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2:00 PM
> I don't like this new banner. Is there any way we can turn it off and go back to the good 'ol days?
> no. We are not going to maintain two designs indefinitely. Give it a few days - you can be surprised at how quickly you will get used to it.
 
@NathanOliver I can't get used to something which keeps me from reading most of the text. Not to mention the links on top hidden by the banner/bar/whatever.
 
What text can't you read?
 
@Olaf Post a bug report on Meta
 
And it looks ugly. What was wrong with the old design? Any reason every website constantly changes designs so users have to adopt permanently? I't fine if there are improvements, but this looks like "let's change our fashion, it is already one week old".
@Tunaki Ehm ... how could I If I can't reach the link?
 
Let's declare SO strike in advance of old-nav!
 
2:04 PM
@Olaf Bah just hardcode the URL
 
Hiya \o
 
Hi o/
 
Plop
 
@Tunaki Same problem. I can't even reach the title line. Crap!
 
2:06 PM
@Olaf what browser?
 
Post a screen shot please?
 
OMG
 
28 bugs after 2 rounds of open beta for just a top bar change meta.stackoverflow.com/q/343653/1743880
 
Site users are free testers..
 
2:08 PM
I mean, top bar change
 
Are you surprised? Look at docs, the first couple pages of meta was filled with bug reports in the first 24 hours
 
No. Functional. Change.
Just stylistic
 
Du0d it's CSS so get ready for the worst.
 
... and they removed the site name from the top bar. Any bets how many off-topic posts it will cause?
 
There is nothing so constant as people's hatred of change
 
2:10 PM
Yup. I'm just impressed by the number of things changing a navigation bar can completely break.
 
Bows down to Machavity's wisdom
 
@Machavity . Except for people breaking things which were working just because they wanted a change.
 
user6820627
@Tunaki IMO, that's a feature!
 
@kayess Heh
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2:12 PM
@Tunaki It's what happens when they give one dev a day/day and a half to build something.
 
Ok, I'm officially stupid. How do I post an image without getting kicked here? (i.e. how can I upload an image to imgur to get a link?
 
@Kyll NO GIFS
 
@Olaf Upload the image. It posts inline. Then edit the line to remove the onebox
 
Upload, then edit. Or be a RO, then you get one free pass per day
 
Just Kyll. He bombs the place otherwise
 
2:13 PM
@Olaf Having your name in italics helps with onebox credz
 
@Machavity Hmm, drag & drop does not work. So how do I upload the image? (yes, that sounds like astupid question, but I actually never tried.
 
Italic is RO? TIL...
 
user6820627
Everyone, append \u200b before image links!
 
@Olaf click upload and either drag and drop or click browse
 
@Olaf You should be able to see an upload... button next to the chat input
 
\o/
 
@Olaf Not sure chat has the same drag & drop as SO sadly
 
Ok, looking at the buttons on the right helps ...
 
Oooh right, rekonq. Never thought I'd see its face again!
 
Oh wow. What browser are you using? Do you have any user scripts installed?
 
2:15 PM
@NathanOliver rekonq
 
Anway, that's how a C question is rendereed in Rekonq.
It uses webkit. Same in Konqueror, btw.
 
Better check in Chromium too then
 
@NathanOliver No user scripts and I do not intend to.
 
@Olaf I like it. It's very.... rustic.
 
Is it a supported browser?
 
2:17 PM
Well since that is not in the list of supported browsers I'm not sure if they will fix it or not. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/56161/…
 
@Kyll I don't use chromium for SO. Heck, I have to reboot anyway soon and be offline for some days; let's see if they fix it.
@NathanOliver That's what standards are for. Feels like the old days: IE vs. Netscape, just with much more different browsers now.
And trigger (change)-happy webdesigners
@Henders It's minimalistic, yes. That's what I like about it. That and the fact it is of no interest for exploits.
@Tunaki unlikely.
 
@Olaf Then you're on your own
:/
 
@NathanOliver Yes, thanks, I already noticed that. But on meta I have the same banner. I'm not enough into html etc. to know it is the browser or the site. Normally rekonq works fine for far by most sites, including e.g. youtube.
@Tunaki I'm used to it. I'll give it a week or so.
I'm just upset they changed something working for no apparent reason and broke it. That happens way too often, on too many websites, programs, etc. That's not about reasonable changes, but changes just to change something - designers gone wild.
 
user6820627
that's why wikipedia rocks(?)
 
2:26 PM
@LearnHowToBeTransparent After all they concentrate on the function. And yet have a working design.
 
Wikipedia rocks are big rocks
 
There's too many people thinking "if we paint it in a new color, it will work way better"
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The best design is one that comes as a by-product of adding functionality.
@Olaf hey, it works for Apple products
 
Maybe I'm too much of an engineer to understand marketing.
 
user6820627
what do you think about SO docs?
 
2:28 PM
@JanDvorak It does not work with my Apple-Juice.
@LearnHowToBeTransparent Nothing :-)
 
JAL
morning!
dat new nav bar
 
@JAL Meh! Go away with that ^
 
@JAL o/
 
Hiya JAL
 
JAL
o/
 
user6820627
2:31 PM
 
user6820627
@Olaf that's what i think ^
 
@Drew another one for your hammer ^^
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent Can't see it. Hmm, from another post it looks like the navbar should be rendered horizontally (shich sonds reasonable), but Rekonq renders it vertically. That would be a large ambiguity. Maybe there is something in the design not specified and rekonq defaults to vertically?
 
user6820627
@Olaf you simply dont care about that image, enjoy rekonq then.
 
user6820627
i have to sleep.
 
2:37 PM
@Kyll This never not gets stars
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent Thanks for the sarcasm. Very supportive. And you should not post one-boxes here.
 
Eeeh
Not sure
Calling n
 
Yeah, I flagged LQ
And it's nuked as spam anyways
 
Nah, 'twas spam
''kindly visit my website''
 
hey the new sticky navbar is actually ok. if it were black I'd be angry seeing it all the time, but white can totally be ignored.
prepares to be kicked
 
2:40 PM
licking Felix
 
oh hai! dryes himself
 
anyway I disabled that stuff that take up space on my screen
 
Hiya Felix. We won't kick you for liking the nav bar. We save those for rene ;)
 
no sticky stuff!!!
 
heh. :) my screen haz all of 900 pixels of height to be utilized. I can spare a few 150 for a sticky navbar. hmmmyeah... I also zoom at 67% to be able to see more than one line at a time.
 
2:45 PM
@PetterFriberg I left it for now, navigating a bit with it to see how I feel about it
 
morning!
 
Haven't tried to answer things yet
 
Plop!
 
Hiya gunr
 
Hiya gunr
 
2:45 PM
@Tunaki Wait, we can answer questions instead of closing them?
 
Incredible right
 
@Machavity Yeah just put a link to another answer on SO, you should be ok ; )
 
@PetterFriberg isn't @Felix sticky now that @M.A.R. licked him ? : x
 
nah, I cleaned meself.
... but I can't write.
 
if you like I can come and put some post it on your screen...
 
2:50 PM
thanks, but no thanks @PetterFriberg
 
holy crap, is new nav live now SO wide ?
 
No just for you kayess
They said explicitly they wanted to target you
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I have seen you doing lot's of LQP reviews, you should help us out some in SOBotics.
 
@Tunaki teh big br0ther.
 
2:53 PM
:)
 
@kayess They just flipped the switch and watched meta burn
 
@NathanOliver Nah. Meta was already that way
 
Is there a userscript to make the nav look dark ?
 
JAL
Is there a meta about users answering questions and then hammering them as duplicate? I've seen that frequently from a single user lately
 
2:55 PM
@NathanOliver Thanks, installing NOW
 
@PetterFriberg sure. where do I start?
 
Fifty Shades of Grey might be crap, but it's still better than fifty shades of white. — Fabio Turati 5 mins ago
 
OK, comments like this are NOT productive.
I'm getting sick of people getting sick of TPTB
 
TPTB?
 
@Tunaki Tuna Pastries Turn Brown
 
Hey I like pastries. Especially moroccan pastries
 
@Tunaki Terrific Placard Toaster Bread
The Powers That Be, of course
 
Hey I like bread. Especially french bread
 
JAL
@NathanOliver thanks, the linked question is also helpful
 
2:58 PM
np
 
@Tunaki Hey I like liking. Especially your liking
 
Wow, tad better, although it prints -1 next to my avatar but whatever
 
That means you need more rep ;)
 
that, badly ^
 
haha
 
3:01 PM
@kayess You're the Community :o
 
Getting RO'd
 
@kayess is that the new "getting rick rolled"? :p
 
@JonClements nooo, getting owned by the Room Owners
they became recursive owners though
 
the owners recursively own themselves?
 
ahh... yes... owners are owners are owners are owners are owners... does not puppy compute - does not puppy compute
 
3:02 PM
@kayess that contract that you signed with us to give us your soul also came with an NDA. I'm afraid i'll have to kick you for breaking it...
 
rep rolled
 
Getting gun'd
 
ops maybe that was not spam
 
It was
 
I was going to cv it, oh well
 
3:05 PM
a spam seed, specifically.
 
bah it's terminated
 
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Setup for a spam answer
 
So, this new bar for SO, when I got points, it looked like the trophy turned into the Eagle symbol of uh... WWII Germany.
Maybe that's just me, but cutting off the top half of the trophy definitely makes it look like an Eagle.
 
in PHP, 8 mins ago, by NikiC
basically Github and StackOverflow swapped headers?
4
 
OMG, they did
 
3:15 PM
oh god, I got opted into the new bar
and have 673 comment notifications?
 
@TylerH Thats a lot of notifications
@TylerH Why so many?
 
I dunno
shall we click to find out?
 
@TylerH You sure that's not the review icon? It looks like a comment bubble
 
oh
god
what a terrible icon for review
 
lol
@TylerH I think you way want to support this
 
3:45 PM
@NathanOliver posted one specifically for the review icon meta.stackoverflow.com/a/343773/2756409
 
@JAL yes
 
@TylerH supported
 
can't wait for that gold badge
including by @rene who voted to close it -_- why?
 
I was gonna say, might wanna talk to him
 
4:02 PM
those crazy flowers
 
@FireAlarm Misspelled ''porblemz''
 
@TylerH I have no idea, must have been confused or so
 
georgegarside.com/blog/stack-exchange/… another option for a custom style on the new nav bar that looks very nice
@rene :-( ah well, at least most people here are still able to vote on it
 
user1593881
Sup all?
 
4:10 PM
yo
 
Oi
 
user1593881
Whom do I complain about the hideous new header?
 
user1593881
Kidding.
 
user1593881
Semi-kidding.
 
@RawN rene
 
4:11 PM
Closey
She's a good listener.
 
user1593881
Haha, nice.
 
na, Kyll. We dump everything on him anyways
 
@gunr2171 howsit
Am I recalling correctly that you can now do your meetings remotely?
or did I make that up
 
I can work from home, like for the past week where we got butt-loads of snow
 
user1593881
@NathanOliver How come superstar C++ developers scuk at earning big bucks?
 
4:13 PM
@gunr2171 ah
@RawN ouch
 
user1593881
Or at least that's my impression. A Porsche would be in order but I don't see that happening. Where are all the cpp developers with 100k+?
 
@RawN C++ developers aren't in high demand.
 
@RawN they are busy pointing out that someone is wrong on the internetz
 
they got corrupted by javascript
 
@RawN Left for slack after dispute with the moderators.
 
4:15 PM
Because everyone wants Java developers
 
they left programming after learning what has happened to PHP
 
@RawN Maybe you aren't looking in the right places
 
@RawN Where did you see that? Depending on what they are doing they can rake in some serious bucks.
 
user1593881
@NathanOliver Western Europe mostly.
 
@gunr2171 :(
 
4:20 PM
@RawN hmm. Not sure about Europe but about everything I look at in the US is $100K+
 
user1593881
@MadaraUchiha I think they are. Now more than ever.
 
user1593881
Party on! I just crossed the 3k boundary. Hand me the mini-mjolnir!
 
woot, congrats
 
\o/
 
user1593881
Wasn't even aware. Compliments of the new header design.
 
4:26 PM
@gunr2171 there is an image there now. not sure if that helps at all
 
@NathanOliver only a touch. It's most likely a permission or corruption issue, and we need more info to continue
 
@TinyGiant captain jack sparrow?
 
user4639281
@TylerH That user's previous avatar
 
ah
 
4:29 PM
^ fine?
 
@MadaraUchiha want to do me the site a favor
 
That's weird
 
@TylerH No No. But I'll hear it anyway.
 
the comments under the Top Navigation Update question could use some cleaning up
 
#ModBurn
 
4:30 PM
specifically the most recent ones
 
inb4 "just make a flag and we'll get to it"
 
just make a flag and we'll get to it
 
kk
 
just make a flag and we'll get to it
 
just make a ... wait I'm not blue
 
4:31 PM
#BlueLivesMatter
 
but I did make some flags, I guess I'm no betsy ross
@MadaraUchiha actually a saying here in the south for police
 
you know, the copy+paste really detracts from that victory...
 
@TylerH But it would've been a fun train
 
why's the help centre link now tucked away down amongst all other links where no-one will find it?
 
Because the Devs don't feel new users care about the help menu and this new design is for new users.
I think they have data about how often they click on it and it was really low.
 
4:41 PM
where is the post that gnat posts every other day about "x views questions should be cleaned" of Jeff?
 
@RawN You okay there? The hippies didn't get you did they? If they did remember, do not drink the kool-aid ;)
 
@Braiam on MSE
somewhere, which rock did you look under?
 
user:1 clean up and user:1 views and user:1 cleanup
 
user1593881
@NathanOliver Haha. Nope. I deleted the content myself. Not exactly the Pulitzer prize material. Lack of sleep.
 
user1593881
4:43 PM
And that contract I signed today.
 
Got a Job?
 
user1593881
Yes.
 
Woot \o/
Congrats
 
user1593881
Juniorish-mediorish c++ developer.
 
4:44 PM
Sweet. Anything in particular that you'll be working on?
 
user1593881
@NathanOliver Thanks. Not sure how I feel about it.
 
Not sure if it is the right fit?
 
user1593881
@NathanOliver Mostly windows and maintenance. Hardly any r&d. We'll see.
 
@Tunaki nope, that doesn't talk about views
 
it is the one gnat uses though
 
4:45 PM
it was something like "120k views = cleanup"
 
oh wait it's another one
 
user1593881
@NathanOliver All using VS. Not a Linux in sight.
 
well I like MSVS but I grew up with windows
 
resist the urge of going to a random gnat's post and ask
 
I just did Java magic!
 
4:47 PM
@Compass You wrote JavaScript?
 
No =w= I've been updating an application for a few weeks
 
@Compass But it is always magic
 
It was originally a swiss army class.
 
Maybe you just got into the awareness club
 
From this swiss army class I've extracted the service and dao layers.
Originally, even pojos were accessing the database
Someone passed a pojo a connection and a properties file and told it to inflate itself owo
 
4:51 PM
I'd just go with delete votes for that
 
user4639281
@Tunaki It's only Magic when it is running JavaScript
 
@gunr2171 Yes, where are your 10k?
 
Stolen
I'm still filing the complaint
 
@Tunaki 20k in this case
 
@Tunaki cough 20K cough
 
4:52 PM
I didn't even get a 100 rep for not fainting when the new nav kicked in
 
user4639281
Waffles?
 
@Tunaki I forgot them in my others pants socks
 
Are there any 20k delete votes on it?
 
2
 
I'm curious of 10k users can see 20k delete votes on re--- darn
I wish 10k users could at least see 20k delete votes that have been cast
 
4:54 PM
oh
 
@TylerH get 20k rep scrub ;)
 
you can't?
 
nope
 
ha
 
user1593881
4:55 PM
@Adriaan +1
 
Yeah, you can't see them because it doesn't give you a delete link until it is in a deletable by you state.
 
ah yeah
 
user4639281
Apparently if the question is in the close queue or is closed, it cannot be VLQ flagged.
 
user4639281
@Adriaan I'm almost 60% of the way there.
 
at least you passed the midway point :P
I've been lazy. It's a miracle the fish hasn't kicked me yet
 
user4639281
4:58 PM
Almost a year ago
 
It's too bad you're missing on the jacket signed by rene that you get for having 20k
 
@TinyGiant been that way for about 2 years: meta.stackexchange.com/a/244736/291223
 
@Tunaki I'll have him sign my user-page print-out
 

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