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10:01 PM
@MadaraUchiha I'm very grateful for that! Forgot to thank you after the holidays
 
@Adriaan You're welcome :)
 
speaking of rudeness tests, would queen catch someone ragequitting in a harsh manner?
@Queen test fuck this site i'm going to experts-exchange
 
@dorukayhan Sorry you need to be Reviewer to run this command (@Petter)
 
argh
 
10:11 PM
@dorukayhan No real expert would ever ask/comment that way.
 
Nice
 
user4639281
@dorukayhan Unfortunately, unless the posts are new or recently active, there's nothing that we as a group can do about them.
 
@dorukayhan Finding questions to close is easy, finding people that will review not
 
I had an interview and I screwed up :D
 
10:20 PM
@FirstStep Heads up! There will be other interviews meeting smaller a__holes
 
@πάνταῥεῖ it was very basic questions though :(
write pseudo codes for stuff
 
@FirstStep We could have helped you from this room, just keep the phone under the table...
 
@PetterFriberg I wanted to earn it
 
@FirstStep Well,, I didn't specify further who the a__hole actually was ;)
 
I guess I did not. Not yet
 
10:22 PM
Naaa.... more fun cheating...
 
I mean.. In really life I will get help of course
 
is Tuna still awake?
 
but they want the candidate to have solid backgrounds and it was not my lucky day I guess
 
@PetterFriberg Cheating isn't useful for anyone :P
 
they said I am allowed to use the internet, but gave me no time to use the internet. It was discussion based interview, yet technical
 
10:23 PM
ooh, cheating shows initiative, I would hire...
 
I would hire too
I just can't do it
If I want something I will ask for it
 
All in c#?
 
no, mostly pseudo and the design
how would I implement an interface for a list.
I asked if he means the list in c# or a container of elements
he said a container of elements. I was writing and I stopped to think, he was like, think about the basic stuff.. like ADD
I was like.. but an array is a container of elements and it does not have an ADD
 
@PetterFriberg Arguable, but yes intelligence should be appreciated. All in all its left anyway how are your skills to gather the correct information in acceptable time.
 
he kept confusing me with random stuff
another Q was, how would you impelement the undo in a document editor. I said a stack.
another Q was how would you impelement the REDO, I said another stack when I undo
another Q was, to write a code that reverses a char []
 
10:27 PM
@FirstStep The Memento Pattern
 
I converted to a string, and iterated the string backwards into a new string
then he asked me what is the complexity I said O(n)
he asked about the memory. I did not know :( especially the temrs. so I said, well I am taking a copy, then a new copy
 
@FirstStep Take the high road and learn about the basic GoF patterns. Don't let such people touch you.
 
He asked me how can you improve it. write the pseudo,... I did the "pointer of the first, pointer of the last, then iterate till size / 2 and swap start with end"
I knew I can't get the pointer of the last though
without iterating.
I felt I just screwed up
 
meeh next time just say Q1: I google it and check the code, Q2 I google it and check the code, Q3... well let me google that to...
 
I did not know what is the meaning of an interface in object oriented programming.. F*
how can I not know ! I did not see it anywhere
I swear Peter I wanted to say that
I swear !
 
10:31 PM
@FirstStep Heads up again. You'll be better next time. Companies using that kind of poor apprentice tests are probably not worth working for them.
 
but I did not at that point, because earlier, each time I ask to look it up, he changes the subject and be like nevermind, do that instead
so I stopped asking
 
I did that ("it's in the docs") once in a programming exam I aced otherwise. I did get full points on that question.
 
I learned of course
but I wanted that job. I don't like my current job
cz I am not learning there. Only SO is teaching me
my manager does not teach me on purpose.. just ignores me.. He does not even have a bachelor but he is the manager and secures his job this way
each time he asks on SO gets downvoted like hell lol
 
lol vote on post not on manager : )
 
@FirstStep I know well how I could be an a__hole in such tests, and I even demonstrated in some particular cases. If it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit. Don't worry.
 
10:35 PM
Those who can, do. Those who can't, manage.
 
I tend to teach him. Every time. He still ignores me
 
@FirstStep Ignore them, and go on.
 
a good timing to get wasted on Friday lol f* it
what does not kill me makes me stronger. I will keep applying till I master all types of interviews
 
Be glad you don't have weekend standbys :-D
 
That's a first step
 
10:37 PM
is it normal that i flagged 3 questions in a row for closure in triage?
 
@FirstStep Get a better avatar. E.g. Ginger Baker on a Horse or so.
 
@dorukayhan I say why not
> What doesn't kill you can still kill you later
 
@πάνταῥεῖ like this?
 
@FirstStep No, Ginger Baker on a horse, slapping someone with their polo stick in their face.
@FirstStep Get a spine in 1st place. Be self confident.
 
10:42 PM
I am. I am just saying this because it is still fresh :P
last week I screwed up with basic technical test as well :P Two total for now
I am not shy
Maybe I am just not ready / simply not qualified yet
you know what was the test for my current job?
I got pissed off when I saw it. But I need the money :D
the Q was, display the even numbers in an array of integers. I had 15 mins..
I wrote one line "i % 2 == 0" and spent the rest time speaking with me about projects and completely other random stuff
"I knew the full compelete answer of course, in C++ and C# - same"
 
Talking about past projects is a good thing to do on an interview
 
but they were like nevermind you know that welcome on board
 
@FirstStep I can't take these Why manholes are covered round like questions serious. Anyone who asks such is much sillier than you, that's for sure. You should ask yourself: Would I want to work for silly people? And just slap the door in their face.
 
so yeah it is hypocrite from me to get pissed off on easy exams, or difficult exams
@πάνταῥεῖ not when I need the money. Could I go and sit and wait for the next interview? no
I want to say that I currently work. Else, they will find 999 reasons to speak with me on why I am unemployed (And there is NO perfect answer for that)
if I say because they were silly, they will be oh hes' a demanding person bla bla bla
If I say that, they say this
IF I say those, they say these.. etc
 
user4639281
@πάνταῥεῖ A round manhole cover cannot fall through its circular opening, whereas a square manhole cover could fall in if it were inserted diagonally in the hole. Circular covers don't need to be rotated or precisely aligned when placing them on the opening. A round manhole cover is easily moved and rolled.
 
10:51 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ I am saving all your links btw to look at
and the Memento Pattern
 
user4639281
@FirstStep somewhere between here and there, and some time between now and then.
 
@FirstStep "not when I need the money" There are probably better opportunities to earn money. These kind of companies anyway try to exploit you. There will come up better choices just be patient if you're confident about your skills.
 
@TinyGiant Maybe I am still considered unqualified. but also maybe it is was not my lucky day
@πάνταῥεῖ At some point I feel like they are ruining me yes. That is why I don't want to work for them. I want to help someone build his dream, but not those guys
 
@FirstStep Please don't take the step to spend money for getting qualified about anything. That's actually their strategy to earn money for nothing.
 
You know, we built an application (the one they hired me for) and they sold 12 without telling me. We did not celebrate !! I did not feel we won !! It was great for me when I knew.. my first app gets sold for several well known Automotive maanifactures (like GM and Ford)
yet they were hiding it, I knew way later. And I still have no idea why they done that
 
10:55 PM
I've been one place that educated you for a two month's contract
 
@πάνταῥεῖ what do you mean? I am not spending money anywhere
 
@FirstStep Good so, stay away doing so
 
I will wake up tomorrow and forget all what I said here lol
 
@FirstStep No, it should be deeply burned into your brain as an extraordinary experience
@FirstStep Forget about the a__holes, they don't make it up in the business in the long term. They're just a__holes scratching at the surface.
 
^ true. I can't wait to nail "that interview" (I have an interesting personality, I like programming, I am just not experienced)
 
11:08 PM
@FirstStep I'm pretty sure I would merciless squeeze the shit out of such incompetent guy within minutes, and let them cry out for their mommy
 
@πάνταῥεῖ chilll. Hookah is ready, 12 beers. Join
:D
 
@FirstStep Gnar, my grass takes some more weeks to be ready. I'm grumpy :( (Beer and whiskey doesn't really compensate that)
 
drop it for now. Hit mine
 
@FirstStep I'd love the interwebz being more physical actually :P
 
reading the memento patter
@πάνταῥεῖ before I start, the stack solution is not right? It made sense to me
 
11:16 PM
a fixed size stack solution seems fine
 
^ Peter I forgot to ask my Q
I will do it now
 
@FirstStep Memento Pattern is slightly different from Stack.
 
Awesome song at 53:40 btw youtube.com/watch?v=YdOQGkQ1KFs
 
I'd rather have a stack of changes than a stack of states. The former should take up less memory.
 
@FirstStep Be honest. It's not so much the song, but those gals actually :P
 
11:20 PM
Be honest. It's not so much the ladies but only specific parts of their bodies.
 
@JanDvorak No burkini! Great stuff :D
 
@πάνταῥεῖ :D Well, all of the my video songs SHOULD include some "good stuff" like that, else it is not in my playlist. So excuse me for not mentioning it. But yes, "Great As*"
 
What if said as is covered by a skirt?
 
@JanDvorak It does not matter. Women are not just bodies okay. ":P :P :P :P :P :P yeah rightttt"
 
Did I say they were?
 
11:25 PM
I was reading a funny article the other day. Describing the men nature as
they do everything just to come back and have good sex
 
go to work, earn money,. etc
Subconciously
it is our instinct. We need it, and we do anything for it
It was not an article I am sorry, that article was similar but Steve Harvey describes it in a funny way too
 
I'd rather listen to music than watch music videos.
 
the video sounds boring. Where the hell is that video..
@JanDvorak I know. Sorry :D Discard it
I am back to music too actually
 
@FirstStep Being honest just suffices here: youtube.com/watch?v=N0Vj-rALbEk
@FirstStep I'd recommend Chewing choklit all the time.
 
11:31 PM
butthole surfers :P nice name
 
TBH, though, I can't think of anyone I listen that isn't hot, cute or at least great looking. Except for males.
Or is there anyone who thinks Weird Al is sexy?
 
@FirstStep They deserved it from their serious workout :)
 
LOL
 
@FirstStep I commented back, the exact compiler implementation of the serial port I do not know, but it is not first time that I see programs writeLine() and then readLine() not working also tcp the writeLine tells to write (but do not wait that everything is received), you execute a readLine (practically at the same time) blocking your own code... I guess depending on timing, race conditions, drivers you risk to block also the writeLine
 
@JanDvorak They never were, but left good attempts, you have to admit that :P
 
11:34 PM
This is my favorite style of music: youtube.com/watch?v=CNVJfIL4E0I
 
@PetterFriberg Yeah I got what you mean. I faced that with a UDP communication once. Btw what is meant by race conditions?
 
@FirstStep so basically everything is blocked until someone timeout and in your example you did not show timeout... so forever
 
^ reading
 
Sme Silly thing as always here:

Dieses Video ist in Deutschland leider nicht verfügbar, da es Musik von UMG enthalten könnte, über deren Verwendung wir uns mit der GEMA bisher nicht einigen konnten.

Das tut uns leid.
 
"two signals racing each other to influence the output first."
 
11:36 PM
"software or other system where the output is dependent on the sequence or timing of other uncontrollable events"
 
@πάνταῥεῖ this one? youtube.com/watch?v=rCmUfTTIQAI
 
@FirstStep anyway since you mention communicating with micro controller... doing this kind if implementation is not the best.. the communication protocols get very messy...
because often on serial connection you can get crap... old stuff etc...
 
@JanDvorak Same Shit. Blame GEMA. A completely useless organization anyways. No one profits about it (in particular the artists don't), besides that organization itself.
 
@PetterFriberg if I am implementing an API to be used with several APPs later (to communicate with a micro controller). Then it is better for me to control this inside the API itself and not when I integrate an APP ( and control that inside the APP)
The app can just call a function string Send(string message) for example and shall return the received string. Point. Correct?
 
11:42 PM
1. Step do it asynch, do a method that regonize what is incomming and converts it to EventObject..
 
@FirstStep Fickin' broad. Do you need an asynchronous protocol?
 
@FirstStep 2. Do the protocol... autoresesteventCorrectResponse.Reset(), sp.send(...), if (autoResetEvent....) ok else failure
3. Let the different incoming commands set the correct autoResetEvent...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ no it sounds simple, I just need to control it as a State Machine so it does not Fail at any point
but was not sure if inside the API or keep it for anyone who wants to use it later (maybe they want to control it differently)
 
We have 22 or so cv4 ios questions. If anyone has any votes left, please run Petter's bot against it
 
@FirstStep Is state actually involved? This is my hammer, be sure to have a nail at hand.
 
11:47 PM
@PetterFriberg researching to know if you used your own naming or they are commands that exist already
 
meeh inside or outside I can't say for me the probably inside if you need to capture a lot of info from incomming response (turn it into object) that you can use in your protocol
 
@dorukayhan Bot facepalms are minor
 
@FirstStep hee.. that's how I would do it... but I'm in love with the c# AutoResetEvent, I even create a class in Java that do same stuff (there was not)
I see now in Java there is CompletableFuture and other fun that is even a better strategy
 
also what is yam doing in request graveyard?
 
11:50 PM
Digging, looking for edits : )
 
Yam's job is to be in the graveyard
 
@πάνταῥεῖ well no it is not involved as a whole. Just some if else statements (I am imagining) should be fine
@PetterFriberg wrote everything down :D I will do that next week
Thanks!
 
@FirstStep it's actually easier to control a protocol if you do it asynch with events... instead of trying to do different if statement in sequence
 
@FirstStep If it's trivial its trvia,
 
@FirstStep I have some source code to show you if you problems ping me
 
11:54 PM
^ cool
 

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