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3:05 PM
If you listen, I would suggest you to: 1. Format your question to the specific problem including the right parts. 2. Delete this question. 3. Create a new question with the right format. :)Praveen Kumar 2 mins ago
^ Is this a good or a bad advice?
 
I don't think the "if you listen" is particularly friendly
 
we would rather they fix up their question to not be terrible
having deleted questions counts towards the question ban, so i dont think that seems like it is "better" for them
 
@cimmanon If the OP themselves delete the question, will there be a ban?
@TylerH Ah!
 
pretty sure, yeah
 
@cimmanon OMG!
 
3:08 PM
1 question isnt enough to get you banned, but they add up if you keep doing it
 
@cimmanon It contributes. That's bad. :(
 
Question ban heuristics do count deleted downvoted questions against you heavily
 
@Magisch do you think there's a reasonable way to bring back a heavily downvoted question after rewriting?
I just find it highly improbable
 
@AndrasDeak sure, improve it, and then let it get some more attention
 
JAL
Ugh, I flagged someone's question as a duplicate and they downvoted my answer on that dupe target. Now I can't use it as a dupe target anymore...
 
3:10 PM
It can get upvoted to counter the DVs and the downvoters can reverse their downvoting
@JAL link?
 
YAY I'm a Maven silver badge holder \o/ stackoverflow.com/help/badges/1879/maven?userid=1743880
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@JAL I dont know enough about whats discussed there to know wether or not thats a reasonable dupe
 
JAL
Wow, 15th to the maven silver badge
congrats @Tunaki!
 
@Mogsdad Thats a voting ring scam
notice how the accepted answerer is suspended for voting irregularities
 
3:13 PM
@JAL That's now 2 votes! :P
 
Off to get the gold now!
 
JAL
Gee thanks guys
Think I have you beat with my youtube bronze badge though @Tunaki, I was the 5th to earn it. stackoverflow.com/help/badges/2424/youtube
:P
Wonder what the rarest badges on SO are
 
@JAL Jon skeet has a bunch of gold and silver badges for niche tags where he is the only holder for them
 
@Magisch Answer was accepted in 2009, so while the account is suspended, it's unlikely this answer had anything to do with it.
 
JAL
Jon Skeet has a gold badge in generics. That's... generic
 
3:17 PM
@JAL Illuminator is fairly rare
 
JAL
@JonClements Oh yeah, but that's a fairly new badge
 
@JonClements Note the 2nd last user that got it :p
 
@JAL there's also Sheriff - that's quite a challenge :p
 
JAL
haha
 
@JonClements I don't count those, they are unobtainable for the vast majority of users
 
3:20 PM
It seems to me if we close and eventually delete typo questions, then typo answers should also be deleted. Like this one here: stackoverflow.com/a/35629536/1906307
 
@Louis agree, voted to del
 
@Louis gone
 
@Tunaki Deleted...
@Louis Deleted...
 
Thanks, everyone.
 
@PraveenKumar Deleted...
 
3:21 PM
@Tunaki Deleted...
 
@Ferrybig Deleted...
 
@Ferrybig Deleted...
 
What do you know? It was deleted.
 
Magic.
 
@mech @Magisch!
 
3:23 PM
Where's Tiny these days?
 
@Magisch confirmed for wizard and/or witch
 
@JonClements Busy
 
JAL
@JonClements while you're here, any idea what's going on with this? meta.stackoverflow.com/q/317280/2415822
 
@JAL give him a nice cup of tea, it helps
 
and dog snacks
Tuna, NATO is too painful. I don't know how you do it.
 
3:26 PM
@JonClements I will be old and grey by the time I answer enough questions to get that badge :-/
 
JAL
with all the tea and snacks you could imagine
and dog toys
 
Don't forget the cherry on top.
 
23 people had earned Illuminator the moment it was implemented. Since then another 22 people have earned it... nearly double. Badges really do influence behavior
 
If you want it, edit the question you answer. Or don't answer.
 
3:28 PM
Yeah I like that guy
 
@Drew Great. Do it na...
 
I can tell him I traveled extensively thru Turkey
 
at this rate it actually will take me 18 more years to get Illuminator
 
@TylerH I will never get it. LoL.
 
It would take me 42 years, but I haven't been around nearly as long as you have. Even with that considered, you are about 25 years ahead of me. Boy, I need to get to work.
 
3:33 PM
where do these crazy brackets come from?
 
sd remove- edited
@AndrasDeak ASCII!
 
No, they are Unicode
 
@Drew He's chinese, so using chinese chars... LoL.
@Ferrybig Er... ASCII != Unicode?
 
@PraveenKumar How can I help you?
 
@PraveenKumar even ascii brackets shouldn't be there:/
 
3:34 PM
He is Chinese. So he is smarter than me and knows better
 
@SonerGönül Hi... Welcome! :)
Most of us have noticed you have been doing good by cleaning useless and Low Quality posts... :)
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I believe if you are with us, you can give us a helping hand... :)
@Drew @SonerGönül is here... :D
@Drew Finish the recruitment formalities... :P
 
@PraveenKumar I can do my best
 
Great. I guess Praveen and many of us are equally impressed.
 
@Drew I guess I deleted it too. LoL.
 
Honestly this is almost my first time to using Chat.SO
 
3:37 PM
Don't blame me, my recruiting skills are yuck! :)
 
Exacttly.
 
@SonerGönül It's just like another chat.
@SonerGönül Man!!! Be on my side. :P
 
Ah, drew edited his comment. :((
 
This is delete-worthy. But it is spam? stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/11390272
 
I wish your MSO rep was still different from your SO rep
 
3:39 PM
@SonerGönül Several of us do batches of java and c# cleanup in another room. So there is that too. Sort of the tail end of "let's do the deed"
 
@ryanyuyu no it should be edited
I'm editing it
 
@Drew Hmm, I see.
 
Let's Do the Deed = Why is the ball left at mid field.
 
@TylerH You mean like this answer
 
@SonerGönül Also. There are a lots of bots here...
Eg:
!!/coffee
 
3:40 PM
@TylerH Ok thanks for the clarification.
 
@PraveenKumar brews coffee for @PraveenKumar
 
So is this the procees in here? Someone drops a link from an answer, question or comment and we review or closing it?
 
Yay! :)
 
ugh
post was deleted while I was editing it
rude
 
@SonerGönül There's this bot, SmokeDetector - She'll tell us all the yucky posts, dirtying StackOverflow... :D
So that we can put on our del-v or cvs...
 
3:41 PM
Sure would be nice to have an edit lock
 
@SonerGönül github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/SOCVR-RoomInformation That should explain some things :) (P.S. I always appreciate your last delete vote on bad questions :) You probably use the 10k tools to find those)
 
@SonerGönül over in Campaigns it is not uncommon for us to do 60 plus closings in the course of a few hours in c# and java.
 
@Rizier123 Thanks for the link. I read it tonight. Yes, I usually use 10k tools for that and sometime they found me :)
 
@Drew I thought the limit per day was 50?
 
ok we do 100 some days
 
3:44 PM
@Drew 100 > 50! 60 > 50!
 
I said we
 
Go home @Drew, you are drunk math failed like me me, I am going home! My CPU is overheated. :D
 
Hello @SonerGönül o/
 
@SonerGönül welcome \o
 
@SonerGönül Hiya! -- And sometimes we get this kind of trains... :D
 
3:45 PM
@SonerGönül welcome \o
 
he's been here for an hour already
 
Hooray, thanks guys :)
 
:28965696 Hiya!
 
@TylerH I am trying my Engineering skills to create train! And you ruined it! :(
 
better late then never...
 
3:46 PM
@TylerH You have to give our brains some time you know.
 
@Tuna smokey is not providing us with fun today..... maybe I will post one...
 
@Tunaki I give your brains plenty of time. It's your trains I have no time for.
:-)
 
@Miki You might want to tag your review request with [tag:cv-pls]. It helps to keep things organized around here. I'm refering you to the FAQ.
 
@Ferrybig Way broad. Voted.
 
3:48 PM
@Mogsdad Oh nice!Thanks.
 
Thanks @Tunaki
 
Awesome :D
 
That actually looks like something now instead of NAA link only. lol
 
@Miki aren't you hungarian by coincidence?:)
 
@kayess the mafia is gathering
or the martians
 
3:51 PM
@Tunaki Voted.
 
Trying to hammer... but its going slow... and Tuna can not lend his....
 
@Mogsdad should this question be closed
 
@kayess no, italian ;D
 
@AndrasDeak Martians of '56 ?:\
 
Read: "but i am still getting" <-- question I edited it so that the VLQRQ do not mess it up
 
3:53 PM
@TylerH Improved maybe, but the answers seem useful. (I'm not expert on the tech.)
 
Thank you guys!
 
@Tunaki Voted this
@Ferrybig Voted the first one
 
@SonerGönül BTW, just a little reminder from room's general expectations, " 5 - Do not post feedback on success (or failure) of a cv-pls request. (I.e., no "boom"ing.)"
 
@SonerGönül Thanks :D
 
Of course, thanks for voting. :D
 
3:57 PM
@Lafexlos Ooops, first time here :) Thanks.
 
@Lafexlos Technically, it's not feedback about success or failure. =p
Only about participation
 
Yeap. I realized that after I posted. Just assumed it would work on "participation" as same way. :D
 
Not if it's occasional I guess
 
You were wrong. Please go to the corner right there ---------------------------^ and repeat 100 times "I love Closey. Closey is my master."
 
Anyway, gotta go. Off from work. Good evening everybody.
 
4:01 PM
But the corner
 
@Tunaki speaking of Closey, the server has been fixed, so Closey is coming back soon
 
When I am back tomorrow, will do.
 
Cya @Lafexlos \o
 
@Tunaki I must admit I'm starting to doubt the strength of our one Goddess
 
@gunr2171 thank goodness
 
4:02 PM
@Lafexlos Ah that's reassuring
Cya o/
 
@KevinGuan Well... I have no idea. xD
 
@ProgramFOX For me: abusive it is.
 
I'd probably say abusive, but it's not my job to set flag policies anyway.
 
@Tunaki Abusive does seem sensible. Same effect as spam flags, allows us to destroy garbage, but without noise for the spam filters
 
Check out the meta post, there is great confusion among moderators some like spam some like abusive..., some accept all... less chance of getting denied seems abusive... if you do not like to get denied at all use NAA
 
4:05 PM
I won't flag that as NAA.
 
@PetterFriberg What's infuriating is getting declined flags over garbage posts which are deleted anyway. What's bad is that flagging as spam does make noise for the spam filter. Flagging as NAA does not allow quick obliteration. Abusive seems fine, so while we have to find a way not to get declined flags or rot the system over such garbage and agree on something, might as well be this.
 
I'm going for abusive (no fear I don't even get infuriated!!). What is surprising to me is the confusion... I would also accept if mods tell us, hey flag NAA so we do not need to handle this let the que handle it...
NOTICE: This is only valid for posters with 1 rep (established posters you need to flag NAA)
 
Agree with Petter. I don't mind flagging as abusive. What I do mind is the inconsistency.
 
@PetterFriberg Meh, I don't want the queue to handle it, it's a waste of resources. We just want it to go boom. garbage does not need reviews, it needs explosive death.
@PetterFriberg Yeah, cat-on-keyboard issue. It's fairly rare though.
 
There a lot of cats and a lot of keyboard. So there is probably a lot of cats on keyboards :p
 
4:11 PM
Yeah but you only get denied if the mods need to handle it : )
The notice was for people reading this chat, not discussing (it seemed in text that you always do it, I just wanted to be clear....)
 
@PetterFriberg ... Lol. Nice. Didn't think about that. Still though x)
 
By the way. @Drew, on NATO?
Anyone reviewing the new poo page?
 
There is not much more we can do meta (2 mods), ping 2-3 mods in chat.... lets just wave the flag and see what happens...
 
Also, asking for an off-site resource.
 
@Kyll reading this twice, seems like the mod resource is less important then the 1K-2K que resource (in que) LOL
but I get what you mean, if we manage here, we handle it
 
@PetterFriberg Meh, that could be debated. I'm more concerned about garbage sitting around.
@Yam Yeaaaaah nope. Not at all.
 
@Yam Yeaaaaah nope. Not at all.
 
It's still dayyum broad.
 
@Tunaki Knew you were waiting for the end of my two minutes. Sneaky one.
 
[citation needed]
 
@TylerH Maybe I also should start writing meta posts when OP deletes the question before I can answer it :P
 
@TylerH Scary
I really think posts should be locked before being discussed on Meta
 
guy got 600 rep from that and probably will get more
 
@Jal you mentioned that other post for prolly something fishy been going on, now what about this one? stackoverflow.com/questions/35622609/… +2 and *5, while it's nothing extraordinary to my eyes :o Don't DV it, just mentioning for similarity @JAL
 
not to mention a gold badge and some others
 
@tylerh wakes up from lurking He's just a lucky guy. I feel more sorry for the dude who got obvious anger downvotes. Luckily it has since stabilized.
 
This whole Q is non-sense. The OP is saying the highly-upvoted answer by Meta effect is dead wrong, and his answer is right, which of course is highly downvoted by Meta effect.
And I'm pretty sure that all the Meta-effect voters have NO IDEA what they're reading.
 
(I meant the question, I hadn't noticed he had self-answered since then).
 
@Tunaki I've already flagged the answers for moderator attention for this very reason
(well, I flagged one of the answers)
 
@Tunaki I would star that but I do not want another argue about this : )
 
4:39 PM
@Tunaki I read, didn't vote on anything. No idea what this is all about ^^ The OP did get a fair share of rep too
 
@PetterFriberg you're free to refrain from any argument you wish ;-P
 
It can swing both ways when you bring it to meta
 
Thanks, was intending public....
 
@Kyll Yep me too, I have no idea what they're discussing about. But at least I'm giving the OP benefit: he's saying in good English that the other answer is incorrect.
 
@Tunaki he also did a pretty underhanded thing so I'm not inclined to take him at his word
 
4:41 PM
Ok
Nite fellow CV'ers! Dream about getting rene'd!
 
lol
 
anyway I didn't vote on that answer because it would've been a wasted upvote anyway even if it were deserved
guy's already hit the rep cap for the day (and yesterday, and the day before...)
 
It would be damn incredible if all the FBX experts in the world just happened to stumble that answer and vote.
 
@kayess That sounds nasty. I will! Bonne nuit =D
 
sort of on NATO
 
4:43 PM
And I'm pretty sure there aren't a lot of FBX expert out there...
 
JAL
@kayess interesting, I'm late but it was closed pretty quick
 
well fbx is just an autodesk modeling format
 
JAL
i'll never understand how people vote...
 
there are tens of thousands of professional autodesk modelers out there
 
@jal easy, you click on one of two arrows
 
4:44 PM
but I doubt 150 of them descended upon this answer to upvote it all at once
especially considering its applications in programming are very limited
 
@JAL start by searching for your lost keys...
 
I'll say it again
12 mins ago, by Tunaki
I really think posts should be locked before being discussed on Meta
 
Doesn't it depends on the topic?
Maybe if it is about unjustified moderation, yes
 
@Tunaki The sheep effect kind of... how do you say "écoeurer"?
 
You just said it
 
4:48 PM
@Tunaki You may be right, but in this case the post was deleted before being discussed and then brought back from the dead while being discussed :)
 
I would extend to every questions tagged and
 
@rene In English.
I wondered if Tunaki got a nice translation
 
Don't look at me ...
@Tunaki Hmm, OK. So we can lock down every single question on main by creating a post on meta with those tags, cool.
 
@rene Nah, Tuna didn't mean that. He means that we need a mechanism to stop the Meta effect
 
Yeah, I know, I'm slightly trolling
 
4:51 PM
And you answered me before I could post my own troll. Damnit.
 
You're welcome
 
I wonder how effective non-participation links would be. Reddit has np.reddit.com which at least forces people to manually change the URL to vote-brigade
 
@CollinD and @Tunaki Still feels wrong to try and prevent a community of so-called professionals to go all sheepy in such a way
 
@rene Yep... By wanting to do something nice, you make it open for abuse...
 
relevant idea already suggested: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/269191/…
 
4:53 PM
@kyll Agreed :\
 
@gunr2171 Ha, nice, thanks.
 
I don't think an NP link would be any kind of deterrent to technically inclined people on a mission.
 
@CollinD Also, this could be achieved with screenshots, no?
 
Sure, people could still search for the content or title and downvote it, but since there's one more step and a sheep is lazy...
 
4:55 PM
It basically relies on a little bit of apathy which might be enough for a significant number of people
 
Perhaps put the STOP! LOOK! LISTEN! page in between, that seems to scare people away :)
 
Can confirm, np links are a fantastic resource. It's like a "keep off the grass" sign, or a waist-high fence.
 
@PetterFriberg about your idea from last night: I really would like to have this as FAQ on meta.so so that we can self edit our process/existence in there. (cc @gunr2171 @Sam @nat )
 
@mech But how did the sign get on the grass?!
 
Helicopter
 
4:57 PM
@Kyll Magic, obviously
 
Oh right. Didn't know @TinyGiant also took care of "Keep off the grass" signs.
 
@rene what would be different between MSE's and MSO's versions?
 
@rene I know we tried that once with the sandbox and it was shot down pretty hard. I don't know how meta would react to duplicating it to make it easier for users.
 
@NathanOliver Haha yeah I remember that. My meta rep went way down.
Good thing there's no such thing as a meta rep.
 

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