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12:01 AM
At this point, I just dive right in, maybe follow some basic tutorial to learn the syntax. From there, I just start working with it, looking up what I need as I go.
 
@Rizier123 I learn just-in-time during the course of a large (for a single person) project, not by following a prescribed course of study. Generally I look back at the code I've written if I need to recall something.
I've never "learned" Python, just cargo-culting in the process of working with the OpenTuner project and reading the Python docs as required. The result probably "isn't Pythonic" but is serviceable. Heck, Java's my primary language, but I don't use nearly as many patterns as most Java books will try to teach you -- and conversely I know a lot more about squeezing performance out of HotSpot than you'd learn from a book.
 
Maybe I'm a bit different here, but I always document stuff. Mainly because of 2 reasons: While documenting I learn how the stuff works, and second when I write it down and I forget something and I documented it, I know exactly where and how I wrote it down.
 
At least for the kinds of code I write, language syntax and semantics are the easy part; accurately expressing an algorithm in a compiler-optimizable way is much more difficult.
I write notes (and take whiteboard photographs) while I program, but I don't find them relevant to learning languages.
If you're the kind of developer who wrangles a stack of frameworks written by thirty different groups, you probably spend more time trying to make framework A's use of language feature X work well with framework B's use of language feature Y, I suppose.
 
Nah, I love if I write stuff my own.
 
I don't mean to disparage framework-wranglers; "buy don't build" is a good strategy for software development. It just isn't what I do.
 
12:16 AM
I love to build my own stuff, but re-invent the wheel, nah.
 
Rob
This kind of thing really annoys me about SO: stackoverflow.com/questions/36296969/…
The OP clearly has confused their terminology, so the best course of action is to poke fun, and then repeat the same comment once OP clearly shows they've mixed up the terminology
 
@Rob I don't mind the first comment -- if I were on the receiving end of that, it'd get me doing more research -- but repeating it after it didn't have the intended effect is unnecessary.
 
Rob
Right - first time still (to me) was a bit non-constructive, but the second one was completely unneeded
 
Yeah... people get really tired of low quality questions so they resort to snarkiness. Sadly, that doesn't help anything.
There should really be a warning when posting a question with the [stack-overflow] tag.
 
12:50 AM
Still needs one more delete vote: stackoverflow.com/a/36288601
 
@BrockAdams looks like you got two
 
How did that happened?
 
Yeah, looks like you got a tag-team from/with Alexander O'Mara?
Great minds think alike down to the millisecond. :D
 
1:20 AM
Looks like we hit a race condition.
 
1:58 AM
 
2:20 AM
@WaiHaLee I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
2:42 AM
Wai Ha Lee passed a audit!
 
2:56 AM
Ian has started reviewing!
Ian passed a audit!
@Tushar I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Plop!
 
3:16 AM
Ian passed a audit!
 
@SmokeDetector f edited
 
Ian reviewed 60 posts today (of which 3 were audits)! The time between Ian's first and last review today was 27 minutes and 57 seconds, averaging to a review every 27 seconds.
 
3:37 AM
Tushar passed an audit!
Tushar passed a audit!
Tushar passed an audit!
 
3:58 AM
@KevinGuan Again
 
@Tushar Oops, I thought that I didn't send [cv-pls] request of this one.
 
 
2 hours later…
Rob
5:48 AM
Bleh.. stackoverflow.com/posts/36300294/revisions cleared my NAA flag on this 'answer'
 
6:06 AM
@IͶΔ o_O?
This guy gets weirdly attached to phrases like "Beginner"
Also, morning everyone
 
@Magisch He just had a bad day.
@Magisch \o
 
Question by Jon Skeet
easiest audit ever
 
Rob
I got that one too
 
I was reading the starboard
I didn't actually get that audit
Im baffled as to why this guy inflects hostility from me
I really like the question process in stack overflow
 
Rob
And of course when people take time to explain things to them, they divert the question into something different (too much hostility) rather than defend their position of asking bad questions
 
6:18 AM
it forces me to think efficiently about a problem and most problems go away if you do that
 
o/ mind
 
abusive
 
Flag'd
 
6:40 AM
Morning
 
@Ferrybig o/
 
An error happened in UserTracking (cc @Sam)
0: The request timed out
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at SOCVRDotNet.User.ScrapeData () <0x41f719a0 + 0x0026b> in <filename unknown>:0
 
@SmokeDetector jay, I killed it!
 
@TheLostMind: It's starting to look like I answered a "What if I theoretically get serially downvoted" post on meta, eh?...
 
@Cerbrus - Ya either that or how can I serially down-vote someone and get away with it? :P
 
6:55 AM
@TheLostMind easy, two or three per day and keep it up for months :D
 
Oh, he's "not" asking about serial downvoting, just about one user downvoting everything he posts.
Now it all makes sense >.>
 
@Adriaan - 2 or 3 per day cannot be considered "too many" IMHO
@Cerbrus -
I never do that I just want to know if someone did this with me then will I get my reputation back or not – Vivek Mishra 7 mins ago
 
I've downvoted more than that from a single user on some days
@TheLostMind: It's all starting to make... no sense at all.
 
@TheLostMind there has been a meta post from someone who suspected he was being downvoted 2 times a day by the same user. As I remember it he was told that he either shouldn't care, or custom mod flag it, where a SE employee should look into it.
 
@Cerbrus - actually.. If you look at the OPs history, it does make sense :P (Sorry, can't tell you why)
 
7:00 AM
Tease :P
So, you're asking about one user serially downvoting everything. — Cerbrus 8 mins ago
yes that's what I am asking from start — Vivek Mishra 36 secs ago
*Facedesk*
 
Morning
> Maybe not "serial voting", but abuse. Blindly voting on a large scale like that is just... Silly.
 
7:16 AM
Morning
 
Morning
 
What if someone going through queues say 30 a day and downvotes at least half of them (where flags could be avoided)
When actually downvote is the proper thing to do, is that considered "mass downvoting" by that meta OP ?
 
I did notice once that every single question on the latest questions list received at least 1 downvote. Which is not to say some of them did not deserve it, but when I looked at them all, it seemed someone must have used up their downvotes indiscriminately downvoting every new question.
 
@AlexanderO'Mara Yep, I have noticed that as well, but it only happens on a day or two a week, and only lasts for some hours at max. Probably because the downvoters run out of their votes or so
 
I'd hazard that of my u/d votes in the last 30 days, at least 85% were downvotes
simply because I moderate and peruse queues a lot
and the posts in there are trash mostly
 
7:23 AM
See my question above :)
 
I don't think there is necessarily even anything wrong with someone only downvoting
 
Eric Lippert.
1 up, 1969 down.
 
There are also people who don't downvote anything
if anything, that's worse
 
well
thats a legit means of voting
if i only vote on trash, then I only downvote
as long as im not violating serial voting patterns, imo I should be fine doing this
 
I down vote quite a bit actually, because most of the posts tagged are homework questions or "gimme teh codez/do my thesis"
 
7:36 AM
@Adriaan "Solve my graded assignment"
I had a guy in a question once where I answered and he asked me to edit my answer to follow the coding conventions and naming conventions in the assignment he posted and then mail it to him and remove it from SO so he wouldn't get caught by plag
 
Hiya
 
That was hilarious
 
@Magisch happens in MATLAB as well. We've also had duplicate questions asked within minutes, commenting on both questions "Confer with your classmate, we're not doing your homework"
 
And then he insulted me via email when I wouldn't comply
"Why won't you help me?!" Im not your private coder and even if I was I wouldn't help you cheat on Uni assignments
 
Rob
7:41 AM
@Magisch I would have sent a subtly but utterly broken implementation. Perhaps breaks only after a certain date ;)
 
"I'm working on it, will send you the solution on your deadline day" (and then don't send it muahahaha)
 
I actually ratted someone out in uni once
He was paying a friend of mine to write his bachelors thesis for him
The friend of mine told me (I was in the same uni) and I told the dean
 
We usually do that, unless we get sniped by repwhores. "My deadline is Thursday!", kk, we'll answer you Friday
 
Hi! o/
 
Hello @user2314737
 
7:45 AM
@user2314737 Hi
 
@Tunaki @PetterFriberg hello
 
hey tuna
 
@Magisch ping him to de**th : )
 
As I've said before pinging tuna is like teasing a cat with a laser pointer
An angry french cat with RO powers
so perhaps not
 
He will just kick for 30 minutes.... not so bad.
 
7:52 AM
Morning. o/
 
@Lafexlos \o
 
@Lafexlos Morning
 
^ Someone willing to correct it?
 
If you think it can be salvaged, you should ask for it first ;)
 
@Tunaki Okie ;)
 
8:04 AM
Tuna has taken over this room
he is everywhere
7/10 starboard messages are tuna
 
@Magisch This is only the beginning.
 
@Magisch We already know why : ), and try to star something else and you will see what happens.....
Go Tuna, clean the stars : )
 
I for one welcome our new Tuna based overlord(s)
 
Hmmmm
 
8:12 AM
morning
@Magisch my flag on those robo-reviewers is still pending:/
it was you who found it, right?
 
lol:D
 
:D
 
I think that's a misspelling
raccoon dog is suspicious
 
Tunaki please change your avatar to a raccoon dog...
 
8:15 AM
If you can make look good and I like it. That's your task now I guess.
 
With red hand circles : )
 
Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sW has started reviewing!
 
@Tunaki you'll never hear the end of "do you know your name is mispelled?":P
@Tunaki media.mnn.com/assets/images/2016/01/… want me to crop that to a square?
 
adorabletanuki.jpg...
 
the NATO strike is doubly effective if they don't expect the unexpected:P
 
8:24 AM
Tanuki, Tunaki, whatever.
 
@AndrasDeak Start from this a French Lord Tunaki 36.media.tumblr.com/c107493fde07da1ba8236211c090dd15/…
 
@PetterFriberg lol:D
@kayess getting warmer
 
@Closey Why doesn't Closey inform@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW when she starts reviewing, but Closey does inform me?
 
@Ferrybig Sorry, I don't understand that. Did you mean stats?
 
8:26 AM
@Ferrybig She is not in room, thats why she is not pinged...
 
@PetterFriberg Lets hope I didn't ping her then, I forgot the space before the @, so mentioning shouldn't work, right?
 
or maybe she opted out
@Ferrybig it does
it pings, but won't highlight in chat
I've just seen this yesterday or the day before
 
@AndrasDeak No its because she is not in the room, if you scroll up you will find Sam telling that.
 
@AndrasDeak nah, if she opted out it wouldn't show up at all
 
@Adriaan what wouldn't show up?
 
8:30 AM
I wonder
If I give an answer
 
@AndrasDeak Closey wouldn't mention her at all if whe'd opted out
 
and that answer somehow leads to a company going under because someone either asked the wrong question or misused my code (implying I wrote it in good faith)
 
and does she do that?
 
Am I liable?
 
mention her?
@Magisch look at the licensing
 
8:31 AM
Does anyone know what happened to Drew's account lately?
 
CC vs MIT partly be this, I think
 
License terms dont override laws here
 
@kayess other than been suspended?
@Magisch ah
I'm pretty sure if misfortune arises from someone else using your code other than intended (which would be the case), no harm can come to you
 
it's as if you sued the microwave manufacturer after drying your dead cat in it...right? Right?
 
8:33 AM
dang, a full month
 
Meh. Was he on the roll again ? :\
 
AFIK: No, I think it was for previous comments
 
prolly went overboard teasing the shog
 
Teasing? Do you mean he used heavy words or ?
 
He was fairly rough in his comments to different mods.
 
8:36 AM
@kayess not words, attitude
his recent conversations with mods, those I've seen, were not too hard to see as somewhat hostile
frankly, I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner:/
 
probably fallout from this:
You asked us to remove stuff from the close vote review queue. Then you remove information that can help us do that. Then you (dare I suggest) attack me that this is not a question. Then I get a bluefeet message that is teetering on a ban. Maybe this is the way you want to treat your peeps. I would suggest otherwise — Drew Mar 25 at 15:37
 
he did get an explicit warning about bluefeet btw ^
 
@Magisch Lets say there where some comment later on that got deleted....
 
I don't air other people's dirty laundry so I'll leave it at that
 
So fast.
 
8:39 AM
24 seconds!
 
What happened to Drew?
Sorry I am totally out of context.
 
@Tunaki VLQ?
 
@PraveenKumar Apparently he was suspended
Plop!
 
@Kyll I could see that. But why?
Plop!
 
8:42 AM
Idk, does it mean something? The username sounds like troll.
 
Woah... I double clicked the chat window and glitters?
 
@PraveenKumar We can not know, its says to cool down... scroll up and you get the info we have...
 
@Tunaki Gone.
 
@Tunaki - Its abusive in hindi
 
8:43 AM
@TheLostMind oh
that's...odd?
 
Yet not so uncommon
 
Someone posted an expletive in hindi
 
That's what I figured. Thanks @TheLostMind
 
do Hindi skills come with mod powers?;)
 
He did mind the programming context though
 
8:44 AM
@AndrasDeak - I speak that language
 
@AndrasDeak The one he linked in the camp. room ?
 
see what I did there
:D
 
@kayess I can only assume, yes
 
Playing mindgames :D
 
yes we all did @Magisch
 
8:45 AM
@TheLostMind hey, that's cheating:P
 
@Tunaki - :)
 
I love making mind jokes when you're in here
 
I can only hope that none of the mods speak my language so I can swear to my heart's content:P
 
specifically focused puns or absurdities is the only way I can be funny
 
We're getting good at that.
 
8:46 AM
especially our mods:P
 
@Tunaki to good, I can't seem to get a flag in
 
That was a brutal sub 10 second destruction
 
It lived 30 seconds. Not counting the time it took Smokey to report it.
 
@AndrasDeak That was weird. Imho cm's were kinda overreactive when it comes to mods, like if they were child girls whom can't defend theirselves. But it's getting o/t here so let's move on.
 
@kayess yup
 
8:51 AM
Confetti
Why?
That's screwing up my browser.
 
What are you talking about @PraveenKumar? lol
 
Double click anywhere in the chat window.
You get glitter confettis.
 
I don't...
 
isn't that a userscript?
@PraveenKumar maybe only the fabulous ones do
 
Userscript confetti is loaded ... ?
 
8:53 AM
Seriously?
 
Hahaha
 
Lemme check
Oh yea!
 
Is it your birthday today? :)
 
it's like when Ms Yvette meta'd the audit userscript:D
 
8:53 AM
lol you just kumar'd yourself, congrats
 
But I didn't add the US.
 
lol
 
@AndrasDeak Hahaha yeah
@PraveenKumar Probably the Confetti US
 
<(?:"[^"]*"['"]*|'[^']*'['"]*|[^'">])+>
 
8:54 AM
<(?:"[^"]*"['"]*|'[^']*'['"]*|[^'">])+>
 
wat
 
ahh
 
how do I stop this
 
8:56 AM
Wow...
 
sorry, room owners
 
The die roller is an easter egg? That sounds like a feature.
 
Something happened...
 
Don't go spamming on testing all the easters eggs now please.
 
8:57 AM
:D
Last one Tuna?
 
Don't turn this room into the Ministry now =p
 
^ Nothing happened
 
silly eggs
 
Too many eggs now. (sorry @Shadow)
 
@Tunaki I am hungry. :D
 
9:01 AM
the easter egg crashed my FF
but it was fun
 
9:13 AM
Hi \o
i.stack.imgur.com/1f8KD.png <-- Users in SOCVR At the moment
 
Hiya o/ (I can't see your image, blocked)
 
Ohai from one of those circles! o/
 
Makes sense considering its 11am for europeans
 
Dropped in to say that I've got exams till Sat ... So I will be slacking till Fri. :-(
 
You have exams on a Saturday?
 
9:15 AM
Yeah, Thu, Fri and Sat
 
@BhargavRao Noice, how did you get that?
 
Why would you sit an exam on a saturday
thats ridiculous
 
@Magisch They have given Wed as holiday. Else it would have been Wed, Thu, Fri
 
@BhargavRao the hate is strong with Europe
 
@AndrasDeak Lol. You can try with MATLAB room :)
Anyway, gotta study. Bye all \o
 
9:20 AM
o/
 
@BhargavRao Europe FTW!
 
@BhargavRao I can't, that thing is R:P
break a leg:)
but not like Magisch
 
@BhargavRao Dang, we really should based all our servers in Europe then! cc @gunr =p
 
@BhargavRao LoL
@Kyll UK it is.
 
@PraveenKumar Get that down a few hundred kilometers =p
 
9:23 AM
@Kyll Gulf of Biscayne? Seems a bit wet a place for computers
 
It's perfect for me.
 
Tbh I get near perfect pings to nearly everywhere
Im 2km from the frankfurt internet hub
 
@Tunaki I presume you don't short circuit when coming in contact with water?
 
Hello, fellow US daysleepers (assuming you're still awake and not just idle).
 
@Magisch I seem to be practically on top of the trans atlantic cable surfacing here
 
9:25 AM
oop I forgot Jeffrey when I kicked them all
 
^- misses s
 
@kayess you don't pronounce the "s" at end of words in when you're French
 
@kayess Nah, Tuna's so obsessed with Java he uses Object-Oriented-Programming as an interjection
 
LOL @Kyll
 
@AndrasDeak You do for "oups", which is the French "oops" =p
 
9:28 AM
On the internet nobody knows you're secretly a cat, @tuna
Or a function, @Kyll
 
Plop!
 
Plop Kevin!
 
Hiya
 
@kayess - First one is too broad :)
 
Ha... That's been Lost'd
 
9:34 AM
@PraveenKumar Lobotomized!
 
@Kyll Means?
 
Every mod gets a verb
my favorite one is Larsoned
 
@PraveenKumar Losing mind -> Lobotomy, practice of removing parts of one's brain
 
@Kyll :D :D
 
Do we have something like "approve pls" for SE's?
Because I feel like this is going to get robo rejected although its a decent edit
 
9:44 AM
I'd reject that edit
 
@Magisch I'd reject as going against author intent.
The right way of handling this would be via a comment or a whole new answer, preferably while ninja'ing David ---v
 
Add another answer or a comment
 
I feel like thats a decent edit
 
The link being edited in just points to the answer itself?
 
IIRC updating outdated answers (that are no longer correct) is preferable to just posting new ones
could be that im wrong though
part of why I brought it up
 
9:46 AM
If it was really a PHP update, then it's a version-dependent thing. That should just be a "In version X.Y, you now have to..." comment.
 
It's not updating an outdated answer
it's fixing a feature that was used incorrectly
the third parameter is the message, but you can put it in the header. the author of the answer used the function wrong
 
Then why is it adding "following the recent php update mentioned here" as a code comment?
 
I don't know, the link it references is the answer it's an edit of
 
Even more reason to reject it!
 
Lost'd
 
9:57 AM
I wonder how long it will take before the next paranoid person with nothing better do to concerned user starts a meta carfuffle over that questions posted here get disposed
 
we need a doomsday counter, or when a meta post is made with "SOCVR" in the body, a nuke sound in here is played
 
I was thinking the same (or related thought really). Should those questions really be deleted? The Roomba should kill them anyway and we are encouraged to not waste delete votes on posts like that.
 
Rob
Going through the NATO queue.. every bad answer I find, @tunaki has already commented on :|
 

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