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4:01 PM
There is a F in Force, and a great deal of that is needed
 
JAL
Thanks PC Principal. I was just trying to bring attention to something that I am genuinely stumped by as well. — gregblass 23 secs ago
 
@DavidRobinson hey dude!
 
JAL
lol
o/ Aaron
 
@DavidRobinson Hi, Congrats on that blog on SO. It was really nice.
 
4:12 PM
@AaronHall hey Aaron, how's it hanging
thanks!
 
I'm about to be back at work after holiday vacation, I'm feeling pretty good, a little destressed. :)
 
Thats nice. I took off between Christmas and new years and it was a great.
 
And Suddenly Everyone Was Blue
 
And there was a blue feet
 
she hasn't said anything in here in a while that I have seen
 
4:21 PM
it Nathan, it. They are all its around here
@Praveen Watch your language
 
No need to get abusive, we moderate posts not users
 
@Tunaki But is I know someone is a she or he I can use she or he right?
 
@PraveenKumar that was over the edge. Don't comment on users please
 
@PraveenKumar high rep in one language doesn't mean any knowledge of how other languages work though...
I would have a hard time asking a good C++ question
 
Just don't ask why i++ + ++i or any permutation of that does not give you the right result.
 
4:31 PM
Does that mean I can ask why --i - i-- doesn't always return 1? :p
 
@TylerH not here
 
@Tunaki Sure, go for it :p
mods, mods everywhere
 
Ah... C++. An experiment to see how many gotchas could be slipped into a language specification before developers would revolt.
 
@NathanOliver Go grab em all
 
Gota catch em all
 
4:36 PM
@TylerH The top answer sucks (use position: absolute, which doesn't fly in either question), the self-answer is basically "I did it some other way", and I'm not sure how many of the other answers are worth migrating
 
@FOX9000 sigh
 
@rene Eh, which comment are you talking about. Sorry.
@TylerH Which one?
 
@rene Oh, sorry about that. But seriously, a Google Search would have got him better results right. I thought he should have done that before asking it. Agree? I accept I was over the limits. Sorry.
 
@PraveenKumar contain yourself ... that's all ... let's move on ...
 
4:44 PM
@PraveenKumar Guy has hundreds of questions, more questions than answers. Doesn't seem great at answering questions either
So yeah, unfortunate that his questions still aren't great after so long
Generally happens with any user who shoots first, asks questions lat... wait a minute
 
That might all be true, in this room we only judge the content of the post and refrain from bringing the user under scrutiny.
 
JAL
BoltClock shot first!
o/ BoltClock
 
@BoltClock I'm ok with marking them as dupes of a better (albeit newer, probably) canonical
if you know of one
 
should we respond tp- to that?
 
nope
 
4:52 PM
f then?
 
:) Data race for the win \o/
 
> down vote favorite
Heh, copied from softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/339499/… - who knows if it was a cross-post
 
Waffles
 
noon!
(lol, what timing)
 
5:00 PM
Bolted. 5 CVs wasted :D
 
dear god, someone opened a thing of tuna in my area somewhere
must evacuate
 
Hiya gunr
 
Hiya gunr
 
Hiya gunr
 
Ok, got a wording question. I've got a list of Groups. Each group has a list of Items. A Group and an Item each have an Id. I'm making an sql table to keep track of those relationships (it's a many-to-many, each Item can be in multiple Groups). I'm trying to come up with generic descriptive names for those Id properties. The ideas is that you use one entity (ex: a Group) to find the members it contains (ex: Items).
For the first one, I was thinking SourceEntityId, but what would I do for the Items one? Also open to suggestions for changing the first one.
 
5:06 PM
I'd use GroupId and ItemId.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels you already posted that one? here: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/34970559
 
Same as Glorfindel
 
@Glorfindel Can't do that, because it might not be a Group for the first property
 
@rene: oops, that's what happens when you're working post call and haven't had enough sleep. Thanks for posting that.
 
why not?
 
5:06 PM
It might be some other type of collection
 
Then ParentId and ChildId.
 
@Glorfindel YES, that's what I was looking for, thanks!
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels np, fixed
 
5:07 PM
@rene: thanks!
 
@gunr2171 what is this, css?
:-P
 
Interfaces in c#
 
FR: Let the cv-pls script decide not to post if it has already been requested.
 
talking about parent and child IDs n all...
 
@BhargavRao Lot of work to do that
 
5:08 PM
@BhargavRao Step 1 is storing the thing conveniently for later reuse...
 
I nominate Tuna to write that code
2
 
Seconded Tyler
 
@Tunaki Well I do still have that AWS instance...
 
I'll delegate the task to Nathan, he needs to learn JavaScript.
 
no, no, no, no, no, no, I haven't been bad
 
5:11 PM
@PraveenKumar & rest of the room - that a question's answer could be found by a simple Google search is no reason to close it. These questions can create a lot of value for Stack Overflow.
4
 
@rene I'm guessing the chart here is not from SEDE?
we don't have a way to query chat from SEDE, right?
 
@gunr2171 that is right. but they have sede also running internally
 
COME ON GUYS, GIVE US THOSE TOOLS
 
@AaronHall Right it is not a close vote reason but it is something to down vote for since minimal research effort is expected.
 
so the chart you see is technically from the SEDE software stack
 
5:13 PM
Chat is not on sede, so it couldn't have been from there, right?
 
On the public instance there are no chat databases, correct
 
darn
 
@NathanOliver Yeah, that's part of the mouseover downvote help. Keep in mind that even though you may think a question is trivial, it could be useful to others. But your vote is entirely yours to give as you see fit. (as long as you're voting on the content, not the user)
 
uh, not spam or abusive
undo, that's not spam or abusive...
or is this another test...
 
@gunr2171 you are redirected to the question
 
5:23 PM
@gunr2171 I can see why he considered rude That being said, I've got a solution for you. Just buy a new computer and make sure all your settings are on English.
 
There is another "answer" troll with the same text, only even more rude
 
oh god damn it, it was already deleted by the time I got there
 
sorry undo...
 
Do we need to bold answer just in case it gets deletd?
 
5:24 PM
imagines Gunr's "god damn it" in EnterElysium's voice
 
He was testing.... how fast you were going to handle that.
 
@NathanOliver might be a good idea
 
I once handled a Undo spam flag.
We both flagged spam at the same time, the system randomly picked mine as the last
 
It wasn't random, it was your destiny.
 
@SmokeDetector Link in answer broken for anyone else?
 
5:26 PM
Lol :D
 
@NathanOliver oh wait, smokey should already self-delete if the post in question is deleted, so what happened here?
 
I guess
 
and I did see the "answer", I thought it was the self-answer.
 
Not sure.
 
I dunno. I noticed Smokey does not delete things when doing "f" or others
when it used to
 
5:32 PM
2-minute edit timeout?
 
Nah I remember doing f before that. Meh
 
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 27 secs ago, by Undo
@gunr2171 Yeah, I probably outran the deletion websocket
 
> "scientists say" is not a citation
 
JAL
dat keyboard
 
@NathanOliver Yeah saw that one :P Curved screen + you can swap the touchpad with a number pad
 
It's insane.
 
@NathanOliver If someone gives me one, I'll take it, and put it on a shelf somewhere.
 
5:53 PM
Surprise filling at the dentist today.
Went in for cleaning, informed they had missed a cavity last time.
 
Not as bad as a surprise amputation when you go to the doctor.
 
I didn't have anesthesia
It was quite an experience owo
 
Wouldn't be a surprise otherwise. The anesthesia is a dead giveaway.
 
@Compass Did you have to wear the cone of shame afterwards?
 
5:56 PM
No, the cone is only reserved for treatments that are stitched and should not be licked.
 
Oh. Thats good then
 
That being said, I do have a hooman-sized cone of shame that was included with Exploding Kittens' expansion pack, Imploding Kittens
 
Wow, Amazon has a high-quality picture of the cone. images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41K8T4JUtDL.jpg
 
5:58 PM
You're supposed to wear it if you forget which way the game is going.
 
@Compass this is so awesome
 
It's a really fun game.
 
I want one for every board game ever
 
Yes it is
 
You could just make your own cone of shame <_<
 
5:59 PM
That requires the ability to cut circles.
 
No, it actually doesn't. A cone of shame only requires the ability to cut two straight lines and and two arcs.
 
yeah, do you have any idea how hard it is to cut a perfect arc without opposable thumbs?
 
Roughly cone of shame.
Speaking of cone of shame, I have a picture of my dog with a cone of shame
 
user4639281
@Compass You just made me lost the game. Now you're all going to lose. Muahahahaha
 
when you mix up pom and pom
 
6:08 PM
Hmm, can't we add a comment using the API?
 
user4639281
@Undo Depends on the technology available...
 
user4639281
@BhargavRao IIRC yes
 
JAL
people still play the game?
 
@TinyGiant We can?
 
Once you start playing the game, you never stop. Until you die.
That is, unless you get amnesia and forget the rules.
 
I TAB BACK INTO THIS ROOM AND THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENS IS I LOSE THE DAMN—
BoltClock has been banned for abusive content.
12
 
eats a cookie
 
Too late, I'd already seen the pre-edit message
 
Well we are here to close things. I guess games also count
 
@tunaki can you re-dupe close this?
 
6:19 PM
I went ahead and made everyone in this chat perpetually lose the game for the next twenty-four hours as retribution for losing the game.
 
@NathanOliver Some music to go with that: youtube.com/watch?v=abeUTN9OB8I
 
user4639281
@BoltClock Knew it would get someone :P
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Oh god. What does that even mean
"In this array there are three lists"
 
ehhhh
so many reasons to close
 
6:50 PM
Not sure if it is the map, the array or something else the issue here
I guess all of them
 
@Tunaki After edit the Q appears too broad to me. The OP needs a lesson on a bunch of Java topics.
 
I'm tempted to vote unclear
 
Hiya Nobody
 
6:53 PM
Or abuse my hammer and delete it
Soooo tempting to do that
 
@Tunaki I've voted unclear in similar situations. The code is part of the message being conveyed and sometimes the OP wrote code that showed such misunderstanding that I could not tell what the question was exactly.
 
DO ITTT
ohhh :(
 
grumble grumble rep cap grumble grumble
 
@tunaki You made the wrong decision :p
 
@NathanOliver One closed two to go...
 
6:58 PM
@Yam The OP added links to screenshots of code, so it's a no go.
 
@Tunaki Looks clear to me
 
@NathanOliver See comment I just left...
 
Yeah I just dug deeper into the comments. Now I'm confused
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I won't mess the delete vote when it's closed :)
 
@JAL What's the dupe target for the NS prefixes being dropped in Swift 3?
 
JAL
7:05 PM
@NobodyNada I don't think there's a global dupe, but I have one for UserDefaults
let me find it
 
that's the one I'm looking for, thanks!
thanks!
 
user4639281
7:20 PM
Just posted this question on the dealer network forum at work, my immediate reaction to my own post was to reach for the vote to close button.
 
user4639281
Except posts like that are encouraged there.
 
The 1 sentence per paragraph is itching me
 
It's all about the culture of the site
 
user4639281
@Tunaki I like separating individual points. Related sentences are joined. I find it helps people not miss things.
 
user4639281
 
7:25 PM
Agreed, but then it means that 1 sentence is all it takes to make the point. So the point is trivial, or the sentence is very long. And I'm always right.
 
user4639281
@Tunaki I can say profound things with one sentence. drops mic
 
:D
 
@TinyGiant that caps
 
user4639281
The "great post" is what's killing me
 
Post: 320
 
user4639281
7:26 PM
But yeah, that guy types in all caps on every single post he writes. He also rarely uses any kind of punctuation or formatting
 
THAT SUCKS
 
user4639281
INORITE?
 
I AM THANKFUL FOR STACK OVERFLOW
 
I DONT NEED FORMATTING AND LOWERCASE TO SAY PROFOUND THINGS
 
user4639281
7:28 PM
IS THIS THE OBNOXIOUS TRAIN?
 
SELECT * FROM POSTS WHERE ID = 1
 
I THINK SO
 
THIS ISNT A TRAIN AT ALL
 
user4639281
@NobodyNada -1 for valid code as obnoxious train trainwrecker
 
For some reason, my computer momentarily loses Internet connection whenever I unplug the power adapter.
 
user4639281
7:29 PM
@NobodyNada My computer used to crash when I hit the wifi button
 
Or just switch to Windows.
 
7:42 PM
I'm hungry and I'm not sure why.
 
@Tunaki I originally closed this with the short circuit canonical but it's really about pre increment
but they say they know about that stuff
Can you reclose dupe of ++
or of just what && does
 
Btw, there are so many of those, any one you prefer? I found the one I used here recently and it looks nice
 
for prefix/postfix yeah
 
JAL
Update from Brian about the too many Shogs issue. Looks like three instances of Shog actually show up in API: api.stackexchange.com/docs/…
 
user4639281
@JAL It was only ever previously fixed in the web view.
 
JAL
7:51 PM
@TinyGiant yeah, figured. Must have been fixed years ago by now i take it
 
user4639281
In the back end it will look like shog closed it three times because he did.
 
user4639281
Eventually they will have proper tooling to do this kind of thing so it will only be one vote.
 
JAL
yeah
 
@NobodyNada I thought that was a "choose your own adventure" prompt.
 
8:15 PM
^ I love when people say they have searched the internet but want to know if we have the information. It's like they think SO and the internet are separate.
 
JAL
> i have searched the google but could not find anything
Really? You searched all of the google?
and then the classic:
> tanks in advantage
 
And:
 
Waffles
 
Ninjas
 
user4639281
8:17 PM
I love it when:
 
user4639281
And by love I mean:
 
Totaly:
 
I disagree:
 
Agreed:
 
user4639281
Purple:
 
8:19 PM
​
 
JAL
zero-width space!
 
or better yet: line-width space ;)
 
user4639281
better yet:
 
8:25 PM
@TinyGiant promoting a Meta answer!!! GASP THAT SPAM FROM A RO OOO WHAT TO DO WHAT DO TO
 
user4639281
Not spam if relevant.
 
@Tunaki Mod flag and turn away from the horror
 
Is it spam if I buy www.relevant.com and say it's always relevant?
 
user4639281
Nope, because it would be relevant
 
Ah no that makes sense
 
8:28 PM
Did someone say... 'horror'?
 
user4639281
goes to start a knock-off handbag company named Relevant
 
PS, my salad was a success.
 
user4639281
@Compass how did the shrimp work?
 
I didn't buy shrimp. Too expensive =w=
Maybe next time owo.
 
user4639281
:P
 
8:29 PM
Plus you spend hours preparing them :)
 
I think I need to dry out my romaine though
 
user4639281
@Tunaki I don't, the chinese food place down the street prepares them for me.
 
my completed salad was super-dense. Tasty, but i started with a giant bowl of romaine and ended up with a tiny pile :(
mezzaluna was super fun to use though, made cutting everything 100% easy.
`stackoverflow.com/questions/41513744/… I'm not brave enough to click this, but I'm pretty sure it's OT
 
@Compass it's just "is there a library for classifying images as pornographic and non-pornographic?"
 
Wow. A user asks a question, and posts an answer which is really a comment on another answer, and then suggests an edit to their own answer through a second account...
 
8:44 PM
That's not sock puppeting, that's 4D Stack Overflow.
 
8:54 PM
Does the edit here deserve reopen?
 
@BoltClock Thanks for the support. :)
@AaronHall I don't know how it makes sense, but I kinda tend to agree with you. :)
 
user4639281
@SotiriosDelimanolis Doesn't look like an off-site resource request to me
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Still feels too broad to me. Ask the same but in JavaScript. There are dozens of libraries/tools that can be used. What I'd say then is the OP needs to pick a specific tool, learn to write rules for it, and then if there's a problem with writing a rule, ask on SO. Is Java so different that this reasoning does not apply?
 
Is there a meta question anywhere that addresses what to do when the answer is simply "No"?
 
user4639281
@Louis is findbugs not a tool?
 
user4639281
9:02 PM
@JacobGray Absolutely nothing. No is a valid answer
 
low quality, maybe, but not VLQ and not NAA.
 
So, if someone asks saying "I want to do x with y language, is it possible?", then I can just answer saying "No, it isn't possible"?
 
You could
 
user4639281
It would be much more useful if they explained why the answer was no, and detailed any other possible options.
 
@TinyGiant OP continues with "or is there any other approach more suited for this purpose?" (Emphasis added.) The door's been left wide open.
 
9:03 PM
I might downvote it, and maybe comment that you should explain why, but I wouldn't delete it.
 
user4639281
@Louis that's a bit pedantic IMO, and I'm quite pedantic so that is saying something.
 
The thing is, with the question that got me thinking about this, there isn't any workaround/other options. It just isn't possible.
 
user4639281
@JacobGray Explain what makes it impossible
 
user4639281
@JacobGray If all else fails, "No, this is not currently possible" is a valid answer.
 
okay, thanks :D
 
user4639281
9:07 PM
In the future, it may even be possible.
 
@TinyGiant For lack of an argument, name-calling.
 
user4639281
@Louis hm?
 
@PraveenKumar Could you dupehammer these two questions: stackoverflow.com/questions/7880972/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/7152867/… ?
 
If you say no, at the very least, please provide a reason.
I saw an answer that said "No, this is not possible" and that was it.
Then a year later it was possible. But the answer was already accepted and now people assume it is impossible.
 
user4639281
9:23 PM
@Compass That's why I said "No, this is not currently possible", to point out that in the future it might be possible
 
Good =w=
 
@Gothdo why in this direction? seems people are finding the first one more easily
 
user4639281
@Gothdo Is your hammer not working?
 
@TinyGiant These question weren't tagged with [javascript].
 
user4639281
Ahhhh, I see
 
9:27 PM
@Tunaki I want him to dupehammer these questions with this as the target.
 
aah I missed that
 
I already dupehammered about 15 similar questions by using a simple Google search like "site:stackoverflow.com javascript check if value is in array".
 
Sounds good indeed
 
@Gothdo Seems reasonable, done. (I happened to see your request. This is not an invite to ping me. It's fine if Praveen wants to be pinged. I just happened to see it.))
 
@Louis Is that
@Louis a regular
@Louis basis?
runs away
 
user4639281
9:30 PM
See if I did that, I would be mean
 
@Tunaki :P
 
Are there any other regulars in this room with a dupehammer besides me, Louis and Praveen Kumar?
 
user4639281
IIRC Tushar has a hammer
 
user4639281
I only need another 563 upvotes until I have a js hammer
 
@Gothdo I'll check..
 
9:39 PM
@PraveenKumar I've done it.
 
:) :)
 
Two heads?? Ok, I need to readjust that mental image.
 
user4639281
:)))) How about 4 chins?
 
@TinyGiant That also requires readjusting the mental image.
 
@TinyGiant Isn't a chin but a mouth, closed with a smiling curve
 
user4639281
9:49 PM
)(;)-)) drops mic
 
That.... is... something. For sure.
 
@Tunaki :D
 
user4639281
omg, shog said I was right. The end is nigh
 
user4639281
@rene wine goes well with cheese...
 
@TinyGiant wine and cheese and bread together is a dream come true
 
user4639281
9:58 PM
I'm sorry but I really don't like bread
 
WHAT
like, all kinds of bread?
 
really?
 
good bread of course, not white bread, I'm talking baguettes here
 
user4639281
I really dislike all kinds of bread
 
user4639281
I can't eat sweets
 
user4639281
10:02 PM
I can eat some fruit, depending on the fruit
 
user4639281
I mostly eat meat and veggies
 
user4639281
Oh, I also dislike pasta and rice.
 
user4639281
But I do love me some wine and cheese
 
(it might not be general computing; in that case it's typo/cannot reproduce)
 
mod should straight up delete that
 
10:12 PM
@TinyGiant bah, did I really mess that up?
 
@Tunaki Your DV game is lacking for that json question.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Already delete voted... :)
 
user4639281
@rene No, I was just making a joke because you said you didn't like whining
 
God I hate being out of votes...
lordy lordy
 
10:21 PM
Do they reset at midnight UTC or midnight local time?
 
@TinyGiant I expected to screw up that so I actually checked Merriam Webster for the correct spelling. For a moment I thought I failed my copy-paste skills
@ivarni UTC
 
user4639281
:P
 
2 more hours
 
10:37 PM
screen cap of the doc
I don't see that often.....
 
On a side note, what do you do when a user has considerable rep but keeps posting relatively bad questions (or repeated dupes)? Like they just don't get it...
There's this one user that has posted at least 10 questions in the last 2 months that I've closed as dupes...all basic RTFM.
 
user4639281
@SotiriosDelimanolis Evaluate each post on a case by case basis. If the user doesn't change their behavior then they will end up with a ban.
 
@TinyGiant This user won't. They have enough good posts to make up for the trash they post.
@tunaki thanks
I think I had read that a while back
 
user4639281
As with anything truly problematic that the community cannot deal with on their own, flag it for moderator review.
 

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