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2:00 PM
@Mast That's exactly what you said.
 
@Mast The "court" analogy is fatally flawed. SO is not depriving anyone of their human rights, so the standards of procedure are not those of a court.
 
You said "let the moderators do the punishing stuff".
How many flags do you think we get per day?
 
Oh well. I'll leave you guys to your flag handling. I have more important things to do than hanging around here and keeping you from your work.
 
Bye.
 
What just happened?
 
2:01 PM
@Tunaki Idk :)
I'f seen nuthn
 
@Mast Your not keeping us from anything. If you have something you want to say/contribute please feel free to.
 
I see
oh there even a delete vote on that
nice @TheLostMind :)
 
@TLM How many flags are raised per day? :)
 
@Tunaki Look again
 
2:02 PM
@Tunaki - Yep. That's an achievement IMO :P
 
@Tunaki Guy posts a spam-ish post. TLM clears spam flags and deletes posts. Debate ensues over splitting IP bans from -100 rep penalty
 
It'd be interesting to see ~10 moderators who have agreed on spending half an hour per day on SO trying to keep up with those flags :|
 
@BhargavRao I did. Yeah I saw that post. People disagree with the spam flag handling
 
@Seth I've got 40 flags pending. Multiply that to around 1000 users. :D
 
@Seth - Enough to keep us on our toes.. Once a mod cleaned 'em all. :)
@BhargavRao - and then by 2 again.. and add 43 :)
 
2:04 PM
That sounds like a very reasonable way of handling flags then! Let the mods do the full work!
 
@Seth - No. We don't get so many flags per day..
 
@TheLostMind I think you need to square the result somewhere
 
</sarcasm>
 
@Tunaki :( ... You've forgotten. When some one says "look there's a delete vote" and someone else adds another, they reply "look again" ....
 
@Tunaki -I tried ^ in java and it said that it was an XOR operator.. smh
 
2:05 PM
@TheLostMind If you'd have to moderate every single flag raised, including comment/chat flags as well as VLQ, Offtopic, TB, PoB and all that stuff... ;o I think that'd be a lot.
 
@TheLostMind haha :)
 
I don't know, I'm getting used to some oddities in SE vs other sites, but in every other site I've been on posting spam means account deletion and immediate permanent IP and network ban
 
@Magisch There was a really good meta answer regarding that, I cannot find it atm though :(
 
@Magisch We're just getting the overflow from the rest of the stack is all
 
@Seth - Yep.. lol
 
2:08 PM
IP bans are bogus. I wouldn't focus much on that
 
They're really effective against children whose parents are pc illiterate though and that have static IPs
 
yes. 10 year olds are posting facial cream spam
 
A guy we had IP banned on our mc server was moaning because he bought a new MC account and new computer to bypass our ban and it didn't work.
:D
Sure, they do almost nothing vs our brand of spammer
 
@Magisch Few people have fixed IPs. They just don't rotate DHCP often on most ISPs
 
@Magisch wow what a desperation :D
 
2:11 PM
afk.. for next 10 hours :P
 
TheLostSleep
 
just 10 hours?
 
@Tunaki He has to lose his mind at some point during the day to keep his name
 
Once upon a time the Slashdot crew decided that I had tried to hack their server. A relatively short discussion ensued. No I did not hack them, and no I was not hacked. I got a few Kafkaesque responses from them. So I solved the problem by having my cable modem renegotiate its IP. They were none the wiser.
 
2:14 PM
@Louis I neither know what the "Slashdot crew" is, nor do I know what "Kafkaesque" means O_O
 
@Louis Ah the halcyon days of getting the modem to refresh DHCP and getting a new IP
 
@Seth No abitur?
 
@Louis the time at work I use to spend not working because of slashdot :)
 
@BhargavRao look again
 
Ah, Finally you remembered
 
2:15 PM
@Seth Slashdot was the Reddit of its day. Sort of a cross between a news site and a forum
 
@Magisch No, I left school midway through it :p I was fed up with school. But I cannot recall hearing the word "Slashdot crew" anywhere in the school :o
 
@Seth slashdot.org. You have to know Kafka to know what Kafkaesque means.
 
And kafkaesque... Related to Franz Kafka I guess.
But what about that?
 
@Seth Yes.
 
The way he wrote?
@Machavity Ah, thanks :)
 
2:16 PM
@Seth Kafka wrote a book called The Trial, where a man is arrested and tried for a crime the prosecution will not disclose
 
Ah o:
 
@Seth Kafka
In grade 11, 12 and 13 you read at least 5 kafka books
 
@Magisch I know ;D That was meant as a joke.
3, and that were 4 too many.
School made me lose my interest in reading. :(
 
@Machavity Exactly. The Slashdot crew said "you hacked us" but they were not going to show any evidence. Makes it hard to defend yourself.
 
"Die Verwandlung" or "The psychopathically messed up story about someone turning into a beetle at random and then being killed by their family"
 
2:18 PM
@Magisch Yes, wonderful book. I every lesson that we spent discussing it, with me being fully asleep.
 
Kafka somehow found a way to make even that in and of itself pretty awesome premise agressively boring
 
I haven't heard of a single book that he wrote that seems even a tiny tadsy bit exciting.
 
He has a way of storytelling that can make everything agressively boring
 
@Magisch Yep. And every teacher ever goes "OH MY GOD YES KAFKA!" if they hear his name or the name of one of his books.
 
I mean its nicely done from a literary perspective, I suppose
 
2:21 PM
And there I was, still thinking torture was illegal in germany ...
Well, yeah, but no.
 
It just got that unique quality to it that makes me want to stop reading and throw the book into the fire. And I love reading and consume more then 5 books a week.
 
That's basically what every book read in school made me want to do.
 
I love good books
mostly fantasy and scifi
one series "The Wheel of Time" is 30 some books long fantasy and I consumed all of it in a single summer break
 
I read some of WoT and then realized I was being trolled.
 
Never read that :o
 
2:27 PM
@Louis One thing about that series though
There is no payoff
the author died before he got done writing it
 
user177800
@Enzokie if you review that breakline persons answers the majority of them are one or two line opinion pieces on too broad or otherwise off-topic questions to begin with.
 
@Magisch It got finished by a different author though :o
 
@JarrodRoberson the rude comment was deleted already.
 
What do you guys think of this question? stackoverflow.com/questions/1305127/free-weather-api It has ~ 15 views per day, not bad. Not that many votes. But a somewhat "complete" answer.
 
user177800
@Enzokie go look at the comments on the breakline peson answer, they are going wide open there still
 
2:34 PM
@Tunaki Was asked by me -> Has to be good :D
 
@Tunaki It closed and it drives some traffic. I would just leave it alone.
 
@NathanOliver Second thought, it isn't even first page of google for "weather api"
Quora is before!
So I delete voted.
 
hmm. If I google weather api for iphone it is the first result
 
JAL
^ not a programming question
 
2:39 PM
that makes no sense
but is it spam though?
 
@Tunaki It's yelled NAA, so might be considered rude.
 
AFAIK ching chong is derogatory. Flagging as rude/abusive.
 
abusive as well
 
It says "Ching Chong Wan"
Other post by that user is legit
 
It is a trashtalk in games. AFAIK
 
2:43 PM
I did not flag
I have no flags left
 
:(
I would give you some of mine but the FR is still 6 to 8 weeks out.
 
That thing is gone
 
You can help in the SOCVFinder room by flagging as only one of the flags is needed :P
@Tushar long back
 
@JarrodRoberson Flagged NAA
 
@JarrodRoberson That doesn't look like a question... and the question doesn't seem close worthy either.
 
3:01 PM
@JarrodRoberson That answer really isn't good. I don't think it's flag-worthy though, sadly.
It's one of those answers that's perfectly suited to be posted as comment, but instead it's posted as an answer. :|
 
@Seth iDeleted
 
@Tushar Nice (y)
 
user177800
@Seth not asking for a flag, just to review it an act or not act as you decide
 
user177800
@Tushar it passes the exessively loose definition of an attempt at an answer, I didn't flag it personally, but I did delete vote it as you can see. Out of down votes for they day!
 
3:13 PM
@JarrodRoberson I know :) And I thought I'd share my conclusion here.
 
Hey, I wasn't done reading :( ...
 
You aren't supposed to read a spam completely
 
You aren't supposed to flag as spam without reading it correctly
 
I always do exactly what I am not supposed to do ô.ô That includes parsing XHTML via regex!
 
@FirstStep I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
3:45 PM
@Seth hey
 
@Closey opt-out
 
@FirstStep You have opted-out of tracking, and will remain this way until you run opt in.
 
0-0
@FirstStep blob
 
@ColdFire o/
 
@ColdFire Hiya :)
g2g now, cya guys o/
 
3:47 PM
Cya
 
cya
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis needs delete vote
 
that is tp-, right?
 
Idk, I still rolled it back
 
3:51 PM
Yes
 
@Tunaki hehe. That user didn't want other 10k+er's to see the code and you rolled back.
 
@Tushar yeah :)
 
@Tunaki Add a message while rolling back. That'll help the OP to realize that
 
I can't, it's deleted
oh
I always forget you can set a custom message while doing a rollback
 
3:54 PM
:/
 
:-
 
:;
 
/(::::)\
 
/oo\
 
3:55 PM
:-;
 
;_;
 
Any Python person around?
 
@Kyll Didn't you hear they are all square?
yes, I did just do that
 
@Kyll Could be
 
3:57 PM
Nathan please
 
lol
 
:D
 
@Tushar pastebin ya bud there
 
Know any nice one-liner to extract the middle of a list in Python? That is, without the first and last element
 
3:58 PM
ooooh that makes me remember the last party we had :)
 
Another one :(. Won't try again
 
I know it's easy with some list comprehension and a for loop but I wonder if there's a better way
 
@Kyll So you want [1] in [0,1,2]?
 
@Kyll foo[1:-1] is what immediately comes to mind.
 
4:00 PM
@BhargavRao For example yeah
@Louis wat is dis o_o
 
Slicing
 
list.subList(1, list.size()-1)
 
@Kyll Possible Duplicate of Explain Python's slice notation
 
@Kyll What Bhargav Rao said.
@Kyll Roughly means "take a slice out of foo that begins at element 1 and that goes up to (but not including) element -1"
 
What happens if the list is empty?
 
4:03 PM
You get an empty slice
 
@Louis Now, How do I make it using a list comprehension? Simple, [v for k,v in enumerate(l) if k not in (0,len(l))]
 
oo no exception?
 
:D
@Tunaki Nope, Python ain't hard :D
 
Oooh nice, thanks
 
haha python has exception?
 
4:04 PM
@Kyll, Now how do you reverse a list?
 
@BhargavRao ::-1?
 
Yeah, That's it! \o/
 
It's the first comment =/
 
yes it is
I did already know it though =p
 
@Kyll how does that reverse the list
 
4:08 PM
start to end by steps of -1
 
you mean end to start by -1
lol this user
 
Waffles: [status-completed]
I like that person.
 
That's a one-box
 
yes it is
 
wat
Last report..?
Looks like a legit post, yet blacklisted website
 
4:13 PM
Blacklisted website in body @Kyll
 
@ColdFire I know
It's in the code
Meh. Editing.
 
yes
 
user4639281
1 message moved to Trash can
 
Tiny now throwing waffles in the trash
2
 
wait what why
 
4:18 PM
Tiny like magic, Not waffles
Bye all, Gotta Leave
 
user4639281
The trash can likes onebox waffles
 
user4639281
Gotta feed the trash can too didn'cha know?
 
-_-
there was no reason to move that msg -_-
 
Hi
 
@AndrewL. o/
 
4:22 PM
o/
 
user4639281
Oneboxes may be moved to trash at anytime without warning, such decisions are final
 
i haven't seen other oneboxes moved to trash
and anyway we are allowed one box a day
 
I am the onebox ninja. I warn you before it's thrown in the trash
 
user4639281
Oneboxes can also not be moved to the trash at anytime without warning, such decisions are not final
 
user4639281
meh
 
4:28 PM
^
 
I hereby declare the observation that one-line boxes are just fine here
 
i think one box needs a clear policy
i have to ask rene to clarify this
 
@ColdFire They have one, Tiny quoted it
> Oneboxes may be moved to trash at anytime without warning, such decisions are final
That's the policy
 
There is a clear policy, it just isn't followed
 
i see ,didnt find it socvr.org? where it is?
 
4:30 PM
eh, what?
 
No idea
 
rule 10 in faq
 
i see that rule is too big haha
 
user4639281
The policy is at the room owners discretion. If you want a hard rule then it will be don't post oneboxes. We don't like hard rules here. If it is noisy, it's gonna get moved.
 
Hey look exactly 5000 rep
 
4:32 PM
nice
 
user4639281
@AndrewL. I don't see 5000 exactly
 
That's because we enjoy irony
 
user4639281
We thrive on it
 
user4639281
Also, referencing user profiles in chat is a no-no
 
i was referencing his name and not his profile
 
4:39 PM
@TinyGiant someone downvoted my old question :(
Right when I got 5k :(
 
GOOD FOR YOU MWAHAHAHAHAHA
 
...
 
..
 
From June 5th...
 
user4639281
4:54 PM
@ColdFire Well, you oneboxed his profile, which means you referenced his profile, whether or not you meant to reference his profile or his name is irrelevant
 
user4639281
@AndrewL. Correction: Someone downvoted your old question right when you referenced your reputation in chat
 
here are some delete candidate I've compiled over last few days in : gist.github.com/sotodel/03f1aac5a7f60a5fbc7f5580cc2da832
 
one box
 
5:11 PM
meh
39 mins ago, by Tiny Giant
The policy is at the room owners discretion. If you want a hard rule then it will be don't post oneboxes. We don't like hard rules here. If it is noisy, it's gonna get moved.
 
@TinyGiant I know
 
user4639281
The moral of the story is... ironic
 
^ wat
 
2 messages moved to Trash can
 
user4639281
5:23 PM
See? Room owner discretion hard at work
 
@πάνταῥεῖ can you look at the link from FirstStep 8 lines up or so
approve edit please stackoverflow.com/q/39600158
@TinyGiant @Tunaki what are your thoughts on using This as a dupe target considering its status
 
I wouldn't mind.
Typo + hammer to typo = 1 CV.
Typo + close as typo = 5 CV.
 
user4639281
Do some editing of the target
 
user4639281
I don't see that as a typo
 
5:35 PM
What is the idea behind "do some editing" Tiny?
 
user4639281
@Drew It was pedantically closed as NARQ, when the question is blatantly obvious. Editing it to be a real question make it not NARQ, thus can be reopened
 
user4639281
I do not approve of closing questions as duplicates of off-topic questions whatsoever. But if you can make the target on-topic, then do that
 
@TinyGiant what's the point of reopening a 3 year old question?
 
user4639281
@Adriaan To use it as a duplicate target
 
@FirstStep It's probably a messed up installation. I'm not sure about no repro, because it should give different compiler errors without a book CD installed. I just skipped that.
 
user4639281
5:44 PM
It no longer qualifies as "Not A Real Question", as such it should no longer be closed, regardless of the age of the question
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Okay I will as well
 
user4639281
A questions could have been closed in 2008 and be edited to be on-topic, should we leave it closed just because it is old?
 
@TinyGiant thx for the Edit on that one. btw I don't necessarily want to reopen it. Just wanted to use it as a dupe target and I just did 10 min ago
 
user4639281
That seems like it would be considered voting on context rather than content
 
@TinyGiant It's a typo question. Not worth reopening.
 
5:45 PM
@Adriaan perhaps my fault. Read what 1 wrote 3 up
 
user4639281
@Louis I see no typographical error
 
user4639281
I see a simple problem
 
user4639281
Simple problems do not inherently warrant closure
 
@FirstStep interview?
 
@ColdFire Next Tuesday
 
5:51 PM
For the record I would have voted cv Typo. We agree to disagree.
yesterday, by Tiny Giant
I disagree that we should agree to disagree. I think we should disagree to agree
 
user4639281
What is the expected result of closing a duplicate target?
 
@TinyGiant me?
 
user4639281
Duplicates are sign posts. You're telling someone that their answer is over there. If you mark a question as a duplicate of an off-topic question, then you're saying "Your question is off-topic because that question is off-topic, but not really off-topic because we have now put both of these questions in a state where they can not be easily deleted. We want to keep both of them around on the site for.... some reason"
 
user4639281
We don't need to close every low quality question. We should worry ourselves more with very low quality questions. Some stuff is just okay, and that is fine
 
I just like the question, it is simple to understand. And I used it as a dupe target. Whether or not the target is closed is irrelevant to me. And as I said, I would have close voted as Typo as @Louis said. We don't have to agree on that
 
user4639281
5:59 PM
@Drew Where is the typographical error?
 

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