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user3956566
2:04 PM
what do you guys make of this question stackoverflow.com/questions/39274243/… 10k+
 
Does anyone here also have the close vote problem sometimes when closing a question? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/333752/…
 
@Yvette screenshot?
 
user177800
@Yvette it is off-topic recommendations at its fundamental core, there are multiple lines in the question that prove this.
 
user3956566
@JarrodRoberson thanks
 
@Ferrybig yes me. Happens a lot and need to refresh the whole page. It happens when I am editing (comments, answers, Q) that are not mine and somehow I lose focus. Then this behavior happens on whatever I want to do
 
2:06 PM
@Ferrybig hmm.... It doesn't look to me like a dupe
 
user3956566
his meta question came up in the reopen queue and I voted to keep it closed and had a look at the SO question and noted it has two reopen votes @JarrodRoberson I was curious for an opinion, as I know nothing about it
 
JAL
@Yvette in case you want to follow your question through the meta CV queue: meta.stackoverflow.com/review/close/11828
 
user3956566
@JAL ah cool! thanks high five
 
JAL
high five
 
user3956566
my declined flags is still rising btw
 
JAL
2:07 PM
I've plateaued at 96 for the time being
 
user177800
@Yvette and the OP is just turd polishing with his edits, he changes the wording slightly but not the intent and then begs on meta to reopen.
 
Hiya @JarrodRoberson \o
 
user177800
@AshishAhujaツ turd polishing
 
thanks!
 
user3956566
I really need to find an ios developer who will do a small job remotely..
 
user177800
2:11 PM
@AshishAhujaツ that is the latest edit that removes the explict request for recommendations, implicit request for recommendations even indirectly are still off-topic.
 
@Yvette that question looks bad to me
@JarrodRoberson I agree
 
@Cerbrus This plug in takes out all the icons from my bookmarks panel: s13.postimg.org/kn3mxg02v/Capture.png
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ yep thanks
 
@FirstStep Blame google.
Their plugin.
Are they still gone if you visit the page once?
 
@Cerbrus does it happen with yours too?
YEs
and If i close chrome and reopen, same
 
2:15 PM
@FirstStep Nope
 
also if I save the pages all over again. @Cerbrus
 
Works fine here
 
F**cinating
 
^ just edit and remove it.
 
2:17 PM
Done
 
user3956566
edited and commented
 
How many qs left in godaddy?
 
@AndrewL. all which are left are closed; many are still awaiting deletion
 
607. All closed
 
I know. All closed. So ~800 -> 607
 
2:19 PM
A lot of them will wind up roomba-ed
 
Roombad*
 
*Roomba'd
I'd think
 
^ I like that one much better
 
Kylled with fire
 
Plop'd
 
user3956566
2:21 PM
@Machavity yeh, we need to kyll them. I posted a question on meta for help deleting them and there's folk with pitch forks trying to close it as a dupe
 
user3956566
dam enter key
3
 
^naa? Just two links
 
@Cerbrus worked after pc restart
 
@AndrewL. LQP also (link only)
 
Ok
 
user4639281
2:28 PM
@Kyll Figured it out, would like you to review some code when it is done, probably tomorrow morning
 
user4639281
The most complex function has a cyclomatic complexity of 5
 
user3956566
only on SO will people argue the correct grammar to change the tense of a SO made up verb, that is actually an acronym ROOMBA
 
user177800
@Yvette this just needs one more to reclose, it is still off-topic; too broad, recommendations and opinion based, pick one.
 
user3956566
@JarrodRoberson sure, need to refind it hang on done
 
user177800
@Yvette here
 
user3956566
2:32 PM
soz Jarrod, found it
 
user3956566
It really annoys me when people complain so loudly on meta that they get crap reopened
 
user3956566
my cat agrees
 
2:45 PM
@Compass I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
user177800
@Yvette yeah meta effect has gotten too politically correct, the pitchfork crowd kind of put things in perspective for these people. Because if you go and look at their history of questions the majority are usually crap as well, that just did not get enough negative attention originally.
 
user3956566
@JarrodRoberson yeh, but it's interesting how they usually get reopened, even if it is reclosed. It was voted to be undeleted and then I assume reopened. It's like wtf
 
@JarrodRoberson this answer gained 145 upvotes mainly because of the meta-effect; that how ridiculous it has become these days
 
no moreee
 
Any experience getting keepass to work with the dropbox app?
 
user3956566
2:52 PM
nup
 
@SmokeDetector not spam
whoa @PetterFriberg I almost didn't recognise you with your new avatar
 
: )... searching for Tuna
 
user3956566
hehe
 
@Adriaan blame Andras he started this avatar changing....
 
He is the root cause for things..
 
3:04 PM
@PetterFriberg always blame András!
 
yeah almost like @Kyll, but can't ping him!!! .... here : )
 
@TinyGiant Will gladly do!
 
user3956566
@Kyll what smell out the room with your small mammal odor ??? ;)
 
less then our big mammal odor.....
 
Don't get the surströmming out you Swede :D
 
user3956566
3:12 PM
@PetterFriberg he's a squirrel wearing people's clothes and he keeps rhum where his underwear should be rolls eyes
 
at least no one is throwing him around.. ooh yeah let me bring some surströmming
 
Any C# nerds? I asked a question that did not receive enough attention :(
 
user3956566
yes
 
user3956566
link please
 
3:17 PM
also rene...
 
user3956566
reading
 
meeh seems like the code is not the best... avoid closing like that... I void use asynch stuff
 
@PetterFriberg speaking to me? How do I close then? I need to receive the message at least before closing :P I am not receiving it..
 
I have never done serial port implementations like that...
brutal read, blocking application
 
3:20 PM
@PetterFriberg But that is what MSDN have on their main page
 
user3956566
my first real app was a serial port read and write
 
@FirstStep Immagine that the send does not arrive in time and the readline then has nothing... but I'm not sure anyway for me it's not the right way to handle serial ports...
 
@PetterFriberg that is why there is a "buffer"
hold on. Threading.. ehm @Yvette. Checking
 
user3956566
I'm wirting an answer
 
You're Wirting what?
 
3:24 PM
@FIrstStep search for asynch implementations... and then build logic..
 
@Serlite Is that a question? If not, don't add ? at the end.
 
@PetterFriberg I see what you are saying. so Readline is "reading" before maybe the message is ready?
 
JAL
I have about 30 iOS questions at CV4 if anyone wants to help. Drew's batch 18. cc @NobodyNada, @EricAya, other iOS folks
 
I think it's too broad, but only to a certain degree of certainty.
 
okay. Out of this room. Will speak about it there
 
3:25 PM
Hello! Just letting you guys know that I'm leaving for a vacation today so I won't see you for a couple of weeks.
 
@PetterFriberg thanks. @Yvette drinks on me
 
@FirstStep Yvette is writting answer, maybe I would need to test... anyway I don't like that type of code... use asynh stuff like BeginRead
 
@NobodyNada \o take pictures
 
JAL
@NobodyNada Hey! Enjoy and have fun!
 
@NobodyNada enjoy!
 
3:26 PM
@PetterFriberg sir I am going to need to ask you to calm down :P My codes are like my kids. Relax and teach me
 
user4639281
@NobodyNada some other salutation!
 
@FirstStep the class in c# should be IAsyncResult, I bet if you search for that and serial port you will find some nice stuff.
 
@PetterFriberg fancy ...
 
@FirstStep sorry did not think I was offensive : )... was just saying the directions I would go with the serial port, ReadLine like that is not a good solution (IMHO)
 
user3956566
@FirstStep yeh answered, not tested. but something along those lines will work
 
3:30 PM
@rene ReceiveCallBack on that..
 
@rene do you use oracle with c# ?
 
user3956566
well I got an immediate downvote. don't know why I bother.
 
because you care!
 
@JAL Oh sweet, we're doing batches again? I kinda stopped looking because I didn't see any new ones generated for a while...
 
user3956566
This was down-voted within the first 10 seconds of posting it. But it definitely answers my Q and fixed my issue. Thanks for the lesson. It is obvious how come I did not notice it! :) — FirstStep 2 mins ago
 
user3956566
3:35 PM
Love it, I thought I was going crazy that it was downvoted so quickly. O>O
 
That said, catch (TimeoutException) { } is not that pretty :)
 
JAL
@Serlite Drew will do some if you ask
 
afk
 
@kayess I did 12 years ago ...
 
@Tunaki Away from Kyll?
 
user3956566
3:36 PM
@FirstStep I use a serial port emulator to do mine and it was a lot of fun. I also used progress bars to demonstrate changing data amounts that were being received
 
@FirstStep @JAL @AshishAhujaツ @TinyGiant Thanks! I'm homeschooled, so we like to go on a trip right when everyone goes back to school. We're going to Bryce, Zion, and the Grand Canyon.
 
@FirstStep I would use stuff like this with serial port stackoverflow.com/questions/462698/… ... but naturally I did not downvote (since your question was another)
 
@JAL I'll content myself with the C# batch for now, there's always an abundance of...eh, questionable questions in that tag.
 
JAL
@Serlite sounds good
@NobodyNada wow sounds fun!
 
user3956566
does this sound crazy, but I love serial port reading and writing?
 
3:39 PM
no comment
 
user3956566
@rene lol did you see the comment loving thread we had on meta?
 
@Yvette the one where BR posted "comment overflow"?
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ yeh ;)
 
user3956566
@FirstStep gave me inspiration (and a meme) to cope with haters and my son will love it, he loves Leonardo DiCaprio
 
@PetterFriberg sorry I am not replying but I am getting / researching everything you are sending. Absorbing slowly. Thank you :)
@Yvette you guys are all set for the weekend then ;) Thanks for the answer, helpful and very useful
Working on it. Later all y'all \o
 
user3956566
3:50 PM
@FirstStep yep. It's Frid night here (well Sat morning) and I'm relaxing on SO (would you believe it?) and will have a nice weekend with my kids and do some android. You?
 
user3956566
@FirstStep ah good, nw \o
 
@FirstStep o/
 
@FirstStep Yeah I was really not meaning anything else then when working with serial ports (to communicate with plc, payment terminals ecc), I think it is nice to use asynch code, you never know what is coming and when...
 
I'm not sure if this is the right place for this request, so I'm sorry if it isn't, but could someone please re-open http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39290403/purpose-of-compareobjectswithequals-pmd-rule?

It's been marked as a duplicate, but the question I'm asking is not the same as the one it's been linked to, and it hasn't been answered there. If there is anything else wrong with my question could someone please explain to me nicely what the problem is? Thanks!
 
You are in the right room and @Tunaki is here
 
3:52 PM
@Yvette I will need to study and read Android Development and other Algorithm Designs this weekend then "chill chill chill" Monday Labor Day here. Holiday. Happy Labor day for all the hard workers out there
 
user3956566
@FirstStep yeh and take hans passant's answer under advisement also stackoverflow.com/a/39296317/3956566 I meant to mention the port initialization and how they were lacking
 
@Yvette but why they did not use multi threading in their usage example? EDIT: Sorry. I see it now ! You are 12314% right.. — FirstStep 26 mins ago
Yvette has been more correct in her life than just 123.14 times I'm sure.
 
@PetterFriberg absolutely no problem mate. We are cool :) I am learning c# and tough professors is part of the experience
Now I am really out :P later \o/ @Yvette will look at it
 
@DanKing he will probably answer you soon, but is see the question "Why is there CompareObjectsWithEquals rule in PMD"? and the duplicate question more or less tell you why they decided to implement this rule
 
@Petter - well, the duplicate question tells you why equals() and == are different, but not why you should always use one and not the other. I actually want to do a reference comparison and it seems like PMD won't let me - that's the part I don't understand?
 
4:01 PM
SO your question really is "How can I fix PMD to let me do reference comparison"
 
user3956566
@DanKing hm I voted to reopen it, then after reading the comments regret that. It's not letting you do something that won't work. The duplicate target explains why
 
@Petter - not quite - my question is, why had PMD decided it's a bad idea? I know why they're different but I don't know why PMD has decided to exclude one of the options. Is there some rationale for this that I don't understand?
 
@DanKing well then it is a dupe.. : ) or maybe POB
 
@Peter - what's a POB?
 
Primary Opinion Based, sorry
hence I think that decided to do that since the dupe.. there is a really good meta on this
anyone remember the meta with the meeting... where they decide why stuff is implement as it is..
 
4:04 PM
Ah. Well, I guess maybe it is a question of opinion, so maybe that makes it an invalid question? It's an opinion I'd quite like though: I still don't understand why reference comparisons are excluded by PMD, only why they're different - and I knew that already!
 
I think if you edit your question to "Is it possibile to ignore/exclude reference comparision error in PMD", then yeah that seems like ok
Someone could answer Yes, like this or No, that's the implementation!
 
Unfortunately, questions which basically boil down to "why did the creator implement it like this?" are sometimes only answerable by the creator(s)...the rest of us would just be guessing. =P
 
@Serlite yet they seem to be rather welcome by some
 
@Serlite That's a good point. I guess I was hoping someone else might know - or have a good idea - or even the creator might see it.
 
@DanKing anyway @Tuna will be back soon, he is a great guy and very experience in java.
@DanKing meeh on SO this kind of questions are not on-topic
need to find meta
 
user3956566
4:08 PM
@rene @FirstStep is being advised that he doesn't need threads for his serial ports. Look under second answer.
 
@Petter Fair enough then. Do you know anywhere else I could ask this question?
Sorry, I meant @PetterFriberg
 
The argument "well, the creator of the tool/lib/whatever could answer" is still not convincing.
 
Hmmm...maybe sourceforge.net/p/pmd/discussion or some similar support forum?
 
@Louis thanks
@DanKing see the meta.. why not SO, sorry I do not know another place on SE...
 
@PetterFriberg You're welcome. I pull this out of my back pocket whenever someone argues that The Creator(tm) could answer.
 
4:11 PM
@PetterFriberg I am superior to you now BWAHAHHAHAHA
 
@Louis Thanks. So if I rephrased along the lines of "What are the C# language design team's opinions on the proper use of iterator blocks" (from that link) - e.g. something like, "What reasons did the PMD design team have for excluding the use of ==", then that question might be acceptable?
 
noooo..., the examples says why it's not good.
 
@DanKing I don't think so. You're still trying to figure out what happened in the mind of the team.
 
"My preference is that "why" questions be rephrased into "what" questions that have answers." - and then it gives the example I just quoted?
 
@DanKing Hey
Sorry I just came back
 
4:14 PM
It feels as though I'm losing this argument though... :-/
 
puuuuh Tuna's back, I can stop entertaining
 
Hey @Tunaki. From the discussion so far it seems like my post might've been POB, rather than a duplicate. Not much of an improvement from my perspective, but still... :-}
 
@Yvette It cannot block when there is data available. Means it blocks when there isn't data... you'll need a mechanism to wait for stuff. It can be an IOCompletion port. Most often the answer where Hans writes lots of text, something is wrong, either with the question or the answer.
 
So the way I see it, you're asking why you shouldn't use == to compare objects. Well, The reason from the linked question is Thus you will be testing for object equality and not functional equality. and that's really the only valid reason
 
@Tunaki - but I want to test for object equality
 
4:15 PM
@DanKing Fair enough. You got that from the answer, but that specific example I bad IMHO.
 
If on the contrary you're asking why PMD has such a rule, then my best guess would be precisely also because of that. In general, you don't really want to compare object references
 
@Louis OK
 
But then, you'd need to ask PMD developers :)
Although I very strongly suspect this is the reason
Comparing Objects with == is 99% of the time a bug.
 
user3956566
@rene I agree, but with his rep, I think he is misleading the OP, as he's ignoring the actual issue of having a viable ongoing app. There is some feeling of arrogant aggression, verging on spite I just get from some people.. sigh it makes me feel like joining the socvr team just to stand up and say, yeh I'm one of those people ya'll hate so much (mind you they hate me in my own right ;))
 
4:17 PM
@Tuna can we make the question fly somehow? like that chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/32634677#32634677 or similar?
 
Actually from a POV of semantics I'd say "what reasons" === "why".
 
@Tunaki OK, that's an opinion and one I'm not sure I agree with - personally I only do this quite deliberately - but I guess that would make sense as a justification.
 
user3956566
@DanKing you cannot edit the question beyond what it is really, as it has an answer, see here meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/290297/…
 
user3956566
You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Accept it's off topic and move on ;)
 
4:19 PM
and if you want to disable the warning @Dan (because it really makes sense in your particular case to call ==), you can take a look at this question stackoverflow.com/questions/14702932/…
 
@Tunaki Ick! That's a recommendation question!
 
Kinda yes :)
 
@Yvette - barring the "sow's ear" comment - sure, fair enough.
 
user3956566
@DanKing you haven't heard that saying?
 
Night o/!
 
4:24 PM
The search for the philosopher's stone was fueled by the desire to make silk purses out of sow's ears.
 
user3956566
exactly!
 
user3956566
@Louis you were the person I was thinking of the other day when asking for people to help with delete voting the closed godaddy posts. Dammit now I remember who you are
 
hey
 
@Yvette Oh, good. Sometimes I don't remember who I am. Good to know someone remembers!
 
o/
 
user3956566
4:26 PM
\o
 
I think Hans nailed my the Q. I did not need multiple threads. I only needed the right configuration. I think his Answer is more helpful for the community
 
@FirstStep hey
 
that exact code in my Q, will work if I pass some more parameters
@ColdFire Holla big boy o/
@Yvette This does not mean you are wrong. Your answer works too as well, it worked and fixed my issue
 
user3956566
@FirstStep then that doesn't make sense.
 
@FirstStep so much rep
what the heck are you doing
 
4:29 PM
The rep has nothing to do with this..
even if he had 1 rep. I would still accept that answer
 
man i was talking about your rep increase
 
@Yvette I will keep calling you to answer my c# question.
 
not the accepted answer
 
OK I left a comment @Dan summarizing my thoughts here.
 
@Yvette what does not make sense?
 
4:30 PM
@FirstStep man your tag is nice
meanwhile i am stuck with this stupid android tag
 
user3956566
> Your answer works too as well, it worked and fixed my issue
 
Sorry for pinging you @Tuna but I think you want me to, if you like me to avoid tell me.
 
What does not make sense about that? <3
A Q might have 9999 working solutions
I can print hello world in how many ways?
 
@PetterFriberg no the ping was appreciated :)
 
You tell me
 
user3956566
4:32 PM
well which fixed the question, as they are two different solutions
 
yours is 30 more lines of codes + multithreading, his was just the additional parameters I missed to add
Nothing personal. Chill up. I will make up for you <3
"passes high quality red wine cup to Yvette"
 
user3956566
well they couldn't have both fixed the problem, it's confusing what you are saying.
 
just kidding... but true many solution, you accept what you like...
 
I would like to hear this rooms opinion then
 
user3956566
I agree, accept what you like, but am struggling with the idea both separate answers solved the problem, individually. That doesn't make sense
 
4:35 PM
If I am wrong I will redo what I did
 
@FirstStep which question this discussion is about
 
user3956566
It's only people who know the technology
 
user3956566
I am trying to understand. when you tried hans solution without mine, it worked?
When you tired my solution without hans, it worked?
 
I do not like any solution only asynch solutions are accepted : )
 
4:36 PM
Thanks @Tunaki. Based on the discussion we've had here, I would say it's POB rather than a duplicate, but either way it's closed so it doesn't make that much difference!
 
@Yvette so people who don't know, solve it. Like me and now. And who know a little about it, will know more, like the rest of us
 
user3956566
async tasks are threads wrapped up
 
@DanKing hmm it's in reopen que I already see 2 reopen votes, so stand by...
 
user3956566
@FirstStep I am trying to ascertain something simple.
 
user3956566
when you tried hans solution without mine, it worked?
When you tired my solution without hans, it worked?
 
user3956566
4:37 PM
1. Did it work when you tried my solution?
 
Yes. Both worked. His solution was just adding three "configuration" parameters to my existing code, in the object constructor
 
user3956566
2. Did you try hans solution without the changes I added?
 
@Yvette - yeah, I've heard the saying, I just didn't like my poor question being referred to like that! :-}
 
user3956566
@DanKing oh soz!
 
@Yvette go try it. Copy paste my code and add the parameters. It WILL work
 
user3956566
4:38 PM
poor question
 
:-) No worries!
 
HERE:

// SO Q
SerialPort SendSerialPort = new SerialPort("Com3", 9600, Parity.None,8,StopBits.One);
SerialPort ReceiveSerialPort = new SerialPort("Com3", 9600, Parity.None, 8, StopBits.One);

SendSerialPort.Open();
ReceiveSerialPort.Open();

SendSerialPort.WriteLine("Test");
var message = ReceiveSerialPort.ReadLine(); // console opens here

SendSerialPort.Close();
ReceiveSerialPort.Close();

Console.WriteLine(message);
--------------------------------------------

The added was the three parameters: "Parity.None, 8 , StopBits.One"
This works
 
user3956566
@FirstStep no I don't want to, I'm asking, when you tested it is worked. no need to add code, I'm curious as to why they both worked independently of each other
 
I am impressed as hell too
He nailed it. We don't need multi threading. We only need the right configuration
 
user3956566
sigh I give up. You will need either threading or event handling.
 
4:41 PM
:32635336 Can I still respond to a deleted message?
Apparently the bug isn't fixed yet.
 
I don't know what language this is, but I am terrified.
 
@Yvette as I said, community wise and technology-learning wise. His answer is better. Does NOT mean you are bad !!
 
eh... not strictly...
 
user3956566
@Tunaki que?
 
4:52 PM
@HansPassant I got curios why "You must also set DataBits, Parity and Stopbits" ?, this should already be done in the constructor referencesource.microsoft.com/#System/sys/system/io/ports/&h‌​ellip;, is not already using these default values? — Petter Friberg 27 secs ago
 
@Yvette Why would I ever want to talk to you?! I'm talking to Queen, my love of course.
:)
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg yeh, don't get me started, they do have default values. And it's usually better just to follow convention, initialise the serial port then set the attribute values
 
meeh its strange?, maybe Hans know why it started to work...
 
lol
 
user3956566
@FirstStep did you see that comment?
 
4:56 PM
@Yvette yes
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg they do have default values and off the top of my head, which is why I didn't bother addressing that originally, although I did toss it around in my mind.
 
user3956566
it's more important to set them if you don't want them to be the default values
 

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