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2:00 PM
@Ron I'm not seeing that book in the book list except in a deleted answer.
 
Ron
@NathanOliver I see. I couldn't find it neither.
 
Anyone know why my flag in this answer would be rejected stackoverflow.com/a/18675252/8150685. I flagged "in need of moderator intervention" because of a dead link and it was rejected.
 
There is The C++ Super-FAQ which is an update so maybe that is what the OP is talking about
@Error-SyntacticalRemorse mod aren't needed to fix dead links. You can do that with an edit
 
Ron
Ok. I am tempted to pass this to C++ peeps in other chat groups and see if they want to deal with it. Not a biggy.
 
@NathanOliver The link was a major part of the answer so I figured the answer would be bad without it.
 
2:06 PM
I think the answer is fine without the link. You can use the way back machine to fix the link
 
@Error-SyntacticalRemorse The link is not a part of the answer at all. The answer is in paragraph 1. Paragraph 2 cites a source for the answer. Even if the link goes dead, that's still the source. Fixing the link would be great, but as Nathan said, you can do that without moderator intervention. And if this were a link-only answer, I'd still have declined the flag, but for a different reason: use standard flags like "not an answer", rather than custom flags. They are easier for us to prioritize and deal with.
...and I'm rejecting that suggested edit because "Even if the link goes dead, that's still the source."
 
Hiya Cody, Welcome. Congrats on the diamond.
 
Better would be to use the Wayback Machine to find the original author of the post, and edit in attribution to him/her, independent of the link.
 
@CodyGray Okay, so if the link is dead and its the whole answer "not an answer" would be easier for you? And please yo reject it Ill update it.
do*
 
@Error-SyntacticalRemorse Yes, that's what the standard flags are for. But this isn't "not an answer".
 
2:09 PM
WOW! We have successfully converted a declarative-non-chatter to SOCVR'er \o/
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@NathanOliver Thank you. Hey, I don't know if you would be the one to ask, but is there a chat room where C experts hang out? I can't imagine they're welcome in Lounge<C++>
 
hehe does c++ support type arguments like written above Lounge<> ? :p
 
Wow Cody is here! Time to update your profile ("Sorry, I don't do chat!...")
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@CodyGray I'm not sure of there is a C room. I think a decent number of C people hand out in the lounge.
 
@NisseEngström It breaks my heart every time I see someone improve "thanks in advance"
 
2:11 PM
@AlonEitan I still don't, officially. It's just an easier way to reach out to people to communicate about flag rejections.
 
(And welcome :) of course)
 
His name looks good in blue!
 
Ah. An early celebration :|
 
That means RO's might wanna cleanup his lines from the transcript here :p
 
@CodyGray Lounge is the most ironically named room on Chat
 
2:13 PM
@gunr2171 My soul cringes every time I see an edit summary which is a copy/paste of either the title or the body of the post. ಠ_ಠ
 
Is there a way to go from someone's main profile to their chat profile?
 
Only the inverse of that
 
Dang
 
Ron
Other than prepending the url with chat.stackoverflow.com/users/nnnnn/ I think not.
 
^ has already attracted a bunch of wildly differing and guessing answers.
 
@CodyGray I tried that but they don't have anything unfortunately
@CodyGray There is this room: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/54304/c but I don't think it is very active
also I dunno about the level of discussion there...
 
@TylerH Hrm yeah... I was looking for a place where experts hang out. :-)
 
@CodyGray You should start one! :-D
Then you can do chat, but only in one location
 
Cody's Cozy Coding Corner
 
Cody's Crazy Cozy Coding Corner
 
2:34 PM
@Machavity Woah
I thought to myself, "That title is Will-bait"
And what do you get
A Will
 
@Machavity Barely.
 
@Machavity You'll need a mod or a reopen and reclose to get it to meta.
 
@Kyll It has the SEO tag. It's like a moth to a flame
 
@Machavity Except Will is the flame?
 
@NathanOliver Meh. Voted to delete
 
2:37 PM
^ Highly active.
 
@Kyll More like a flamethrower. But I digress...
 
@Kyll #YOLO -- you only live once -> instaclose
 
We should set Queen to stalk Will's comments
 
god save her
 
@Nkosi What are we supposed to do about it? We don't tackle quality issues in here
 
2:40 PM
Nice color theme maybe?
 
@Kyll we do tackle quality issues here by closing them :P
 
alright i'll remove
 
@kayess That's scope issues
 
... congrats voting brigade
 
Not quality issues
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Precisely
What the hell folks
 
2:41 PM
@Kyll Clearly he wants you to do this
 
flops into the room
Morning
 
Ok. to be fair and follow the rules I decided to retracted my DV
 
This room is not about pointing fingers to what you feel are bad questions to get them a bunch of votes. Try to think about what it looks like, and what it seems it actually is sometimes.
 
I don't mean to pile up that much, but that question had clear statement, clear problem, seemed mostly exempt of syntax/language error, and as far as I can see is answerable. The only downside, from my not domain-expert eye, is the image instead of a copy paste of the code.
 
The actual quality of the question is irrelevant. This room will be closed for good if you guys use it to vent out on random posts that you feel are bad
 
2:43 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I usually DV code screenshots, no matter how good the question is. But since it was brought up here I didn't DVed that question
 
I'm assuming downvotes are applicable because OP hadn't bothered researching what a using-statement actually does.
 
@AlonEitan fair enough ;)
 
i'll exclude links next time and just explain the problem. my question was not meant to pile on the OP
 
But my reason wouldn't have anything to do with question quality, of course.
 
I remember once when I saw someone ask Stack Overflow how to make their parents let her go to prom
 
2:45 PM
group hug on @Nkosi
 
I suggested she do sudo let me go to the prom
 
that said would that have been a valid NO MCVE close vote?
 
Added comment, also DV is fair for code as image...
 
@Compass LOLOL that's a superb trolling
 
I didn't know what else to do. It was definitely OT.
this was before I had close votes, dessho.
So I flagged and then exercised funny.exe
 
2:46 PM
Yes I could answer the question but was curious if answering it with out the mcve was the way to go
 
I'm not saying that any of you wanted this to happen, just think about how it felt to OP and how it looks like to outsiders. We shouldn't act as a voting brigade.
 
Did we ? Did someone wrote that "X or Y should this and that" to that post ?
 
If a question is answerable without an MCVE, then is the MCVE necessary?
 
@Nkosi yes. If you can understand code enough frmo a screenshot, why would you refrain from answering?
 
I would have upvote that question. It like other question where someone asked someone to marry him
 
2:47 PM
@kayess The question got 3 downvotes in a matter of seconds after it was posted here.
 
And ? Noone got instructed to act upon. Is it that time of the year that fear our own shadows or ?:)
 
There was no request, just a surprised statement at the amount of upvotes
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier because i thought answering a no mcve would be encouraging the practice
 
If it's a code screenshot, the goal is to move the code into plain text, but if the question is answerable, exploding the question doesn't seem to be the proper approach. If you're lazy and don't want to transwrite the code, just answer and let someone else get the edit IMO.
An MCVE in a screenshot is a pretty bad MCVE, but it is still an MCVE.
 
Who said that you had to run the code in each question to answer it? I often can spot the problem by reading the code.
 
2:48 PM
@Compass If it has everything in it you need in order to be able to answer it then it basically has a mcve.
 
I don't like code screenshots, but that doesn't change that the person tried to place an MCVE into their question.
Which is better than no code at all 99% of the time.
 
agreed
 
But with screenshots you need to write the complete code when posting an answer, it's not crawlable in google, and it just... well, lazy
 
Nudge them to post their code in the future in a comment.
 
2:50 PM
Also not to forget the case when you can't see the image, so where is the MCVE then
 
I did. then asked the room about the question and BOOM
 
@AlonEitan actually, at least for me, taking and cropping a screenshot is much longer than copy pasting code. I really don't understand how people do it ;)
 
That doesn't mean it doesn't need to be cleaned up, but an author that gets an answer with a screenshot and reads the feedback will likely improve in further attempts.
 
I think the issue comes from inserting code is outsider non-intuitive because they think it'll come out weird or take forever to format.
They don't realize that 90% of the formatting is easily copypasta.
That's mostly a learning approach thing.
I, for example, am still unable to use LaTeX.
 
2:52 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I think the reason is that people don't know about the ctrl+k magic
 
Yeah, it's a mystery, really^
:D
 
coughs
 
@AlonEitan Get out of here with your Emacs nonsense
 
It would be really nice if the had a code input button and if you use that a box come up, you paste you code into it and this it formats it to be a code block at the position of the cursor when you clicked the button.
 
vim still confuses me too.
 
2:54 PM
try vi for a couple weeks. vim will come out as easy
 
But I learned from the screenshots of code posted on the site, that i'm probably the only one who don't have a black background on the code editor
 
@AlonEitan I'm with you
 
No, I use light settings.
 
backs away slowly, then faster
 
2:55 PM
IMO, should the How to Ask box on the side mention you can paste code and it will auto-format?
 
Because the monitor I use at my client is very bad.
 
For whatever reason I'm not a fan of the dark theme most of the time
 
right now
when you select text, all it says is "Indent code by 4 spaces"
Would it benefit to change that or does no one read that anyways?
 
goes away, laters
 
owo
 
2:56 PM
People don't read help, instructions, tours, tooltips...
 
@Compass no one reads
@FélixGagnon-Grenier o/
 
Or a sample question, or dummy text
 
I think that black background makes one think they are more professionals, it's very hakery and mysterious
 
Or rules, or FAQs
 
Alternatively!
Idea! For when you upload a screenshot
across the top it says Hold it, are you uploading a screenshot of yoru code?
and then it says just go ahead and paste it and blah blah
 
2:57 PM
Which they'll ignore.
 
=w=
 
@J.Steen rule #284756: read our rules ....
 
They could build OCR into the post question engine and if there is a screenshot of code it can post it as code instead of the image ;)
 
ugh ocr
Better idea
 
2:59 PM
It's not recursive, that's an Infinite loop
 
OCR to detect the font and replace with comic sans.
or is that cruel
 
awesome! FR on meta
 
@NathanOliver Or they can ban them for good
 
Off to office PUB. No rules.
o/
 
lol
o/
 
2:59 PM
o.o
bye
 
Cya
o/
 
Bya
\o
 
@rene We'll let you write it
 
wait ...
 
While cleaning questions, I've used tag for questions regarding Linux "free" command. If you have spare CVs, please review them, there are only 12 of them and they mostly off-topic
 
3:02 PM
Ooh, low-hanging fruit
 
@VadimKotov "them" being the questions or the questions?
 
@Error-SyntacticalRemorse Yes, see above request
 
@TylerH free-command questions
@EJoshuaS what is OT?
 
3:30 PM
@VadimKotov Off-Topic
 
user1228
Found a new honeypot, if anybody is interested... stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/wpallimport I don't really see how this is on topic at all :/
 
@EJoshuaS I was advised not to post cv requests on off-topic old questions here once
 
@VadimKotov Tag cleanup can be an exception, seeing that it's working on all posts, not monitoring new posts
 
@gunr2171 sorry, did not quite get you
who's working on all posts?
 
3:45 PM
@VadimKotov sorry. Typically cv-pls's are made when someone notices a new post. We discourage making requests against old posts because newer posts should take priority. When the community performs a tag cleanup, they are looking through all posts with that tag, old and new. Requests for old posts is fine in this instance because it's part of a larger process
 
@gunr2171 thanks. You're talking about currently featured requests?
 
[cv-pls] are also called "moderation requests"
 
@VadimKotov Yes, usually for old questions I'll just leave it to the cv queue unless they're in a tag that's subject to a cleanup or burnination effort. (Usually, there should be a Meta post to point people to for cases like that).
Clarification: if you're doing a lot of cv-pls for old questions, usually there should be an accompanying positive-scored Meta post describing the need for cleanup or burniation for the tag in question.
 
thanks guys
 
The other exception is if an OT question is drawing new activity (especially spam or low-quality answers), in which case it's still helpful to close it
 
4:05 PM
with comment ^
one of those "No Roomba's" if you ask me. delete
 
@NathanOliver Lol you marked my question a duplicate to a duplicate. Thanks. I tried finding a duplicate but the search didn't come up with it.
 
If a question is closed -> edited -> voted to stay closed -> and edited again, will the second edit bump it to the reopen queue a second time?
 
one said "Look ok"? stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/17061173 serious headshake here
 
4:20 PM
@Error-SyntacticalRemorse Yeah, I didn't like the final dupe target so I chose the intermediary one.
@NisseEngström AFAIK only the first edit bumps it into the queue
 
@Vadim: ^-- ಠ_ಠ
 
@NisseEngström If you think it should be looked at you can post a [reopen-pls]
 
@NathanOliver No, I'll just put it on my watch list for a while. It's not reopenable yet.
 
OK. If it does get into shape fell free to post a request. While we are the close vote room any question we can salvage I consider even more of a win then getting it closed and deleted.
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FYI: looks like hackers can now start hacking your iEverything in more ways now: techrepublic.com/article/…
 
@NathanOliver Will do, without typos even. :-)
 
4:32 PM
If i didn;t have typos you woud think somethign is wron ;)
 
@NathanOliver don't worry... we know you're really just "another anvil" :)
 
@JonClements The kind you drop on small animals for comedic value? I love those
 
Errr... like spearalls for instance? :p
 
Or puppies.
 
Uhm... yeah, we'll go with that
 
4:43 PM
good thing I'm a big animal
 
@NathanOliver Security by obscurity is not real security. It can help, or be a layer of assistance on real security. It's sufficiently effective for some threat models, but once the secret is known that's it, if it is the only thing protecting you. If they wanted real security, then it should have been designed such that you could publicly publish the firmware and still know it's secure. It may have been designed that way. I don't know enough about the specific issue to know.
 
@Adriaan bit of a moot point if it's a really, really big anvil though...
 
@Makyen I'm not sure. What you should do and what is done is often very different. I wouldn't be surprised if there is panic or calm at Apple HQ right now.
 
@Makyen the old "if it's really secure, then you should be able to provide the full specification of the lock, an example lock to be played with, and still no one should be able to open an existing lock without the actual key" kind of thing...
 
@JonClements remind me not to visit you :p
 
4:50 PM
@JonClements And SO has a really big anvil to handle all the hammers out there ;)
 
Awww... and I'd just ordered a giant inflatable paddling pool you could play in when you were over as well @Adriaan :(
 
@JonClements #SuperExicted Party at JonC's!
 
I'd even got an inflatable alligator to leave dangling over the edge of the tub as well for a laugh you could play wrestle with...
 
So when will the party be?
Or do you bring the pool to @rene's next party?
 
Umm... thought we'd hire a yacht... sail about a bit... maybe pop by Monaco...
 
4:54 PM
Do diamonds have a yacht budget?
 
@Kyll you can probably buy a yacht with diamonds
 
@Kyll Not covering mooring fees at Monaco, I suspect.. ;(
 
@Adriaan Wait so we can use Bhargav and Jon as money?
 
@Kyll Yes, but you'll be restricted to only 10" and two toppings.
 
@Kyll mutters something about selling people
 
4:57 PM
@Adriaan They are only technically people. They're diamonds first and foremost.
@MartinJames I'd be down with that.
 
I had to star that
 
you mean you hat to?
 
@Kyll Carbon-based life-forms?
 
@MartinJames With pretty shapes!
 
@Kyll Umm... I'll have to take your word for that..
 
5:00 PM
We just need to make a trip to Jupiter. It rains diamonds there
 
@NathanOliver So wait. Jon is an alien?
 
An alien puppy
 
@NathanOliver Yep. If it was designed well, then knowing the firmware shouldn't make it any less actually secure. If so, then Apple should be saying to themselves something like, "Success! We sure made them waste a bunch of effort trying to find out something that won't help them."
 
@TylerH Scope-wise?
 
5:09 PM
Seems good but also seems POB
also a bit broad, yeh
 
@JonClements Yes, exactly that. Having the algorithms/implementations public usually strengthens the eventual security, even if it results in ditching the first few tries due to people finding holes. It's an old, and accurate, security axiom.
 
@TylerH Why not? You must have seen The Cat from Outer Space right? :p
 
@JonClements I was too busy worrying about imdb.com/title/tt1034314 :-P
 
user3956566
@JonClements where do you find these things? Do you know the cat?
 
@YvetteColomb Did you make the downvote.se site?
ah, no, some bloke named will sullivan
 
user3956566
5:12 PM
@TylerH yeh - no I didn't I found it in my travels and think it's really great - I've included the links in my autocomments.
 
@YvetteColomb That'd be telling :)
 
user3956566
@JonClements hm suspicions concerned - the puppy and the cat are in cathoots
 
user3956566
these are my autocomments gist.github.com/yvettec/e8c1fb032bec023f816c if anyone wants to take out the bits they like - they're taken from our repo and my own stuff - included are the idownvoted links
 
user3956566
^^ just saves formatting them all @Kyll I'm happy for some of these to be added to the room collection of comments
 
user3956566
@TylerH you'd be surprised - I get pinged frequently and the edits have been good
 
5:15 PM
@TylerH I think it is okay.
 
I AM NOT IN CATHOOTS.
 
That's because your is doghoots
 
user3956566
@Compass no - you're in comphoots
 
waaaagh
 
user3956566
lol
 
5:17 PM
I still haven't bought the hamster plush
 
user3956566
@Compass I need to borrow you, I'm lost
 
user3956566
:p
 
Wat
I am not good at directions.
 
user3956566
erm - you're a compass
 
user3956566
what kind of compass if not good at directions?
 
5:18 PM
The one that involves utilizing lights to minimize visual aerial detection by causing the dark shadow of an aircraft to become invisible.
 
user3956566
@Compass hm interesting
 
From this old PopSci article jmrc.tripod.com/fa/stealth/stealth1.htm
Interesting to see how most of the ideas aren't in use 20 years later.
The Joint Strike Fighter is not invisible at all to eye.
 
@Compass moreso they are just built upon as stepping stones
@Compass lol, I read that first as "is not visible at all to the eye"
 
The interesting thing is that lamps were first used during WWII.
Decreased detection for aircraft down to 2 miles.
 
5:45 PM
@PraveenKumar Please give more information as to why this answer should be deleted
@YvetteColomb Noice.
 
@Kyll It works for me is not an answer... Unable to edit that chat message. Need only one del-v. It doesn't even help anyone...
 
no Roomba ^
 
guess they updated the floating menu for review queue notifications
 
Shouldn't this be a rejected edit: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/17064876 He quoted the question so it should be in a quote block. Though the grammar touch ups are okay.
 
@Error-SyntacticalRemorse it has been rejected
Feel free to apply some actual improvements
afk
 
6:04 PM
Sigh. Edit summary: "edited answer". Yeah, we kinda figured.
 
@NisseEngström it's to the point - definitely not mincing their words :)
 
@Machavity MackM's comment is perfectly right, though
 
6:31 PM
along with a link only answer
 
@Machavity Makes we wonder if the OP cites where some code in their source comes from ;)
 
@Fred-ii- Deleted before I could suggest violent revolution, civil war and overthrow of the govt :(
 
I have cake, and I'm eating it too.
 
Plop leaf. Played & grinded through SR4, finally =D
 
I managed to buy Overwatch. It's like TF2 and DOTA2 had a baby together
 
6:46 PM
Awesome bookmarklet @Makyen, thanks!
 
@Machavity an expensive, not F2P baby
 
@Flexo True. But it's got enjoyable content. But no hats
 
@Machavity I sure had that feeling too. Is matchmaking much better than the one added later on to TF2?
 
@E_net4 the group thing seemed to work quite well, except it took surprisingly long to match a group of 6 up
 
@E_net4 So far it's not been terrible. It's got groups, which means you could have people who find a team that works. But it's uncommon to have that
I like the concept of ultimates. Takes the idea of ubercharge and gives it to everyone
 
6:49 PM
@Machavity I believe one can invite a friend to make a match onto the same server in TF2. Are those groups similar to this?
 
@E_net4 At match end they give you the ability to stay as a team. But you also have your Blizzard friends you can invite as well
 
@MartinJames oh yeah that one. Yeah, that was a wise move on their part. Totally off-topic.
 
@Machavity That's interesting.
 
@rene Happy to do it. I got to the same point where you did and said to myself, "This is really a pain in the rear. There's got to be a way where I don't have to separately select every dang paragraph." :-) Hmmm... I guess I should make the bookmarklet a toggle...
 
I feel TF2 was already fun before it got overhauled with so much stuff and so many features. It still is, but not quite the same fashion.
 
6:53 PM
@Machavity you don't loose the ultimate charge for dying though
the winning move seems to be to combine ultimates, e.g. blackhole + one of the explosion ones
I wish it was on steam though so I didn't have to screw around with blizzard stuff
 
Sometimes. But I've noticed Play of the Game sometimes goes to the smartest move in the game. Wiping the enemy team, only to have a Mercy revive them all at once is powerful
 

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