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1:00 PM
@rene 😁
 
user3956566
@rene utterly true
 
Too many single stars on posts... Ruins the star board :/
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@rene Don't have a cow; rene is just udderly funny
 
har har
 
^ am I i school again?
 
1:11 PM
@Machavity Poof'd
 
JAL
@NobodyNada Sorry, what post did you want me to hammer and add a dupe to?
 
@PraveenKumar 10k dels tend to go faster thankfully
 
Ha ha ha...
Is it 10k or 20k?
 
That one was 10k. Had to wait since it wasn't -3
 
^ wat.
 
1:12 PM
@Machavity 20k dels you mean
you can't even vote to delete until 10k
 
Answer is also wat.
 
@TylerH No, I meant 10k. We have more 10ks in the room than 20ks
 
Looking at the question and answer, I am in general just wat
 
So, am I reading this burninate right, in that they agreed that should remain?
 
@Machavity oh I see, 'more eyes on the prize'
 
1:21 PM
Pretty much
 
@Machavity I think so
But should be merged with lighting, perhaps
 
@Machavity Yes.
 
I can't believe there's a use for any of those tags. As in, who in their right mind takes specific interest a tag like that?
 
Well not all users explicitly follow tags that they know about or are interested in or answer questions for
so # of followers is not a 100% reliable metric
 
The use of the word "follow" encompassed the other meanings as well.
In this case.
 
1:23 PM
K, there's a specific follow feature on Stack Overflow so the context was not clear
It is sometimes the case where a tag is not useful on its own but in the context of a specific IDE or language because of the broad nature of the name
 
Doesn't that make it a meta-tag?
 
No, there's a difference between 'need some context' and 'not related to programming on its own'
To be clear, I wouldn't mind burninating , but it's also a tiny tag with little activity, therefore isn't really a pressing issue for consideration.
 
Agreed.
I just have this nagging OCD in the back of my head that all tags should be able to stand alone. =D
 
Do you know what often happens to small fires?
 
Wow. Boggles the mind that got accepted
 
1:30 PM
@Machavity that what got accepted?
wait, that deleted answer was an accepted answer?
 
yes
 
@JohnDvorak Who're you talking to and what do you mean? =D
 
I was not aware you could delete-vote accepted answers
That's... troubling
 
@TylerH Not really. The answer has to have a negative score to be deleted (at least by non-mods). Most accepted answers have 0 or higher
it's also a lot less common to delete answers vs the whole question
 
@Machavity Yes, really. Acceptance is really the purview of the asker, and the asker alone
That's why we don't have the community ability or a privilege to override an accepted answer choice
If an asker accepts an answer, that means it solved the OP's problem or was the most useful
By definition it therefore is not delete worthy under normal circumstances
The appropriate way to get an accepted answer deleted is to flag it for a mod. I don't like that it can be delete-voted by a group of normal users at all
 
1:37 PM
@TylerH 20k users. And 3 of them
 
(or you can circumvent that by deleting the whole question)
 
@TylerH If it's downvoted, that's a signal that it isn't useful in general...
 
user177800
@Machavity I meant to link to the entire question - stackoverflow.com/questions/45451758/… the entire thing needs to go
 
@Machavity normal here means non-moderator
@J.Steen no, it means it isn't useful to the downvoter
 
@TylerH <- non-moderator
 
1:38 PM
@JarrodRoberson we can't, it isn't at -3 and we're still not a voting mob, sorry.
 
@TylerH In this case, multiple people. Isn't that more general than one question-asker? =)
 
@Machavity I'm not sure what you are trying to say. I obviously know you are not a moderator. I'm saying I don't like that non-moderator users, 20k or otherwise, can cast delete votes on an accepted answer
 
fair enough
 
@J.Steen 'more general' is probably not the term you are really meaning
 
@TylerH Probably not. Not my first language.
 
1:39 PM
Anyway, it's just a moot point, because it's a feature that exists. I just felt obligated to share my shock and indignation
 
Fair enough!
 
@TylerH Shockdignation, if you will
 
My comment asking to not have so many single stars on the board obviously got starred but that got me the Outspoken badge... :P
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sigh I don't know whether to be pleased or not... :P
 
@Henders Well congrats on your badge anyway!
 
lol, thanks :P
 
1:48 PM
There should be a badge for getting a star for talking about stars in the meta sense
 
Need some clarification on flagging vs editing. Can anyone help me out?
 
@JamesHill Editing is changing the content of a question. Flagging is identifying a question as problematic.
That's the VERY short version :)
 
Thanks, @JackParkinson :-). I knew that much. I don't flag very much, but am trying to help out more. I received a bit of a snarky response to my last flag ("So why not edit it yourself"), and I thought I'd seek some clarification before continuing to flag.
 
To reason about why you got the response you did, we probably need to know how you flagged, and what you wrote in your likely "other"-flag.
 
OK. I assumed that an old, low quality question like this (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35191476/there-is-no-argument-given-that-corresponds-to-the-required-formal-parameter) should be deleted instead of edited. What's the preferred action here?

FYI - I flagged as needing moderator attention. Comment was: "Linked picture of code. Asked 1.5 years ago and was never cleaned up. RANKS HIGH in google for search terms."
Just trying to figure out the right approach so I don't get a bunch of declined flags.
 
1:54 PM
In this case I simply would have voted to close this as too broad
 
(and snarky reponses) :-)
 
@JamesHill You didn't suggest what to do with the question in your flag. I think, from the language, the mod assumed you wanted them to edit it. =)
 
@J.Steen, great point.
Noted.
 
Don't let the experience stop you from flagging though - we could use more +20k people in here!
 
Don't flag for mod. Only flag for mod if the community can't do anything about it or they are abusing the system. For example posting the same question over and over again (I usually custom mod flag after the second posting). FYI in here we tend to only close questions which have been active recently (such as a new answer being posted)
 
1:56 PM
I'll try to be more clear. I guess I assumed that flagging for mod attention was equivalent to saying, "get rid of this filthy garbage"
 
@JamesHill It's well within the community's own power to do that, so flagging in this case is unnecessary - as Bugs says. =)
 
@JamesHill Well you're not wrong, but if it fits into one of the other categories it will be picked up too.
 
@Bugs, understood. I'll try to vote to close more than flag. The reason why this one caught my attention was because it came up as the #1 result in one of my google searches. Since it's basically worthless, I thought it would be better to just delete the thing all together.
Thanks for the direction all!
 
applies face to bread
 
@JamesHill Yeah it's a bad question. Problem is, you can vote to close and it can go into the queue, meaning the community has a chance of voting also so a mod isn't required. I remember my first custom mod flag. I asked for the question to be deleted because the account was no longer active and we couldn't reply to the OP xD how foolish I was.
 
1:59 PM
It could have been a good question though, couldn't it? With code, a generic example, and the specific compiler error more clear?
 
@J.Steen yeah sure, if you felt so inclined
 
If you can fix it, fix it. If you only have time to comment, critique it. If you think a mod would nuke on sight, flag it. If it's bad, downvote it. Flags and votes do combine to handle stuff too. Half the time when I'm on a site where I'm not a mod and I flag a nonsense comment, it immediately disappears because it was already flagged by others.
 
@Bugs Just a hypothetical. There are numerous duplicates anyway. One less won't matter much.
 
Alright guys, I'm getting back to work. Thanks again.
 
@Compass o/
 
2:03 PM
@JamesHill np
 
@JamesHill o/
 
@J.Steen yup, that is certainly true
 
@AaronHall the specific question is unfixable, we lack info, even if I would transcribe the image into code. but in general I agree with your POV
 
owo/
 
2:04 PM
o/
 
@AaronHall Any chance you could remove [news] from this question? Can't flag because it's locked
 
LOL
Someone put in a ticket with our department saying "I'm getting no errors. I think that's an error"
 
Running short on time? Never fear, 7/11 is here! 7/11's taquitos and breakfast sandwiches aren't the best, but in a pinch, they'll do.
my food habits are garbage
 
@TylerH Living the meme man...
 
What's a "pro-tem" moderator?
 
2:11 PM
@JackParkinson The opposite of ante-term moderator
 
if SO needs another moderator it'll not likely be a temp position
Smaller SEs that get influxes may get them.
 
@Machavity ok... did it
 
I see - ta
 
2:12 PM
Like I guess travel SE during the major seasons
theoretically
 
@JackParkinson Mostly applies to Beta sites AFAIK. You have to have someone mod a new site
 
usually SEs have enough buffer
betas definitely
 
@AaronHall Awesome. news is burninated now
 
because it'll be hard to get to the 40/40 for smaller stack exchanges
 
Ah yes, let me add - have a sense of perspective and proportion - if a question has 10 views, and is likely to have 10 views over the next decade, who cares about cluttery comments there? If you want to prioritize your flagging, prioritize questions with lots of views.
 
2:14 PM
@AaronHall wrong room?
 
12 mins ago, by Aaron Hall
If you can fix it, fix it. If you only have time to comment, critique it. If you think a mod would nuke on sight, flag it. If it's bad, downvote it. Flags and votes do combine to handle stuff too. Half the time when I'm on a site where I'm not a mod and I flag a nonsense comment, it immediately disappears because it was already flagged by others.
@TylerH following on from that I guess
 
ah, just a long lead time from the last comment
 
as far as I know this is the rightest room for that comment...
anyways, I have to type into my tablet to chat here, so I'll see you guys and gals later!
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver can you remove this cls req chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/38459565#38459565 pls
 
user3956566
it's been edited to make sense
 
@RiggsFolly it's also unclear, IMO
and sounds like bad db design from the start
 
@Fred-ii- Its a nightmare an many levels
 
2:42 PM
@RiggsFolly well, at least we know what nightmares are; this one is more of an "entity" lol
 
omg
They have invented a battery with an AC outlet
 
@Compass That's basically what a UPS is, tho...
 
@Compass that's been around for decades
@SmokeDetector eh... it's a guy from microsoft
 
but
the UPS isn't designed for portability
and it's not like you can unplug it
and bring it with you <_<
Also this invention amazon.com/dp/…
genius
 
@JAL Sorry, I seem to have messed up that link. Can you please add this post to the list of dupe targets on this post? Thanks!
 
2:50 PM
I assume you mean something like this, which is a giant lithium battery so it can pretend to be a generator
 
no
something that you can carry!
Blep
 
@Compass You can also get an entire pizza (with free delivery under Prime)
 
Waffles and unicorns
 
I HAD ISSUES. SORRY.
applies bread to link
 
3:07 PM
@EJoshuaS done
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver merci :)
 
@Machavity Hmm, "Ideal for … medical…" - If I were them I'd be very careful about such a statement. Devices for medical usage have very strict regulations and the penalties if something happens can be astronomic. There reasons they typically cost more than consumer products.
 
@Olaf They were selling them for $1000 a pop at Costco. So I would assume they're a bit better educated than some. They've probably got a bazillion caveats in the manual
 
@YvetteColomb no worries mate
wonders if that is the right way to say it in "Australian"
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver sure is love - that's the female way of saying mate - it honestly means nothing
 
3:12 PM
Is it necessary to downvote questions which are already on hold? I have seen it happen but seems a bit like kicking someone while they're down. Shouldn't they have a chance to reword the question, after it's been recognised as not appropriate by significant members of the community, before getting downvoted to oblivion?
 
Ah. mate == man and love == woman. I think I can remember that
 
@YvetteColomb Congrats on being #3 in the election btw. If any of the mods retire they'll probably tap you
 
user3956566
yep it's that simple - but some people get offended if I use it online - it has other connotations - so I use it sparingly now
 
@JackParkinson I stop at three. If it is at or less than -3 there is no more need to down vote (unless it is really bad)
 
@Machavity The statement on their website alone can be a welcome for a good lawyer to file a lawsuite if something happens with their device. The price is not that high, considering the connections. (Not that I don't say the devices will work)
 
user3956566
3:13 PM
@Machavity I'm seriously so happy - better than I could've imagined :)
 
@YvetteColomb I can see that being an issue.
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver yep you need 3 to bump it off the home page I think?
 
@YvetteColomb not sure about that but -3 makes it 20K deleteable :)
 
'Kay, cool, ta.
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver I knew there was some reason behind the -3
 
3:15 PM
@Machavity Ah.. so there is a way up for Yvette, just need another mod to umm.. 'retire'. Next issue, how to make the 'retirement' look like a accident, robbery-gone-wrong or suicide?
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user3956566
worth watching for Aussie talk youtube.com/watch?v=yDb_WsAt_Z0
 
user3956566
@MartinJames lmao that is so funny :D I am ok with waiting - it is huuuge - at least now I'm prepared
 
@YvetteColomb It reminds me this video youtube.com/watch?v=hkmeoYKYctw
Idiotic alert ^
 
user3956566
@AlonEitan that's a New Zealand accent!!!
 
user3956566
or a South African accent!!!
 
3:18 PM
I always thought they were the same :|
 
@AlonEitan Now you are hated by all three countries.
 
user3956566
@AlonEitan no - but we're neighbours and familiar
 
gets popcorn and beer
 
Oh boy, i'm in trouble
 
user3956566
lol can I have some popcorn @Olaf? hm now I'm hungry
 
3:21 PM
@YvetteColomb sure. throws some popcorn @YvetteColomb
Want a beer, too?
 
user3956566
@Olaf nom nom nom
 
I've just wolfed down two large chocolate croissants. I'll live until pizza time...
 
user3956566
erk I hate beer ..
 
user3956566
@MartinJames awwww that is cruel - share!
 
@AlonEitan Try calling a North German a "Bavarian" or vice-versa. Hamburg was Family Picknic compared to that.
 
user3956566
3:24 PM
this is hilarious this is actually how we talk
 
@Olaf Unfortunately I don't know any North German people I can offend at the moment :(
 
@YvetteColomb Reminds me of our "southern relatives" here.
@AlonEitan I'd not be that sure …
 
user3956566
@Olaf where's here?
 
@YvetteColomb Görmoney.
 
user3956566
@Olaf where is that? google maps couldn't find it
 
user3956566
3:34 PM
@Machavity I was about to make the 20k request
 
@YvetteColomb Seriously? We are the 51st + 1 state of America. Just apply your language skills: Germany. I really thought you know where I'm from.
 
user3956566
@Olaf ah ok lol
 
user3956566
I'm going to bed - night all
 
user3956566
\o
 
3:43 PM
o/
 
\o
 
\o\o
 
o\
 
o/
 
4:09 PM
@JackParkinson That is a question and I don't see a resource request there. It might be too broad but I'm on the fence with that
 
I'm all out of votes for the day now and I'm also off so catch you guys later o/
 
@NathanOliver I took "I don't know how to plot it" as a request for a package, but looking back that might be inaccurate. Either way, I am confident in saying that it's too broad: doesn't seem to actually ask a question aside from "is this right".
I'm still learning though :)
 
@JackParkinson I'm suggesting you to use pls-generator from socvr.org/tools/userscripts. Makes creating request much easier, and they look good after that
 
@VadimKotov I'll look into getting that set up, thanks
 
4:23 PM
@JackParkinson Perhaps POB because there's no MCVE and "But I am not convinced that this is right way to do this"
 
@AlonEitan I see, yeah
 
@AlonEitan what's POB?
 
@VadimKotov primarily opinion based
TB=> Too Broad, MCVE => Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable example
And so on...
 
@AlonEitan As I mentioned, it would be great if someone makes a list of such abbreviations and puts it in the FAQ, imho
 
@VadimKotov There's not a lot of those, "NATO" is New Answer To Old question, "SO" is Stack Overflow, "MSO" is Meta SO, "VTC" is Vote to Close and that's about it (IIRC)
Oh, no- There's a lot more...
LQ -> Low Quality
NAA -> Not An Answer
 
4:33 PM
POB = Primarily Opinion Based
 
But it would be a nice post to SO blog - The complete guide to SO abbreviation
 
LO = Link Only
 
PHP = Prohibitively Horrible Programming
 
CVQ = Close Vote Queue
 
rene = really excitable natural entropy
2
 
4:38 PM
SFE = Super Fragilistic Expialidocious
 
god, what I've done..
 
JAL
@NobodyNada done
 
thanks!
 
4:54 PM
@VadimKotov you're free to submit a PR ...
 
5:08 PM
@rene just make sure the abbreviation for rene makes the cut
 
5:33 PM
/shrug
 
5:53 PM
@Compass It's a Kafkaesque problem
 
@JarrodRoberson Meh. Would Off-topic that. Not a good question for migration
 
6:14 PM
@rene Can you please delete this? OP added MCVE
 
feels ignored ;)
 
@NathanOliver SORRY!!!!! :((((
 
@AlonEitan completed
 
6:16 PM
Thanks :)
 
tfw you came up with a semi-complicated solution and are halfway finished implementing it, but realize that there's a trivial solution.
*facepalm*
 
@Justin That happens to all of us from time-to-time. It's called gaining experience. :-)
 
No.... this one was called forgetting there is something called a copy constructor (in C++)
 
In this case, I just didn't slow down to think
 
6:23 PM
@FireAlarm bad question indeed. But... Windows has a Linux subsystem, so there's that.
 
@PraveenKumar They fixed the typo and still say it does not work.
 
@NathanOliver Remove it. Lemme check.
Thanks...
 
Nothing to reject anymore...
 
May qualify under no MCVE now...
LoL.
 
6:32 PM
Oh, much better
 
you can repost a lacks mcve cv-pls if you want
 
for a closed and deleted post?
 
@JohnDvorak no, talking to @PraveenKumar
 
I thought he was talking about the same post as I was
 
confused
 
6:35 PM
Nathan is saying you can flag Praveen more than once, but not on Thursdays
 
confused
 
Wow. Under 10k posts in the CV queue
Seems infrequent
 
Holidays?
There aren't enough people to generate crap
 
Maybe it's that there aren't enough people to catch the crap and flag and cv appropriately
 
6:40 PM
glass half empty view: the crap is still comming in but the flags/votes have aged away
 
Now I'm depressed
 
sorry
 
confused
 
... and I've already had a shot of plum brandy, a shot of mint brandy, a 12-grade beer and an apple cider
 
> without using any external library?, baah maybe too broad?
 
6:45 PM
I used TB
 
It's hard to justify "resource request" when the question explicitly doesn't want resources
 
@JohnDvorak maybe we better it edit it :D, just remove out ;)
 
@JohnDvorak I don't mind either way. I think a request for a fully-formed piece of code could go under either close reason
 
@halfer hmm, not sure, to me that's too broad the close message is better help to OP
 
Reeee
 
6:59 PM
Neeee
 
Cup of teeeeeea
(And OK to that)
 
Wheeee
 
Phi
 
7:00 PM
CV
 
dd
 
gg
 
x!x
 
7:59 PM
BOBBEH
 

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