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12:00 PM
Didn't even have time to load the flag dialogue
 
You would think that an unreged account would have an instaban if a post gets deleted for spam or rude/abusive.
 
@PetterFriberg LoL who?
 
25 pages of NATO done. A guess at how many flags were raised?
 
@PraveenKumar The p***is poster
 
101?
 
12:01 PM
@Tunaki 25 * items-per-page
 
@PetterFriberg Ha ha ha... I guess I missed it.
 
Can you do queries about unregistered users with SEDE?
 
How could you we have had 3-4 reports from him...
 
@Rizier123 nope, only votes
 
@Tunaki 57
 
12:03 PM
@Tunaki 42 * 2
 
@PetterFriberg All right, nice! You win!
 
Yeah!! what is the gran price?
 
Nothing fishy going on whatsoever
 
@Rizier123 Users table has an AccountId property that might indicate there is no account.
 
@Rizier123 Oh - you sobered up?
 
12:06 PM
@Kyll not at all
 
@MartinJames Just don't have the motivation anymore to learn a new language and probably also too dumb for it..
 
@Rizier123 Come to JS heaven \o/
 
@Rizier123 However you rationalize it, not learning Haskell is a fine decision:)
 
This is the meta site. It's for vamps to complain about their downvotes and tell us how nasty the rest of us are, not for software development questions. — Martin James 5 mins ago
 
@Tunaki Source?
 
12:09 PM
@Kyll "Why is heaven so hot, and who are the little red guys with the pitchforks?"
 
OMG?
What happened?
 
The spam is a flying and we are a frying. Hopefully everyone was okay with fried spam today.
 
@Kyll my motivation to do anything is == to death
 
@NathanOliver No eggs?
 
12:11 PM
@Rizier123 Find something fun to do then
 
@MartinJames Sorry fresh out. I can ask the Python room for some cabbage.
 
@Kyll What's fun?
 
@NathanOliver lol
 
@Rizier123 Depends on your mindset
 
@Rizier123 vacation needed!
and by extension: vitamin D :)
 
12:17 PM
Don't like vacations at all. Last one was like 3-4 years ago.
 
@Rizier123 so you've been working non-stop for 3-4 years?
 
@Gimby Many SO users cannot get vitamin D in that fashion - the users catch fire and turn to dust.
 
@MartinJames or rather turn to stone, like the trolls from the Hobbit ;)
 
@Gimby lol
 
12:23 PM
@Ferrybig Bluefeet actually jumped into chat after she posted check transcript
 
Waffles with the spam
 
ok sorry... I will use it next time : )
 
np. Just pointing it out.
 
> Then, we'll start looking at increasing the number of close votes based on rep.
Gods freaking damnit
 
12:27 PM
@Kyll Now you have 2 reasons to start rep whoring. More CV's and to see deleted content.
 
@NathanOliver I really wish something would be done about us poor non-players
 
They should give close votes based on how good your flag, close votes and flags are moderating stuff, rep is answering stuff
 
Sam
afk
 
@Ferrybig Yes, please. But it won't happen.
 
12:30 PM
@Rizier123 That did not need an explicit 'Php' in the title; it was obviously PHP from the rest of the text:)
 
@Ferrybig Close votes on the basis of how many votes you have cast is not a bad idea.
 
@PetterFriberg "you have cast" and were agreed upon
 
The more you vote the better you get...
 
morning!
 
12:32 PM
Plop gunr
 
morning!
 
morning!
 
Hiya
 
Hi gunr
 
12:36 PM
look out?
 
left-overs?
 
lead on?
 
link only
 
lootable object
 
Guys, what's happening?
 
12:44 PM
Laughably Off-topic
 
lucky onion
tool tips that show reputation now include commas? Is this new or have I not noticed it before?
 
If it's new you surely couldn't have noticed before.
Logical oxymoron
 
:P
 
ah, so it is new. thanks
soccernetlive
spam
 
12:57 PM
Total spam
 
Blob.
 
But, if I use fire the flag will burn
 
Now what do we do about the Q?
 
meh
I'll downvote because I think it's a bad question, but I'll move on
 
moving on
 
1:03 PM
I don't even imgur.com/Jfv6F2r
 
@Kyll Your website?
 
scary
 
1:11 PM
@NathanOliver Yeah
Some people x)
 
I don't know if we as a species is getting dumber or if the internet has just exposed how dumb we really are.
 
Or we're just doing a poor job at teaching. It's still pretty new.
 
teaching what?
 
I hath returned
from school
 
Hope you learned nothing.
 
1:19 PM
Wow you are really antagonistic this week tuna
 
willkommen zurück
 
stress with closey?
 
Yeah. She's throwing errors and all.
 
@NathanOliver Wechseln wir zu Deutsch?
 
Können wir machen
 
1:22 PM
@Rizier123 lets not. I took three years back in high school but that was a while ago.
 
@Closey status
 
SOCVR Chatbot, running at nagato v2 docker, version 4c52c9c8 on master, running for 17 hours, 57 minutes, and 28 seconds (tracking latency 40910ms).
 
^ I wait for the first "troll comment"
 
@Rizier123 delete PHP and use python!
 
waiting for the last CV so I can delete vote
 
1:29 PM
@Rizier123 Me, me, me!
 
waiting for the last delete vote to continue with my life
 
We now return you to your regularly schedule questions
 
Btw
Both of my risky mod flags yesterday were helpful
\o/
 
Too bad!
 
1:32 PM
@NathanOliver Heh, everything we know
 
I think the internet just puts the idiocy on display for all to see
 
We also all have a morbid curiosity when it comes to it x)
 
50 pending flags. Testing period is indeed over!
 
@Kyll You can lead a man to knowledge but you can force them to learn. perfect example: stackoverflow.com/questions/36623096/…
 
+'t
 
1:38 PM
What do we do in case of non english Q's ? stackoverflow.com/questions/36624824/…
:)
 
:)
 
You wot
@MartinJames You're like the SO version of the vampire hunter
equipped with an automatic stakedriver and no mercy
 
Each of his comments should come with popcorn attached.
 
@Magisch Call me Buffy
 
Though, I see way way worse questions every day on SO than those guys Q's...
 
1:45 PM
Umm. no, on second thoughts, no.
 
@MartinJames I wonder how you managed to have like 4 questions with -15 score
are really so many people revenge voting on you?
How long have you been grinding newbies into the dirt for?!
 
@Magisch It's not just the newb posters of bad questions I hate, it's the 20k repWhors who answer them. I just downvotes two RW: stackoverflow.com/questions/36624881/…
 
@MartinJames :D
I remember you downvotes some of my posts
when I started
 
@Magisch We,, there are a couple factors. 1) The questions were indeed crap. 2) Revenge-downvoters who know that they have ot restrict themsevles to 2 downvotes/day to avoid the script.
 
1:49 PM
Meh, just look at what I pasted last time... It now has like 6 FGITW...
@Mogs \o
 
JAL
hey all
 
Hiya
 
hey @JAL
 
yo
 
At least I think you did
 
JAL
1:56 PM
^ I can't vote on that one, I already retracted my cv when before the accepted answer was posted
 
Good morning!
 
JAL
morning mogs
 
Morning
 
morning
 
@Mogsdad It's neither morning nor good here, but welcome anyway:)
 
JAL
1:57 PM
@EricD if you would like to hammer ^, good afternoon
 
@MartinJames The sun is shining here
literally the worst
I hate sun. Or light. Or people.
3
 
@Magisch +1
 
@Magisch A sociopathic vampire. I can see how you fit in really well on SO:)
 
@Mogs o/
(thanks for the edit!)
 
@Tunaki It only needed a tweak, good post.
@MartinJames Sorry to hear that. Here, the hold of winter is almost over. Almost all the snow has melted, and it's up to 10c today, with the promise of 20c on the weekend. AND I'm off tomorrow for a long weekend at Niagara Falls... so "good" barely begins to describe it.
 
2:08 PM
I hate hate hate warmth
my room in the winter is consistently below 15C
 
@Mogsdad OK, I hate you now, but only until Monday;)
 
I only need a neckbeard and +75 LBs and I am the stereotypical programmer
:D
 
@Magisch Already wearing Birkenstocks with socks?
 
@Mogsdad Of course
But seriously, Im mandated by work to wear sandals with socks
specifically anti static sandals
 
@Magisch do you also eat all your food cold?
 
2:11 PM
Well no
I love cooking for myself or my girlfriend :D
 
see, heat isn't all bad :p
 
And decorating cake :D
 
@JAL That question has had quite the roller-coaster ride, and just got reopened. (Had 4 reopen votes when you posted your request.) Is there going to be a battle if we close it again?
 
Was there any meta drama I missed besides @martin grinding another new guy into the dirt?
 
@Mogsdad "post reopened by Magisch". So probably yes :)
 
2:16 PM
Isn't Meta all about drama?
4
 
@Magisch I can't help it. The moles keep popping up, so I just have to whack them.
 
Well yeah
but you still come of as a merciless person grinding people into the dirt
:D
 
@Magisch I don't always do that! Sometimes, they delete their question before I can get my boots on.
 
@JAL Hi! Done. :)
 
JAL
@EricD thanks!
@Mogsdad Yes, I flagged the accepted answer as NAA and a mod closed the question as "no repro." Apparently my answer isn't as well received as the "this is a bug" answer. oh well
Also I don't think this edit is appropriate (user is only speculating when the bugfix will be released). Roll back?
 
2:31 PM
To be fair though, that answer was written by someone who works for Apple, so they've got some inside information on the timeline I'm sure.
 
Are you sure he is only speculating?
 
@JAL I'm going through the repo for evidence of build numbers; that sort of conclusive evidence.
 
JAL
@KirkBeard Yes, but the edit was by a non-apple employee
 
But, Jeremy's comment says "hopefully I got this right", so he appears to be guessing.
 
JAL
^ yes
 
2:33 PM
github.com/nkcsgexi — his Github profile lists an @apple.com email address, although their website says "Ph.D. Candidate, CS@NC State University", without any mention of Apple.
 
JAL
@KirkBeard He's an apple employee, his commit was pushed straight to master (no PR, no review) github.com/apple/swift/commit/…
 
Ah, just re-read the comment for the edit. I'm not sure where they got the v2.2.1 release from.
 
JAL
exactly, that's why I'm tempted to roll back
 
@JAL Rather than roll back, you could change "will" to "should".
 
Maybe instead of rolling it back changing it to future release?
 
2:37 PM
Waffle.
In the cube next to me sits a designer working on software for our next line of desktop phones. He's working from home today, but running a series of tests that involve ringing and other audio tests. All his phones are connected to a single POE (power over Ethernet) switch, so the evil side of me is suggesting a localized power outage to reduce the noise.
 
JAL
edited, let me know what you guys think.
lol amazing
 
@JAL Mischief managed.
 
JAL
:)
 
Looks good
 
2:39 PM
@Petter Is there a dupe for that one? stackoverflow.com/q/36625929/1743880 (solved in the comments)
 
Should we protect? It is the second spam/rude answer.
 
@NathanOliver I think so yes.
 
Looks like Paul agrees
 
3:09 PM
Hark! And rejoice, for I have returned.
 
> Last night I accidentally ran, on all servers, a Bash script with a rm -rf {foo}/{bar} with those variables undefined due to a bug in the code above this line.
sigh
 
is weird that preserve root didn't kick in
 
This shouldn't even work. You need preserve root
Well good for him. He'll learn now not to write something like this.
 
oh hey, SF question is the one serverfault.com/q/769357/180142
 
3:13 PM
oh wow, nice
 
Why oh why did he not have a test environment? I don't run a single commit SQL on my oracle DB without running it on the test DB first.
 
You should live on the edge.
No test. Straight to production.
 
@Tunaki yeah, the SE way
 
lol
I prefer to keep my job
 
The real man's way.
 
3:23 PM
 
@rene Almost looks like no-MCVE
 
@rene good find on the meta feature-request btw.
 
Maybe the SU people could possible tell him why. I would think any application using SSLStream would have broke
 
went for MCVE and left a comment
@ryanyuyu yeah, I'm evil when those questions are tagged discussion as well...
 
That's it, out of flags.
 
3:28 PM
@Tunaki OK, enjoy your day, see you tomorrow ;)
 
:D
 
@Tunaki I can sew you some more but it will take until tomorrow
 
Was Closey updated with the new count?
 
Sam
@Tunaki Not yet.
 
Okay. I'll wait for that before reviewing.
 
Sam
3:32 PM
Give me 10-15 mins.
 
@Sam Time starts now. Go! :-D
 
I'll give you 5.
 
Sam
Challenge accepted.
@Clo stop bot
 
@Sam I'm shutting down...
Goodbye! (nagato v2 docker)
 
Sam
Oh wait
 
3:34 PM
I assume you update const int SIXTY = 40;
 
Sam
I still can't update the bot, @gunr hasn't fixed the permissions thing yet afaik.
 
lol rene
 
Sam
@rene return 20 * ((revCount ?? 1000) >= 1000 ? 2 : 1);
 
so you stopped the bot? and now what?
 
Sam
I can start it back up again...
 
3:35 PM
The clock is ticking @Sam.
 
Sam
But not update it...
@Tunaki Well blame gunr.
 
Sigh... software engineers ...
 
Sam
@rene Like you're not one of them? ;)
 
Look at my code ... do you need more evidence?
 
Hello everyone! (nagato v2 docker)
 
3:42 PM
Ooo they changed the CSS in the comment flag dialog.
 
@Tunaki yep, it is now worse
 
@Sam oh, sorry about that
I'll update it
 
Sam
np
 
You made Sam lose his challenge.
 
problem is the bot runs from my home folder. I still need to get it moved into a central location
 
Sam
3:44 PM
(The commit's ready to pull in.)
@gunr2171 Yeah, I noticed lol
 
building now
 
@gunr2171 Do you want to move it to the AWS I run
 
Spam? Something not right about the "funeral" and "trustee"... stackoverflow.com/a/36627669/1677912
 
Sam
Outsource all teh things!
 
no, I've already got a really good server, it's just the location on the computer I run it on
at this point I'm being lazy
 
3:45 PM
@Mogsdad really fishy yeah
 
Hello everyone! (nagato v2 docker)
 
@Tunaki There are other answers there that are kinda similar, but with obviously fake IDs...
 
@Closey status
 
SOCVR Chatbot, running at nagato v2 docker, version bcc6adcc on master, running for 27 seconds (tracking latency 1000ms).
 
Hiya love.
 
Sam
3:46 PM
@Tunaki Lost by 8 mins.
 
@Tunaki Probably a comment on the accepted answer, though, so flag away.
 
I'm out of flags :)
 
Hey
 
Hiya o/
 
Sam
3:52 PM
Hiya
 
@gunr2171 okey dokey
 
hi
 
@Kyll gone
 
So the tag conversation I accidentally started is still going strong.
 
Apparently yeah. I saw the second answer there.
 
3:53 PM
I'm starting to understand why there are two tags, but I still think it's wrong.
@Tunaki We're up to 4 answers and 4 edits.
 
Link?
 
28
Q: Are tags: [mutability] and [immutability] the same?

Moshe(Edits at the bottom.) The Question I was tagging a question with mutability and I noticed that there was a tag mutability and another one called immutability. The mutability tag has no wiki-description and was used 86 times, and the immutability does have a description and was used almost 1800...

 
Oh I need to catch up then.
 
Hehe
Strong opposition is mostly on grounds of "people are asking for help with one form or another."
 
Yeah. Apparently community opinion swung back the other way.
 
3:54 PM
The Stack Exchange tour says that's not what tags are for.
@ryanyuyu It's weird because it's a nuanced language issue.
Tags are for subject matter not what you're asking for help with. (There's a tiny difference.)
 
IMHO I would keep them separate. English wise there is no need but I fell for programmers normally you only want to discuss the immutable or mutable behavior so having a tag for each lets you know what type of mutability you are talking about.
 
As much as I'd like to say they're all wrong, the community seems to like two separate tags.
 
@NathanOliver Answers say one thing, votes say another. Whelp.
 
I've already cast my vote and it seems to be on the losing side. Meh.
 
I'm really not sure of there being two tags, though. Most of mutability is also tagged immutability.
 

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