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7:00 PM
I am pretty, sure this was discussed on Meta.
^ How a comma can change the whole meaning :D
 
^ lol
Hiya pretty <3
 
@FirstStep You can by improve edit and then just save... but you should only really use that if there's been a suggested edit for ages and you want to push it through... otherwise it's left for others to vote on it
 
Wouldn't it error out?
 
Of course - if the OP likes the edit - they get a binding vote on it if they see it (they get a notification whether there's a suggested edit or an actual edit made)
 
It wouldn't.
 
7:04 PM
"Your changes are identical to a pending edit, please review it."
 
@JonClements I am arguing because it is a waste of someone's time (two other reviewers). Maybe.. but since I have that privilege then yeah no need for others to review it over and over again.
 
@FirstStep sadly - there's some fairly lousy reviewers though that even at 2k will approve rubbish
Any more times you want that to ping me? :p
 
@JonClements well
@JarrodRoberson lemme see
ehmm..
@JonClements I think it is fine now!
 
rene passed an audit!
 
:P
 
SO is exploded with features*
 
Undoing an upvote?
Or the fact that it is still +10?
 
Undoing an upvote before doing it.
 
I should have added a red circle, I knew it.
There are 6 elements on the screenshot.
 
haha
 
7:10 PM
There were 0 upvotes beforehand?
 
-10 he mean
 
^
 
Link to the actual timeline
 
maybe they had already uprooted a while back, and they unupvoted then upvoted
 
7:10 PM
^
 
AARGH my computer is doing the uprooted thing again
Jun 18 at 20:28, by NobodyNada
My computer started auto-correcting "upvoted" to "uprooted"
 
@FirstStep nope
 
^ oh.. "Mr Bean"
 
@dorukayhan meh, roomba will get it
 
It works when I "Improve Edits" then Save. The changes apply immediately without the need of two other reviewers' votes. But what I noticed is that I need to "improve" something, even if the post is kind of flawless. (More work for the reviewer - added to the work of original editor).
 
7:17 PM
!!/notify 41570 stackoverflow.com-
 
@FrankerZ You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 2 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 1 hour, 6 minutes, and 18 seconds, averaging to a review every 1 minute and 39 seconds.
 
1. Depends 2. That's off-topic. Also, you're printing the address of the vector. — Rakete1111 1 min ago
 
@ColdFire I went with too broad
 
I'm out of votes
sad time, there's 5 hours left in my day
 
^ I will be your voice
Buy me a waffle.
 
7:23 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis did you just miss the "too localized" close reason?
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis but also in summer ...
 
@dorukayhan For which one
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis this
 
I don't remember the wording on too localized, but yeah it would probably apply
 
@rene You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 1 was an audit), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 49 minutes and 42 seconds, averaging to a review every 1 minute and 14 seconds.
 
7:30 PM
@Machavity yes, it could be the belt tensioner too. As I'm not a mechanic, my educated guesses can only go so far. It's not the battery, though. I was jumped off by a coworker and almost immediately the same issue happened. So that would be an issue with the belt that is affecting the engine throughput, and/or the alternator is dying, and sending erratic levels of current through to the system.
 
Did you get a multimeter?
 
I did but we ended up not using it because my coworker offered to jump start my car
 
So have you taken the car to a mechanic or something?
 
which we did successfully but then after about 15 seconds it started experiencing the same issues; engine sounded like it was running at too low rpm, instrument panel died, couldn't accelerate the gas pedal to give it more juice or anything
I have free roadside assistance and towing through AAA so I'm going to call them in a bit and have them tow the car to my mechanic who, luckily, is nearby
I'll have him look at the belt tensioner and serpentine belt, the alternator, and the battery
 
Great! Let us know how it goes!
 
7:32 PM
will do
My fingers are crossed that it will be a simple labor job since it's a minivan and there's lots of space to work
 
I would not be surprised if it is just the battery.
 
It really shouldn't be the battery, it's only two years old
 
also back
 
but the problem still happens while the car is running, so the alternator isn't generating enough power
 
meh. I have seen batteries go bad that are newer.
 
7:33 PM
and I got a duralast high end one
I've seen them go bad too, but it's uncommon
 
Oh wait yeah. Battery could be good but not getting charged. Battery or alternator,
 
I've also received mobos DOA but it's unusual :-P
 
that experience turned me off of ASUS for a while..
 
Are you back with them now?
 
7:36 PM
I think I have an ASUS motherboard currently
 
I used to have Intel D865PERL MB and it went bad on me after 6 months. I had a new one in 2 days and that include shipping them the bad one so they could check it. After that I used ASUS. Haven't had a problem with them.
What is amazing is the cost on those things has not dropped really. I paid $200 for one 10 ish years ago and they are still $100+.
 
note to self, I can now assume Nathan is more than 10 ish years old
 
@Tunaki eleven, yeah
 
@NathanOliver Heyo o/
 
7:44 PM
No, eleven.
 
o/
 
o/
o/
 
Sam
7:45 PM
o/
 
o/
 
Well I needed to motor control to build the pc so lets say at least 15. i think 7 is when I torn down and put back together my first pc
 
nvm
 
muhahaha
 
7:45 PM
:D
 
trainwrecker
 
o/
 
^ running Java Rizier? :D
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o/
 
7:46 PM
@TylerH AAA is cool but it sure isn't free. Towing insurance :P
 
Sam
> Rizier.exe has stopped responding.
 
@Tunaki Why? What? I don't get it? :)
 
@Sam I read that Rizier.axe
 
:)
 
Have I been watching too many horror movies lately?
 
7:47 PM
@Sam that is windows
 
Or am I just too unaccustomed to this atmosphere?
 
it should be Rizier.jar has stopped working becoz of NPE
 
Why? Is the room comparable to a horror movie?
 
I guess two weeks out was long enough for me to miss you guys. Congrats dweebs
 
Sam
@ColdFire Yeah I know, Java runs on Win though.
 
7:48 PM
The last part's not serious BTW
 
@Sam it is platform independent that is why it is java :)
 
Which part of a molecule talking is serious?
 
@Machavity right? It's worth it though
 
@Tunaki It looks like a lot of ash with Porkchat's dark theme
@Tunaki This message is highly urgent and serious
 
@Rubisco ohh you are dead :)
 
7:49 PM
@NathanOliver Yeah I need to get a new mobo eventually. I'm not happy with the performance and temps of my AMD APU
 
@TylerH Heck yeah
 
not sure if I'll go back to just AMD CPU or if I'll convert to Intel for the first time
I just can't justify the price of Intel CPUs for the marginal performance boost
 
@ColdFire Not anymore
 
I can. Intel FTW
 
I'm now the reason you're alive.
Half-alive
 
7:50 PM
Woot?
 
I don't run 3d mark on my computer or game at 3840x1080
 
so there's not much reason to need an Intel
 
@TylerH Actually the Intels are doing better. Get an i5 and they do well. Next machine I build will prolly be one
 
7:51 PM
I can get 60fps at 1920x1080 with my AMD CPU for $200 less
 
I've had an Intel or 2.00000000379 in my life
2
 
000000)0000?
 
I'm just an Intel guy. I thought of getting an AMD chip when they first started doing x64 but then Intel came out with the i series and I couldn't resist.
 
@Machavity Right. I know Intels run better. I'm saying they're too expensive to justify the little performance boost over AMD IMHO
 
@Tunaki Take a look at what Rubisco does on Google . . . no need to thank me
 
7:52 PM
I'd like to get an i7 if I do go to Intel
only problem is I'm also trying to save money for a car
 
Yeah. A really nice i7 can set you back quite a bit.
 
I have an i5 in my laptop
 
and these $200 to $400 little gifts I have to keep paying for every 6 months or so doesn't help
 
car price is comparable to i7?
 
@ColdFire lol almost
 
7:53 PM
@Rubisco Yeah I know what it is :).
 
no, I'm trying to save $10,000 for a downpayment on my car when I get a new one
 
@TylerH here if i buy 10 i7 i probably wont be able to get a caar
 
I'm not quite there yet, but I'm able to put away $200 to $300 per month (sometimes a little more) toward it
 
@TylerH Get a Civic. They're not much more than that
 
except when I have to pay for something wrong with this car that I have now... I don't get to save any money that month
@Machavity I want a good car
also not one that's heavily used
 
7:55 PM
@TylerH They are good cars. You want junk get a Kia
 
lol nah I'm not getting a Kia
though they really improved when they overhauled their lines back in like 2011 or whenever
the Kia Optimas look really nice but they're still Kias
Also btw a new Civic starts at over $19k
 
My cousin and her husband both bought Subaru's and they love them. I am thinking of doing the same.
 
I do like Subarus
the crosstrek specifically
 
The day no more LQ posts existed and we turned to talking about cars
 
There are LQ cars.
 
8:00 PM
LQ cars are far more dangerous than LQ answers
 
@rene to be fair it started with me and my car troubles earlier on today
@Machavity Right now I'm looking at the Mazda CX-5
 
@TylerH I work with a lady who has one. She loves it.
 
having already crossed the Nissan Juke, the Jeep Cherokee, and a couple other S/CUVs off the list
 
Mazdas are good too
 
though I did see a Mitsubishi Outlander earlier today that looked pretty nice... not sure about how good their cars are
but I know the Mazda CX-5 has gotten great reviews from car & driver, etc.
 
8:02 PM
Looks like your plot to get the conversation back on-topic failed rene...
However, my plot to kill any conversation was successful...
 
!!/alive
 
and now you are getting stared
 
@dorukayhan Yup
 
Crickets
 
!!/blame
 
8:07 PM
@ColdFire It's rene's fault.
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ROFL
 
Oy!
 
unicorn's doesnt like flower's afterall
 
I was told to come here to try to get this question reopened? It's a question, and Processing defines an internal width variable. Even though the width variable is internal to Processing, the question has been closed because the OP didn't include the definition of width (and because if taken as a purely Java question, it would be pretty broad).
 
@SmokeDetector perfect
 
8:14 PM
The way I look at it is this: if a question was tagged with javascript and jquery, it wouldn't be closed for not providing the declaration of the $ variable.
 
I don't think anyone likes flowers. Too much pollen
 
@KevinWorkman agreed
btw @KevinWorkman repeated spamming of that same comment is a little aggravating to readers
 
@TylerH Is there a better way for me to notify all of the users who originally voted to close the question?
 
@KevinWorkman Yes, just leave a comment and let them read it organically if they return to the question.
 
thanks @Tunaki
 
8:16 PM
You don't need to notify each closer individually
 
because any group of 5 users over 3k reputation can reopen the question
 
Does it need the tag?
 
@TylerH The problem with that is most users aren't going to return to the question, but your point is taken.
 
it's fun dupe hammering a question to a target of the same guy that answered. Who he himself could have dupe hammered
 
8:17 PM
It's going to land in the reopen queue because of our edits (if it wasn't already)
 
@AndrewL. wow sd got 6 starssssss
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I would say it doesn't need it.
 
@KevinWorkman if you improve the question and vote to reopen it, it lands in a review queue
where any user in that queue will see it and can vote to reopen it
so it doesn't matter if the original 5 are notified
 
@KevinWorkman you can't actually ping them that way. You can only ping users who used their gold badge to dupehammer, users who edited, commented or answered a question. (and the answerers only on their own answer)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Your dupe there is completely inappropriate.
 
8:18 PM
@TylerH Good to know. That still has the problem of Java folks not knowing what Processing is, but it's better than nothing.
 
in fact it's a waste of time to focus on them anyway once the question is closed, because they can only rescind their close vote while voting is pending. Once it's closed they can only cast a reopen vote
 
@Adriaan Ah, gotcha. That's probably what I was thinking of.
 
@NathanOliver The question probably is completely inappropriate.
 
If Processing is a language on its own, can't you remove the java tag?
 
Edited a bit @Kevin, it's reopened now
 
8:19 PM
@KevinWorkman might as well remove them all
 
@Tunaki thanks much!
 
That does not mean we use the wrong dupe target. That is just lying to people
 
@Adriaan will do
 
Yeah. I still think Processing question shouldn't be tagged Java by default.
 
@KevinWorkman and @SotiriosDelimanolis are you cleaning up the comments?
 
8:20 PM
Yes
 
@gunr2171 Yeah
 
ok, thanks
 
@Tunaki might be a candidate for a tag warning
 
yes ^ might want to ask for that @Kevin
 
8:21 PM
@NathanOliver They are lying to us regarding their questions, so what?
 
It's the same issue we had a few hours ago; you VTC as a typo instead of dupe-hammering to an irrelevant question.
 
@Tunaki What's a tag warning? As you've probably seen, I've mentioned this problem before on meta.
 
@KevinWorkman Like that
has been done for a couple of tags
 
@Tunaki @gunr2171 Interesting, I'll check those out
 
8:24 PM
@Tunaki Thoughts on this question?
 
@Machavity o_o
 
@KevinWorkman Although I mostly agree with your efforts in and I've voted to reopen here (maybe acted too quick), I really think we should've left it closed. The answer you've provided is interesting and is likely the culprit but I dislike guessing as there's no direct path from the question to the answer.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I'm going to edit my answer to include advice on including an MCVE in the future
 
8:36 PM
@KevinWorkman in those cases come here and reason with a few people for a reopen
 
@Drew Will do. I didn't know this room existed until Sotirios told me about it.
 
We love to reopen stuff. Gets us brownie points on meta
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@Drew haha how so?
 
@Drew I'd rather have waffles.
 
and in 7 more java points ya better remember this room
@KevinWorkman all the meta heat we get for being close crazy
 
8:47 PM
@Drew lol
 
@Drew oh cool, I didn't even realize I was that close to a tag badge! I've been too worried about trying to climb the Top Users list of the Processing tag :p
 
@Adriaan chocolate chip waffles?
 
JAL
In what cases does an edit not automatically mark a NAA flag as "helpful"?
 
@JAL when it was done outside of the queue
 
JAL
Ah ok
So I should just retract my flag then?
 
8:48 PM
Dunno, what's the issue?
 
JAL
(if the post has been edited into shape)
 
ah yes
 
@TylerH hmm, rather naturel
 
yep
 
JAL
8:49 PM
thanks
 
any c guy (cc @πάνταῥεῖ) maybe this is ok now and can be reopened? stackoverflow.com/questions/39612616/…
 
@PetterFriberg "show 52 more comments"
sorry, I'm out of it.
 
lol (that's how I found it), but it seems like it was edit to include a mcve...
 
@PetterFriberg Hmmm, no.
 
If that took 52 comments, something is very wrong somewhere
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8:53 PM
ok
 
The problem is elsewhere.
@Petter For cc'ing with better ping our new friend @Olaf BTW
 
meeh just saw that it was edit with an mcve after it was closed... but I personally have no clue other than that OP seemed to care about the question.
 
JAL
wow 52 comments. Wasn't there something on meta about a post with 80+ comments?
Shouldn't that raise an auto flag?
 
9:09 PM
bad, bad gnat! "This is not a discussion, it is a directive. Where is the community input? This question resembles a rant more than it seeks input..." Not to mention that he enjoys teasing
 
Who called the spanish inquisition?
 
@gnat I'm not giving you a sock (or other article of clothing) now.
 
Hi @πάνταῥεῖ.
 
Hey @Olaf
 
@PetterFriberg @PetterFriberg: Checked the question. That is too windows-specific for me. And it still is not an MCVE (in the sense of being complete & standa-alone). I don't dare to re-open it. Just leave it to the original CV-ers.
 
9:19 PM
@Petter called the spanish inquisition: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/33003853#33003853
 
@πάνταῥεῖ: I'm well ahead ;-)
 
@Olaf I thought the same :)
 
@Olaf poke it with soft pillows, with only tea and biscuits at 4!
simply unclear ^
 
@Adriaan: I'm pretty sure it was cushions, but maybe it was lost in translation ;-)
 
9:22 PM
@PetterFriberg 3-3 against North'Merica, it's safe to watch again :p
 
^ what's with that revision history? stackoverflow.com/posts/38825601/revisions edited once every week
 
So, where's my armchair?
 
@Olaf wait, you don't speak English? Though the English do speak three languages: English, light English and gibberish
@Floern that's rather peculiar
 
Could I get help closing this and this closed as duplicates of this? The user has posted the same question three times, and I've answered the first post.
 
9:24 PM
@Olaf ok, thanks.
 
@KevinWorkman you can submit a cv-pls, that is to say post a message starting with [tag:cv-pls], we filter by them. See also that message as an example
 
@Adriaan : ) Keep me updated if Sweden scores otherwise not.....
 
@Adriaan: What is English? I just stream random words from google. (Well , I'm indeed pretty certain it was cushions in the original, though :-P
 
@PetterFriberg they just scored the 3-3. They're through to the semis with overtime. I'll keep you posted ;)
 
9:26 PM
@KevinWorkman and also see the faq
 
@Tunaki Thanks, still getting used to this room, and chat in general
 
@Olaf I'll check after the game :P
 
@Floern I'd guess he's just trying to bump the post
 
@Olaf Cushion and pillow are very similar, subtle difference maybe
 
@KevinWorkman this and this seem to be same question or am I wrong?
 
9:29 PM
@Olaf it were cushions. They look a lot like pillows though; cushions I associate with rather stiff ones you put on your sofa (either the 0.5x0.5m ones to sit on, or the smaller mobile ones to prop behind your back), whilst pillows are more the soft ones you put under your head when sleeping.
 
@Adriaan Pillow == Kopfkissen
 
@PetterFriberg Sorry, copy paste error. Here are the duplicates: stackoverflow.com/questions/39601271/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/39574267/…, which are duplicates of this: stackoverflow.com/questions/39562911/…
 
@πάνταῥεῖ that only slightly helps :P I'd say German is my fourth language (after Dutch, MATLAB and English)
 
9:34 PM
@Olaf yes, just found that ;)
@KevinWorkman still, please format them as [tag:cv-pls] so our scripts can pick them up.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ: I just like that specific BE accent
 
@Olaf Or lower east side LA slang :)
 
You are trolling me by first answering my question, then commenting on my editing history and finally asking me "what is your question". The question is to fix or remove the Code Snippets feature of SO since it does not work well. — Alexander Farber 47 secs ago
Oh meta, u so silly...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ: I'm not familiar with that one.
 
@Olaf Neither am I :)
 
9:38 PM
And my answer is that the code snippets work just fine. — Cerbrus 2 mins ago
Apparently not since they broke my 2 recent well-written questions. — Alexander Farber 1 min ago
Because someone didn't include the proper libraries! A car doesn't run if you don't install it's engine. That doesn't mean the car is broken! — Cerbrus 26 secs ago
He's... "special" xD
 
@Cerbrus Once when I started here I came with the premise "There are no silly questions, only wrong answers" Meanwhile I'm convinced that almost all questions are just silly :P
 
@Adriaan Umm okay, let me know if this is correct:
 
@πάνταῥεῖ: Didn't we all learn there "are no stupid questions"?
Well we all learned later our parents weren't always right.
 
@KevinWorkman yes, very good :)
 
@Olaf We were taught incredibly wrong.
 
9:41 PM
@KevinWorkman Close; I think you have to make each one it's own message for the scripts to work.
 
@KevinWorkman the actual tag on the question isn't strictly necessary though; that's just something our CV-userscript does automatically
 
@Olaf I have to struggle with that enough :P
 
@Adriaan I was going off the FAQ which says "If you are using 'duplicate' as a reason, it would be a good idea to include the primary tag of the post with the request."
@NobodyNada Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh. Alright one more time....
 
lol, let Tuna move it by hand...
 
@KevinWorkman ah, sure. Didn't realise that was added. I just know that the userscripts takes care of all the hassle ;) Makes sense thoguh, then people who have a gold badge there can hammer it
@KevinWorkman looks good!
 
9:45 PM
waffle
 
I quit
actually, edited
 
@Olaf at your service sir
 
@KevinWorkman Time to get the user script ; )
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@KevinWorkman Thanks! Formatting of these wouldn't be such a big deal...except that we have scripts & bots that rely on the formatting.
 
@PetterFriberg Today is apparently a day of learning, I didn't even know about this room until about an hour ago, now I've gotta go find out what a user script is! :o
 
9:48 PM
Oooh they are great.... tamper monkey and these socvr.org/userscripts, there are also other nice stuff from Tiny and Tuna
 
@KevinWorkman Basically, it's a piece of JavaScript code that you install in a browser plugin to run on certain websites.
 
@PetterFriberg overtime is coming; Sweden's in the semis regardless of what happens now.
 
The cv-pls userscript adds buttons to automatically send requests.
 
Thanks for the comment, @Drew
 
it was outrageous
 
9:50 PM
@Adriaan \o/, time for me to start watching these games...
 
@PetterFriberg problem though is that from now on they'll be at 02:00 our time if I'm correct. The best-of-three final is for sure...
 
arrg ok, need to drink more coffee
 
bah it is an excuse to drink coffee
 
@PetterFriberg: Which browsers do the scripts support?
 
@Olaf all browsers except IE : )
 
9:54 PM
@PetterFriberg So all browsers? Since no-one actually considers IE to be one...
 
@PetterFriberg: So how would I install them in rekonq?
 
That you will need google : )
 
@Adriaan I've got a toaster. Can the userscript run on it?
 
@PetterFriberg: I love such answers ;-)
@gunr2171: If you toaster has a browser, not just a browner ..
 
9:55 PM
search for a tamper monkey on that browser.. or something similar
 
@Tunaki that page says:
> This feature is probably the best candidate to be implemented first.
 
@gunr2171 Sure, but it returns "418 I'm a teapot".
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@gunr2171 probably, you can even Linux boot it to run voice control :P
 
@NobodyNada yeah... doesn't look good
 
@PetterFriberg aww, lost in overtime. Still through to the semis as group winner though
 
9:56 PM
@Tunaki: "This feature is probably the best candidate to be implemented first." - looks not very positive right now. So maybe later ...
 
@Adriaan Yeah lets beat'em in the final.
 
So "All browser, except rekonq" (I suspect konqueror is also not supported, but as SO has problems with that anyway ...).
 
@Olaf what about lynx?
 
the terminal browser. because "why would you want graphics?"
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@NobodyNada: Surprisingly I prefer a GUI on my desktop ;-)
looooong time since I last really used it
 

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