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8:00 AM
LoL... Ha ha ha ...
 
hey @PraveenKumar o/
 
^ note both are different q links
 
8:01 AM
reason give me thz codes ? stackoverflow.com/questions/39588043/…
 
@ColdFire i < alarmObjectsArray.size()-1
 
@Tunaki aah yes i say now that he is using less than
 
@Tushar Rej & Ed
 
and gawn
 
@PraveenKumar that is nuked now :|
 
8:04 AM
> nuked. verb deleted by someone other than the author. ;)
 
que πάνταῥεῖ
 
Up to 19 socks found
 
I posted a modest proposal for making the snippets a bit less enticing: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/334901/…
 
could one of you come to this room to help me train a bot?
 
and that'll be all for today....
 
8:30 AM
@Tunaki TunaSleepzs?
 
Never.
 
Has anyone of you guys ever had to calculate the optimal route?
For something like delivering multiple items to multiple adresses?
 
I had to do it to minimize the path from the bed to the kitchen, where the waffles were.
 
@Tunaki No. The linked dupe says But the problem is for me, how can I include this into my jQuery? Where do I get event?
 
@Seth Yeah back in 2014 in Math Leistungskurs Abitur Exams
 
8:41 AM
@Tunaki >.< ... This is a truly painful topic
 
Its some semi-complicated modeling BS
 
@Magisch Dayum :P I have to do it programmatically. Would prefer not doing it manually, and instead using an API for that.
Problem being, I cannot seem to find a good API.
 
@Tunaki any opinion on my reopening this also note my last comment and/or if you have a better target for dh
 
@Seth postman algorithm?
 
@Tushar Ok, top 2 answers are pointing to that one (and accepted answer is the same). Can you edit with the diff?
 
8:43 AM
@Seth C# accessible google maps api works well for real time route optimizations I hear
 
@ColdFire Good call, holy sh... that's complicated though...
@Magisch Mh, google maps API does not return an optimized route
 
@Drew Oooh gold badge in mysql! Congrats!
 
@Seth Postman algo is a very very simplified means though
 
You pass it one starting location & multiple end locations & the API just returns the distance between start & each end point
 
It does not factor in regular traffic, bending, speed limits or elevation.
 
8:45 AM
@Tunaki Right, I didn't saw those two answers. HammerTime
 
Aye, I do not need that though, I just want to have a good route for now :)
Congrats @Drew!
 
@Tunaki Uh-oh. Doesn't have need more votes
 
thx guys
 
@Drew congrats
 
@Drew Meh. I think it's fine as is. We don't know how the OP is launching their app
 
8:47 AM
k thx
 
@Seth For simplicity you could use the google maps api to calculate the real distance between nodes, and then use a modded custom version of the postman's algo to optimize
That may get messy though if you have many stop points in your usage of it, IIRC the postmans algo is O(2^n) complexity
 
@Magisch I have 2 + n points that I need to calculate distances between.
-.-
And google maps api is limited to 2500 requests / day
 
@Seth that is right
 
For a route with 10 points I will need !10 requests.
 
@Seth for which are you developing
 
8:51 AM
And that's a tiny itsy bit above the threshold :|
 
if for mobile then gps provide distance between 2 points in straight line
 
@ColdFire Not mobile :/ Sadly. It's part of a bigger project & will serve planning delivery routes for orders.
 
so you're looking for a lib to solve a travelling salesman problem @Seth?
 
@Seth I wonder, do you have the GPS data of each endpoint? You could do some naive air distance calculation base with that, but still, if you're talking 20+ nodes your postman's algo will be starting to chug even if implemented properly.
 
@Tunaki Not necessarily solve it, but I'd like to get close to solving it :/
 
8:53 AM
But you really ought to use optimized real distance
maybe convince your company to buy a higher google maps api quota?
 
yes optimize it
 
@Magisch GL with that. >,< Not that they'd necessarily deny the request, it'd take months to process it though.
@Magisch Yep...
 
Also you may be able to shave off most API requests by chaining them
Thats still a ton though
 
@Tunaki That looks pretty good, thanks! I'll definitely give that one a try :)
 
general hardware and software
@AshishAhujaツ
 
@AshishAhujaツ IMO no.
It's a valid question about a specific programming tool.
 
@MadaraUchiha that what I thought. I just got confused because it was asking about "how to install" so I thought that maybe it should be closed
 
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Q: Tag for [Ownership] appears to be too broad - Burninate request

DrakenI just came across the tag of Ownership in my edit queue, being applied for a question about Rust. It appears the tag is a little too broad and we could do with implementing separate tags instead or removing them from the question? At the moment, ownership is being used for ownership of files, R...

 
Plus, it's a self answered question
So I'd cut the guy some slack, he put effort into it :)
 
9:11 AM
oh ok
i thought it should be in general hardware and software category
 
Hey @MadaraUchiha
I've been hunting socks all morning and already found 15 more cases of voting fraud then yesterday
:D
 
Would it be okay to post an [tag:approve-pls] on a suggested edit?
 
@NisseEngström makes sense to me
 
9:28 AM
@NisseEngström If it's one of yours, no. (you have enough rep, but it's the general case).
 
Thanks.
 
9:48 AM
sd f --Edited by Magisch
 
@Tushar Self vandalism is sd tp- usually
Its a true positive - but we dont blacklist the user over it
 
@Magisch which is same as f?
 
@Tushar No, sd f is sd fpu- which means false positive, unblacklist user (if blacklisted)
 
Ok. Will keep in mind. Thanks. :)
 
10:01 AM
 
 
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11:30 AM
Morning
 
Morning
 
Using Regex to parse JASON. Something tells me that will not end well unless it is a simple JASON structure.
 
@NathanOliver I use regex to parse everything (including (x)html) :)
 
11:45 AM
shudders
 
Grins fiendishly
 
Well just had this exchange:
> @NathanOliver a link to the answered question would be useful.
My reply
> @User It is at the top of the question in the This question already has an answer here: banner
 
It is possible to use regex to parse HTML, XML, JSON, and the like if what you mean to parse is data generated under controlled conditions and not try to parse any old document.
 
Yeah. You need a limit on what you are parsing. You will not be able to parse any arbitrary structure.
 
Hmm... It always worked so far :3 Might aswell leave it as is, until something bad happens ... he comes
 
11:49 AM
I do it every now and then. There are cases where spinning a whole XML parser for a very simple operation is just too costly.
 
I get that. But at least you know there are limitations.
 
I know that there are limitations, I just don't quite know what those are exactly :)
I will know once I encounter them though :D
 
:)
Seth, pusher of limits
 
I use it mainly for scraping, and I have pretty neat tests setup c: I think that should be good (and prevent bad things from happening).
 
why not just use Jsoup?
 
11:55 AM
Idk o.o
 
I like soup
 
you want him to come, right?
 
@ColdFire huh?
 
Does anyone know when winter bash will come? :o
 
11:59 AM
When you'll use Jsoup to parse HTML.
 
@Tunaki But whyyyy :(
I want to provoke the gods of programming by not following their ancient laws :)
 
He told Closey. And she told me.
 
@Tunaki Who is he? ô.ô
 
@AndrewL. your rep is increasing like mountain
 
(Look at the profile, the profile picture, and the name please)
 
12:12 PM
aah yeh
 
Member for 7 months though, so probably not spam.
 
@DavidG Everything about him screams self-promotion though :|
 
aah nope
he says i work for company
disclosure is there
 
He says it's his website. That's about it.
That doesn't change the fact that the question itself is truly terrible & - to me - seems to have no other purpose than self-promotion.
 
we can delete the question yes
 
12:14 PM
I mean, come on, he wants to transfer his website from shopify to php (???) & is scared that he's going to lose his database of customers? -_-
 
@Seth question is puffed
 
@ColdFire The requirement for disclosure is not "if you disclose your affiliation, then you're okay because it is not spam." It's that if disclosure is absent, it is more likely to be treated as spam.
 
@ColdFire Ahh, thanks :)
@Louis Can you tell me why it was deleted?
 
@Seth Deleted by users with enough rep.
 
@Louis Ah, okay, thanks :)
So it was not considered as spam, that's good to know.
 
12:18 PM
I considered it trash
 
yeah trash
 
@Seth I flagged it as spam. The account was created 7 months ago but had zero visible activity.
 
@Louis Would have done the same. Profile + Picture + Question just seemed like SPAM.
Meh :/
That was terrible again...
I'm waiting for the day when I'll see a spam post that's actually good.
Sneaky, clever, good-for-the-eyes
or atleast neutral.
The current type of spam makes me do anything but buy something off of those people
 
@Seth If someone is capable of writing sneaky and clever paragraphs that make you want to buy a product, they're not working for the sort of absolute bottom feeder that resorts to using spam.
 
@Magisch Hmm.. True.
:(
My poor eyes.
 
12:43 PM
We are Mechanical Turk, except we don't make 12 cents / hour
 
@Drew Who is that site even aimed at
 
People that need to afford cat food (for human consumption)
 
@Magisch 'Muricans, since you need a USA bank account to be able to get paid
 
@ColdFire because I am a mountain :)
 
12:57 PM
sd k rude/offensive
 
@AndrewL. i see
 
Spam, see the username and link
 
Final flag to delete ;)
 
1:09 PM
\0 Mast
 
1:25 PM
That awkward moment when you want to checkin 75 files and stash starts to do a backup .. smh :)
 
Huehuehue :)
Someone should be shot. Not fired. Shot. — squillman Oct 24 '09 at 1:40
Reading through old comments can be so much fun... :')
 
lol
 
sigh
How did that even get allowed?!?!?!?!?!?
 
and its back. Yay
 
1:31 PM
@TheLostMind What is back? ô.o
@NathanOliver The comment, the cables, or what? :o
 
@Seth The cables. The.. Madness...
 
@NathanOliver Huehuehue :)
It looks tasty though, I think I will eat some delicious spaghetti today :)
Whilst writing spaghetti code.
 
@Seth - The palce where I can checkin code :)
 
I'm planning on having pancakes for dinner tonight
 
@TheLostMind Ah :D
@NathanOliver Good idea ^-^
What the hell is going on here
What the hell is wrong with SO people
Would someone please explain me why this thing is getting these comments?
 
1:36 PM
It is not limited to just SO.
 
@NathanOliver Look at the comments.
The issue is so freaking clear & people with gold badges in java don't get it.
 
What about them?
IDK what the issue is
 
The f...ing valid :|
 
Aren't the comments trying to help him fix it?
 
@Seth - Its valid :)
 
1:38 PM
Also Hiya
 
@BhargavRao Apparently :)
 
Na. Intentional Spam if you ask me :)
 
@TheLostMind The user has rep
 
Was killed as spam
 
@BhargavRao Still pretty blatant spam
@BhargavRao Had rep. He's down to 1 now
 
1:40 PM
Yes. Sorry, your flags got disputed..
 
Is it ok to share some conversation that I find in SO here?
 
@TheLostMind Would you think that not spam?
 
It was quite obvious spam.
 
@Enzokie If you have questions related how to moderate the site we are all ears.
 
@TheLostMind I did not flag as spam. But, yep, Good decision. Thanks
 
1:41 PM
@TheLostMind I would hope that he lost his rep over that - that was more or less textbook spam. Why did you clear the flags?
 
To me he should get a warning, not nuked. It is a first offense and they have "good" contributions.
 
Yep.
 
@Magisch - Its spam.. and his IP is blocked for now...
 
-100 rep penalty for first offense...
 
and @NathanOliver and @BhargavRao - made valid points
 
1:42 PM
@TheLostMind That's a bit harsh, eh?
 
@NathanOliver and have a username declaring his position at the company
 
I find this guy comment too rude. But who knows I am just sensitive.
 
@NathanOliver The entire point of the 100 rep penalty is to be for first offense for established users
 
What would you all call this stackoverflow.com/a/39595490/4099593? Spam?
 
@Seth - Will get the IP block removed in some time :)
 
1:43 PM
@Enzokie Move ahead, That's it.
 
You mean flag it?
 
@Magisch Actually I think it is to stop spammers from doing other things. The guidance in here and on meta is to give established users the benefit of the doubt and treat the first case as a misguided.
 
@TheLostMind Why did you clear the flags though? It's been my understanding that posting spam is punished by -100 rep, why is this guy exempt from that?
 
@Enzokie Yeah, NC.
 
ok tnx
 
1:44 PM
@Enzokie That is hitting the rude line for sure.
 
@Magisch Not all spam.
 
@NathanOliver Sure, if its a borderline case. But if I started to post some BS like "XY training in bangalore" stuff, I'd fully expect to at least lose 100 points over it
 
@Machavity Too broad, opinion based, plenty of reasons why that should go down. Perhaps even VLQ.
 
If you take a look at meta you'll find some guidelines regarding spam from contributors.
1-rep-users can be nuked without mercy, hitting a -100 rep penalty on a contributor for the first offense is a bit harsh though.
 
Contributors with inappropiate self promotion type spam get a benefit of the doubt. This wasn't. This was just and completly spam.
 
1:45 PM
@Seth Do you have a link with that? Meta is big.
 
o/ morning all
 
@Magisch - There is no way of keeping the account active and removing 100 rep..
 
I would nuke that if it came from Jon Skeet
 
^^
 
@TheLostMind Didn't we do just that before you cleared it?
 
1:46 PM
Not disagreeing with you that the OP should have perhaps had a -100 rep punishment.
 
Before you cleared the flags, the OP had a -100 punishment, so why did you clear it? The IP ban from that isn't permanent
 
The user looks like he wants to help. Do we really want to destroy his rep with one errant post? Can't we let him know the error of his ways, delete it, and move on?
 
 
That --------------------^
 
There are others, I'm looking right now.
 
1:48 PM
@Magisch - Yes. I did.. OP has 4 accepted answers..
 
TLM gathered a lot of DVs on that meta answer ô.ô
 
@TheLostMind And has been spamming. Thats why I wouldn't destroy his account. But a -100 penalty is fully appropiate
 
@Seth -84, I hardly think there's consensus.
 
@Seth - Unfortunately I did
 
@Mast That's the way it's supposed to be handled.
 
1:49 PM
Imo, someone who posts spam needs to be harshly reminded to not do that
 
And that's what we've been doing for a while now.
 
Simple deletion doesn't serve in that case, the penalty has to feel like a big deal
 
@Magisch - You are probably right.. we will have to think of a way to not ban the IP and yet ahve -100 rep..
 
@Magisch An IP block is a harsh reminder without devaluing his past contributions.
I think the IP block is okay. "Always assume good intentions". And it was not as blatant as other spammers.
 
His past contributions arent devalued
 
1:50 PM
Also, keep in mind, we had a similar case ~1 month ago.
 
They're the only thing saving him from near-immediate account destruction
 
In which we too decided to not nuke him.
A moderator deleted the post & that was it.
+ a warning
 
Grml
 
@TheLostMind It'd be better if you add a comment under the post (or a direct message).
 
Not worth breaking that up into a meta post
But I think he should have lost the rep
 
1:52 PM
Meh, I think this works out.
 
If we never use the rep penalty, what is its purpose? It doesn't stop anything that a IP ban doesn't. I suggested removing the 100 rep penalty before, but that was met with downvotes.
So what gives?
 
If TLM or the mods decide to reverse it they will. As for now we can table it and say that there are two schools of though and both have there merits. If we want to continue the discussion we can bring it up on meta however it would probably be a dupe of this
 
JAL
o/
 
Hiya JAL
 
Flags are judging the post, not judging the author. They should be handled like that as well.
 
1:55 PM
@Mast Not all of them are... ;)
 
@Mast Its a little more complicated then that though
When using redflags, you need to take into account the collateral
 
^.
 
If the collateral is a problem, the punishment should be different. Not the flagging system.
If something is spam, flag as spam. Don't make every user allowed to flag judge and jury.
 
A 1 rep user member since today with no other activity probably deserves a nuke + account destruction for posting some borderline-near-certainly-spam thing, while someone who's been doing normal things for a while doesnt. Its just not entirely clear where the line is.
 
@Magisch - Its like we are in a court.. If you say that the accused has committed a crime, then it automatically means that there is a punishment for that. They cannot be separated out. In the same way, if we decide that it is spam, then the punishment kicks in irrespective of the OP's past contributions.
5
 
1:56 PM
@TheLostMind Court has the possibility of choosing a fitting punishment. I suppose the SE system is quite flawed in that regard.
 
@Mast Well, we do choose a fitting punishment?
We either nuke it or request it getting deleted by a mod.
 
@Mast - ^ that
 
Nuking results in a -100 rep loss as well as a blacklist-token AS WELL as other things serious contributors would really not like.
 
By users, which is a flawed premise.
Flags should warn mods, mods should find a fitting punishment.
 
No, it's not, because the moderator team of SO is still overseeing this whole process.
 
1:58 PM
Don't leave that up to the users.
 
Good to see this initiative. Happy to hear that you seem to have run out of closets to clean at home. — torazaburo 2 hours ago
 
^^ So ... you want a few moderators who do this on a volunteer basis to spend 24/7 trying to control 10 million questions, keeping the site clean and such?
 
^^ What does that mean?
 
@Seth Not even close.
 
@Mast But right now they don't. If 6 people with flag privs flag a post as spam it is deleted, locked and the OP gets a rep penalty plus other sanctions.
 
1:59 PM
Then don't have feature requests, as their staff now must don powdered wigs and robes and hold court
 
@NathanOliver Which, as I said, means the system is flawed.
 

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