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10:07 AM
!!/unnotify
 
@tripleee 2 arguments expected
 
that's cumbersome; doesn't it know which room we'se in?
 
apparently no
practically out of flags already... normally happens in 2 hours...
 
!!/unnotify 41570 stackoverflow.com-
 
oh look, a waffle!
 
10:10 AM
and some coffee?
 
has anybody tried calling methods of war X from war Y (when both are deployed in the same tomcat) ?
CC @Tunaki
 
@TheLostMind Make peace, not war.
 
@TheLostMind you can't do that
 
runs away
 
Does anyone here use Python - we've got a few versions of a headless bot we're doing as part of the sopython project - it's very short and sweet code
 
10:12 AM
ArtOfCode should be the guy for python bots..
 
@TheLostMind publish an endpoint in war X that you invoke through HTTP from war Y, or better yet, extract the thing you want to call in a utility project and make both war depend on it
 
@Tunaki - Well, I am mid way through option-1 actually. And option-2 is not an option for me
@Kyll - :P
@JonClements - Can you ask the same question a month later?. I know how to declare variables in python :)
 
lol :)
 
They are right there.. right beside each other. AND HAVE TO TALK THROUGH HTTP :(
 
@TheLostMind use some front-end trickery - I normally get around such things via nginx conf'ing stuff :)
 
10:17 AM
@JonClements - Ah. I will look into it. Thanks
 
@TheLostMind Tomcat loads each class of a webapp in their own classloader tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-9.0-doc/class-loader-howto.html
 
@Tunaki - Yes. But uses a single JVM
 
you could use RMI
even if "remote" would be something on localhost :)
 
ah nice
 
10:24 AM
But since this thingy is only for the time being, I'd rather use HTTP. Don't have to change anything when the war is moved out into its own tomcat
:)
 
yeah RMI can be a pain a configure on prod servers
you need to open a bunch of ports, and the security guys tell you "but I won't allow that"
 
^^ - exactly
Or worse, you do everything and then they tell you that they can't do it :P
 
Sounds like I've worked with competent IT managers where by I say what I need and they setup the config accordingly
(mind you - technically being the CTO and effectively their boss probably helped a bit)
 
@JonClements - The people I work with are competent. But sometimes, you don't get to make some calls :P
 
@JonClements yep but Im not exactly an expert
 
10:30 AM
^^- And that
technically being the CTO ==> Ya, that's the problem. I am neither their CTO nor their manager and don't know enough :)
Also, can you tell them that you want to test if the "drop table" command works on prod db? :P
 
@EricAya Hey, could you check if this question should be reopened? Are the explanations sufficient or does an MCVE need to be provided?
 
user6438653
Hi guys
 
Hey
 
user6438653
Hey @Tunaki
 
10:44 AM
Plop @shad0wk! That's the first time I see you around these parts, welcome :D
 
user6438653
Hi, yeah I've never really used the chat.
 
Hello
New user :D
 
user6438653
@Magisch Hi there, yeah i'm new to the chat, and to stackoverflow.
 
Then welcome
 
user6438653
@PetterFriberg, Hi. I've been a member for 58 days.
 
10:47 AM
well that is a good start
 
@shad0wk Interesting, what led you here?
This chatroom, I mean
 
user6438653
Boredom...
 
That which drives all programmers, I see
 
We have someone honest
 
Yeah this is a good place to get bored in.
 
10:48 AM
I am mostly in chat to avoid having to work
 
@shad0wk We're a room about moderation discussion here. This is our faq and tells you more about what we do
 
user6438653
haha, yeah.
 
It can be boiled down to being petty and pendantic with everything on a semi-organized basis :p
 
@shad0wk They also discuss the merits of discussing moderation.
And the merits of discussing discussing moderation.
They also have a peculiar fetish for spearrels.
 
@TIPS and bots
 
10:50 AM
> My mouth is full of testimonies
wat xD
 
@shad0wk This was a report from a bot that detects spam across the network
And reports them here and in select other rooms for us to flag and destroy
 
user6438653
Haha, well that sounds fun, I think i got caught up in one of those bots.
 
Yep! In queen :D
Well not you exactly, I think queen caught a comment answering another comment you wrote
Yep, here
Doesn't look like it got any further.
 
The guy of medical stuff made an edit to the post : ) stackoverflow.com/posts/38763976/revisions (seems like an honest user after all)
 
Honest user posting crap after all
Oh wait, I forgot that's the average SO'er. :P
 
10:57 AM
@PetterFriberg Great
@TIPS Be Niceâ„¢
 
Can you reopen that so I can answer him?
 
user6438653
@Kyll Whiskey Tango Foxtrot asked a question, It's was an okay question, but i warned him that his question was going to be downvoted, but he felt offended, so he deletd it. But i hand an asnwer for hus question so i tried making contact by commenting, so i created a chat and discussed the answer, i think he worked it out but i don't know for now.
 
@FrankerZ It's fairly unclear what he's asking, mainly: What to do with that ID?
 
Drop it
He provided a url, and what to rewrite it to
 
@shad0wk Ah, okay. Good handling of the situation then!
 
10:58 AM
@Kyll okay okay
 
@FrankerZ Okay. Do cast a reopen-pls then
 
@FrankerZ it's re-opened
 
danke sir
 
Jon'ed
 
user6438653
Does anyone think this should be reopened: stackoverflow.com/questions/38719065/… Not to do with the long story above?
 
11:00 AM
@FrankerZ For the sake of bureaucracy, make a reopen-pls and mark it as done.
 
Yeah a c# guy, welcome @shad0wk ! \o
 
@shad0wk Er, it is opened
@Tushar @Tim @Petter @ivar @Tuna This spammy-looking question was edited and reopened after you closed it, Franker is on its way to answer. You might want to take a look at it and revise your vote, should you have cast any.
that was a lot of pings
 
I still find it unclear: what do they want to do? What are the rules? How? Why?
 
11:03 AM
^^^
 
It's still "how do I do X" with no effort
 
^^^ That's why I CV'd as broad
 
@Tunaki Same, but Franker feels it's clear and answerable in its current form
 
@Kyll Meh, I rescinded my DV on it but im not gonna upvote it
 
@Magisch Nobody is asking for upvote
 
11:05 AM
Yeah, I probably jumped the gun a bit with the reopen
 
@FrankerZ ah come on
 
Lets just move on
 
It's a dupe anyhow..
 
@AshishAhujaツ I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
That's it, out of flags already...
 
11:06 AM
Dumb question: I can boot from a MicroSD card, right?
Given that my MB supports booting from a classic USB stick
 
if your bios/hardware allows it sure
 
@Kyll should be possible
 
@Tunaki you've done 100 already today?!
 
Switching OS this afternoon then!
 
@Kyll You can boot from whatever it is that supports USB :p
 
11:07 AM
@JonClements Yup....
 
@JonClements Half of Tuna's workday is hanging out in the mod tools xD
 
@JonClements sure, now it's your turn to check'em all : )
 
@JonClements Are you thinking of making him mod
 
Sam
@Kyll Which distro?
 
@Sam Windows 10 Spearrel Edition
 
11:08 AM
opps some pings poor jon
 
@Sam Kyll-IX
 
@Sam OpenSUSE Tumbleweed release
 
waves hello to mod ping-flooders
 
@Sam just wanted to ping
 
@Sam -Same here ^^
 
11:09 AM
@Tunaki I know the feeling
 
@Kyll - I know it too
turns off desktop notifications
 
@JonClements Nato is useful. ..... If I had the rep for it
 
Looks like a ping competition is going on :p
 
Sam
... I should really write a bot to auto-ping you all in these ping battles.
 
@FrankerZ if you find yourself typing this "Your question is still quite unclear" in an answer, you probably don't want to answer it (yet)
 
11:10 AM
plot: The holy ping wars S01
 
@TimCastelijns I felt like I had to do something, because I started the reopen brigade
 
@Sam and that was the day Hatman entered SOCVR
3
 
Sam
xD
 
Make. That. Happen.
 
11:12 AM
I give it exactly 35 seconds before a room freeze and an account deletion xD
 
Sam
Maybe longer if rene isn't here
 
@Kyll like that's going to happen?
 
@FrankerZ we all mess up every now and then :-)
 
@JonClements Hahaha
 
@FrankerZ you answered that php thing :\
 
11:14 AM
and you're not going to make it happen are you - so no worries hey @Kyll :p
 
@kayess ?
 
@JonClements Like the last two times were even remotely linked to me! =p
 
That's what we've been talking about for the last 5 minutes. Where have you been?
 
Yeah, I flagged as dupe, and likely theres a ton of dupes around :p
 
11:16 AM
afk
 
me too
 
me maybe three
doesn't chat
 
commuting home with baguette
 
@Kyll BAGUETTE AU FROMAGE HON HON HON
has no idea what that means
 
this one just requires some editing
 
11:22 AM
:32113796 k
 
@FrankerZ smokey ninja'd you :p
 
yup
 
Ninja'd by a bot.
 
It still got it though
 
The humanity will always remember today as August 4th -- The Independence day
 
11:24 AM
Hm, I have edite it, but someone with insta-edit did it faster, whats up in this case?
 
@kayess Your edit is in the queue. If it weren't, the review would've been concluded automagically by Community.
 
@TIPS Ok thanks. My edits seems to be more proper, since the insta-edit dude left in an unneeded { in the code block
 
Morning
 
@AshishAhujaツ You've reviewed 40 posts today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 29 minutes and 11 seconds, averaging to a review every 43 seconds.
 
11:35 AM
@NathanOliver Hiya \o
 
I surprisingly got no audits while reviewing cv's today. Is it normal?
 
You must have skipped them all ;)
 
Woot they fixed the code markup in quotes on meta.
@AshishAhujaツ Sure there should be times where you do not get one.
 
ah ok. The last two days I could couple of audits, so it was surprising I didn't get a single one today
 
After you get X many correct the system treats you as a "trusted reviewer" and gives you less audits for some time.
 
11:41 AM
"some many" That's got to have some interesting grammar behind it, no sarcasm.
 
oops
Not sure how that sounded good in my head.
 
Nathan o/
 
@NathanOliver No really. In my mind it's grammatical, but I can't explain it.
 
That's a C++ programmer for you. Make you go hmmm.. ;)
We are Pro with our grammer :)
 
*grammarz
 
11:56 AM
 
@Tunaki Right now if I run the script I get 67 request for 20000
 
Huh, me too
 
interesting.
 
I'll leave you do the moving. I can blame you later.
 
12:02 PM
deleted posts
there's something weird with deleted posts and the SE API lately.
 
I wonder if the first scan wakes it up and the second scan actually gets to use it
 
I remember Petter asked a question about that stackapps.com/questions/6955/…
Maybe it was again updated so that the API doesn't return posts that were deleted more than 1 day ago.
 
@Kyll Seems it got sorted, though I still think it could be worded better. Are the OP asking how to rewrite one specific URL or how to strip the ? and =xxxx parts of all URLs? I don't think it's terribly clear tbh but I'll leave it alone since it was reopened
 
hmm. Weird.
 
Actually, I feel pretty strongly about that last possibility. Will do some checks.
 
12:09 PM
OK. Let me know what you find out.
 
@Magisch Means "hurr durr" in my book =p
 
12:23 PM
@Kyll Kyll means "Decidedly furry throwing object" in my book :p
 
:D
Slightly toasted baguette with butter and home-made confiture, best meal ever
cc @Tuna
 
oh yes
 
Lol
@Seth Someone from our voc school class told me that he just got fired from his company of 150 people for "failing to perform at standards" together with his entire department, effective next week with no severance and no prior warning
The company apparently is a german division of a US based company and they think because they're HQ'ed in the US that all their german employees are "at will" too
 
@NathanOliver Well I can't reproduce it.... so I'm not sure anymore. I checked that a question was returned by API, deleted it, and it wasn't returned anymore...
 
12:32 PM
They're in for a world of hurt
 
Yeah, Euro labor laws are very different
 
Especially in germany, firing an apprentice is close to impossible
they're gonna get some real crap for this
 
@Magisch France is worse from what I hear. Have to actually sue the person and even if you win have to pay 2 years unemployment
 
@Machavity Its just not a thing here. You can't legally fire an apprentice except for very exceptional specific circumstances. In fact, without prior warning (multiple warnings) and proof that they did the wrong they were warned about, and social consideration, and severance, you can't fire anyone (the burden of proof is on the employer)
They'll probably have to pay 3-4 years salary punitive severance and do some other stuff to get out of this
 
Italia is better ... let them all work in black or as outsource resources so you can fire'em all!!!, right now : )
 
12:47 PM
morning
 
@ryanyuyu mroning Plop :D
 
mroning
 
o/
 
Hiya ryan
 
hi
that's a really sad typo
 
12:52 PM
@ryanyuyu :D
do not froget
 
And it was answered
 
of course
 
oh look a delete vote on the question
 
"Cosnole is not defined"
 
Deleted by author
 
12:53 PM
Ah, but deletion solved the problem.
 
Deletion is the solution to every problem.
 
Sorry
Had to vent
 
Keep those vents for the Ministry
hahahaha that's actually really funny in French. Prout.
 
It is?
not getting joke.... again.......
 
@Tunaki vents
 
1:00 PM
!!/blame
 
@ryanyuyu It's ivarni's fault.
 
@Tunaki I have flagged two comments already there, earlier. One helpful the other is pending.
 
@ryanyuyu I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
afk
 
morning!
 
1:09 PM
Hiya gunr
 
Hiya o/
 
hey gunr
 
so my calendar for today is completely empty. wonder how long that's going to stay that way
 
FOREVER
 
mine actually has an entry today. We have a team-building exercise.
And free lunch today.
 
1:11 PM
we have free BBQ tomorrow
 
nice. What kind of BBQ? pulled pork? beef brisket? smoked chicken?
 
no idea
 
Is that good, 'no idea'? Never tasted it.
 
Isn't there a country song about all the different kinds of American BBQ? People here can have fanatical devotion to their personal favorite BBQ.
 
I thought all country songs were about 1) girlfriend left me, 2) truck broke, 3) dog died
 
1:20 PM
@gunr2171 My impression as well
 
@gunr2171 you forgot jail
 
@gunr2171 Hiya, did you solve your sql issue?
 
yeah, I didn't know about over
then again, this was just a "just wondering" type of question
 
@gunr2171 SO is a country song then "My boss left me this code. He will fire me and kill my dog if I don't fix it. Plz halp"
 
: )
I guess we don't like music then, seeing how much we cut off those posts
 
1:27 PM
@Tunaki report'em
 
@Yam how did this get 4 reopen votes
it's still a 'is paypal down' question
I guess I could edit it to not be
but that's changing the intent a bit, maybe the OP won't mind since it'll mean his question gets reopened
32GB on a Core i5
what's the point
 
Maybe they do a lot of large data set processing and want to have it all loaded in ram.
 
but Core i5
 
Ram is cheap, processors not so much?
 
RAM is cheap but 32GB is not
 
1:39 PM
@TylerH Depends, 32GB on one bar?
 
@TylerH meh. I can get 32GB for $170
 
> CHeck It Now It works
haha
 
@NathanOliver yeah, that's not really "cheap" :-P
 
@Magisch Ahahaha! :D
Firing an apprentice... Have fun!
 
Hey Seth
 
1:41 PM
Firing with a 1 week notice... Have fun!
Hey Tuna :3
 
@TylerH To me it is. I remember when I paid that much for 512MB.
 
@Seth Firing people at all for performance without a PIP and at least 2 written warnings
Have fun
 
@Magisch they'll probably just rescind the termination
 
@TylerH If the apprentice wants that
If they don't, they'll have to pay up
 
@NathanOliver okay, well yes, grandpa, compared to the past it is cheap because prices always fall for computer components, but I'm talking relative to a normal amount and also relative to the cost of other components (today)
 
1:43 PM
@TylerH If that business gets in front of a court they'll likely have to pay an absurd amount of money.
German laws are pretty darn strict when it comes to that
 
@Magisch not even. If they rescind the termination, the employee doesn't have a say. If the employee wants to stay, great. If they still want to leave, they leave of their own accord
 
@TylerH :) OK. I still think it is a good deal but I haven't bought ram in a while.
 
@TylerH Thats not how unlawful firing in germany works
 
@NathanOliver $170 is actually a bit steep for 32GB these days ;-)
 
@TylerH If you get terminated unlawfully, you can demand your job back. You can also however argue that now you're no longer comfortable working for them (now that they tried this) and want monetary damages instead
Which go higher the larger the offending company is and higher the more egregious the violation is
 
1:45 PM
Well look at that. That will teach me to look at the first result. Scrolled down a little and I found 4x8GB for $110
 
@Magisch I wonder what constitutes a "small employer" in Germany
you said the whole company was 150? Or just the german satellite?
 
150 whole company
Well too large to not be counted as a large employer
 
I dunno
150 is small to me
and if they opened the german office under a subsidiary then it definitely is
 
The small employer clause exempting certain employers from these rules is <5 or <10 employees AFAIK
 
oh jesus so basically like a sole proprietorship
 
1:48 PM
Small for Obamacare is 50 I think
 
@TylerH Even these companies still have to follow some pretty strict laws about what you can't do
 
I guess that's what Americans mean when they yell Freedom and share pictures of bald eagles...
 
@NathanOliver 2-50. State definitions vary between up to 50 and up to 100
 
@NathanOliver healthcare practice regulations wouldn't affect other sectors though, just whether you have to pay healthcare coverage for your employees
 
In essence, in germany, once your company is over a certain size, making someone redundant or not wanting them anymore isn't a thing. If you make someone's position redundant, you have to document that you tried anything to find a new one for them in the company (you have to pay for additional qualifications they might need for that), or you have to document that you have to lay off people (only allowable if you otherwise go bankrupt) and who gets to stay has to be decided based on various
social factors (@TylerH)
 
1:51 PM
@TylerH Yeah I was just picking a government definition of a "small" business.
 
Quick question guys: If I'm accessing my PC, and someone logs into it remotely, will I be logged off?
 
@Magisch that's why Germany is a nice place
@Seth depends
 
@TylerH In essence, you can only fire people for very specific reasons, and the burden of proof is on the employer. Some people, you can barely fire at all.
 
@Seth If you're using Windows Remote Desktop, yes. Teamviewer or similar, not so much
 
Remote Desktop Protocol allows 2 people to be logged in simultaneously
but not more
 
1:53 PM
Mh. Just logged onto my PC, and I found nothing on the desktop (looked like a fresh install).
I logged off, logged on again, and everything was there.
 
JAL
morning all
 
5 minutes after, every program closes & I get logged off.
 
JAL
o/
 
It probably just was slow to load up all the services
hmm
 
@JAL o/
 
1:53 PM
\o
 
is there someone else who could legitimately be accessing your computer?
 
Hiya JAL
 
@TylerH I am at work, and I'm logging onto this PC over our network.
So, technically speaking, yes.
 
Also @TylerH Drug tests and alike are completly off limits here
 
you're logging into your work PC?
 
1:55 PM
Unless you can prove as employer that a medicial exam is required for the job (and you can't know the results, only pass/fail), then what your employees do in their own time is none of your business.
 
@Seth Running Windows?
 
@NathanOliver Ye
@TylerH Aye
Scary stuff oO
 
Either there was an error with the profile service so it logged you into a temporary default profile(looks like a fresh install) or you happened to log in when it was in the update process so it created a temp account, finished its updates and the rebooted since that was the plan and nothing interrupts Microsofts plans.
 
Look at the event logs of the computer
it should store logon and logoff events
also yes I somewhat suspected logging in during a reboot
 
Uhh.. How can I check the event logs? :x
 
1:59 PM
Start > Run > wevtutil
 

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