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1:00 PM
@rene Just trying to keep you in the loop on things that could possibly touch SOCVR
 
JAL
@ryanyuyu yeah there's that. I also had a newer one about non-technical documentation clarification: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/326693/2415822
 
@gunr2171 I won't be any help at all, I'm afraid :)
 
ah, no problem
 
@Magisch Well, your boss/management isn't that bright, eh? :/
 
@Seth Unfortunately not
 
1:01 PM
@Seth he's not in the hot room, so no. Magisch is bright because he's so hot
 
Most things here are law minimum
 
Btw, google reverse image search says JAL is a flower.
 
@gunr2171 Star-worthy.
 
I get the minimum legal salary, minimum pto, maximum work hours, and minimum sick days
 
@Magisch brutal. It's almost like they don't care.
 
1:02 PM
@Magisch that's bad
 
@Magisch Well, that's well below what the law requires. And, by the way, risking to get sued for willingly exposing your employees to health risks like that is no fun, not in the least.
 
I'm loving my zero-hours contract :)
 
JAL
@ryanyuyu lol did you just google image search on my avatar?
 
Well, 23 days PTO, about 2 euros monthly over the minimum salary for apprentices (less then half of minimum wage) and point blank 40 hours a work week
They give me 10 minutes to get here after school
 
And OP doesn't accept.
 
1:04 PM
Mate, your workplace reeks.
 
@JAL yes. The resulting link was way too long for a chat message though
 
@Magisch tempted to say "get a better job"
 
JAL
@ryanyuyu weird, a bunch of cartoons came up for me. For reference my avatar is the Chief from "Where on Earth Is Carmen Sandiego?"
 
Just not finishing my apprenticeship is not an option
That looks "I'll bin this instantly" bad on a resume
 
@Magisch oh, apprenticeship
What country's this?
 
1:05 PM
germany
 
JAL
@ryanyuyu or did you use the image on my cv? stackoverflow.com/cv/joshlieberman
 
@ArtOfCode germany
 
@JAL Oh I used the tiny one from chat
 
@JAL I thought it was from the animated Ghostbusters
 
so that's probably why. Using the normal sized one from your user page returns better stuff.
 
JAL
1:06 PM
ah
 
[FYI] Answer Timelines now show when the answer was accepted. idk if that stays if the answer is unaccepted.
 
@NathanOliver The OP doesn't respond. The code works.
 
JAL
@Machavity close, similar animation style
 
@PraveenKumar They do not need to respond right away. People do have lives. Your statement This OP never accepts or acknowledges any answers! is blatantly false.
 
@NathanOliver Gotcha... Removed the comment.
 
1:09 PM
Thanks. removed mine as well.
 
@Seth In my company, I basicly get the legal minimum required treatment, but no inch above that
For almost everything
 
@TimCastelijns went with tool rec
 
It feels like my brain is actually turning to mush
 
@Magisch don't melt.
 
@Magisch Wet a cloth and put it on your head or neck. It will help cool you.
 
1:14 PM
don't have any
and going to the breakroom outside of the break isn't allowed
 
wow
 
Do you work in a sweat shop?
 
@Magisch that's just bull.
 
@Magisch that's really strict
 
@NathanOliver that would have been funny if it weren't true presently.
 
1:15 PM
Yeah I was trying to be punny
 
Yah generally speaking you bring your drinks at the start of the day and refresh in the 30m daily break but thats it
Leaving in between only to go to the toilet, and the break room is afaik locked
 
Wow. I though Germany had a pretty generous break and lunch requirements.
 
How soon can you possibly get out of there?
 
@ArtOfCode Spring 2018
 
that's not "no improvement", that's active harm, by the way
 
1:18 PM
@NathanOliver It does, on a work day more then 5 hours long, you have to have 30 min break
 
@ryanyuyu rejected and edited
 
You can request an hour, but only if you have a justifiable reason for it (like longer travel time to get food) and its not counted as work time, so you have to work longer if you do that
 
thanks
 
@Magisch That is what we have. I though they required like 1 hour minum lunches and breaks in the am and pm.
 
@AndrasDeak yeah it really was, but I assumed it was just a weird audit. I didn't actually believe someone would have suggested that.
 
1:19 PM
@NathanOliver 6h+ = 30min break, 9h+ = 45min break :)
 
@NathanOliver Daily work here goes from 8.00 to 16.30 and coming late at all means you work half an hour unpaid extra
Any time before start or after end that you work is considered donated to the company
 
psh
I don't have breaks
 
@NathanOliver If I had 2x 1h break in the day I'd have to work 1 1/2 hours longer every day
Not appealing
 
Wow. OK. My dad worked for a company based in Stuttgart and when he visited everyone had 2 hours worth of breaks and lunch per day in a 9 hour work day.
 
Companys can of course do better
but these are the legal minimums
 
1:21 PM
Was that the theory or the practice, though?
 
and here, the only thing that counts are the legal minimums
 
@Tunaki Practice makes perfect?
 
In theory, I'm supposed to have 2 hours of lunch break also.
In practice, it is 20 minutes :)
 
@Tunaki Mostly the practice. Everyone left at lunch to go eat with there families. My dad was shocked by that.
 
Meh :/ Some employers don't seem to realize that pushing your employees motivation results in a far more productive work environment.
 
1:24 PM
Well
 
@Kyll Not so sure. It looks like they are trying to understand how job scheduling would be implemented.
 
My company also hires everyone on yearly contracts for the first three years
so they can fire them more easily
 
Might be better on programmers.
 
Incidentally, three times is the legally allowed maximum of times you're allowed to do that. It used to be 5 before.
 
@Undo OK, appreciated. Sorry for jumping on you guys
 
1:26 PM
@NathanOliver Is it about programming then?
 
Hi everyone
 
Plop Andy!
 
Plop @AndyK!
 
Hiya
 
@rene No worries ;)
 
1:27 PM
can any of you move this question to academia.stackexchange.com, please? stackoverflow.com/questions/37988991/…
 
@Kyll Just not sure. I agree it is not a fit here, just not sire where it would be a fit. It looks like OS design rationale.
 
hiya @Kyll
 
@Magisch You are in your first year of apprentice ship, eh?
 
@AndyK Only mods can do that. You can raise a mod flag for that.
 
I'd strongly suggest looking out for a possibility of switching to a different company.
 
1:28 PM
how do I do that, @NathanOliver?
 
@NathanOliver Yep, not sure either
 
@AndyK Flag the question you want moved as in need of moderator intervention and explain where you want it moved to.
 
thanks @NathanOliver
 
done
 
1:30 PM
:)
Just a note is is not guaranteed to happen but it is the only way to request it. Well I guess you could go to meta but they will tell you to flag it me thinks.
 
and it is vote today, don't forget to vote
 
I would but they do not have ballots on this side of the pond.
 
#lol
 
Vote for what? Brexit?
 
yep
 
1:33 PM
Ah :3
 
@Seth end of the first year, yes
I started in august last year
 
When will the results of the Brexit vote be known?
 
later
:)
 
@Seth And you? Second year?
 
I'm watching the vote from below the Channel.
 
1:34 PM
The final result is expected around “breakfast time” on Friday morning, according to the Electoral Commission, but the outcome may become clear earlier than that as the bigger electoral regions start to announce their votes.
 
If britain leaves the eu will so absolutely screw them
 
or EU will be screwed
 
If the EU refuses to or harshly renegotiaties some treaties, they can turn britain into a third world country in a month
 
EU is scaring the s*** right of me
 
the main part of the economy is the financial industry, which is entirely dependant on the EU playing nice
 
1:36 PM
@Magisch Nope, same as you, end of first year :)
 
@Magisch Isn't Germany propping up the EU economically at this point?
 
@JacobGray A few countries, but yes among other things, we're paying in net
 
If one part failed, are the others part strong enough to sustain the breakup...?
 
@JacobGray Ye.
@AndyK No. That's not how it works.
The EU drags everything down.
 
But if we were to leave it we would suffer the same giant recession that britain will if it does
 
1:36 PM
Nice idea by itself.
 
@Seth EU is an artificial behemoth. The sum of its every part will be always more mediocre than one of its part
 
But a shitty implementation.
 
The shared market in europe is most of what keeps most EU country's economys going even
 
Yup, sadly it is.
 
If britain leaves that, they either have to pay significantly more then now to get access to it, or they won't at all, both of which spell doom for britains economy
also plop @Kyll
 
1:40 PM
Plop Mag
 
!!/whoami
 
@AshishAhujaツ My id for this room is 3735529.
 
hey @AshishAhujaツ , rad new fox avatar thing
 
@Magisch yup. It was recommend by ryanyuyu. It's a fennekin
 
@Yam Heeeh, not sure any more. Someone proficient in to check it? @TimCastelijns, could you take a look?
 
JAL
1:51 PM
@Yam still seems too broad
 
@Tunaki Come ooon
 
JAL
lol
 
@Tunaki screenshot for peasants?
 
1:51 PM
thanks
 
Woah, ChrisF'ed
 
@JAL Did you flag on that bounty ever get processed?
 
I'd have abusive flagged that @Kyll
 
JAL
@NathanOliver which one, the one that was promoting an answer?
 
Yeah
 
JAL
1:52 PM
@NathanOliver nope still pending
also waiting for a mod to provide an answer to the meta question
 
OK. Let me know how that goes if you do not mind. I am curious to see what they do.
 
@Kyll can we shorten that to just "F-ed"?
 
JAL
@NathanOliver Of course! I think it's an interesting question that should have a concrete answer
 
Same here
 
@ryanyuyu Nope =p
 
1:56 PM
afk
 
@AndyK no way, all of Europe needs to join the EU. NEW WORLD ORDER
 
JAL
@Tunaki going through NATO I see
 
@JAL Don't tell Russia
lol
 
JAL
lol
 
2:06 PM
lol
 
You guy sknow there is a huge effort from the curry industry in the UK to get people to vote to leave the EU
 
JAL
o/ Madra
 
because while inside the EU they have to deal with difficult immigration laws which means not enough cooks who know how to cook spicy curry
and apparently curry is the national dish of the UK?
 
Plop Madara
 
2:07 PM
Here I was thinking it was fish n chips
 
@TylerH Wat
 
@JAL NAA
just a rant
@Kyll If the UK leaves they can go back to setting their own immigration policies across the board
 
@TylerH I know, but still. wat.
 
I mean, yeah, it's totally ridiculous
First of all it doesn't sound like a real problem to begin with. Just write the freakin recipe for curry down and put it on the internet
problem solved, now anyone can cook curry!
 
@TylerH #lmao
 
JAL
2:10 PM
ayyyy
 
The reason I know about this was because NPR had some guy come on their radio show one morning on my way to work
 
@AndyK what for?
 
talking about "I hope David Cameron hears the concerns of the curry industry"
 
@gunr2171 to move this question to academia stack. I've flagged it
 
2:12 PM
you're just going to have to wait :(
mods are busy, a flag is enough
 
@TylerH Meh, it's NPR
Yo @undo
 
@JacobGray whoa whoa whoa, no need for that kind of negativity
 
sir, i'm going to need to ask you to calm down
 
@JacobGray Oy
 
2:16 PM
:D
 
@Undo aye aye
 
:31311415 I'm gonna take the liberty of deleting that
There's a reason I don't use my real name in most places; Hangouts is just a place I haven't really figured out how not to
 
@Undo Isn't your name on your website...
 
I thought your real name was "Doggy McDogFace"
 
@JacobGray Yeah, but at least it takes a little digging.
 
2:18 PM
@Undo I hear ya... Google ended up linking my Mogsdad account with my real account in hangouts, so I just kinda gave up. Now everyone knows I'm an excellent keeper!
 
@gunr2171 ssssh the misdirection was working.
 
@Kyll no change IMO
 
JAL
@Kyll ha, we were just talking about that earlier
also I answered it
 
@Kyll If you squint, it looks like a "how do I do this thing" question which seems on-topic, if broad.
 
JAL
2:19 PM
Go ahead and flag that, I haven't had much luck with flagging bounty questions recently, hence my many meta questions
 
back
 
Ahh damn
 
front
 
too late mogs
 
JAL
side to side \o\ /o/
 
2:20 PM
wb Nathan, wf Mogs
 
Apparently there is a mass shooting going on in a Kino near my city
>_>
 
in a box to the left
 
@JAL FWIW, usually we hold off on revoking bounties if they've been around for a while and have attracted answers.
In this case, if I thought it was close-worthy I wouldn't have any issues revoking it.
 
@Seth bewaffneter verschanzt im kinopolis viernheim. Angeblich verletzte. SEK hat stellung bezogen und weitgehend abgeriegelt. Nachrichtensperre verhängt vorläufig
 
Still not convinced that it's off-topic
 
2:20 PM
@Undo Then @JAL what about reshaping it this way? Maybe ask OP first.
 
JAL
@Undo yes, I know the basic rules, only flag if they they have more than 4 days left and are attracting crap
 
translate: bewaffneter verschanzt im kinopolis viernheim. Angeblich verletzte. SEK hat stellung bezogen und weitgehend abgeriegelt. Nachrichtensperre verhängt vorläufig
(from German) armed barricaded in the kinopolis viernheim. Allegedly violated. SEC has taken a position and largely sealed off. News blackout imposed provisional
 
@Undo Oh
Sorry
 
@JAL Seems sane
 
JAL
wow stay safe
 
2:21 PM
I'll refrain from using it from now on
 
@Magisch No worries
 
Duty calls. (Or is that doody? Meh, same thing, some days...)
 
JAL
To be honest I'm surprised that the flag on this question was declined. it's too broad and imo not a good fit for SO
but the peanut gallery seems to think it's ok
 
@Undo Armed man holed up in a Kino in Viernheim. According to reports, several people were wounded. the SEK (like a swat team) has arrived on the scene and is widely locking down the area. Until further notice direct coverage from the scene is prohibited until the situation is cleared
 
@Magisch eek. Be safe.
 
JAL
2:23 PM
@Mogsdad new poo™
 
@Undo Thats less then 20 kilometers from here
o_O
 
@Magisch Isn't 20km a fairly large distance in Europe?
Comparatively.
 
@Undo Well
Comparatively, yes
It still hits close to home
 
Yeah, definitely
 
I go to that kino every month
 
2:25 PM
compared to?
 
@Undo it's roughly 10 miles
 
A kino is a cinema right
 
@Machavity 12.4ish
 
yes
 
@Undo depends on where you live
 
2:25 PM
Its the biggest cinema in the area
Everybody from the region goes there
 
@Magisch So... why attack it on a Thursday?
 
And its 15.30 when this started so that means most people in there will be children
 
Thursday morning at that
 
JAL
woot the burination of is
 
thursday after school
special kids day. Where school kids get 40% off
 
2:26 PM
@Magisch People are so stupid :D
 
JAL
yikes, that's so morbid
 
@Magisch Oh right, timezones. It's morning here and I got messed up. Eeek.
yuck that's terrible
 
Well shit
A shooting in a cinema full of kids, half an hour from where I live
And I thought this morning the worst thing about today would be the heat
 
Don't assume anything
 
The SEK has issued a news block until the situation is cleared, which means there are definitely hostages involved
 
2:29 PM
@Mogsdad Hey, were you the one who sent me a LinkedIn request?
 
That's an assumption
 
They only do that for hostage situations
 
@Magisch A news block? Why is that even a thing?
 
@Undo to protect the hostages
 
@Undo Cause nowadays that's no different from a football match for most people... ^^
 
2:30 PM
If you have news reporters running around on scene, giving live updates on what exactly the police is doing, thats not ideal. The perp might have a cellphone with net
 
@Magisch Guess that makes sense.
Still seems icky
 
:-(
I'm flying to Germany in less than 48 hours
 
Newsblock just means no direct pictures from the scene can be aired
 
@TylerH Destination? :D
 
they can be taken, but not published, iirc
 
2:32 PM
Could anyone explain the last part of this comment please? Is that question off-topic as no-repro?
 
@Seth Well I'm flying into Munich but I'm visiting friends in Oldenburg so that will be my main destination
 
@Seth unknown
 
@Magisch Ah, okay. So they can still publish stories and such, they just can't have a live feed of the area.
 
Stories, but not image/video
 
@TylerH Oh, nice, wanna meet & greet? I'm from Oldenburg xD
The world's small.
 
2:33 PM
@Seth :o sick!
 
@TimCastelijns Love that song :>
 
We'll see :-) I have no itinerary yet so it is very possible
 
@TylerH Will be close either way though, I'm leaving on monday morning (~10 am), and you'll probably need some time to travel from munich to oldenburg :P
 
@Seth Well I land on Sunday at 9:10AM (local time) or so
Probably will take a train (maybe fly) up there
I'll be in Germany for a week
@Magisch All I can find is "Western Germany". Whereabouts in the country is it happening?
Ah Viernheim
 
@NathanOliver And that was my last vote
 
@TylerH I'll be gone from monday till friday :>
 
ffk
 
@Kyll free for kyll?
 
2:44 PM
@TylerH You wish. Far from keyboard.
 
free from kyll
 
Woah!!!
 
@PraveenKumar Ninja'd
 
@Seth Undo'ne
 
2:49 PM
@PraveenKumar Oh dayum ô.o
 
@Seth :D
 
I knew SO was an evil place. Our main feature is burning friends
6
 
Is my A here edit possibility free-plz?
 
@kayess What?
@NathanOliver Oh noez :(
 
@Seth As in if you guys could please review it for typos or so things that could be edited out?
 
2:52 PM
inorite ;)
 
@kayess looks good
 
@kayess So you want a :)
 
Thanks Tim!
 
SEQ is up over 60 again right now. I think there's at least a half dozen people who've found the loophole to boost rep quickly by flooding suggested edits.
 
@NathanOliver lol yes, taking notes for that tag:D
 
2:53 PM
@Undo Yeah, the purpose is to prevent live feed info from compromising the victims
 
@Magisch Seems fairly sane
 
@kayess just watch out for a chameleon question, OP seems inquisitive
 
@RyanBemrose If they're too minor, throw a flag on it and shoot me a ping
If they're just flooding the queue with good edits, yay!
 
I'm all out of reviews today, and don't know any other way to see the SEQ.
 
SEQ?
 
2:54 PM
@Undo Should we flag edits like this one?
 
Ah Suggested Edits
 
@AndrasDeak how do you mean chameleon ?
 
@TylerH suggested edits queue
 
Its somewhat spammy
 
Yeah, once you're out of reviews you can't see the review feed anymore
 
2:55 PM
@kayess like this
 
but you can view your previous reviews
just gotta play with the URL
 
@Magisch Not that one because I'm handling it, but he has a few other pending edits doing the same thing
 
it doesn't seem like that yet, but OP says "I'm not very experienced with ..."
 
Oops...
 
2:56 PM
@Undo Ahh no need to report his posts either
You're already in full nuke mode
 
@Magisch woooow that's real bad
 
@Magisch You just nuked the nuke... You will be nuked soon.
 
@Magisch Best mode there is
 
@Undo says the best mod there is *wink wink*
 
What was the fallout?
 
2:58 PM
@AndrasDeak oh thanks, reading.
 
as I said, I don't think that will happen, especially as I'm unaware of the tech you're talking about:) Just wanted to know that this is a thing and be vigilant
 
@AndrasDeak Smoooooth....
 

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