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5:00 PM
The userscripts are helpful also of course
 
@ColdFire Don't ask me!
 
@ColdFire Not enough bribery to the devs ;)
 
@ColdFire Probably to hinder them opening pandora's box
 
@JonClements i personally would have liked to have this feature
@NathanOliver haha
@πάνταῥεῖ nope i disagree with your agreement
 
so, what's that thing that makes your car start up between the battery and the engine?
because I'm pretty sure mine just died
 
5:02 PM
@TylerH The starter?
 
you mean the starter motor?
 
@TylerH The fuel pump?
 
the gas tank
 
Hi @Undo!
 
Wheels?
 
5:02 PM
Oy
 
@TylerH the gas
 
the battery works fine on the first and second key turn, but the third where it actually starts the motor, it makes that machine gun firing sound
 
ask gunr then
 
Is it manual or auto?
 
Sounds more like a dead battery; could also be a bad starter but I'd put money on a bad battery
 
5:03 PM
@Henders auto
 
That happened to my dad's car on Sunday morning as we were trying to go to church; the battery was dead
 
@Henders This should make no difference at all :P
 
The starter takes a lot of current
So even if lights and everything are working fine, the battery still might not have enough power to run the starter
 
I noticed it when I was driving back from lunch. My radio cut off and I tried to turn it back on, nothing. Then I realized my entire instrument panel was dead/haywire
 
yeah, battery or possibly grounding problem
 
5:04 PM
Hmm, it shouldn't be the battery... it's only a couple years old
I'll have to check things out under the hood
 
@TylerH alternator?
 
not the starter motor. The alternator
 
do you have a multimeter?
 
@NobodyNada not handy
 
@Rizier123 need your help ^
 
5:04 PM
@Drew Why would it be the alternator?
 
this is Georgia so maybe somebody at work does in their truck
 
@undo because then the battery couldn't charge
 
@TylerH My car did that once - the air conditioning turned off and then the radio turned off... turns out I was so low on fuel - the car did that to preserve fuel... but I was thinking the car was failing!
 
@TylerH Batteries can die prematurely.
 
@Louis I know
 
5:05 PM
@NobodyNada Could be a root cause, I suppose
 
but they shouldn't typically
 
@TylerH keep in mind that most things under the hood belongs there. Don't throw it out
 
And that'd fit in with stuff dying while driving
 
@undo can do if your starter was seized I thought. Hence putting it in gear and rocking it if it's a manual.
 
I had about half a tank of gas when this happened so I doubt it's the gas
 
5:06 PM
Well if the radio & instruments are acting up, the battery's probably dead
 
@TylerH My (our) 2011 Sienna just had the battery die, and we live in a moderate climate and it wasn't setting for a long time or anything. Stuff happens
 
my guess is it's probably the alternator or some belt got loose
 
@Tyler There's a lot of facilities between battery and engine. The mentioned fuel pump is one of them. Also the ignition needs to be synched, I know that from my old Yamaha Motorcycle.
 
 
Track down the place you bought the battery from (if you did) and march in there. Places around here usually replace for free if the battery is under x years old
 
5:06 PM
it still may be an alternator problem
 
7 years max for a battery
 
for starters (no pun intended) I will focus my search on the starter circuit
because the battery cranks OK
 
Guessing you tried starting with no other electrics running like fan, lights etc?
 
Doubtful if it's making an attempt, but I suppose it's possible
 
this battery is about one or two years old
 
5:07 PM
your car is already started and rolling around
 
did you say the instruments & radio didn't work while you were driving?
 
@NobodyNada yeah, they cut out when I was driving
all the gauges went to 0, radio died, startup lights started flickering
 
then it's probably a problem with the alternator, since the alternator should be able to power the entire car AND charge the battery
 
how old is your car
 
when I first started the car up, I heard that high pitched squeeking sound that crappy old cars make that is often assocated with belts
 
5:08 PM
Were you going over a bump or a steep hill or something?
 
@undo no, a couple turns at stop lights but I was going straight on a flat road when it happened
 
weiiird
 
@TylerH Sounds like a short circuit in the system.
 
We can test what's going on with a multimeter
 
5:09 PM
I would expect your instrument cluster and such to be just fine even if the alternator failed. Should be able to run on battery power just fine
 
@Drew it's a 2000 honda odyssey but it's only had one owner and it's had regular maintenance at all the recommended intervals
 
@JanDvorak "...there's a stack for that!" :P
 
not sure if we've ever had the alternator looked at yet
 
@JanDvorak Brilliant proposal.
 
@TylerH hey, we had one of those. They're awesome and they go forever IME
 
5:10 PM
@TylerH alternators die
 
@JanDvorak pfft get out of here with your logic
 
Sliding door, neat.
 
@undo yeah, it's been great
sliding door on one side has jammed though so I have turned off the automatic slider
I've been trying to buy a new car for about a year but stuff has come up that has slowed my fundraising
 
How long had it been since you started it? Wondering if it's possible that they alternator was already dead, and you just chewed through the remaining juice in your battery to run the instruments and such.
 
I want to put $10,000 down when I get my next one and I'm not quite there yet
@undo maybe 50 minutes
 
5:11 PM
SOCVR: Closers of bad questions and diagnosticians of automotive problems
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I drove it to lunch and then it happened on my way back from lunch
When I tried to accelerate after the instrument panel died, it wouldn't really accelerate
I just heard that high-pitched sound that sounded like belt-slippage
 
Oh, I mean how long between starting and instruments flickering out.
 
@undo oh... maybe 1 or 2 minutes?
 
@NathanOliver Especially if diagnostic information is that vague :/
 
your alt is as dead as Elvis
 
5:13 PM
maybe the alternator had been dead for a while before the problem happened
 
Looks like '00 Odysseys had normal injectors.
 
@Drew He's dead? Really? You're tumbling down my world :(
 
@TylerH Sounds like you either have a dead battery, a dead battery and a bad alternator, or a dead battery and a broken belt.
 
@NathanOliver took you long enough
 
If the alternator was already dead, then when maybe staring the car on his way home from lunch drained most of the power and the battery finally died on the way back
 
5:14 PM
@Tunaki :P
 
:)
 
@Drew Which?
 
but if my battery died then why can I start the battery again after I parked and turned the car off?
 
@NobodyNada I find it odd that it could start the car, but only have enough current left to run the cluster for ~120s
 
true
 
5:15 PM
@TylerH And why can it even make an attempt to start if it couldn't run the instruments. Yeah, weird.
 
I'm gonna go down to the lot and try to crank it to the first and second position and see if the instrument panel works OK or if it dies again.
 
@TylerH Do you have a manual or automatic trans?
 
automatic
 
Auto
 
@Machavity this one here. I thru in some confusion to throw water on Martin stackoverflow.com/q/39622008 ... but keep it closed
 
5:16 PM
@TylerH Two reasons a battery dies: 1. The battery lost too much charge and fell below cranking amps 2. The battery cannot support a cranking amps charge. In case #1, if you jump it off and run it, it charges above the cranking amps and you're fine
 
@TylerH I once had a battery problem, where only one of the chambers was broken. Batteries can be weird beasts.
 
Bummer. No push start.
 
@NathanOliver pushing an Odyssey around a parking lot trying to push start it wouldn't be very fun anyway
 
@undo haha, that is a solid point!
 
4200lbs curb weight
 
user1228
5:18 PM
Sorry, channel, didn't know about the no-onebox rule. I just pasted the link and skedadled. You should FR turning that off :)
 
Oh. Didn't see he had an odyssey. lol
 
user1228
And away I go again...
 
It would be a sight to see
Bye
 
cya Will. Look forward to your flags :)
 
Hey all
 
5:20 PM
o/
 
o/
 
@undo it'd be pretty fun to watch though
 
@Drew Guess it'll be reopened anyways
 
@Rubisco Hey
 
5:23 PM
So I tried to start it again, in 1st key turn position the radio works, then 2nd key turn position the instrument panel lights up and air starts, but the radio doesn't work, and trying to crank at 3rd position gets that machine-gun sound
 
@FirstStep If he's behind everything, how can you see him?
 
so it may be a faulty battery or it may be the alternater
gotta find a multimeter
 
@TylerH It's battery. If it were the alternator it would still start, but die when the battery ran out
 
But if the battery was fine, he wouldn't have had problems WHILE driving.
 
5:25 PM
yes
 
@NobodyNada Unless it just ran out of juice, and the alternator wasn't recharging it
 
@Rubisco Either because he exposed himself or because I am an allien
 
@undo so both are faulty, or what?
partial short maybe?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ How is you? Anything new after I went offline?
 
@undo I have something similar to this. It adds enough amps to put a just-dead battery over the top
 
5:27 PM
@Rubisco I actually don't remember you in particular? I'm fine anyways
 
@NobodyNada Well, if the alternator is dead then nothing is recharging the battery
 
> No repro, IE 6/win98
 
So the battery might not be faulty, just out of power.
 
yeah, but:
13 mins ago, by undo
@NobodyNada I find it odd that it could start the car, but only have enough current left to run the cluster for ~120s
 
Exactly. Something doesn't really add up.
 
5:29 PM
could a partial short circuit be draining the battery too fast for the alternator to charge it?
 
@undo As mentioned, batteries with a single broken chamber can issue weird behaviors in the overall system. Been there. Was fixed with a new battery.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Never experienced that, but it'd make some sense
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I used to be dead. Now I reincarnated.
 
I wonder if it's belt related. Had a pulley come off my belt once. No power steering and just barely made it to somewhere safe to stop before overheating
 
5:30 PM
@Rubisco The molecule?
 
The molecule.
 
@Machavity I suppose that'd make sense; the alternator could just stop getting power
 
"Check the battery" .. "Yup, it is still there"
2
 
I'd still expect it to run the instruments on battery power for... a long time, though
 
and Tyler heard a squeal
 
5:31 PM
@Rubisco What caused DEATH?
 
Changing the username.
 
@Rubisco Only that? I thought you were at more rep when talking to you last time.
 
I was more than 101?
Now I'm Rubi but not on the rails.
 
@Rubisco My rememberings aren't that reliable nowadays :)
 
5:34 PM
 
@FirstStep The post is toxic.
My eyes are bleeding now.
Soon I'll be DEAD but the system won't let me.
 
@FirstStep lol
 
@πάνταῥεῖ dat closure
 
@πάνταῥεῖ...what did you close that as a duplicate of?
 
5:36 PM
@JanDvorak Of course, what would one expect?
 
Is this normal in the C++ tag?
 
...oh, I get it.
 
IMHO that question should be deleted
simple typo mistake that is
 
That seems kind of snarky to me
 
@JanDvorak It becomes more and more :/
@NobodyNada We need to throw these kinda questions back to the basics, so what?
 
JAL
5:39 PM
(waffles)
 
@FirstStep ^^ Or like this
@NobodyNada May be we could dispute dupe hammer misuse, but the answers are certainly found at the definitive guides and books.
 
please don't do that @πάνταῥεῖ
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I think it was a typo (the one with WARNING in the title)
And the second one I sent with a cv-pls tag, OP is asking someone to write the code for him (typical assignment when the professor provides the base code and students need to write the function definitions)
 
@Drew Hmm?
 
5:44 PM
related to that post
 
@undo Well, the OP seemed to be insightful. I know that's misuse to some degree, but as mentioned before the answers are in the Guides and Books. We nuge the OP to get back to read the essentials.
 
That's fine in a comment; it's an abuse of duplication
 
@Drew I must be missing something. I don't see that as a vampire. Are you saying not to close it?
 
@undo Okey, I'll consider that next time.
 
nah I'd close it
 
5:47 PM
I actually like the boldness of the closure
 
I agree with Undo. Sure, the asker needs to learn the basics, but that question is NOT a duplicate of the C++ book list and shouldn't be closed as such.
 
I don't agree it's a good closure either, but I do like it
 
The question can be closed as typo (or no MCVE, since the questioner didn't include the actual errors), and the book list can be linked to in a comment.
 
I dont agree too
 
5:50 PM
^ I have one
Why do Java programmers need to wear glasses?
 
locked by NullUserException
lol
 
Once, someone in this room (I don't remember who) said something like "Before you do anything, ask yourself 'How will this look in the meta argument?'"
 
@Machavity Great nail!
:)
 
@undo Huh.. when did you become a mod?
 
6:01 PM
Spring, sometime
 
I feel there should be some sort of badge or status indicator for those who contribute to the SE moderation tools like Smokey... might prevent questions like these. — Ian Kemp 9 hours ago
 
@undo Wow, that's exciting... congrats. :) I now feel like the vote that I cast for you wasn't in vain.
 
Thanks! :) It's been fun.
 
@Machavity The Don't ask section in the c++ tag wiki is very narrow atm. We should put some more definite no go's there.
 
Who said yesterday that these type of comments should be flagged as rude? stackoverflow.com/questions/39623493/…
 
6:05 PM
@FirstStep not rude, but too chatty would (have) work(ed)
For posterity:
> nvm im an idiot – Colonbracket 2 mins ago
 
@undo okay cool
 
and now it's a chameleon question
 
@undo "So, what do you do for fun?" "I moderate this coding website with a ninja dog, an anime nut and a guy who lost his mind"
 
Yeah, I'm weird and I accept it
 
@Machavity Sounds like fun. Where do I sign?
 
6:07 PM
"So what do you do for fun? Play any sports?" "uhhhh... well..." happens a lot
 
that happens to me too
 
That doesn't happen to me.
HAHAHA in your . . . wait a sec this isn't reddit.
 
FrankerZ has started reviewing!
 
My life right now: I wake up: Review and write algorithms at work. I take my lunch break: Review and write algorithms on SO. Then I finish my shift: Review and write algorithms in class. I finish and go home: I review and write algorithms on SO.
 
FrankerZ passed a audit!
 
6:29 PM
@SmokeDetector Edited quetion
 
@Machavity who is anime nut?
 
@FirstStep sounds normal
 
@ColdFire Madara Uchiha
 
@NobodyNada aaah forget about that
 
Why is there even a classification for comments? If a comment would be removed for being too chatty, and a comment would be removed for being rude...why even have users classify it? If it should be removed, just say "Should be removed"
 
Sam
 
@Machavity you forget to add a normal dog
 
@ColdFire undo IS the normal dog
 
@FrankerZ Hey o/
 
Jon is the better dog. Still upset he changed his name
 
@NobodyNada yes i am aware of that :)
 
6:31 PM
Even undo changing to lowercase. It seems out of place, still
 
Frank hey o/
@FirstStep sounds like recursion
and something exceptions throws
 
hey that's funny, one of those answers isn't a community wiki stackoverflow.com/a/525110/1743880
 
@FrankerZ sure, but the rude/offensive ones indicate a behavioral problem while the others are more a content issue. Bad behavior needs correcting based on easy found evidence. Bad content, specially comments, is meh
 
@rene But if it's ending up in the mod queue as "Should be deleted", then they can simply classify it and handle the necessary additional steps to address the problem. (They have to read it anyway)
 
@Tunaki are all answers community wiki if question is community wiki?
 
6:36 PM
ding ding ding :)
 
@FrankerZ I think we are much more capable of making the first judgement call. Any work a mod doesn't have to do is a plus.
 
Meh, punishing users just because they don't get a classification right: Discourages users from even reporting comments in the first place. That's why I pretty much stopped.
 
actually i was asking but nvm i got the answer
 
@Tunaki is there a way to vote dupe but not dupehammer if you have gold? Like here stackoverflow.com/q/39623920 (user Barmar)
 
@Drew nope
you're all-in
 
6:40 PM
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@FrankerZ Rude flags are significantly different, irrespective of what mods may eventually do. Some keywords in a comment (like the f-word) make it so that a single rude flag will result in immediate deletion. If there's no keyword, auto-deletion can still happen but it takes more flags (6?).
 
@Drew they must have went for something other than dupe
 
@Tunaki oh I get it he didnt vote dupe
 
@Louis I believe it's 3 for rude/abusive flags - 6 for the others.
 
@Louis If it contains the F-word, and I mark the comment as "Should be deleted", wouldn't that just be the same things?
OH MY GOD
You renamed back!
<3
 
6:41 PM
lol you are too late to notice that
 
When did Ninja Puppy die?
 
@FrankerZ I don't know what happens if there's a term deemed offensive but you decide to use a flag other than "rude". I would expect that the system would not treat it the same as if you had selected the "rude" flag but I've never tried.
 
He'll forever live on in our memories...
 
unless it was garbage collected...
 
@JonClements I put more stock in your belief than my memory.
 
6:43 PM
@Tunaki weak reference?
 
@Tunaki Yes normal -> I am a programmer = I have no life
 
^ yet another one
 
@ColdFire I don't understand recursion, could you please explain it to me? ;) stackoverflow.com/a/234868/5890227
 
i hate being out of downvotes
 
technically, out of ... yeah nvm.
 
6:50 PM
@FirstStep lol
 
Why I can edit a question and it gets approved right away, but I can't approve an edit and I need two more votes?
 
sounds like a bug or missing clarification
 
lol
 
Feature*
So If an OP needs an edit, I press [edit] and submit my changes -> Fine
 
@FirstStep Because
 
6:53 PM
But if someone else (less rep) done the edit, I press [edit], check it, approve it -> It says it needs two more votes to get effective
 
aaaaaah
 
@FirstStep sounds like a feature
 
because you open the review page of the suggested edit, like you would review them in the queue
 
when you edit yourself they trust becoz of rep, but when other edit they think you can do mistakes so 3 approve is needed i guess
 
So Mr Queue trusts no one? ehm.
 
6:57 PM
you can "improve and edit" to have the changed applies immediatly
or "reject and edit" to do the edit yourself, discarding what the suggested editor did
 
^ This. Will try next time
 
me wasnt aware of this^
 
It is still not logical though. If I can edit and apply the changes immediately, I should be able to approve someone's edit and apply their changes immediately.
 
I am pretty sure this was discussed on Meta.
 

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