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Rob
9:35 AM
Does anyone remember the name of the script that adds the 'timeline' link?
Can't find it in the github repo github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/UserScripts
 
Rob
It put the text next to close/edit etc
 
9:50 AM
Would anyone close this as no longer reproduceable? Something else? leave it?
 
@rene That comment about the pull request should be an answer. Nothing else to do I think, no need to close it.
 
sure
 
Thx
 
!!/test No answerjkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
I think there's a rep limit for smokey stackoverflow.com/a/41377077/4099593
 
10:02 AM
@BhargavRao It was deleted 22 seconds after posting, maybe not enough time for the bot to have picked it up?
 
Then just a bad sockey. :/
 
10:17 AM
@SotiriosDelimanolis both closed
@rene :(
 
@Tunaki yay, you're back!
 
@Tunaki Tuna is dead and we had to find a replacement Tuna. The new Tuna is stronger.
 
Do answers which provide links to resources on questions which are requests for resources qualify as NAA? And yes I am of course aware that those types of questions aren't allowed; just attempting to figure out if I should flag or not.
 
10:33 AM
@Daedalus Nah
Just close the question
 
Alright
 
There is a mysqlupdate tag (stackoverflow.com/edit-tag-wiki/116729) that seems unnecessary. There is no guidance what questions to tag with this, only a few questions are tagged (sy seems to be removing them anyway) and there is a general puprpose sql-update tag for update statements. This tag seems to be a good candidate for deletion. What do you guys think about it?
 
.. let me just erase my post now
 
11:30 AM
It's a bit scary to know that a clueless person like that is writing bank integration software
 
@Stijn I think somewhere in 2007/2008 we learned that banks are no longer the trustworthy institutes we believed them to be ... you just hit the tip of the iceberg ...
 
user1593881
In which category does the give me teh codez actually belong to?
 
user1593881
Too broad, unclear or off-topic? The question I am referring to is this one.
 
I VtC'ed as Too Broad.
 
Questions aren't off-topic just for being a "give me teh codez" question
They can be, but not for that reason
 
user1593881
11:44 AM
@Glorfindel Yes, I thought that too but flagged it as unclear.
 
@Louis I don't see how that question asks for an off-site resource?
Unless ./manage.py is a command to a package manager to install a certain package
 
@Stijn ./manage.py is the command with which to manage a Django server. The examples given by the user are all subcommands that become available after you install their respective packages. So this is essentially asking "which package should I use".
 
@Louis OK, thanks for clarifying
 
user1593881
May I ask why was my comment removed from this SO question?
 
You may ask, but it's not likely we can answer it. It might be flagged and removed by a moderator.
 
11:57 AM
@RawN Most of us here can only speculate. Only a moderator would have possibly enough information to give you a "why" but please don't ping them for this.
 
user1593881
Ok.
 
> @muglikar SO is not code writing service. Your question will probably be closed. – Raw N 16 mins ago
This one?
 
user1593881
The very same
 
@RawN Your comment offers no help, no constructive criticism. Also, OP never asked anyone to write their code for them.
 
user1593881
@MadaraUchiha Correctly if I am wrong but isn't that exactly what the OP is doing?
 
12:01 PM
@RawN He wants advice on how to do it himself.
Which is still an off-topic question for Stack Overflow
 
He's asking for guidelines, which is off-topic, but that's different from 'gimme teh codez'.
 
But he's not looking for a code writing service, and suggesting he is is insulting to him.
 
user1593881
For the record, one of OP's now removed comments was *don't downvote me mind your own business".
 
@RawN Indeed. I can see that one too.
 
user1593881
But nvm, thanks for clarification.
 
12:05 PM
That doesn't add merit to your comment however.
 
@RawN I'm not sure why you bring this up. Another user's rude or unconstructive comments do not justify leaving a rude or unconstructive comment of our own. (For rudeness, it has to become pervasive to result in a penalty.)
 
user1593881
True
 
user1593881
Well thanks everyone for the help.
 
no problem
 
@BhargavRao Why are you reporting when you can just nuke? 😛
 
12:10 PM
To give smokey some valuable data
 
12:29 PM
@BhargavRao Smokey has learning algorithms?
Or are they preprogrammed rules?
 
Not sure about the working of smokey, But it looks like the makers of smokey will look into the manually reported posts and then try to incorporate other filters.
So providing them some data would be beneficial. Apart from that, Given that SE is looking into Smokey as well, It's nice for them to have more true negatives (or false negatives, Whatever the manual reports are called as.).
 
1:08 PM
@BhargavRao Probably a false negative (where SD didn't think it reportable). SD has false positive reporting "sd fp"
 
@Stijn ah, you started the burn of
 
@rene just a couple
I couldn't be bothered to edit the question body of other questions
 
You can also have several versions of support:
 
ah good to know that exists, can replace one of the support-tagged questions
 
And if you have customers you have
 
1:21 PM
@Machavity Yeah, I'm still not aware of the proper ML term for it as there's some confusion with respect to True Negative and False Negative. (I've thought of writing a mail to Andrew NG, but have not found time).
 
1:49 PM
hi
i want to know why i get down vote on this question
 
@AndroidDev please read the FAQ before posting here.
 
Plop!
 
JAL
plop
 
2:07 PM
@JAL It's been edited out by OP.
 
JAL
thanks, missed that
 
@JAL \o
 
JAL
hey
 
 
2 hours later…
4:06 PM
@Tunaki thank you
 
4:27 PM
Hello, I am still alive!
 
@Compass That's good. Were you in mortal danger?
 
I had food poisoning. =w=
It wasn't deathly food poisoning, but it wasn't pretty.
 
@Compass Glad you're alive. There's one time I thought I had food poisoning.... it was a heart attack. (20 years ago. I have a genetic condition causing hypercholesterolemia.)
 
@Compass done that with sea food - and no - it's not pleasant at all :( Glad you're feeling better though
 
4:59 PM
Is a question asking "Am I doing it right" POB?
 
Sorry, depends...
 
that ^
 
@JarrodRoberson Might want to use [del-pls], since DV can also mean downvote
 
I wouldn't say so, @Machavity (POB)
 
K. Will just leave it. Thanks
 
5:02 PM
yeah not necessarily POB
 
This request can be trashed. Q was edited enough to make it okay.
 
@Shadow you have a space in your tag markup
 
@rene thanks, corrected it
 
\o/
 
I hammered it so you can remove it now, @rene :P
 
 
@rene I think that's an all-time record, per conversations a while back. I think 65 was the previous best. Of course, half the ROs are out on break
 
@Machavity slackers!
 
@Machavity well, there are so much environmental influences at play here that I don't think this would be a good candidate for the Guinness Book of World records
 
5:28 PM
@rene number of messages moved to the socvr graveyard in one go? :-P
I have a feeling we would have a monopoly on that
 
I think I should grind up my final k already...
 
@JanDvorak then you'll have another 5k to go to get access to the google analytics!
 
Oh, hi, Tyler. The smokey team and I have decided you should learn Cobol. chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/11540?m=34404720#34404720
 
Then you can become a Lord of Kobol.
 
@JanDvorak I don't see any such thing in that transcript, did you link the wrong location?
I do agree with Undo's plan though
which is "nuke the spam before users see it"
but I'm sad that you got so obsessed with one inconsequential, misinterpreted fragment of my MSE answer that you took it to two whole chatrooms and complained about it for hours
 
5:39 PM
Yep, that was always a part of the plan
The "nuke the spam before users see it" was, I mean
 
I figured
since you entered that line a split second after I entered my long one
 
@JanDvorak complaining for hours? You plan that behavior? I assumed it came natural.
 
Nope, that part came naturally
 
@JanDvorak Also at no point did I say Smokey was inconsequential
 
I thought that's what you meant by "hobby". Sorry.
 
5:46 PM
no I meant it's a hobby bot, as in its maintainers do so in their free time, without compensation
> noun: hobby; plural noun: hobbies

1.
an activity done regularly in one's leisure time for pleasure.
secondarily and importantly, that it was not an official part of SE/SO codebase (yet)
The SOCVR team is also a hobby
other site users are not expected to abide by SOCVR procedures or habits (unless they come here and participate)
 
@TylerH WUT? Get real!
 
Yep, that's a better interpretation than I imagined, thanks.
 
@TylerH nice
 
@rene Sorry, I'm i
sometimes people call me a square, sometimes they call me the negative one
when I combine a square with a negative one, I'm left with i
I'm really trying here with this joke, but I have a feeling it's a tough crowd
 
@TylerH meh, we love you anyway
what is he talking about...
 
5:50 PM
@rene just nod and smile
 
you know, i is an imaginary number
you said get real...
 
nods, smiles
 
oy vey
 
math puns are irrational
 
anyway @JanDvorak I know Visual BASIC which is basically (no pun intended, believe it or not) just a more complicated FORTRAN
 
5:53 PM
I imagine a legion of FORTRAN programmers coming after you with pitchforks and torches after being told that their language is merely a stripped down version of BASIC. :)
 
let 'em come
they're all using walkers and wheelchairs anyway
I can outrun them
 
A legion of three.
 
@Yam we are almost there... I got him to at least post his JavaScript by now
 
6:36 PM
@FOX9000 not so sure on that one
 
hmmm
 
can't tell if it's an API or just a game/application
 
6:49 PM
Okay, I think I'm more or less done with this one. Unfortunately he's mostly out of the "my question sucks, how do I ask a good one" territory, or at least I've helped up to my limit of patience. He should be able to google for the rest of his issues, or hopefully ask a different question.
 
wow what a comment section on that one @TylerH I applaud your patience
 
@PatrickParker I felt very empathetic today
Even though the question has two reopen votes, I don't expect it to get reopened. If it does, it'll probably just get closed again because he doesn't have an attempt at a call function in his XSL Template written yet, I don't think
but that is something I'm 95% sure he can find from Google
I mostly just want to make sure he doesn't leave with a bad taste in his mouth after a poor communication attempt w/ other comments. That kind of snowballed into helping him fix little things
 
does anyone agree that this should be reopened? stackoverflow.com/questions/41383809/…
 
It doesn't help he's trying to write JavaScript in an XML class he's taking at an online university as an adult...
@PatrickParker not sure, I'd ask @SotiriosDelimanolis since he dupe hammered it
 
He did
I pointed him here
 
7:02 PM
ah
 
Just a quick survey before I start writing this meta question, does anyone think it would be appropriate to give a feature request for "red" penalties for spam and plagiarism in Documentation? I'm not sure if it's too soon, or if it's about time there were automated penalties in place.
 
ah, just finished reading the FAQ. "Do not request action on a post that you have asked or answered." Technically I didn't request an action but sorry for any offense caused.
 
Well, that only goes for the regulars here
 
@PatrickParker no worries. If you're new to the room it's normal to goof on rules once or twice. We actually have a ritual here to do it daily just to get on @rene's nerves 0:-)
 
You are kind of the victim of one our regulars
@PatrickParker I'm not a java guy but I think get were it differs from the original dupe. I gave it an re-open vote, so it sits clearly now in the re-open queue. Let's wait if others agree with me
 
7:11 PM
thanks, @rene we'll see where it goes. cya
 
@Machavity Just dupe it of a fibonacci canonical, in whatever language
well, too late now but that's what I usually do
 
I'm not sure if my above comment was off-topic for this room, or if it's just that nobody has an opinion
 
Don't feel that I am qualified to offer an opinion.
 
@4castle What's a "red penalty"??
 
@Louis I'm referring to how "spam" and "rude/abusive" flags are red on the Q&A, because they have additional penalties such as question bans.
The feature request is to bring documentation bans to the "vandalism" and "copied content" rejection reasons on Docs.
 
7:27 PM
@4castle Sounds reasonable to have such mechanisms there too. (That's assuming that Documentation is a good idea and should survive.)
 
It isn't and it shouldn't
 
Are there any metrics for how often Documentation is referenced?
 
@Louis Agreed, I'm not a fan of Docs either. I'm just asking because spam and plagiarism seem to have come up more often recently in Docs
Ok, I'll make a feature request. Please excuse my diversion
 
@Reimeus same link
 
7:40 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis Oops, try stackoverflow.com/questions/41380663/…
 
7:51 PM
@PraveenKumar High five
 
@4castle :D
 
I didn't like πάνταῥεῖ's drunken spree either, @YvetteColomb
 
user4639281
The offender has been chat banned for 29 days
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant ah good!
 
29 days? That's excessive
 
user4639281
Do you realize how often they are banned?
 
8:12 PM
I don't
 
user4639281
I happens quite regularly
 
oh.
 
@YvetteColomb \o/
 
user3956566
@JanDvorak yeh, people need to learn to not drink and type hey
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg hi :)
 
8:13 PM
wow 29 days that is a lot
@YvetteColomb hey
 
user3956566
@ColdFire hi :)
 
Maybe it would have been better to just ignore the first message, and the others wouldn't have happened.
 
user4639281
@ColdFire Don't drink and type, then you never have to experience it.
 
@JanDvorak perhaps... or it might have spurred worse
 
8:16 PM
A more resounding stop that non-sense would maybe have postponed what was to happen.
 
user4639281
^ that
 
user4639281
Also, I should be on more regularly at night
 
@TinyGiant i have never been banned and i dont think so i will be in future
 
I regret not making a "stop that nonsense" comment yesterday. There seemed to be some people who were okay with it, and I didn't know what to do so I just stayed quiet. In the future I'll definitely be more vocal
2
 
@rene Was stated by several people. Not in explicit terms, but in a "Dude, you need to dial it back" way
Nobody wants to see a chat ban for a regular
And then he-who-shows-up-when-named came in
 
8:22 PM
Yeah, it was to happen
 
I didn't expect 29 days to happen, though
 
user3956566
@rene yeh thanks rene. I didn't realise it had already been dealt with, I woke up to that ping.
 
They had like 20 flags in 30 mins. That's going to get you something bad
 
She
 
yeah 29 days wasnt something i was expecting
@Machavity lol the edit
 
8:24 PM
"They" xD
 
user3956566
"he who shows up when named" has been in before over same user, so probably wasn't impressed either.
 
I'm okay with a gender-neutral "he". I was just filling in information.
 
user3956566
@JanDvorak it's a he, he told me lol
 
^
@YvetteColomb i was thinking the same thing
 
Wait, really? My whole world is ... I mean, my perception him is shattered.
 
8:26 PM
When an RO had been in the room we could have started with kicking. But I always hoped our insane rulez would keep people on track
 
Should we have more ROs?
 
@Machavity yeah, you can only do so much in an online setting.
 
naah i think people need to behave that's it
 
@JanDvorak 24/7 Kindergarten, yeah
 
@TinyGiant Btw, it's not just a chat ban. It's a full-site ban
 
8:30 PM
WAT
 
@4castle you can always call out regulars here on behavior. Worst that can happen is that people disagree. But at least it is in the transcript and the RO"s can review and come-up with new guidance. We don't kick people from the room because they have an opinion.
If we did this frigging room would be empty
 
I just did not feel it was my place to call out a regular, particularly after he had pinged me for an earlier comment.
But as someone who was present for much of it, I feel some responsibility for not stepping up.
 
Yeah, I understand that. Don't worry to much about it. We'll have about 30 days to work this out.
 
I posted my feature request meta.stackoverflow.com/q/340534/5743988
 
You need more bots, to keep people busy : )
 
8:39 PM
lol petter
bot is the solution to all problems
 
Until the bots replace the people.
 
If they do, it will only be for the better.
 
sorry... I try not to be political in places where it is not appropriate
 
@MikelF We're still working on an all-bot solution
 
@MikelF prepare to be pitchforked!
 
8:45 PM
@TylerH The FORTRAN programmers are still using them
 
they even invented fork bombs
 
@rene that's just, like, your opinion, man
@MikelF they use them to help stand up
hey @4castle just noticed we have nearly the exact same rep
neat
 
@TylerH yeah, you have a problem with that?
 
:D
 
8:51 PM
@TylerH Haha, nice! And thanks for the edit
 
Note to self: disable autoplay before opening a Youtube link on the Internet
 
@TylerH I should warn you that rene is dressed to defend himself
 
I'm suddenly concerned about what everyone's gender is. "himself" was news to me
 
@4castle It's the problem of not having a gender-neutral pronoun that isn't somewhat insulting... no one likes to be referred to as "it"
well, most people, I assume
some might like it
 
@4castle I wouldn't worry about it. Just keep saying "he" and if someone corrects you, be polite about it. We're not the gender police
Although if Yvette slaps you we will point and laugh at you. Those are the room rules
 
8:58 PM
@Machavity Not just the rules... common sense :)
 
@MikelF we have "they"
 
@4castle the thing is rene is a flower so no human pronouns really apply
so we just go with the classical "he"
@approxiblue they is historically plural
English also has no second-person plural pronoun, unlike every other Indo European language
 
@TylerH it
 
@JanDvorak not a pronoun
that's why in the South we came up with y'all and in Jersey they say YousGuys
 
Wrong. English lacks a second person singular, not a second person plural
 
9:01 PM
@TylerH "it" is a pronoun
 
I vote to revive "thou"
 
thee, thine
 
@Louis I meant personal pronoun and although many people consider it to be one, I don't
at least not in the context of humans
because we are personifying
and so it has been considered rude and dehumanizing for a long long time
 
But then again Flowey's not a human, or even a monster
 
unlike 'he' and 'she' which are only now being classified by members of the lgbt+ community as rude
@JanDvorak you and your are second person singular
 
9:03 PM
@TylerH NYC will fine your business for getting it wrong
 
English proper has no second person plural
 
Nope, they're a vous-form we're stuck with
 
@Machavity NYC also wants to outlaw sugar
@JanDvorak are you confusing French with English?
 
Nope. And thou?
 
seems like you are
 
@Machavity it's kind of like how California law requires you to put that your product causes cancer on the labeling in order to sell it, even though for that product to cause cancer you'd literally have to ingest pounds and pounds of the raw material used to make the product
"This product contains water, which is known in the state of California to cause cancer"
 
@TylerH They sell lead boots for your roof at Home Depot. It has that warning that it can cause cancer...
 
@JanDvorak we're talking about modern English
not dead languages
@Machavity why would someone wear lead boots on their roof
 
Let's switch to Hebrew then. Or Lojban.
 
why would someone wear lead boots period
 
9:07 PM
@TylerH It's a roofing flange. You attach it to your roof. But it's made entirely out of lead. If you ingest it, you'll die. But CA wants you to know that it might also give you cancer...
 
Also, sun and sunscreen. And staying indoors all day.
 
staying indoors all day can lead to autistic children
 
But then again, I've seen worse
 
9:30 PM
@Machavity I was thinking something like cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0332/8901/products/… when you said roof boot
 
I thought it was about boots you put on feet
 
but yes lead is a reasonable one to warn for cancer because in products at per-product amount it can easily cause cancer
lead paint, lead pencils, lead pipes, etc.
 
lead balloon
 
Mythbusters actually made a lead balloon
 
I wouldn't buy a lead flange or bonnet for my roof, though. Cancerous, super heavy... give me aluminum any day
 
9:32 PM
@TylerH exactly. :)
@JanDvorak Why yes they did
 
user4639281
@Machavity Ahh
 
10:16 PM
@PraveenKumar Clearly the correct answer is The Lord of the Rings
 
I vote for Bible
 
user3956566
@JanDvorak as long multi volumed epic?
 
10:34 PM
@MikelF I know right...
@YvetteColomb :D
 
user3956566
well it has a corker of an ending, revelations
 
hmmm... I think I just trod upon someone else's teaching moment
 
11:12 PM
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/340536/… 3 minutes later he deleted it :p
 
@Rizier123 where are my sockpuppets? :)
 
user3956566
so may flags today
 
@YvetteColomb And it's not even June 14th
 
user3956566
@MikelF ? I'm an Aussie, am I supposed to know this date? Is it a flag day?
 
It is flag day... and I had to look it up to get the date, so it's not just an Aussie thing to not know it. :)
 
user3956566
11:24 PM
@MikelF we tend to be aware of our public holidays, people get the day off work and many places are closed.
 
@YvetteColomb We don't get a day off for flag day... I was just aware that it was a thing.
 
user3956566
@QPaysTaxes you're a dag. :)
 
user3956566
@MikelF yeh I thought that, which was why I was saying we are only aware of the days that give us holidays, being a lazy mob lol
 
@YvetteColomb Isn't that what Brad Pitt was giving away in Snatch?
 
user3956566
@MikelF ? haven't seen Snatch
 
11:27 PM
@YvetteColomb I think you are missing out.
 
user3956566
yeh it was like in the 70s, it's changed meaning now to be a term of endearment. Aussies use insults to show affection. We're an odd bunch
 
user3956566
@MikelF I love Brad Pitt, especially 12 monkeys. I will watch it
 
user3956566
@QPaysTaxes yep I know that love. I live here lol
 
user3956566
@QPaysTaxes ikr, you're cute ;)
 
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