)
 
10:08 AM
@SmokeDetector same guy again, flag for mod attention? and
 
@tripleee But same question. I think he posted again because the previous one got deleted
 
10:29 AM
@rene maybe we should be added to the FAQ the self-burnation procedure, something like "follow same logic and when deletion of question is complete remove tags from remaining closed questions"
 
@AjayBrahmakshatriya indeed he did, there's even a comment under the first one saying please don't do this
but it's all gone now
 
I think its just a new user and he is not purposely doing it. Doesn't warrant a mod flag, just naa
^IMO
 
11:15 AM
When I try to downvote on a site where I don't have enough privilege I get "Thanks for the feedback! Votes cast by those with less than 125 reputation are recorded, but do not change the publicly displayed post score." And the indicator immediately changes from -1 to 0. Is there a way for me to undo this
"recorded vote" ? Should I just click on the dv button again.
The problem is I forgot how many times I have already pressed. I don't remember the parity :/
 
Yeah click on it and see if system allows that operation. If not post should be edited after your vote has locked
 
@kayess everytime I click on the dv button, it keeps showing that message. I don't know if it is getting reversed.
 
@AjayBrahmakshatriya if it displays the original value then not
 
It doesn't change at all. It was originally at 0. I pressed the first time and still remained 0. And 0 again how many ever times I pressed
 
Are you logged in? Have enough rep to do so ?
 
11:24 AM
Oh that's what. I don't have enough rep there. So it says it is internally recorded but not displayed.
 
Yep
 
So I cannot reverse the internally recorded dv?
 
No since that's just went to an audit-log-ish something, the public rep point isn't affected
 
I see, I guess then no harm done.
 
Yeah, move on
 
11:26 AM
thnx
 
yw
runs to rob out the coffee maker machine
 
Morning
 
\o
 
1 message moved from SOCVR Request Graveyard
sorry, one message didn't need to go there ...
 
11:32 AM
blames the script ;)
or
!!/blame
 
@NathanOliver It's suraj's fault.
 
@SmokeDetector thanks
 
Ron
o/
 
@AjayBrahmakshatriya that click ends in PostFeedback. Your real down and up votes endup in the Votes table.
 
11:37 AM
Hi all! o/
 
Ron
Hey tree.
 
Hmm really, it's a tree with eyes... spooky
 
Ron
I am so going full Linux even if it kills me.
Yeah, seems like embedded (Linux) relies heavily on C.
 
C pill?
 
11:48 AM
Let me know if it kills you.
 
Ron
Bah, edited instead of posting.
Embedded development with all the bzaz is C mostly. Sadly.
 
@Ron Had to boot my Windows tody first time in several months. shudders
Here, have that pile of updates that prevents you from using your PC while being installed for... reasons.
 
I've been enjoying Windows 10. Although I am turning on WSL this weekend and playing with that.
 
Ron
I am a slow adopter and still on Win7 and VS 2013.
 
It's not too bad if you boot it frequently enough and pretty much required for certain games.
 
user3956566
11:53 AM
thank you for the love, but the question is too broad. — Yvette Colomb 10 secs ago
 
I still have windows 7 at work.
 
My Linux does feel more comfortable, though.
 
Ron
I keep multiple incremental backups and restore every month or so.
Hello @YvetteColomb, how are things down under?
 
user3956566
@Ron good thanks. And you?
 
o/ Yvette
 
Ron
11:55 AM
Cloudy but no rain.
 
What is the chance for meatballs?
 
Ron
Haha
 
user3956566
@BaummitAugen hi eyes
 
Cloudy, with a chance of UB.
 
user3956566
11:57 AM
ub?
 
user3956566
UmBrella?
 
Ron
@MartinJames Speaking of which I did have an argument with a cab driver honking at me this morning.
A rather loud one.
 
must not be a C or C++ person Undefined behavior
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver I'm more of a npe kinda person
 
I see your NPE and raise you a abort() ;)
 
user3956566
11:59 AM
@NathanOliver I see you abort and raise you an outofmemory exception
 
that's what you get for forgetting to run the GC
 
12:17 PM
@YvetteColomb mmm, malloc. I'm so glad I don't have to deal with that mess
 
user3956566
@Machavity I actually miss that aspect of C and C++
 
Ron
C clan is at war with the C++ clan.
 
I don't. RAII FTW
 
Ron
RAII FTW!
 
@Machavity In modern C++, you don't have to! \o/
 
12:18 PM
GC FTW
 
Well RAII is GC so, I AGREE
 
Yeah, all the cool kids are collecting garbage now. Er, wait...
 
Ron
Haha. Roflcopter.
 
user3956566
ftw?
 
Ron
Do GCs in Javaish languages offer custom deleters?
 
user3956566
12:22 PM
RAII is much better than GC. More efficient.
 
user3956566
@Ron yesish
 
Ron
That's nice.
 
user3956566
@Ron it's encourage in certain circumstances and then not in others.
 
12:34 PM
Well, I give them props for an honest title
 
user3956566
lol
 
@suraj Closed. One delete vote cast as well.
@suraj Final project post now closed and deleted.
 
@KenWhite great thanks
 
Ron
@KenWhite I remember your work from my Delphi days. You have always done a wonderful job at keeping the site clean and well maintained imho. Kudos to you Ken.
 
@Ron Thanks, Ron. :-)
 
12:48 PM
there should be some effect if I can find more than 5 duplicates for a question
dunno what, auto-vote delete, remove 2day limit or something
 
user3956566
@SotiriosDelimanolis I'm not keen on deleting dups that have upvoted answers.
 
That's up to you, I'll still bring to your attention.
 
user3956566
9
Q: What parameters do we want when deleting duplicate questions?

Yvette ColombLooking in the delete queue - there's always many duplicates. Now some truly bring no value to the site. They have no or one poor answer (if judging answers by votes) and they won't be missed being deleted. Some have good answers (again judging answers by votes) , or at least one good answer an...

 
user3956566
@SotiriosDelimanolis totally - it would be good if we could have a clear guideline though
 
If they don't add anything new then why do we need them?
 
12:49 PM
Yeah Has someone contributed something useful that doesn't exist on the target question?
the answer is probably not when there is 1 canonical duplicate
the answer is definitely not when there are 5+
search terms either
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver well that's the point. when I was newer I would search and search all the dupes and there would be one answer that I could follow - I'm very literal and struggled in the early days. I'd hate it if they weren't there
 
@rene Thanks for the heads up. Looks like Meta nuked the Meta Q
 
@Machavity I hit an error while trying to run that command; run !!/errorlogs for details.
 
Uh... wat?
 
@YvetteColomb Were not stopping them from providing a simple answer, they just need to do it in the right place.
 
12:52 PM
!!/errorlogs
 
ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'login?returnurl=http%3a%2f%2fchat.stackoverflow.com%2fchats%2fjoin%2ffavorite'
2017-09-12 07:48:41.869433 UTC
  File "ws.py", line 275, in <module>
    GlobalVars.socvr.join()

  File "/home/smokey/SmokeDetector/ChatExchange/chatexchange/rooms.py", line 51, in join
    return self._client._join_room(self.id)

  File "/home/smokey/SmokeDetector/ChatExchange/chatexchange/client.py", line 279, in _join_room
    self._br.join_room(room_id)

  File "/home/smokey/SmokeDetector/ChatExchange/chatexchange/browser.py", line 255, in join_room
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver it would be good to get a community consensus about it - or at least some clearer guidelines on deleting content. I honestly don't think duplicate with good answers are doing any harm on the site
 
user3956566
@Machavity what did you do to smokey?
 
@YvetteColomb It was just a little division by zero. Everybody's doing it these days...
 
user3956566
@Machavity doesn't it approach infinity?
 
12:54 PM
87
Q: Should one advise on off-topic questions?

Stacker-flowThis may be one of the most common quandaries I have when looking through Stack Overflow questions, when the author has written an obviously off-topic but genuine question such as Title Windows Forms Application Classic Interface c# Description I want c# windows form applications but ...

 
@YvetteColomb Depends.
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver @SotiriosDelimanolis questions like this stackoverflow.com/questions/46314235/… are good to get rid of. I just think - there's other questions/crap we should be focusing on deleting
 
There are more, specifically about dupes (I just have this one bookmarked for rep-cucumbananas)
 
user3956566
@Olaf duplicates are not necessarily off topic. There's a distinction between the two
 
@YvetteColomb ^ ^
 
user3956566
12:56 PM
When I was more active on CogSci, there was the attitude that dupes are not bad - they just help search engine results.
 
user3956566
what's^^ mean in this case?
 
@YvetteColomb Well, they are not welcome here, because they just confuse, expecially if they have different aspects or even state the opposite. Better to have all this at one question and let voting do the rest.
 
user3956566
@Olaf I'm not sure that's entirely true. Which is why I asked the question on meta
 
@YvetteColomb See my comment above (before yours) briefly: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/39274160#39274160
 
user3956566
There's issues about finding the dupe target, and sometimes asking the question and receiving an answer, can be quicker than finding the dupe. Had a long chat with Shog about it at some point
 
user3956566
12:59 PM
@Olaf yeh I saw it :)
 
@AjayBrahmakshatriya No. You should almost never use document.body.innerHTML+=. For what you suggest, you should use insertAdjacentHTML. This answer of mine explains why in more detail, but, basically, using innerHTML += has side effects which are likely to cause the page to stop working. In general, .innerHTML should be avoided. Other ways of changing/getting data should be your go-to solution in most cases (e.g. textContent/innertText).
 
@YvetteColomb I could agree with you in some cases, and there are dupes I discard from my delete list. But when I search for dupes and fine one from a user that's answered both, within like 2 months of eachother, that triggers me. They should know better.
 
@YvetteColomb @YvetteColomb: "it would be good to get a community consensus about it" - and that's what I pointed you at. THe dupe-specific metas ring the same bell, fyi.
In fact, I strongly support this (in case me having that link bookmarked is not hint enough;-)
 
@SmokeDetector Hm they only took 4 seconds to answer that. Suspicious.
 
user3956566
@SotiriosDelimanolis of course. I agree with that.
 
1:03 PM
It is not the goal to answer questions "quickly", but with high quality. I agree about finding the dupes, that's a permanent cause of discussion here (at least once every week). I'm for getting rep for those who find & close as dupe.
 
user3956566
if the dupe target is good
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver is it ok to onebox meta questions -that are relevant for the room?
 
I have strong deja-vue. Didn't we have this yesterday already?
 
Yeah, although if you can avoid it it is appreciated.
 
1:05 PM
@BaummitAugen Agreed, but without more data all we can do is deal with the Q
 
user3956566
@Olaf I wasn't in here yesterday - my daughter was sick
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver sure
 
@YvetteColomb Oh, the "sick kid" excuse ;-)
 
user3956566
@Olaf hey she was running a high temp and she still is not well (big meany)
 
user3956566
1:06 PM
inserts emotional youtube link at Olaf
 
Can't be more emotional
 
user3956566
@Olaf omg - I'm fighting a depression here man LOL
 
@YvetteColomb Jeff Atwood sure has some strange love there, but he's still da bomb
 
user3956566
I have to go soon, actually my daughter wants me
 
user3956566
1:09 PM
that's why I'm rushing to finish this discussion
 
@YvetteColomb Blog is not meta or community. You asked about an agreement about dupes and there is one (no dupes), presented in multiple dupes on meta.
 
user3956566
> That’s why we actually don’t mind having several versions of every question, where there are variations in wording or circumstances. The more chance that someone types a question into Google and finds their exact question already answered, the better a job we’ve done.
 
user3956566
@Olaf oh c'mon - the blogs are important, I'm not debating that. Let's not have a debate over pedantics
 
@YvetteColomb That could be done better by adding keywords to questions.
(emotional roller coaster)
 
user3956566
@Olaf I can't continue - you're missing my point. I had a long chat with Shog about this in Tavern. The best way to optimise SEO is with the titles. A good question title is what yields the best search results. Which is my whole point of not deleting good duplicates. Just leave them there as SEOs and pointers to the target and they're still there with good answers. That the whole emphasis of not being to dupe deletion happy.
 
user3956566
1:13 PM
ok I'm going
 
user3956566
see you in silly hats soon \o
 
@YvetteColomb That results in a long linked list of iddentical questions. google is already pretty good at finding questions, even with different title (I will not discuss the SO search, though), even if they are not linked. So it seems to be manageable.
 
@AjayBrahmakshatriya No, the bookmark can't get around CORS. Bookmaklets operate in the page context without any special privileges. That's why the bookmarklet copies the text to the clipboard which the user must paste into a chat message.
@AjayBrahmakshatriya The bookmarklet inserting <script src="[GitHub's CDN]">, is a decent option, with the advantage of getting an up-to-date version. However, one of the reasons people were having an issue was (unspecified) restrictions due to security concerns. Having the bookmarklet add a remote, non-static script to the page would allow someone to run arbitrary code in the page by changing the script. My assumption was that static code in a bookmarklet could be reviewed, if desired.
@AjayBrahmakshatriya For instance, one of my large concerns when reviewing a US for installing on my personal machine is: does the US pull in code from somewhere else without telling me. I consider doing so a significant security concern. For example, the SD script FIRE does this. Before I was willing to run it, I modified FIRE to add those extra scripts in the normal user script way, which makes a local copy (informs you when updated (so you can review the updated code)).
 
@Makyen Yes, that doen't look like a good idea.
 
@Olaf @AjayBrahmakshatriya, Security concerns were also why I provided a comment in the non-minimized code with the exact command line used to minimize the code, with a pointer to the open-source tool used. That way, someone could (more easily) verify that the minimized code was, in fact, the minimized version of the (more) human readable source. Having such a comment also has the benefit of letting the next person working on the code know a way to generate the minimized code.
 
@Makyen Well, I had a short peek at that code. I'm not a JS person, but it looks ok to me. Just please don't "release often". I hate this aspect of the agile religion.
 
@Olaf Agile evangelist here. release often doesn't need to mean release often to production. That a large group abuse it in that way is not the fault of agile but of the customer-testing adepts ....
 
@rene I know. And I agree there are fields it is fine. I just don't think it can&should be applied to every field. Which is what currently happened. Looks like "managers" can't just accept there are different "best" approaches and there is not a single "best" project management technique for everything, from mechanics to software.
@rene It is like everything changed to a religion by some group: there's always fanatics.
 
@Olaf It's unlikely I'd release often, but sometimes releases are a good thing. I, probably, release a bit less often than I should, but I generally prefer to make one release that updates multiple things, rather than multiple generally released updates in a short period. There's a balance to making the choice as to when to "release", which I tend to lean on the side of getting most of the desired changes in and spending more time testing/using it prior to (general) release.
 
1:53 PM
@Makyen I agree; especially for bug fixes and badly-needed features
@rene are they really adepts if it's such a large problem? :-P
 
@Olaf I agree with what @rene and you have said, one of the major issues is people not understanding that there are multiple things which "release" can mean. As stated, "release" isn't always intended to mean into production, or to the general users. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people that allow a mantra to control how they think/live rather than thinking for themselves, but that's a general human/society issue, which is not confined to just this issue.
 
@Makyen I didn't say "release never". Interestingly, that was what most programmers would have done in pre-online-update times ("a program is never really finished") if there were no bosses. This seems to have changed into the exact opposite. We had a name for this about Siemens product: "Banana software" - ripens at the customer.
@Makyen Oh, and yes, your approach sounds reasonable to me. I just tend to be proactive about that - too many bad experiences, nothing personal.
 
@Olaf As I implied, I don't consider myself perfect at making that trade-off. I probably have a bit too much of the engineering mentality of wanting it to be "right" as opposed to "good enough". But, at least it's something I'm aware of and trying to find that balance :-).
 
I AM WEARING SUNGLASSES OwO
everything is super bright
 
How are the laser eyes? Accidentally blow up your school yet?
 
2:08 PM
@Makyen Oh, I understand this position very good. That's one of my problems with certain variants of agile processes. (Another is that "team-meeting every day", which I experienced results in people hardly getting anything reasonable to work (at least it takes 2-3 time as long). Maybe I'm too much event-driven and message-oriented (no broadcasts).
 
@Compass Hmmm... I don't see any in the picture. Or, is that what you call the slice of bread?
 
IT IS AN OLD PICTURE
here is a vine `i.imgur.com/byvlp9t.gif
also I am not in school so the school is fine
 
@Compass wouldn't sunglasses make things dim?
 
YES. But everything is brighter post-op
so it equalizes
I have permission to wear sunglasses indoors
 
@Compass super cool guy
 
2:14 PM
i also bought a stuffed waffle from 7/11
i reboot
 
@Compass Better than a stuffed squirrel (where is Kyll when we need him?)
 
blep
 
Guys I posted a bug in meta 2 days ago but it hasnt been answered what should i do
 
It turns out that if you say "plop" three times in a row, you turn into a Frenchman
@TheCodesee Was it tagged as a bug?
 
yes
 
2:20 PM
Then I wouldn't do anything. Devs see the bugs on Meta. Took several weeks before I had one fixed
 
Mine's been months
with no reply
 
headbutts the bug tree
gah they fell on me
 
Maybe we should stop bugging them?
 
nope
 
2:39 PM
I had a bug with a score of like 170 and no response in over a year
I had to tweet at one of the devs for them to notice it :-X
actually no it was a feature-request
but after the tweet it was implemented within 24 hours
moral of the story... tweet bomb SO devs for all your earthly needs?
3
 
Ron
@Olaf Where can you be stalked?
Email, chat? Would like to ask for some pointers.
@TylerH Drop some cargo on them.
 
0x7ffc9958460c 0x10b46b0
^ Some pointers.
2
 
ROFL
 
Ron
Haha
 
I was going to try converting it into text...
thankfully you explained it before I could
 
2:44 PM
@TylerH Adam Lear accepts credit cards now. Not that we would pay for feature requests...
 
Who knows, maybe clang hides secret messages in its allocations. :)
 
@BaummitAugen That's integers. You forgot to cast them :-P
 
Ron
Represented by hexadecimal literals.
 
@Olaf Yeah yeah, it's the value of two pointers represented as integers.
 
@Ron I really don't like getting stalked. But you can open a chatroom and invite me :-)
 
Ron
2:47 PM
@Olaf I was thinking about that remote option.
Will ping you.
 
@BaummitAugen Bah, that's worth nothing without stating the implementation
 
Ron
@BaummitAugen What is that, 64-bit address and a 32-bit one?
 
@Olaf It's not worth anything beyond the scope of the joke anyways. XD
 
@Ron I'm a bit careful posting my email to the public (strange for a freelance, I know)
 
@Ron Leading 0s are not shown, both are 64 bit.
 
2:49 PM
@BaummitAugen Hey, riding dead horses is en-vogue these days. See VW (they even ride many horsepowers)!
 
Ron
@BaummitAugen Ah I see.
 
@Ron: Nothing personal.
 
@Ron The first one points to sth "on the stack", thus the large value.
 
Ron
@BaummitAugen Ah I see.
 
AGH MY EYES
@_@
im in our team room with the lights off
and it's still bothering me
 
Ron
2:58 PM
@BaummitAugen Do you receive job offers here on SO given your reps and expertise?
 
@Compass I thinkyou just need new eyes
 
=w=
i can see why they say your contrast is out of tweak
 

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