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user4639281
5:00 PM
@NathanOliver I actually wish the VLQ flag didn't put questions into triage
 
not sure that's spam though
 
He had disclosure so I give them the first one
 
user4639281
@Tunaki probably why the mod didn't spam delete it
 
interesting - NATO view. The same post listed twice
 
weird
 
5:03 PM
and yes, it's the same post, not the content posted twice
(which happens, a lot)
 
user4639281
race condition eh?
 
race, eh? condition
Not even sure that's worth making a Meta post, given the love this page gets...
 
"love"
 
@NathanOliver y u make me klik that?
 
5:09 PM
cuz
 
Back, ye foul beasts, back! waves piece of spaghetti aggressively
 
user4639281
I just saw a meta question go from 0 to -9 in three seconds
 
The dupe?
 
JAL
Not sure if spam, just a bad answer
 
I'm not sure about this one @Tunaki
Clearly, you can do <> now, but back in 2008, <> did not exist.
 
5:23 PM
@JAL it's spam. He copied the accepted answer
 
Do we have a rule about modernizing answers?
 
JAL
@NathanOliver ah good eye
@Compass that should probably be a comment, not an edit
 
@Compass Only valid in Java 7
 
I know D: I had to check when Java 7 was released =w=
 
I would reject
Code still works now, and a good IDE can even remove that automatically
 
5:25 PM
And IntelliJ confuses me by turning it into <?> and I go "Wat?"
 
Really?
Switch to Eclipse.
It's the time! GO FOR IT
 
@Tunaki and question is tagged
 
I used to use eclipse. IntelliJ is better
 
NO ITS NOT
 
you get what you pay for
 
5:25 PM
IntelliJ is OK but DumbJ is simpler I find
 
...
 
why would you call your IDE dumbj
 
it was a joke
 
dumbj[oke]
 
dumb is simpler than intelligent
rip me
 
5:26 PM
wasJokeFunny(); //false
 
@Compass trouble?
 
IntelliJ, when you switch between Java versions, auto-handles the <> operator
so in 1.6 it'll put the stuff back in, and <?> is to denote that it's automatically filling it in for you.
 
doesn't <> just mean empty?
 
it means "come on compiler, you know what I mean, just do it"
 
ArrayList<Foo> foos = new ArrayList<Foo>();
Specifying the second Foo is superfluous because it's not like you'd do new ArrayList<Bar>();
unless we have some crazy inheritance thing going
 
5:34 PM
@Compass It wouldn't even work anyway
The only thing that is technically allowed is repeating the type
 
stabs service vigorously with spaghetti
 
Why it's a bit redundant to write List<CompilerYouKNowWhatIMeanStopComplainingPlease> list = new ArrayList<CompilerYouKNowWhatIMeanStopComplainingPlease>()
 
They are adding that to C++ in the next standard. Paired with auto it is going to make the code look really clean.
 
@FOX9000 I'm going to roll that back as it adds an answer into the question
 
5:45 PM
@NathanOliver left a comment to the answerer/editor
unclear^ and rolled back the edit
 
sound logic
no! outside is dangerous!
 
@QPaysTaxes so weird
are you alright?
 
(Full disclosure: same user for both, is ignoring requests to improve questions).
 
user4639281
6:42 PM
 
@QPaysTaxes C99 me thinks.
 
@NathanOliver No. C90, i.e. only the first standard version.
C99 already allowed mixing declarations and statements.
 
Okay. I wasn't sure if it was an extension in C99 or actually allowed
 
Hello!
 
@QPaysTaxes Just remember that (standard) C is C11 only. The older versions have been canceled with each newer version
@NathanOliver The C standard does not defined "extensions". It just makes some features optional.
@QPaysTaxes Sorry, I just hopped into the discussion right now. Where is your snarky comment?
 
6:48 PM
@QPaysTaxes There might be come edge cases but conforming C90 code should compile just fine in C11 99.9% of the time
 
@QPaysTaxes Depends. There are some incompatibilities between C90 and C99, but from C99 to C11 it is fine - unless you have VLAs and use an outdated compiler like MSVC (well, it does not support C11 anyway)
One difference is that C99 defined integer division (/ and - more important - %) exactly. C90 left moduo of negative values open.
@QPaysTaxes See ^ for one. The others I don't have at hand. Maybe check the forword of C11 or C99; it lists at least some changes. In general you should code modern C, which started with C99 (C11 mostly added clarifications and some features).
@QPaysTaxes Yes. The modulo could have been negative or positive with different magnitude. C99 fixed this to a specific value (see the division operator specifications in C90 and C99/C11).
 
C and C++ try very hard not to break backwards compatibility unless there is a really good reason to do so.
 
I actually don't care about C90 much since C99 became available with gcc. And before that I was not that much aware about the quirks in C.
 
oh no, the signed vs unsigned debate
 
Signed. Java can do without unsigned just fine.
 
6:58 PM
@NathanOliver That's not really true for C++. C++11 and newer removed quite some C90/K&R-C legacies from the language. Afaik C++17 will continue this. But I'm not a C++ expert, it is mostly something I caught up and hearsay. For C11: the committee is very conservative, even adding new features which are obviously useful (e.g. enums with specified basetype). But then they made VLAs optional which is a major break of consistency - smells like a rat.
 
@QPaysTaxes My rule of thumb is use int on 32 bit systems and long long on 64 bit systems.
@Olaf Well C++ is not C so I think those breaks are considered good.
 
@QPaysTaxes size_t is the "natural" type for array indexing, as it is the type sizeof returns. Therefore it can contain the max. size of an array, thus guarantees all valid inmdexs into a char [] which is by definition the array with the largest possible valid number of elements.
pew!
 
meanwhile, in Haskell
 
@QPaysTaxes No, that's a quote from me. But you can find the chain of proof in the standard, just read about the mentioned constructs in the standard and follow the white rabbit.
 
: ) I get that joke
 
7:02 PM
@gunr2171 Booooring!
 
already rejected that ^^ :( could use another
 
@FOX9000 what was wrong with this one?
 
@gunr2171 no improvement whatsoever. It merely changes it from one legible state to another, without improving a thing, hence the reason
 
@Adriaan ok, just wanted to check. All I saw was whitespace formatting, which was different from what the edit summary said
 
Meh. bad enough for me
 
7:08 PM
@QPaysTaxes I consider advertisements are spam.
 
There's a difference between spam and link-only.
The definition of spam is:
> Exists only to promote a product or service, does not disclose the author's affiliation.
 
@NobodyNada But Nobody uses that definition...
 
Just as a note mod decided to delete it, not to spam nuke it
 
@FireAlarm alive
 
@NobodyNada FireAlarm-Swift version 29ab8f1, running for 44 minutes 22 seconds on Linux 4.4.26-v7+ armv7l
 
7:14 PM
But they also did not clear any of the spam flags
 
@QPaysTaxes Niiiiiice
 
@QPaysTaxes Sure, because such is known to attract spam.
 
For 10K user there is a lot of new people in LQP queue (probably the new fixed menu bar), we are having some problem with people editing NAA answer out of queue, if you have some time check out this now and then (Floren has been doing the main work but I don't know how many hours he will be awake)
 
7:27 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ If "did not try to answer the question himself" was only a valid close reason ...
 
@QPaysTaxes If you finished that, please clean your room :-)
 
@QPaysTaxes At least open the window. There is something dead under the bed
@QPaysTaxes Ok: un-dead
@QPaysTaxes You have an odour-tunnel from the dresser to the bed? Tsk
 
Lots of squirrels would fit under there
yes I know the truth
 
7:31 PM
@QPaysTaxes I did not say you hide something.
@QPaysTaxes GDD?
 
Have fun
lol. If you go to the search page here you get the black bar back
 
or just the home page here
 
@NathanOliver oh yeah
I supposed they didn't enable it for chat.stacoverflow.com
 
@QPaysTaxes Can you guess what I think every time I see "BS degree" ?
 
My German teach had a funny thing he would say. BS is bull s**t, MS is more of the same, PhD is piled high daily.
 
7:39 PM
@QPaysTaxes: Will you please stop chatting and do your homework? ;-)
 
His homework is to bother people on Chat.SO ;)
 
@QPaysTaxes So much about dead things. Confess: you are one of the necromants
 
@QPaysTaxes Ask a PHP question
 
@NathanOliver A degree in bulls**t sounds like marketing. Yes, that would fit
 
Or politics ;)
 
7:41 PM
@QPaysTaxes Yes, that's what I also said being caught with my hands in the cookie jar.
@NathanOliver What's the difference?
 
Public vs private sector
 
@NathanOliver What about politicians hiring marketing-people?
 
Politics has already been outsourced to the private sector. See the common "round table talks".
Is it ok to CV questions about exploits not working as "cannot reproduce/no problem"? The exploit invokes undefined behaviour and that includes it works as expected.
 
Meh. I see why you would want to but they are reasonably answerable. I'd ask on meta.
 
7:48 PM
@QPaysTaxes That actually does not make sense in the translation. Such nonsense happens if you have one thing in mind but change your mind while typing completely. Whoe ver wrote that should be punished with Word not under 2 pages and 2 OLEs.
 
@Olaf Undefined behavior always works like expected ;-)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ That's my point. Questions which complain that UB does not behave as expected don't make sense.
 
@Olaf And I absolutely agree! Here's an add on.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Just opened the link. I really didn't expect that ;-)
@πάνταῥεῖ That reminds me ... I should check what I'll have for dinner.
 
8:01 PM
@BhargavRao I saw that too. Complete 180 there
 
Yup :D
[status-completed-by-fluke]
 
:)
Hows it going BTW. Don't think I've said hi to you yet today.
 
Hi \o
 
>:-\
 
run, the cops flower is here
 
8:04 PM
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@BhargavRao hey, i answered that :-)
 
Yeah, today's been a busy day. Had to attend a 3hr presentation, so was not that active.
 
and my answer 8 upvotes and 8 downvotes
nice symmetry
 
@Olaf I'm also wondering about that now. I could have Wirsing with Bratkartoffeln, or order something (I'm lazy to attend the stove :-P ).
 
as it happens my answer was gifted with foresight, that's exactly how the implemented it today!
 
8:05 PM
@TylerH Does that mean you have a polarizing personality?
 
> I doubt the site owners will add such a feature into the nightly builds, especially when the same request got downvoted in the aggregate over on MSE.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Well, I found some ice cream for a starter. I think I'll have chicken-pan with wedges and veggies later (Bofrost)
 
@NathanOliver I suppose. There is the half that agrees with me and the other half that is wrong :-P
 
@BhargavRao At least 3hrs of sleep. Better than none at all.
 
8:09 PM
@Olaf You can't sleep if you are one of the important guys there. That's sad :/
 
@Olaf Deep frost stuff available as mentioned. But (for sake of my money bag) I'm afraid I'll be too lazy to attend the stove, unless I'm waiting too long and all the deli stores are closed ;-)
@BhargavRao Probably your attendees were meant?
 
@BhargavRao Ok, I assumed you were just listening, not active. For the first: yes, I can sleep (eyes open of course). The last years snorring becomes a problem, though.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Yep, Did notice a few of them sleep when I was adding my views.
 
@Olaf I well know that problem!
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Wirsing with some ground meat and bratkartoffeln is fine. Add some cream - tasty.
 
8:12 PM
@Olaf Oh, nopes. It's worse when you suffer from somnambulism.
 
@BhargavRao Make it Tschakka, wake them up!!
 
Lol, I'll do that the next time
 
@BhargavRao I don't have that problem. I bascially can sleep everywhere, unless it really is interesting. And if you grow older, things become less and less interesting.
 
@Olaf Well, TBH, I did not find my own presentation last week interesting. You just can't keep the interest levels high after 20 mins.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Yes and instantly ask "So, what do you think?" and really give them time to answer. That will keep them from sleeping at least for one week.
 
8:18 PM
@Olaf And me close my eyes and get in danger of snoring ;-) ...
 
@BhargavRao I rarely attended a meeting which was interesting at all. But IIRC none which was for more than 5 minutes. If they just could bundle this in the first 5 minutes of the meeting, I could leave and be more productive the rest of the time.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I snorr! :-þ
 
@Olaf IKR, The current structure is, 3 presentations, 30 mins each followed by 30 mins of Q&A. (I was praying that the Q&A doesn't extend beyond 3 mins).
 
@BhargavRao Heck, that's worse than boring. Do you get a compensation for being forced to reduce blood supply to your brain? Whereas I find the Q&A actually the most interesting part. It is always so easy to make the presenter panic.
 
8:24 PM
@Olaf Free soft drinks, lots of red bull, snacks, etc.
 
@QPaysTaxes Waffles are never wrong :-)
 
That's enuff
 
user4639281
Someone want to ping me for science?
 
@TinyGiant I ping you for Magic™!
 
@TinyGiant no
@TinyGiant I would never do that
 
8:26 PM
@BhargavRao I don't like red bull (tasts like chewing gum), avoid soft-drinks mostly, same for snacks (not that I don't like them!). So, no, that's not really something to bait me. And definitively no compensation for willfullingly reduce my intelligence.
 
@BhargavRao So you ascended to be an evangelist now?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Huh? Context?
 
user4639281
science fails.
 
@Olaf Sounds like one
 
@Olaf Hah, then it wouldn't be that useful for you. I like all 3.
 
8:28 PM
@TinyGiant not when I ping
 
user4639281
Tried to get a topbar notification to test something, no top bar notification from any of those pings
 
@TinyGiant you need to wait a little
like 15 minutes
 
@QPaysTaxes Hey Cheers!!
 
user4639281
@Tunaki I did, and I have fast top bar notifications enabled
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Err, I don't like to get people to go to conferences for food. They'll take of my share too :D
 
8:29 PM
@TinyGiant leave the room and let me try and ping you
 
user4639281
one sec
 
@TinyGiant test
 
@TinyGiant This isn't a ping.
It's a chat message.
 
:)
@TinyGiant hopefully this message makes you see red ;)
 
@BhargavRao I do that at a dinner or some minutes beside my desk usually.
 
8:30 PM
@BhargavRao I like a coke with a burger. But that does not mean I have both every day. I actually prefer a monetary compensation - if any physical - if the harm is not permanent. If it would be permanent, I rethink if it is worth it. With money, I can buy myself what I want, not what others think I want.
 
I've seen some pretty crazy indentation, but 9 spaces has to take the cake.
 
Was it consistent?
 
Nope, on a few lines, tabs were used.
 
At least some sense
 
user4639281
8:33 PM
Nope. nothing
 
user4639281
I'm not getting any top bar notifications right now
 
hmm. So you think notification from chat is broken?
None?
 
@Olaf Ah, True. It totally depends on the person. I usually prefer food or other merchandize. They are anyway paying me my salary, so I don't prefer money.
 
He was out?
 
He was out
 
user4639281
8:34 PM
I was. I walked out and slammed the door behind me. Nothing
 
Any notification now?
 
But you can't do that
THere are no doors
 
user4639281
Whoever commented on my answer, that worked
 
I looked for one
 
user4639281
8:36 PM
I love referencing messages out of context:
 
user4639281
Well stop being a banana then — Tiny Giant 8 mins ago
 
@πάνταῥεῖ McWürg is never an option. We have a much better Burgermaker of that kind here and at least one nice American diner with (almost) self-made burgers.
 
@Tunaki There's no door because SOCVR is a mobius chat room. Once we suck you in you can never leave.
 
Yeah so how did Tiny do it?
I think Tiny isn't the real Tiny here
 
@BhargavRao So you wouldn't prefer a higher salary? That way you can choose yourself what you want to have.
 
8:37 PM
@Olaf Deli is closed now anyways. I'm going to attend the f***ing stove :-P ...
 
user4639281
@Tunaki I'm Magic™
 
@Olaf Nopes, I feel that I'm being paid accurately.
 
@Tunaki Lions
 
user4639281
@πάνταῥεῖ I didn't know stoves could do that
 
@TinyGiant Didn't your mom teach you?
 
8:38 PM
farming? yeah very weird
 
@πάνταῥεῖ At least you should give it time to finish that :)
 
user4639281
I have never seen a farming stove before.
 
@BhargavRao I'll have to check out the wages in India some day.
@TinyGiant Where do you think the cooking plates come from?
 
user4639281
 
@TinyGiant These are called Stove Pipe Sytems and are a well known Anti Pattern that needs to keep people employed that know about all the vessels 'n stuff.#
 
8:44 PM
@TinyGiant that 90s PowerPoint gradient tho
 
@QPaysTaxes \o/ that's awesome!
 
@TinyGiant Are you knocking Joel Spolsky Power Orange(tm)?
 
@Machavity that's a thing?
 
user4639281
:P
 
@TylerH No, but it probably should be. Screw the rainbow, we're all about orange now
I mean, today's theme is "Orange is the new white. Black is so passé"
 
8:54 PM
Well, with this new nav bar, the rest of style looks a bit old...
 
@QPaysTaxes Congrats btw. Missed that
 
@QPaysTaxes what is this? imgur is blocked here :-(
@QPaysTaxes nice
 
@TinyGiant circa 2005 phpbb portals
 
@QPaysTaxes can you ask them if I've already received my federal refund do I need to worry about the email I just got saying my form 8889-T is ready to fill out and submit?
@MadaraUchiha Up until last year, the mod project for TES:III Morrowind was running its form on phpBB 2.0.18 which was last updated in 2001
@QPaysTaxes I'm just future proofing my legal defense
 

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