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11:00 AM
@PetterFriberg #1 not a question, #2 copypasta from OPs blog (with ads), #3 undisclosed that its his blog
3 strikes, out, imo.
 
Agreed, flagged as spam
 
The username of his stackoverflow is exact the same as the author of the blog post
 
Got a declined offensive flag here, what was it?
 
That was copypasta from lots of places
Not offensive
 
Oh, okay then
 
11:03 AM
Go get 10k slacker!
 
Oh, it fell in my "garbage posts" scope then (unreadable garbage, 1-rep unregistered)
 
Same old story, @Kyll
YMMV with flags
 
@AndrasDeak I'll leave an auto-comment next time
 
But garbage post should get the rude flag?
 
no explicit guidelines, only rules of thumb
 
11:05 AM
Perhaps a spam flag would have not been declined
 
@Ferrybig generally yes, but some mods disagree depending on color of underpants and alignment of stars;)
 
16
A: Is a post such like 'assdddsssafffwq' spam?

UndoThese are abusive, and should be flagged as such (rude/offensive). Those flags should be marked helpful (as should 'spam', 'very low quality', and 'not an answer'. They all apply). Here's my reasoning: We are a professional site. Imagine you're at a conference. You walk into a group of professi...

 
you'll usually get a helpful flag with those
 
@AndrasDeak If you see a mod disagreeing, refer them to meta.stackexchange.com/a/58035, it says use the rude flag on garbage posts
 
But as we know, there are even mods who decline legit flags which were also raised automatically
@Kyll Wait, was Undo a mod back then?
it's not official othewise:P
 
11:07 AM
@AndrasDeak No, but still
 
I'm bored of having the conversation about whether these posts are spam, offensive or something else. I wish to god there was a clear and complete agreement here.
 
@Ferrybig oh that's a good target, thanks
 
@DavidG Offensive is the best choice. Quick destruction, no noise for the spam detector
 
but it was Kyll who got wronged now
@Kyll yup
 
@AndrasDeak I've got so many declined flags over crap I don't really care anymore
 
11:08 AM
of course it can again be semantics
> gibberish posts along the lines of:
it's not gibberish per se, it makes sense locally
@Kyll yeah I know
 
I think mods should be very generous with accepted flags when the post is clearly crap for any reason
 
im sure
 
otherwise it just frustrates people making an effort to help
 
@DavidG +1 for the sarcasm
 
11:10 AM
I wonder if anyone will appreciate my humour
 
@Kyll Sarcasm?
 
@DalijaPrasnikar Please remember to provide an actual close reason (even if the title kinda raises a red flag there)
@DavidG "Why are people so mean and close my question?!" -> Voting to close as duplicate
 
:D
@Kyll just commenting/flagging
 
@Kyll It seems most questions like this are duped to that one.
 
afk
 
11:12 AM
This community is kind of unique in that we don't care about you as a person in the slightest, only about the quality of the content you submit. Submit a bad question, it will get downvoted. And wether or not a question is very clear or straight forward is often not as clear-cut as you seem to think, especially if you are the asker. — Magisch 5 secs ago
 
@Magisch you should've stopped at the first half sentence
 
@AndrasDeak why that
 
> This community is kind of unique in that we don't care about you as a person in the slightest
'nuff said
 
I try to be civil regardless
 
sure, I was only... joking
*waiting for the boot*
 
11:15 AM
I tried to edit message but it doesn't show - opinion based "What to do I am lost with programming" question that is already collecting equaly bad answers
 
I think every close reason is good for that question, just pick on...
@Magisch I agree but we need to remember that the one asking is in the weak spot and number 2 rule of SO is be nice, so I can understand the OP, its not nice posting a question having people commenting in harsh way, closing it and not understanding why.... makes you not wan't to feel part of the community
 
I don't know about other people's experiences, but every time I have made an effort to ask a proper question I got no hostility
Yes people are very critical, thats the whole point of SO
putting your question out there is a trial by fire
 
I see lot of harsh comments and I don't like it when I see question's closed with out at least on comment trying to help OP (if not a question like the last posted by Dalija)
 
Its always better to leave a helpful comment
but between hundreds of bad questions sometimes the care meter is just not high enough to rehash the old "please read [help] and How to Ask before asking" in a civil tone, so people choose not to comment at all
 
True, but "hundreds of bad questions" don't give you right to be rude to next.... better to just take a coffee...
look at this which comment would you as confused first time user like to riceve? stackoverflow.com/questions/36331559/…
 
11:24 AM
@PetterFriberg rude ==/== not commenting at all
@Karaflakos SE sites are mostly useful Q/A ressources, and communities a distant second. Actually impolite comments are very rare on SE, but I can see you percieving "Thats not how you ask here, please read $helpcenter and $howtoask before posting again or edit your question" as impolite. Fact of the matter is, you are not the judge wether you posted a decent question, the other members are. If you find genuenly mean comments, you can flag them. — Magisch 2 mins ago
 
I like comments like the one above ---^, that is helpful and nice
I would consider it as an answer (not link only) do you agree?
 
That seems link-only to me. Links to a site without explaining how to using it.
 
To late : ), well it suggest an approach (it answers the question), the link is just to show where to find more info.
considering it without the link it still stands as answer, IMHO
 
I posted an answer to that meta Q
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/36332165/… Are these type of questions are on topic?
 
11:34 AM
maximum softball civility engaged I could have been alot ruder but fighting fire with fire doesnt work
 
Y NO ANSWER ! I WAS ALMOST DONE!
 
look how nice comments you can get back "You are simply the Best. That was straight forward and clean. Thanks." : )
 
I got my very own revenge downvoter <3
 
@Lafexlos it need an edit since "figure out" seems broad and unclear needs a more specific problem of OP what does he expect?... Do we need to explain everything about python... "step by step explaination of code??
 
Morning
 
11:41 AM
@Magisch Yes, stealing my possible MSE rep is not something I like ... ;)
@NathanOliver ola
 
@rene You can still answer you know
:P
 
@Magisch yeah, my answer basically read like yours ...
 
@rene Im sorry that I can't read minds
:P
 
try harder
 
If you really care that much I can delete mine and you can post yours
 
11:46 AM
1 message moved to Trash
1 message moved to Trash
 
NathanOliver moved to Trash
 
You can apply almost the same answer to that
 
Bhargav'd again:(
 
@SmokeDetector remove (rolled back)
 
I don't get all the people saying this place is beginner unfriendly
 
11:54 AM
I'm going to post this question on Meta, do you have some comments? Is there anything I could improve? Does it even make sense?
 
@Magisch it's (whiny lazy noob)-unfriendly
it's easy to mistake those for beginners
 
That's because you understand this is not a forum. To most people our format is completely alien and they get upset when we make them conform to our standards.
 
Beeing new doesn't mean you have to ask tosh
It even walks you through exactly what not to do here when you register
how hard is it to spend 20 minutes reading the help center
 
@Gothdo reading.
 
@Gothdo personal opinion: I don't think that FR would fly
SO made a lot of effort to implement a "smart" sorting algorithm, and I don't think they'll budge
unless it's really a new optional setting
otherwise I think it's great:)
 
11:57 AM
@AndrasDeak AFAIK SO sorting algorithm is just upvotes - downvotes.
 
hmm
I'm looking for where I got this from
 
@Gothdo So I answer a question from 1 year ago that has lots of great answers, someone gives me an upvote as it cause the question to show up on the front page, and now my answer is top?
 
@Gothdo It might work but things like this have been asked for a lot. There are meta's to mark answers as deprecated, weight answers based on when they got there votes. I would not be surprised if someone finds a dupe or it goes nowhere.
 
Yeah, @Gothdo, I can't find anything of the kind that I mentioned, sorry. You're probably right (though I'm sure the accepted one is on top always)
 
@Gothdo Very related meta.stackexchange.com/q/125455
 
12:01 PM
Can you filter the suggested edits queue on answers only?
@Gothdo Use the filtering mode active, it usually picks out the betters answers from a thread
 
@Ferrybig No. tags only
 
@DavidG Not really. If from 20 last upvotes on the question's answers you got, for example 5, and the top answer got 10, then your answer should be displayed on the top.
 
@Magisch it should be beginner unfriendly, no? SO is not targeted at beginners
Or do you mean beginner as in new to the site and its rules
 
Well it was tremendously useful for me as a beginner
I got more out of SO then out of school
 
12:07 PM
Ha you linked to the last one already
 
That makes 2 of us
 
Sam
That makes 3 of us
 
School is just "here this is an int, this is a string, have fun guys, figure it out yourself"
 
Im still an apprentice
by all metrics im a total programming beginner
and this site is like the holy grail for useful info
 
@Magisch and you do see hostile people everywhere
you just look in the mirror;)
so it's true!
 
12:12 PM
If I speak for myself: I grew up in an era where there was a distinct "calmness" in the world. No world war and technology was still very primitive. I had a period in the previous decade where I was actually stressed out because I got an overload of signals and impulses from everywhere around me and things moved so quickly. in that respect I can sort of relate to why people today may have trouble seeing the forest for the trees even with the help of SO - it requires a mind trained to go look.
 
Well
the most important aspect of learning programming isn't knowing the particular of any language
its the mindset
 
@Gimby yes, especially now that we are in a time where there are 500 tools for 1 job
 
If you think logically and break problem cases apart the rest is almost trivial
And what I see on here time and time again is that people think they can just take a shortcut and get by on examples, without actually learning to think in logic. That "Write this sample c program" exercise isn't supposed to teach you c syntax, but logical thinking, mainly.
 
C is maybe a special case as far as learning the syntax goes, but yeah you're right about that logical part
 
That has always been the truth of course. Now go and convince someone who is told to go learn stuff that it makes sense to actually learn and understand something before you copy/paste/mutilate it. I already have the greatest difficulty to convince my sister in law that you can't really follow a movie if you constantly look at your facebook updates.
a barrage of signals and impulses - the death of focus
 
12:20 PM
@WaiHaLee I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
lets just go for NAA
 
@closey reviews today
 
Its not worth rolling back that one
 
@Magisch You've reviewed 60 posts today (of which 4 were audits). The time between your first and last review today was 20 minutes and 54 seconds, averaging to a review every 21 seconds.
 
@Closey total reviews today
 
12:21 PM
@Magisch Today, 7 members have reviewed a total of 258 items.
 | User                | Review Items Today |
 |------------------------------------------|
 | Ian                 | 60                 |
 | Magisch             | 58                 |
 | Alexander O'Mara    | 57                 |
 | Tushar              | 57                 |
 | Braiam              | 18                 |
 | Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sW | 4                  |
 | Wai Ha Lee          | 4                  |
 
morning!
 
morning!
 
Sam
morning!
 
@gunr2171 p l o p
 
morning!
 
12:21 PM
morning|
 
\o
 
@Magisch Train destroyer!
 
@Magisch -1 not enough underscores
 
Is a post which is just bold acceptable or should it be edited?
 
Wai Ha Lee passed a audit!
 
12:22 PM
Plop gunr
 
Kyll has returned
:o
 
good news, my work still can't get to chat.SO! Use my corporate vpn (which changes the IP) and I'm good.
 
@Magisch Yeah, they're not being nice in the Ministry so I came back =p
 
Sam
Poor little Kyll.
 
@Kyll You missed something
possibly gunr and sam missed it too
 
12:24 PM
@Magisch I didn't miss that, don't worry ^^
 
Sam
@Magisch Meh, I left MSE a while ago. Don't bother checking over there much nowadays.
 
@Ferrybig sd n do not show on meta smoke metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/23258
 
Hi everyone \o
 
stackoverflow.com/q/36332965/3933332 Should we keep this? The question is so poorly written, that it is misleading what OP wants. And the answer is a copy of the duplicate.
 
Sam
o/
 
12:27 PM
Plop Bhargav!
 
@PetterFriberg It is something that still need to be resolved since the introduction of the naa mark
 
Plop!
 
@BhargavRao o/
 
@BhargavRao o/
 
Today's exam went well...
 
12:29 PM
neat
 
@BhargavRao congrats:)
 
Ty
2 more left to go
 
last one's on Saturday?
 
@gunr2171 is it completely blocked or do you get a 500?
 
12:33 PM
@AndrasDeak Yep
 
hang in there:)
 
yep
 
@rene any address for chat.stackoverflow.com is ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT
I can ping it though
 
@Gothdo I'm not sure I understand your table. No I do.
 
Sam
@BhargavRao If you don't return within 24 hours after the final exam, we'll send a search party.
 
12:36 PM
And by "search party" Sam means we'll loot your place.
 
Yes, please! :D
 
@Tunaki If you think you can make it more clear, feel free to edit.
 
FGITW approaching ----^
 
@Gothdo Isn't there a few amazing resources around about that kind of statistical analysis of votes?
Rhaa, I think I know a few of them. I'm going to try and find some.
 
@Kyll Yeah but this is only based on plus/minus votes, not score order and/or time span
 
12:45 PM
Note that I don't think it takes the age of votes into consideration
But it does highlight one thing: The naive Score = Upvotes - Downvotes approach is garbage
 
@Gothdo mind if I edit the title to make it more clear that your proposal will add another method of sorting answer instead of just replacing the current sorting method?
 
@Mogsdad forum website*
 
Happy now, you crazy rabbit squirrel?
 
@Mogsdad oh ffs
 
12:47 PM
!!/blame
 
@KevinGuan It's tripleee's fault.
 
I flagged that comment
 
The important thing to remember about "average intelligence" is that half the people are dumber than that.
 
@Mogsdad Yes, you crazy dad of people
 
Sam
@Mogsdad rofl
 
12:50 PM
@ryanyuyu I don't mind.
 
@Kyll Have you seen "Over the Hedge" in English? That line is from the part of the movie where the animals have Sammy the Squirrel act like he is rabid... but he doesn't understand what that means, so he keeps repeating to himself, "I'm a crazy rabbit-squirrel!"
 
@Mogsdad I have not. @gunr started a club of obscure native references, you can now join it =p
 
@Magisch 4 hours on? It's already out in the ether...
@Kyll But I'm more than a member. I'm the hair club president!
 
@Mogsdad I wonder if Jon got to use his new burn revision powers on that one
 
He's the VP of Everything
 
12:55 PM
Wai Ha Lee passed a audit!
 
@KevinGuan Grab the update, Kev - fixed that already.
 
@Rizier123 The dupe is closed also. Worth reopening?
 
@Tunaki I would say yes.
 
Okay, wouldn't want to delete if the dupe will be deleted also
Voted to reopen, I don't think it's missing a MCVE.
 
@Tunaki Agreed. Looks like a close voting mob. ;^)
 
1:04 PM
@Rizier123 Guy even bypassed the closure by removing tags in the browser just to post that
>_>
 
@Magisch What do you mean by bypassed the closure by removing tags in the browser j?
 
There is a 3(4?) hour grace period after closure
Where if you either were in progress of sending an answer or if you edit the disabled tags out of the html in the browser you can still post one
 
Ah yeah you mean the disabled attribute from the post button.
 
I do hope that information is not advertised.
 
@WaiHaLee You've reviewed 60 posts today (of which 3 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 48 minutes and 22 seconds, averaging to a review every 48 seconds.
 
1:08 PM
@Tunaki There are several meta posts mentioning it
 
@Closey you failed to notice I passed an audit on my last review! ;(
 
@Mogsdad Ah, let me try.
 
Sam
@WaiHaLee So is the audit count incorrect?
 
My flag on this robo review is still pending :(
 
@Magisch Bah, you don't need to take such a path. If your answer is stored as a draft and post it, the answer will appear. Only for Dupes.
 
1:12 PM
@Sam the count was correct, but it only showed two messages for my three reviews: 1, 2. I passed an audit on my final review.
sd f edited
 
@Magisch But it was worng!
 
Fine, Bye all \o ... Gotta study
 
@BhargavRao Cya
@Magisch Mod flags takes long to mark as helpful, but eventually, it will be helpful
 
@Magisch Patience... I have a pending flag from March 15. Jon explained a few days back why custom flags tend to wait so long - despite the good flags, they are apparently dominated by noise.
 
Also the less flags the lower the priority they are in the flag queue. Since there is only your flag(presumably) it normally takes a few days for it to bubble up in the queue.
 
Sam
1:16 PM
@WaiHaLee Ok
 
@Mogsdad I updated the NATO keys script to ignore keypresses in actual text inputs. gist.github.com/paulroub/8ce3e8bc72d50213d2c81b0823322c29
 
@PaulRoub You're a peach!
 
@Mogsdad Water and sugar based mass with natural coloring
And with seeds in it
 
@Magisch And a fuzzy exterior.
 
Hi... :D
 
1:23 PM
@PraveenKumar plop prav
 
@Magisch plop
 
@PraveenKumar Plop
 
Possibly plagiarized post: this answer has code from here.
 
@Mogsdad I would flag
 
@Mogsdad wouldn't adding the link to the source be enough?
 
1:27 PM
> © 2016 Dottoro.com. All rights reserved.
 
@Gimby Yep - but I'm not doing that. I do when there is a vague attribution, but it's the OP who needs to come clean in this case.
 
Agreed, so a comment then
 
@Gimby Done - my usual "code only" comment.
 
pointless upvote from me :p
 
@Mogsdad Might want to edit it to provide source and guidance regarding it, no?
 
1:29 PM
Bountied question, Low effort barely not NAA, 2 instant upvotes
 
@PaulRoub - the key nav really speeds things up!
@Kyll You guys are such sticklers! (Done.)
@Tunaki Kyll, you spelled "plop" wrong in there...
 
@Tunaki stackoverflow.com/posts/36334888/revisions deleting it once isn't enough :P
 
@Mogsdad I am curious, how on earth did you discover that it was an exact copy from that site? You happened to have seen it before?
 
@Mogsdad Where?
 
@Rizier123 ha, nice!
 
JAL
1:33 PM
hi all
 
Plop @JAL
 
@Gimby I'm suspicious of code-only answers. I grab portions of them and throw them at Google. Found almost a dozen in an hour yesterday.
 
@Rizier123 thats weird
 
@Gimby There was talk of developing a 'bot to do that. It would be helpful!
@JAL \o
 
JAL
hey mogs
 
1:38 PM
yo!
 
I'm going to have to answer a few posts, upvotes on my old answers don't keep up with my downvote rate
 
@Kyll as good a reason as any to go answer stuff I guess :p
 
Hi jal
 
I would mark that as spam because the answer is a tool recommendation, and doesn;t solve the problem with the programming language
 
sd f edited
@Ferrybig IMO it's VLQ, not Spam. Since sourceforge link, unlikely to be just promotion or an affiliation problem.
 
1:48 PM
Meta question about a closed question which is possibly closed for the wrong reasons. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/320158/… . IMO I don't see why it was closed myself, anyone else have an opinion on it?
 
@Gimby Reading
The room wasn't involved in the closure
Closed 3 years ago
 
I'm more interested in righting the wrong than assigning blame ;)
 
@Gimby With the amount of potential drama lying around you'd best get ready for the latter
 
I guess there weren't well-defined off-topic reasons back in 2013?
 
@Gimby I don't know Python, so would not vote on the question. However, it seems to lack an mcve, since the code is incomplete. (That reason was not broken out of "off topic" at the time.)
 
1:52 PM
Well there is a nice meta about it, so this room doesn't have to be involved in any case. Voice your opinion there if you like :)
 
Evil voice: The OP has just 405 rep... we could delete the question, then respond, "What question are you talking about?"
 
Guys this stackoverflow.com/a/36334932/4099593 ... Just NAA?
That is an invite to join a chat group
 
@BhargavRao Abusive, I think. (as in, an abuse of the system)
 
So the flag is unclear ...
 
Flagged rude
 
1:56 PM
Undo'd
 
Gone.
If you're lurking, Undo, we'd love to hear what the proper flag was.
 
Anything, because I have no idea what that even was.
3
 
Ian
@Undo starred. ;)
 
Well, we're always happy to making new friends!
 
@JonClements so you know, I sent an email to SE about my chat connection.
 
1:58 PM
Uh... gunr... pinging mods?
 
he asked me to, and I pinged him because I want to talk to him
 
@Mogsdad ROs have a derogation
 
2 days ago, by Jon Clements
@gunr2171 Consider it an intermittent issue - I've gone through stuff - there's no manually imposed/SO auto system stuff going on with your logins. If it still persists, let me know though and I'll escalate it
 
Bye, will bbl
 
plus, I'm not asking him to do anything
 

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