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JAL
8:00 PM
My professor was cruel, he tested with the hardest examples:
Horrible Example:
CL-USER 26 > (match '(((((* ?x * (* ((* ?y * ?) (?z b)) (* ?u)) ? g *)))) * ?v ? t) '(((((8 x (z ((y x z f g) (z b)) (a b u)) g g)))) v t t))
My Output: NIL
Expected output: (((?V V) (?U U) (?Z Z) (?Y F) (?X X)) ((?V V) (?U U) (?Z Z) (?Y Z) (?X X)) ((?V V) (?U U) (?Z Z) (?Y X) (?X X)) ((?V V) (?U U) (?Z Z) (?Y Y) (?X X)) ((?V V) (?U U) (?Z Z) (?Y F) (?X 8)) ((?V V) (?U U) (?Z Z) (?Y Z) (?X 8)) ((?V V) (?U U) (?Z Z) (?Y X) (?X 8)) ((?V V) (?U U) (?Z Z) (?Y Y) (?X 8)))
 
those parentheses
 
JAL
yes
 
buargh
 
@gunr2171 Installing Factorio
 
8:01 PM
@gunr2171 related
 
@JAL they presumably had faith that you could do it and wanted to broaden your mind :)
 
@Tunaki Unrolled, for the complete lack of edit summary alone.
 
JAL
@AndrasDeak That's a great example of a question that would so not fly today
@JonClements I got a near perfect on the assignment, I just failed horrible cases like that
 
If you learnt from it though - I'd say they were doing their job perfectly
 
@AndrasDeak yep, sounds about right
 
8:03 PM
@JAL yup
 
JAL
@JonClements I learned a lot in that class. We had to build gomoku solvers and compete against other students in a tournament. I also learned not to host my code publicly on github before turning in an assignment. Someone in the class found my code, stripped my comments, and submitted it as their own!
I had to show the commit log to my professor so he could verify that the code was mine. At least having version control saved my academic record
 
@JAL when I was leading a small team (only about 50) - I use to make sure the junior programmers got tasks that I knew they wouldn't be able to complete - so they'd learn and I could see how they get on with them
 
JAL
> small team
> 50
That's very smart though.
 
50 isn't a small team yeah. It's a huge big team for me :D
 
(ie: do they struggle on and bite their tongue, or do they ask for help, do they come with research etc...)
 
JAL
8:07 PM
I work with 2 other engineers lol
 
@JAL What happened to the plagiarizer? Just desserts?
 
JAL
Yes, that's the way I like to work. To be constantly challenged
@mech I think she ended up failing the class. The worst part was that I had two other classes with her...
 
For my pet-projects, I'm using less and less GitHub but prefer BitBucket: it is free and private
 
@JAL I know one young programmer - I could tell he was remarkably talented... so I just gave him a project and see how he'd react - I did it the same evening to make sure it'd go through and the company I was working for at the time didn't get into hassle...
 
JAL
@JonClements smart!
 
8:11 PM
@JonClements turns out that person was Jon Skeet
2
 
JAL
@Tunaki I ended up just paying for a paid github account for some private repos. I host someone's website code on there and I just make him pay
 
@JAL Ouch. There were 1-2 plagiarizers in my classes, but they were essentially walked off the plank by our professors and had to drop the major
 
He sat on it for about two days - no communication - although I can see he was doing his best - I knew that
So when the job was due, I asked if it was ready - he "came clean" - panicked somewhat... explained why... I explained that programming isn't just about the code it's about the work required that you're doing it for and that communication is key... and that I'd already sent the job out anyway :p
 
@JonClements wonder who was on the guy's darts board for a week
 
I never, ever, ever want to work for you =D
 
JAL
8:13 PM
@JonClements Well you definitely taught that engineer a valuable part of programming
 
@JAL never trust your boss?
 
Communication is key. I couldn't agree more. This is just random word so that JAL can make a nice arrow pointing to it
 
@TinyGiant Yeah... rewrite it in a real programming language. Hides behind tree.
 
JAL
@Tunaki this
lol
 
8:14 PM
@Kyll I was a great boss (might be biased though) :p
 
JAL
I'd work for you!
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Like JavaScript? hides behind another tree
 
JAL
guys
php
duh
 
Evening
 
o/
 
8:15 PM
@kayess hey
 
@TimCastelijns you around ?
 
o7
 
@JAL tee hee
 
Heya @Tun @Andr
 
user4639281
@JAL What, I suggest the best programming language and you suggest the worst, is that the game we're playing?
 
8:15 PM
@kayess how generous of you
 
@Mogsdad \o
 
4 characters:D
 
@kayess Yo!
 
one of the ~two people who can actually spell my name:P
 
@TinyGiant If you were going for best, JavaScript is an awful way to misspell Python
 
user4639281
8:16 PM
@mech Python isn't a language.
 
Anyone with suggestions to help this OP stackoverflow.com/questions/35636802/… ?
 
user4639281
Python is just nonsense masquerading as a language
 
user4639281
runs away
 
eyetwitch
 
@Tunaki 128 is all yours.
 
8:17 PM
@kayess Not sure it's on-topic on SO.
 
@Tunaki Room wise ?
 
Perhaps better at Programmers.SE.
 
Well, it's getting unclear to me, see comments of OP, I'm not not really sure what he wanted, but hey.
 
@AndrasDeak How hard is it to spell Sandra Deka! :p
 
dunno, Noj:P
 
8:26 PM
I can live with Noj... makes me sound like a Ferengi though :p
 
@Tunaki did Jon answer your question? : )
 
you do seem to have big ears
 
8 hours ago, by Jon Clements
@Tunaki at the moment - I'm thinking along the same lines as ChrisF - but I'll read up more on it at some point
 
@AndrasDeak umm... "all the better to hear you with?" :p
 
ops AndrasDeak got kicked why?
 
8:28 PM
I'm not a dog treat!
@PetterFriberg I did?
 
@PetterFriberg did he?
 
oh, was it a vision?
 
You're not @AndrasDeak. You're a fake. I know it.
 
A kick so huge that it travelled back in time acausally...
 
8:29 PM
He is probably just a ricktroll version of the real @AndrasDeak
 
@PetterFriberg humorous - but it worries people - probably best to avoid that sort of humour :p
 
hey @JonClements
 
There was a joke? Okay, I need a coffee :)
 
Well I'm a nice guy normally I don't worry people specially @AndrasDeak ... but true you should always watch out... Thanks for notice
 
@JonClements are there any GUI or SEDE where we could see if we had any chat offense (kick,flags or any sort) ?
 
8:32 PM
This was nuked
 
@kayess I don't think that would be in the sede as that is personal information.
 
@NathanOliver Alright. Then I guess the answer is an easy nope :)
 
@kayess the information is there - it's just not accessible except by a mod I'm afraid
 
@JonClements Okay thanks!
 
@kayess any reason you ask?
 
8:34 PM
@JonClements Just curious:)
 
@kayess You know what curiosity does?
 
JAL
Hey Jon did you have a chance to look at my meta post about the H&I queue I mentioned earlier? Is this something that the mods know about, or do I need to wait for a response from a SO employee?
 
@NathanOliver In here? I'm all ears :P
 
@kayess It kills cats of course.
 
@NathanOliver It doesn't kill kittens though.
 
8:38 PM
@NathanOliver That won't make ninja-cats any sad I guess :)
 
@Tunaki so...kittens don't get smitten?
 
Nope. Just cats. Hopefully they are terminally ill.
 
@EjazAhmed kittens
 
@JAL I'm not sure what's happening with it, but the team are aware of it... not much I can say that'd be constructive I'm afraid
 
kittens > cats
 
JAL
8:39 PM
Thanks, all I needed to know.
 
@Tunaki Depends on the sauce
 
@Tunaki kittehs > kittens > cats, and all cats are kittehs.
 
@mech I wonder if that's contravariant.
Okay I'm catapulting to bed.
G'Nite!
 
@JAL That kittens > cats? Well of course, that's the primary information to know.
 
JAL
Jon > all
The worst thing to see in code:
// TODO: handle error
 
8:43 PM
But All contains Jon. So Jon > Jon. Hence Jon doesn't exist.
 
Because Jon Skeet is capable of such "impossibilities"
 
@kayess night
 
JAL
Q.E.D.
 
@JAL // FIXME: Remember to fix the critical edge case we discussed earlier (23.10.2014)
 
JAL
ugh that's horrible
// WARNING: Corrected the bug shown here. This might completely change the way this works. MUST TEST!
 
8:48 PM
// TODO: tofix
 
JAL
lol
 
// commit: did stuff
 
//TODO: remove this
 
@JonClements In case you're still here... he's back. stackoverflow.com/a/35638040/1677912
 
8:54 PM
@Mogsdad wonder if NAA will work
 
@AndrasDeak Looks like spam did it.
 
quick delete to the rescue
 
(I flagged vlq before noticing that it was a repeated answer.)
 
@Mogsdad oh, I missed that too:(
or was the original deleted?
yeah, must have
 
The original was deleted by Jon, that's why I pinged him. The latest was deleted by Brad.
 
8:56 PM
I see:) Thanks
 
@WaiHaLee OP's asking for "method or code" - that's not a request of off-site resources.
 
@MartinJames This guy on meta has some serious nerve
 
user4639281
Alright, who wants an improved NATO?
 
@TinyGiant MEMEMEME!
 
He thinks because facebook hopes that they can farm out their support to us we should treat him like a valued customer. Lol
@TinyGiant still needs 10k right?
 
@TinyGiant MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME
 
user4639281
@Magisch Yup
 
@Magisch I know. I was out shopping when he posted, so I didn't really get a chance to sink my teeth into him:(
 
@TinyGiant Took you long enough. I figured we'd have it a day after you hit 10K!
 
9:04 PM
@MartinJames Guy has some nerve
 
okay, what does it do?
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad But, see, I got a job....
 
I wonder where he got so entitled
 
JAL
@TinyGiant new incentive to get to 10k
 
user4639281
@Tunaki try it out
 
9:04 PM
@Mogsdad hmm - okay. I read it as 'what tool can I use'. I've retracted my vote - thanks for the feedback.
 
"This multimillion user QA site must bend to MY needs, because .... reasons!"
 
user4639281
It's fairly self explanatory.
 
Hmm GreaseMonkey doesn't detect it as a userscript
 
user4639281
It adds context, and removes limitations.
 
@WaiHaLee @TinyGiant Can you delete the cv-pls request for that?
 
user4639281
9:05 PM
..... it should......
 
@Tunaki It did for me.
 
Bug #1: it doesn't
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Gotta ask an active RO, I got yelled at before.
 
user4639281
@Tunaki did you go to the raw link?
 
Yep
Okay found it http instead of https for the raw URL
 
9:07 PM
1 message moved to Trash
 
user4639281
ahhh
 
Bug #1: Closed, can't reproduce.
 
user4639281
lol
 
user4639281
Yuh see, it... uhh, err, does things... with... magic.
 
@Mogsdad Thanks - we're aware of it :)
 
9:08 PM
Hmmmmmmm doesn't do anything. Another https problem maybe...
 
user4639281
.... errors in the console? I'm using https
 
@JonClements Saw that. Cheers!
 
user4639281
It should do a lot of funky things....
 
user4639281
mind you, I haven't tested it on firefox, but it should work
 
I'm with Tunaki on this - it doesn't appear to do anything in FF. No errors in console.
 
user4639281
9:10 PM
errr....
 
user4639281
hold on
 
Jeopardy Theme...
 
Bug #2: no errors, nothing happens
 
@Tunaki hey, no errors!:)
 
@Magisch Meh - some store owner, too tight to buy a decent support-level from FB. Stuff 'em.
 
9:12 PM
Guys... Did I miss something?
what's that meta post?
Link plz.
 
Looks like the script isn't loaded at all by FF.
 
@MartinJames Thanks. You can remove it or un-onebox it.
 
@TinyGiant funcs.getPosts() not getting invoked...
 
user4639281
Ahhh, I blame firefox.
 
The problem is the include URL, debugging
 
9:16 PM
@Tunaki No - The script starts to run. I wonder if FF is choking on some new JS syntax?
 
Later guys
 
@kayess yes i am
 
Bye
 
@TinyGiant It dies here:
StackExchange.using("inlineEditing", function () {
StackExchange.inlineEditing.init();
});
 
@MartinJames Not sure. But his questions are utter tosh
I didn't vote on them for sake of no targeting, but damn
 
9:18 PM
(Based on highly scientific use of console.log() statements...)
 
not spam
 
@Magisch I only looked at the two FB support ones, DCV both, did not bother with the others.
 
sd remove- that's a troll.
 
@MartinJames I looked at like 10 of them
and they are all garbage
I didn't DV any single one
 
@Magisch Oh - all crap then:)
 
9:20 PM
@Mogsdad How do you debut that thing? Firebug doesn't detect the script.
 
They manage that on their own, no need to throw some of my votes at it
 
pp_
@Magisch What would have been the right flag for this?
 
@Tunaki Like I said... just console.log().
 
@pp_ Abusive/VLQ
Not spam
Abusive is the quick Mini-nuke
 
pp_
VLQ was not available.
 
user4639281
9:22 PM
Why does FireFox have to be a b****?
 
@MartinJames Not that that was surprising to me
 
user4639281
It totally helps to not output any errors
 
How high do you think the chance is that someone who sees us as his personal customer support workers would bother reading the "How to ask" page?
 
user4639281
No one reads the how to ask page. Seriously? I know of users with > 3k that haven't read that page.
 
@TinyGiant I was very nervous before I posted my first answer and read all the help center links a couple times :(
 
9:27 PM
@Magisch same for me.
 
@Tunaki now yep :)
 
I read the how to ask page before I asked my first question...I'm still better at answering questions than asking them.
 
hi all
 
Hey o/
 
@TinyGiant But she's a Foxy b****...
 
9:28 PM
@rayryeng are you around
 
yo
 
@TinyGiant Can confirm was Mogs is saying. StackExchange.using makes the script dies.
 
user4639281
I just do my best not to ask questions, because I can usually answer them myself with enough research.
 
hey @TinyGiant, when am I getting my colored userscript?
:P
 
user4639281
@Tunaki I know I know, it's because GreaseMonkey actually enforces the window !== unsafeWindow thing.
 
9:29 PM
@A.DiMatteo Have you seen that Q? stackoverflow.com/q/35630476/1743880. Made an answer but I can't help this feeling that it has been done before, but I can't find anything
 
user4639281
I can fix that but it fails elsewhere, which means I'm going to have to make some hacky crap.
 
Between the few questions 've asked, there were about 200 more that I wanted to ask but where I found the solution while composing the question
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 You were supposed to write me something to get the primary color from the image
 
@Tunaki the closer thing I could find was this but it doesn't really answer it
 
@TinyGiant hum, I tried a few things, running into problems with cross-origin
 
user4639281
9:30 PM
JavaScript would require the use of canvas, and would be very process intensive.
 
user4639281
cross-origin doesn't bother me.
 
@A.DiMatteo Yup... I was looking also at project-info-reports:dependency-management but it doesn't output transitive dependencies
 
user4639281
Just write me something that I can pass the url of the image and it will respond with a color code, or find me something
 
user4639281
Fine then, I'll use that
 
9:33 PM
@ryanyuyu can you check out a batch in Campaigns for
 
> (details in the description)
NO NO NO NO NO
 
JAL
also adds the bad xcode tag, i already edited it
 
@ryanyuyu sorry wrong guy
@rayryeng are you around ?
 
oh, it undoes all of your edits
 
@Tunaki btw today I really needed this, open since 2012, I will have to work out another solution then
 
user4639281
9:42 PM
@Tunaki @Mogsdad should be fixed
 
user4639281
Remove the old one, this is a different name
 
Can you still regularly buy StackOverflow jerseys btw?
 
@A.DiMatteo I'll take a look at it later this week :)
 
@Magisch I didn't think there was any official SO merchandise
 
@TinyGiant Not installing THAT
 
user4639281
9:43 PM
There used to be an SO store, it's gone now.
 
I've seen some people with SO Jerseys
 
> NATOEnhancements-FireFoxBullshitHack.user.js
 
I want one
several, rather
 
@TinyGiant Nice name! Needs "TM".
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad lol
 
9:43 PM
It's supposed to be "Firefox" not "FireFox"
:p
 
Cool. Even more to read. :-|
 
I wonder if SE would frown on me handprinting the SO logo onto a jersey
my coworker has a mug
 
user4639281
@Tunaki is it?
 
@TinyGiant Pretty sure: mozilla.org/fr/firefox/new
Argh in French but you get the picture
 
@Tunaki ahaha that would be nice! I'll create a question on SO then (my first one!), actually there is already this one, which brought me to the jira ticket. I will probably go for a groovy script integrated into jenkins, but I was really looking for a more maven way (I could configure the plugin in the parent pom but - again - that would mean touching the project pom)
 
9:46 PM
@Tiny Here's what I'd like, for my pathological use case. I want to be able to open X pages of NATO posts at one time. I often open all 25 as quickly as I can, but since that involves scrolling to the bottom of every second page it's a PITA.
 
@A.DiMatteo I'll update the SO question if I can find an answer :)
 
user4639281
 
today a developer from my team sent me an email with just a stacktrace, nothing else, no subject, no text, just the damn Java stacktrace, then via chat "I've an issue, I'm blocked", for a moment the only thing I had in mind was "where are you, where are you dear downvote button?", we should have a SO integration on MS Outlook indeed
 
hehe, first respond: "Hum What did you do??"
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad So.... wait you want to be able to open them all in one click?
 
9:48 PM
Bug #3 Critical: I don't like the yellow.
 
@A.DiMatteo "I've an issue" "Alright, file a complete bug report according to procedure and we can talk"
 
But Damn Tiny, the script is awesome
 
@TinyGiant That's right. Lots of VLQ posts are still open 3+ hours after they were written, so I'm the zamboni for them.
@Tunaki True 'dat.
 
user4639281
@Tunaki It's my yellow, and red is taken
 
@TinyGiant Could have used SO orange. There's never enough orange around this place...
 
9:50 PM
I can even add auto-comments from there.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Like paul's script for chat?
 
user4639281
@Tunaki nice... unintentional, but nice
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad What's the color code then :P
 
@TinyGiant Um, almost. Not to open posts, but to open additional pages, e.g. stackoverflow.com/tools/new-answers-old-questions?page=25
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Ohhhh
 
9:51 PM
@TinyGiant Even just moving the nav to the top would be an improvement, imho.
 
The fact that you see the question AND the answer is awesome.
 
user4639281
So you want a little input box so you can type in the number of pages, hit enter or click submit, and have it open that many?
 
user4639281
@Tunaki inorite?
 
@TinyGiant TINY FTW!
 
user4639281
And the fact that they are accepted or not
 
9:52 PM
Yup
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad does that mean yes?
 
@TinyGiant Unequivocally.
 
user4639281
Also being able to vote on them, edit, flag, etc.
 
But the yellow.................
 
@TinyGiant Where's cv-pls?
 
9:53 PM
^ that
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad I have to finish modifrying that script so it will work everywhere.
 
user4639281
@Tunaki I'm still waiting for a suggested color code.
 
user4639281
I only added the yellow so that people wouldn't be confused by the question now being there.
 
user4639281
Thinking "Hey! That answer is a question!"
 
@TinyGiant #ff7b18 seems a bit dark. (Same as the buttons here --->)
 
user4639281
9:57 PM
I add a bit of alpha anyway
 
Magisch wants to make Tshirts. Meta.
 
What about #fbf2d9 it's the color of your messages in chat
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Apparently the name of that color is "pumpkin"
 
Mmm... Pumpkin Waffles.
How about a "next answer" button next to answers, now that they are separated by questions?
 
So Tiny spent countless hours writing a script for NATO fanatic that's awesome and we're discussing the color of the answers.
 
user4639281
9:59 PM
@Tunaki IDk, I kinda like the orange better, what do you think mogs?
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad like a link to go to the next answer, skipping the question?
 
@TinyGiant Haven't seen it... and I was half-joking about it. But check this: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/22490/…
 
user4639281
Yeah, I like that.
 
user4639281
Make it a bit translucent, good to go
 
@Magisch how about SO diapers. For personal use?
 
10:02 PM
Translucent SO diapers? Nah, I'd rather have a mug. Or a hand-lettered t-shirt.
Gotta run - ttfn!
 
@Drew yes on mobile though. How may I help?
Is there more to close in MATLAB?
 
@rayryeng we have 2 matlab batches
 
@BhargavRao You will want to test this script: github.com/Tiny-Giant/myuserscripts, there's a NATOEnhancements.user.js (and a special one for Firefox). It makes wonders.
 
Give me the links. I'll close when I'm in front of a computer.
That should be within 20 minutes time.
 
10:04 PM
ok I will ping ya
 
Thanks @Drew
 
@rayryeng I posted a link over in octave. But there are 2 batches now
 
user4639281
@Tuna @Mogs colors updated
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
@Mogs I'll work on your page opener in a bit
 
10:08 PM
@TinyGiant Does the Firefox one not work on Chrome?
 
pp_
not so sure anymore
It's actually not about Python at all
there is probably a better dupe target
 
Out of curiosity what should be learned from Admiral Hopper? meta.stackoverflow.com/a/317531/5292302
 
This is not freaking painful to read.
 
Are we supposed to be impressed by that "language"?
 
Apparently it's about making English with sixteen character
It just looks like someone trying to talk with an abnormally enormous tongue
 
10:20 PM
It seems strange to use the wrong letters for abbreviations just to use fewer letters.
 
@Kyll as if language was designed to make people understand each other...
Oh I get it, double U, get it? DOUBLE U!
 
I'm updating Git. Please wish me luck.
 
Don't forget to turn off the sentient module. He keeps trying to tell you that you're not using Git properly and makes weird ASCII art about graphs of whatever.
 
I have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't use the GUI.
 
user4639281
@Tunaki It does, but it's a stupid hack
 
user4639281
10:30 PM
People should just learn to use chrome... grmbl grmbl grmbl
 
Yay I was able to update my old fork of Tiny's repo \o/
 
I wonder if ES7 will be finalized by June as promisd
 
What I like the most about GitHub pages is that they fail on the first command
$ git fetch upstream
fatal: 'upstream' does not appear to be a git repository
 
They did say to configure a remote
RTFM? =p
 
if you read too quick
 
user4639281
10:42 PM
@Tunaki You forked my repo?
 
Yeah I made a couple of PR of the spam reporter script
 
user4639281
Ahh, didn't even notice
 
You accepted them without noticing? Nice.
 
user4639281
Oh, that must have been a while ago
 
@TinyGiant Ah, indeed one month for the latest github.com/Tiny-Giant/myuserscripts/pull/5
That's some serious change he?
 

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